The END of PC era....?? | Apple M3 MAX vs Intel
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- How good is the APPLE M3 MAX vs the Intel Desktop CPUs, i5, i7 and i9? ❗SHOCKING❗
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0:00 EVERYONE is wrong!
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2:10 MORE Cores than INTEL?
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like the apple ending xD
Not many people get to that! :)
Donald Duck > Mickey Mouse (unpopular opinion)
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Love it too...😅 😂 🤣
Problem with Apple is the company itself. Sorry but I don't want to buy a Laptop with non-user up-gradable storage. And their Ram and storage upgrade is such a scam.
U can solder it
@@adamiali Yeah, that's the problem
@@RishabhSharma-lq1id😂
So I buy what I need up front. The real problem is no repairability. And Apple's notorious declaration of "liquid damage" on anything they don't want to cover under warranty. I am not in a financial position to buy a multi thousand dollar crap shoot with no third party recourse if the OEM company decides to live down to their bad reputation and screw me.
May buy a cheap previous generation if I can find it and run it till it dies, with external backup. I do like the ability to run on batteries.
exactly
The truth is that an M3 is much slower than an i9 than you claim in normal applications. The problem is that like all UA-camrs you choose video editing as your example of a high end app. Macs have native video apps which is why they are not much slower than i9s running equivalent apps.
Unfortunately for me as an embedded software developer none of the apps that I use are available for Macs. This means that if I was to use a Mac for my work I would need to run Windows versions of apps under Rosetta 2. This means that an M3 Mac would be less than half as fast as an i7 or i9 PC when running my workload.
Intel intended to use TSMC's 3 nm process this year but delayed this plan until next year when TSMC will have a better 3 nm process available with a higher yield. This means that next year Intel (and AMD) will not waste as much electrical power in their computers as they currently do.
This isn’t true just for you, friend. I’m a civil engineer and a Mac is pretty useless to me as none of my working softwares are available for it. It would be useful to me just for watching videos, even playing games is not possible.
These kind of reviews aren’t the reality. But, if the developers of professional softwares of various areas make their software to Macs the story could be different, but we can’t live on a dream land, the reality is that.
Yep, Apple's chips are great, everything else (price, scalability, MacOS), well..... not so much.
@@vision2003 The price is similar to similar windows laptops, yet as you see here you can desktop performance.
I am a video editor, but totally get you. Most video card reviews are about gaming.
@@MichaelGGarrythe price is not even close when you start going into "not a basic model" territory. I'm a developer and I'm currently in store for a new laptop and will be needing 32GB of ram and at least 1TB of storage. A MacBook Pro with these specs is in 3k territory. I can get a 7840u laptop with these specs for 1-1.5k where I live. And yes M2 is better than 7840u, no questions there, bot not worth 2-3x the money imho.
There's a few apps I use that are Windows only, but even for stuff like Blender or Stable Diffusion, the Apple chips are not there yet. Not all 'creators' are video editors ;)
100% agree with you, I just had to lean one way to make a point ;)
I bet M4 will be mainly focused on an npu
Blender performance has drastically improved with the M3 family, especially thanks to RT acceleration
Also some creators are music producers and these chips are insanely good for music production too. Especially on the go!
the fact that you have to compare a full desktop vs a laptop makes the laptop a winner no matter what
Facilities of desktop-
1> update or change dmage cpu
2> update ram
3> update storage
4> update cpu cooler
5> update GPU
6> more io ports
7> multiple ssd or storage drivers
8> add external network card
9> change damaged motherboard
10> can use many operating systems
+ Secure RAID setups
+ Large monitor if doing serious graphic video work. You're not carrying that around with a laptop.
+ Surround or Audiophile speaker setup for audio work, or great gaming!
+ Connection to scanners etc
+ Flight simulator or other gaming setups.
Sure, laptops have their place, but high end money is best spent on a PC station setup. Buy a money efficient PC laptop for portable work.
@@Paul_Rohde Desktops are cool but how is large monitor a plus for desktop over laptop? It's super common to plug a macbook into a large display.
@@definingslawek4731 Sure. But for many budgets, a large monitor (even high a fps one) and desktop will still be cheaper/obtainable than a good laptop. Your said display is stationary in a set position taking up a space. It's not being carried around with the laptop. And then when the monitor is in use, the laptop screen is in the way, unless the monitor is high. (plus there's no numpad, for alt-code entries, plugging all accessories, and all the other things mentioned like RAID ...) But if a laptop is a must for you, go for it.
The only thing Apple really did was making these new Macs really good for video editing, actual leaps and bound on what a Windows PC could do. Guess what? The majority of UA-cam influencers do that on their daily basis, so all you can hear are good things about these Macs. Clever Apple!
Now check out the reviews showing things like code compilation which is also stellar.
I’m a software engineer. I appreciate the power efficiency I get out my 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro. These machines are not just for video editing, lmao.
Windows is trash for development that you need WSL… because the internet runs on Linux.
Everyone’s use case is going to be different. I have a PC specifically for gaming. If we are being honest, when games are developed, the concept of it running well on macOS is never a consideration simply due to market share.
You do realize that MANY channels are testing for coding or music production *only*?
@@user-ns7yu8us4e The only kind of software development that is not trash on Windows is game development, and it turns out that the overwhelming majority of dev work is not in gaming.
@@Longlius windows + linux still far superior than mac..the only advantages on mac is audio core (DAW ) ProRes codec....development linux still far way ahead from mac.....overpriced machine.... soldered RAAM CPU GPU SSD..when system bricked ....say goodbye to your 4k machine + data
I really like my 13700k for my office pc. It is awesome at multitasking. It never stalls no matter what I throw at it. I can cpu mine on the P-cores and the E-cores handle the browser. I can even play old games like Batman Arkham Asylum on the E-cores and Intel 770 igpu at 1440p/ highest settings with a locked 60fps while cpu mining.
I really like my M2 MacBook Air for my office computer. It is awesome at multitasking. It never stalls no matter what I throw at it. I can CPU-mine on the P-cores and the E-cores handle the browser. I can even play old games like Batman Arkham Asylum on the E-cores and the M2 iGPU at 1440p/ highest settings with a locked 60fps while CPU mining and that's running an x86 binary of the game through Rosetta under Steam, while giving me all-day battery life.
The magic of Apple Silicon is it gives you equivalent performance to a decent Intel desktop CPU while consuming 1/10th the wattage. That's what's game-changing about them. If all you care is peformance regardless of power consumption, heat output, fan noise and battery life, then sure, Intel's perfectly fine.
@@little_fluffy_clouds Most people don't care about heat though but the battery life improvements is where the real merit is. However, for a desktop set up power consumption is not really a concern that is top of mind for most people at that point they care about raw performance with the only consideration being the heat and that's only because they want to be able to maintain peak performance and not worry about being thermal throttled.
That being said, for my workloads any ARM based chip is going to be a issue, especially since my workflow relys on Windows which doesn't handle ARM based SoCs well like Mac OS does
@@dennisp8520 Came from a 12900K and gtx3080ti. I still grab my power brick and take it to on location gigs because I'm so used to having to have a charger with my pc laptops. It's a game changer to have a single computer (vs desktop and laptop) for all my needs. Everyone's mileage may vary and everyone has a different use case, but I'm so glad I switched. It's insane the amount of work I can get done no matter where I am!
@@little_fluffy_cloudsI’ll enjoy upgrading ram and as many hardives as I choose for the future on my i7 desktop 😏
I'll never get tired of commenting how this channel always sees the right perspective of hardware, really ultra impressed to find out we have a portable chip by apple that performs on battery as impressive as a high end desktop i7/ i9 , what a journey.
It's basically RISC vs CISC architecture, period.
Exactly 🎉
Its really mind boggling to carry all that powerful machine in a backpack , that you can take anywhere. Take it out and start working instantly.
Yep, that's insane!
I got a MacBook - MacOS is so clean, looks beautiful, hardly there are bugs. It's also fast and runs on battery.
I won't get another one unless I have too much money as this can't be repaired only 1 year warranty. You can't upgrade RAM and Storage.
Almost All PC components have 3-4 years warranty and even if something goes wrong change it.
the cost of building a similarly performance PC as the M3 max is half it's cost.
Crashes 2-3 times a month? What are you running, even my most unreliable linux machine has an uptime of about 2 weeks, and my gaming windows machine has an uptime of 1 month.
@@lophilip Premier Pro + After effects with lots of plugins
The solution to that stability problem is simply a tiny dualboot partition of a debian based linux distro like pop!, if you get the hibernation properly settled up you can easily switch between windows and the linux boot and ext3/4 and NTFS are interoperable(natively by linux and thanks to 3rd party ones in windows)
"the cost of building a similarly performance PC as the M3 max is half it's cost" - did you even watch the video?
"I won't get another one unless I have too much money as this can't be repaired only 1 year warranty" - which you can pay to extend, even then Apple have repaired my machines in the past outside of warranty for free multiple times.
Really great comparison! I had looking for such video after m3 is arriving, thank you!
And you are fully right, end user doesn't care about CISC architecture or RISC architecture, he just needs to finish his tasks in the most effective way.
Glad it was helpful!
I wouldn't by another Apple product even if it was twice as fast.
What bad experience did you have? Just curious as a PC user
Facts. Until they get their crap together and stop being the ultimate anti consumer company I couldn't care less
I checked for M3 Max prices with low effort and my disappointment is immeasurable. 😉
The way things are, for some people this whole efficiency advantage will not make sense. I am very sorry.
Same here. They make products that would benefit massively from existing in pro-consumer setups, but Apple is notoriously anti-consumer. I will never shill for them.
For me they are the worst platform to game on
4k dollars for a thermally throttling laptop with notorious repair issues and shady (aka often illegal when brought to court) business and support practices
or
3k dollars for an entire top-spec desktop that never thermal throttles, can work for days, and if anything breaks I can fix it with a hammer or have it serviced by a local repair shop
There is no such thing as a bad product, only bad pricing. And Apple are still behind because of this, when it comes to broad market appeal. And I make no mistake in recognizing this is fully intentional on their part. They have already saturated as much as their production pipeline can support, they don't benefit on compromising on margins to reach more customers.
Then there's all the other things the mac ecosystem can't handle, proprietary software systems, general driver support for various fields of work, etc. It's simply a far more limited platform that granted works very well if you buy into their whole ecosystem, but then you're also paying 30-40% more on every single item you use, which quickly ramps up over time. Plus when my desktop PC starts to fall behind the curve, I can swap out a select number of components and be back at the top of the charts. Not possible with Mac products, even their desktop systems are end-of-road purchases that have to be fully renewed every 4 years or so to keep up with what's out there.
Don't get me wrong, what Apple is doing is amazing. They have some world class engineers and implementations that Intel and AMD can't beat one-to-one. But that is only relevant, if the products are available in the first place. And at Apple prices, that just isn't the case for many people unless you very specifically work with the fields where their products excel and you never need to branch out.
Best comment here and I'm with you on this 100%!!
Unless you are willing to sell a kidney to get an Apple, they are not worth it.
"4k dollars for a thermally throttling laptop with notorious repair issues and shady (aka often illegal when brought to court) business and support practices"
What throttling? Did you watch the video?
Notorious repair issues? On the M series? Where? What? When?
Apple support ranks among the best in the industry.
"3k dollars for an entire top-spec desktop that never thermal throttles, can work for days"
Dubious claim alert.....
@@MichaelGGarry "Apple support ranks among the best in the industry" oh god this innocent soul doesn't even know. May you stay eternally blisfully unknowing of the world context around you.
Honestly a bit excited for more efficient components. Maybe this will lead to some competition & make it happen. ^^
But why compare it to the notorious efficiency worst case? AMD is the technology leader for CPUs
This is precisely why I went for the Ryzen 7900 (non X). It's crazy efficient, and cool.@@Xul
AMD vs M3 MAX is coming out soon! :) @@Xul
@@theTechNotice Nice! I also would like to see GPU compute comparisons! I know you focus on video content creations but I would love to see it in other work related tasks. Also gotta take into account that the m3 as a node advantage.
Truck with cash is reversing into your drive 😂
I was waiting on the edge of my seat for DaVinci Resolve comparisons :/ Do you have any idea of how the M3 stacks up in davinci?
Intel's power consumption is high because it's using Intel 7 which is TSMC 7nm based while M3 series are TSMC 3nm based. That's a huge, huge, huge difference. Apple is using several generation advanced chip. Not surprising.
now lunar lake is coming with 3nm and m4 on ipad consumes upto 30w peak lol
Thanks for the work you are doing on comparing systems cross platoform. Very educational and entertaining. One thing I have yet to see anywhere on youtube is comparison of MP4 encode quality on PC vs MAC on low bitrates. Low bitrates as used in streaming 4-10Mbps. I did some tests I would take output of even dated Quadro P200 any day over what is on the output of M series hardware encoders. Speed is only part of the deal, the quality is another one.
We do understand what these resultas mean. We get 20% less performance, for a third of the price. Have a great day.
Blud pays the rest in energy bills 💀
@@Crazyblox Assuming you're constantly running the PC flat out, which is unlikely, it would still take a long time, even at current electricity prices. I also doubt the GPU is being run at max TDP during a Premiere render. It would be interesting to know how much effect the GPU has for Premiere exports - would an RTX3060Ti give broadly similar results?
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@@Crazybloxprovide PROOF,instead of more myths....duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Crazy talks out the side of his azz with NO proof from Con Edison nor any other power company. it's a lot of plug ins that tend to max out CPUs, not DAWs themselves not even high track counts. For EFX I use my hardware, Alesis Quadraverb, Ensoniq ASR 10, EmU E6400, etc...16,18 bit efx..I have the gear in my house.. ..@@axi0matic
Can we just take a minute to appreciate this man's effort in making these super in depth videos
Thank you.
nope
The video is as clickbait as this comment
I too, was taken in by this review until I saw other reviewers and then I changed my mind 180 degrees. Apple has developed a great APU, but this Co is outweighed by its many disadvantages.
Why, by deliberately ignoring more efficient, higher core, more productive AMD systems to suit his comparisons.
@@Paul_Rohde Yes indeed. I think some people are stuck on Apple products. And I've been there, but sooner or later you can't lose sight of the facts.
The x86_64 CPUs uses the CISC architecture And arm CPUs uses RISC architecture. If you learn more about this you'll know why x86 tends to pull more power, however if you want to make x86_64 app run on arm CPU then you see a worse result since arm doesn't have the instruction sets needed and the app will use a lot of CPU cycles in order to make it run.
You can't directly compare these two architectures since they are different from each other, unless if intel moved to arm.
If I'm correct, the modern Intel CPUs using the RISC on the low-level as well, but have to simulate CISC on microcode level - for backward compatibility. So the backward compatibility is the real price for less FLOPS/WATT ratio. But, as for consumer, if i don't bother about it and not going to run some outdated software, i can buy Mac and have that better performance per watt (and that not being said about Apple ecosystem between Mac / iPhone./ iCloud - neither Windows or Android can afford such great UX).
@@AlexanderBorshak I don't know about AMD, but intel still uses and maintains the CISC architecture, plus you can't simulate CISC operations bc the risc have about 50-90 instructions in total (maybe apple did add more idk) and if CISC have more than a 1000 instructions
@@alilokhd4638 And as to the "you can't simulate CISC on RISC" - what the reason? For example, lean but still Turing complete language like simplest Asm with about 6 command allow us to implement (i.e. simulate) Haskell language that immeasurably richer and contains myriads of means. So, why we cant simulate more complex arch (CISC) with help of more lean (RISC)?
Keep trying to explain this when people do these comparisons. Apples chips are impressive but comparing architectures is like comparing a car to a truck and saying the car is better because it can travel the same distance using less gas when the point of the truck is being able to carry cargo. The good thing regardless is Apple made it plain that ARM is viable for desktop computing which MS has been pretty terrible at so far.
I guess the architecture doesn't matter when we compare the same things, in this video all the workflows were identical, it's like drag racing a Tesla vs Nissan GTR :)
That comes from a guy who runs PC channel and tells people to buy a PC instead of a MAC 😇
Hey @Tech Notice could you do a video about using an External GPU for laptops and potentially ability for additional RAM for desktop for rendering use
does it run crisis?
The best advantage of using Intel x86 is RGBs. 😅😂😅
The only thing I use my MacBook for is working and traveling for the day. Never have to worry about plugging it in, work Lenovo won't hardly get down the road before needing to charge.
It’s not the end of Pc it’s the end of intel. It would be fun to see how it holds up against an AMD ryzen 9 7950x
And an RTX 4090. It would still be cheaper then the mac at around 3k. You also get way more ram and storage etc. A decked out macbook pro costs $7200!!! A 4090 ryzen 7950x costs like 3k And getting the same ram and storage would be an extra like 1k so 4k vs 7.2k. And the rtx 4090 decimates the macbooks chip. But the macbook is a laptop so it isn't fair... but it still isn't desktop class performance especially with cost.
At this moment Intel CPU’s are better than AMD in video editing.
@@lachlanB323You’re average desktop isn’t a 4090 with a 7950x.
I think we have to escape the notion that the best pc components money can buy.
I’d say the M3 max is faster than 80% of desktops out there.
Most people actually have dated tech and only on UA-cam do people have 4090s and top of the line CPU’s.
You’re paying for the engineering and the rnd that it takes to go into this thing.
You’re right that the Ram and ssd upgrades are rubbish but unfortunately some of us pay into that.
Thats why many of us just use external thunderbolt SSD’s.
the new intel chips out now consumes less energy, much less... with good AI too... so 2024 linux/windows notebooks will be in the run for the battery life game too... also ARM notebooks for linux/windows are a growing market now too... competition is good. :)
@@GlobalWave1 Equally, the typical Mac user has a base MacBook Air, not a $4000 laptop.
If you make money from video editing sure. The Mac is a beast. But for 99% it's not required.
The i9 still beats it.
@@squatch545its a full power desktop cpu vs a portable laptop. Mind you a laptop that can run full performance and still almost meet the performance of a desktop i9. That is sad, intel is obsolete
Thank you for video.
I would happy to how many fps could M3 get in MCFS 2020?
Or how fast M3 chip work with 2TB dataset in ML framework?
I'm a vfx artist and supervisor. I use PC and Macs. My Macbook Pro M3Max 16 40 48gb Blender render classroom 19 seconds, desktop RTX 4090 7 seconds. My m1pro base model took over 3 minutes.
The thing is the software needs to be optimized for Apple Silicon. Blender 4 supports hardware raytracing and that made a huge difference. But I'm happy apple silicon is making huge steps fast.
Doing work unplugged on a mac is so good. A pc laptop dies under 3 hours or less. PC laptops huge bricks is a pain. Macbook usbc charging is sweet and lifesaver at times. I can even use a powerbank .
Apple ecosystem is just great. Continuity, handoff, sidecar airdrop etc. . Not too many mention that Apple software support for all devices are solid and consistent. Macos i like better than the PC mess of UI. Windows 11 hahah.
The speakers on the macbook pros 16. The trackpad and gestures of macs are so smooth. Pcs laptop trackpads gives me anxiety.
I run Windows on Virtual machines for some apps. some apps works some don't for now.
Gaming and 3d on a PC or pc laptop is still best for now mainly because the apps are optimized for GPU and Nvidia. Soon that will change.
Man the hook in this video is top freaking notch! Great stuff.
Yes, come on! Best comment so far!
@@theTechNotice haha well you deserve it man, I always get super inspired by your work, keep it up!
Any plans to check the relative performance of a Meteor Lake laptop or an AMD 780m laptop?
Maybe for fun of it, a Raspberry PIs 4 and 5?
Apple M1 to M3 laptops are fantastic, specially knowing what they can do on battery only.
Now, anyone that follows tech knows that laptops from multiple brands like lenovo, razer or asus are showing much better results than the ones you showed (on a desktop!). So, why and how this compares to a desktop with a i9 and 4090? Are you saying intel laptops are superior to their desktop counterparts?
I use a PC desktop and have a m2 mac book air with final cut pro on it. I can edit 4k footage on the go on a super light and thin laptop with no fans in it and a battery lasts 18 hours. My predator Helios would sound like a jet and melt anything it was on top of and required an outlet nearby cause the battery would die so fast. I pay $60 a month for adobe on my PC and Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro were $200 with a student discount. I own them now and dont have to pay a subscription. Airdrop is amazing and I dont know why Windows cant figure out Bluetooth.
Ever heard of Quick Share? Now Google it.
I use an M1 based iMac every day and the daily power consumption is fairly minimal.
Then my kids come home and they can double or treble the smart meter costs in a couple of hours.
The Apple kit is super efficient and at current electricity costs in the UK, it equates to literally 000’s of GBP per annum!
Great video 👍
100's of pounds? really? I never considered efficiency of computer parts in terms of cost of electricity. Cause even the most power hungry desktop is literally just a light bulb no? And it's only pulling that amount for short amounts of time.
End of PC era? Not really but it does show that x86 will eventually be overtaken by ARM chips.
im happy with my i5 13500 whole d5 setup with uhd 770, for now... good enough for everything, and costs much, much lower than macs
What M3 Max model and specs were you using to compare?
that's great but, at what cost?
How much would M3 Max alone cost against x86 chips?
any i9 build would be still cheaper than a macbook pro right?
Not sure if I understand this. Are you comparing Mac OS laptops vs Windows Intel desktops?
I agree with the anti-apple comments just because I dislike their manufacturing practices. Mac is originally based on Linux, so hardware aside it will be always more efficient. I wish Linux was more supported overall as it runs on any hardware :)
As much I dislike Apple as a company Mac is NOT based on Linux, it is based on BSD.
What about if I go in for a 14 inch m3 max 128 gb? Heard that the throttling is rare even with 8k footage video editing. Have you tested the 14 inch?
Go 16
The 14 will run a lot hotter and throttle. If you want a 14 go Pro, if you want a Max go 16" *unless* you can live with the decreased performance on sustained loads and like the portability.
@@MichaelGGarry I don't want a 16 inch laptop but I'm currently deciding between an m3pro spec and an m3max spec of the 14 inch. Is there any videos you watched specifically that I could watch regarding the throttling and the heat? Cause I've heard the max's are a lot hotter and louder and I'm not sure if I want to deal with that.
Why would you change out the gpu on the export test, while also changing the Mac. Completely invalidated that section of the test.
Yes the power saved translate to cost savings is most compelling.....in Apple's favour
actually wrong lol, the time saved on the MUCH SUPERIOR PC work station translates to more money made
@@najeebshah. Well there are a lot of variables to consider like:
1, From the boss' point of view or the employee
2. Are we talking about one unit or multiple units
3. What is the savings in time over energy cost
4. What is the upgrade path...Apple has none...but then again how often does we upgrade
5. Do you also use it for gaming..I hardly game so I am really cannot commend
What I am truly hoping is Microsoft/Intel/AMD looks into these alternative to save cost like Apple ditched Intel. Wishful thinking I guess. Or Apple looks into providing higher spec for future models. Higher chance of this happening I think.
Unless ur living in a 3rd world country the energy cost is a moot point you wont be saving money in energy costs over time spent the price to performance of apple is horrendous id rather have a Threadripper work station thats 4 to 5 times as fast as a apple work station and has a upgrade path then spending the same amount of money on a work station that you have to upgrade the entire platform every a couple yrs apple is a hipster joke
@@Billyshatner88 even in third world its moot
@@Billyshatner88 Fair enough. For me, I won't switch to Apple because I am too embeded in Wiundows environment. We are talking about cost .... alas...if only....
Yeah, "The END of PC era....??" With the massive choice of configuration and upgrade options from Taiwan, Intel, AMD, nVidia etc against overpriced, non upgradable laptop from A, with planned obsolescence, that in probably two-three years time will develop a minor glitch that you need to shed another pile of cash to replace it. The proof: my SFF desktop that is "older" than my macbook still works, unlike the macbook that one day just decided to retire and die ,couldn't hit even its four year anniversary. NEVER AGAIN ANYTHING FROM APPLE!!! Drop that Apple nonsence and give us another Creator PC build 😀
11:50 is the WHAT makes Apple's Mx chip UNPRECEDENTED in comparison even to the PC desktop chips! THIS IS a REVOLUTION Apple delivered since M1 - INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE PER WATT!👍💪 The only problem of the Apple Macbooks and Macs is their high price for very lame amount + performance of RAM and storage, ports limitation and no possibility of upgrade. Apple would take MUCH BIGGER user base of the PC market if they would improve these aspects and would make Mac also fully compatible with Windows (& Linux) through official multi boot solution and improve porting and provide even more support for crucial and most popular PC apps/games to Mac including Steam.
15:21 is where u made a mistake and mentioned Intel instead of Apple😁And yes, it would be AMAZING to say the least to get Apple M3 Max/Ultra chip uncapped with power draw which goes way over current max of 70 W!
It's really impressive how efficient it is, but i don't know if it means it'll scale with more power. Actually, i think if it did, they would absolutely release a high powered product. It's not like they don't have any competition... Or why they wouldn't?
They have the M2 Ultra which is basically two M2 Maxes fused together. It scales very well in CPU performance and fairly well in GPU performance. They will also do the same with the M3 Ultra
@@TheStopwatchGod That's not just increasing the TDP or scaling with power tho. Video is suggesting it'd be more powerful if they just had a better thermal solution and using more power than just 70W
Adding more cores is really the only way they *can* increase TDP within their business model. The other way would be overclocking, but their whole engineering ethos is kinda opposed to the concept of having end users monkeying about with the firmware.
There are ARM server chips that can eat up to 350w, they aren't clocked faster they have a bunch more cores instead. Comparing say Epyc + Hopper vs Grace + Hopper would be about as apples to apples as you could get right now but I don't think Genoa/Hopper servers are out just yet.
Logically, if it did scale well there would be no need for an Ultra. You could just clock a Max variant to the eyeballs. It would only be used on the desktop, so within reason (and compared to the competition) power consumption wouldn't be important. Realistically though, these chips are highly optimised for the speed they run at, and have very little 'overclocking' potential. This is demonstrated by the fact the Max is no faster in the Studio than in a MacBook, and the Mac Pro's Ultra runs no faster than in the Studio.
There has been a paradigm shift guys from 2020.Comparing x_86 architecture to arm is like comparing a tesla to a Bugatti(Electric vs petrol). Ideally this would be a fair comparison if it was m3max to snapdragon chips since their both arm and we would get to see how did it best. To date amd vs Intel is where it's at but overall it's always great to see how chips fair against each other.
Thanks for this comparison. Impressive results on Apple's side. Remember though, just the cpu upgrade at Apple is $900, sure this includes the gpu too, but its a $2000 upgrade from base. I realize the RTX is over 2000 grand, but is it really necessary for pro apps other than 3D ones?
Were these the 13th gen or 14th gen Intel chips?
2:40 13th
Just can't wait for the upcoming Mac studio M3 Ultra 🥵🥵🫣.
And hoping for a same video like this when it does 🥰
Does the i9 build cost similar to the m3 max?
No the M3 max massively more costly it's 4-6 time more expensive in pure silicon used
A product should be good on its own not because it has been compared to another one.
Apple service and the way it treats it's customers is why I can't go Apple. You just can't trust the quality of the product and they are a pain when it comes to customer service.
Apples customer service is ranked among the best in the industry.
The “Soldered” on SSD and RAM is a “DEAL BREAKER” for ME……What if something BRAKES on the Mac ?…….You have to Recycle the entire thing and can’t recover your Data from the SSD. Because of its over heating it’s not really a good workstation replacement. It’s too “LOCKED DOWN” and could have been a great computer if it was not for the following problems.
fair point!
@@theTechNotice I see apple turning the Mac into a FREE or lease device that requires a subscription to use. It’s apples WAR against hackers and hackintosh
PC / Windows sales are down. Windows is hovering at just under 65% market share...while Mac OS has risen to just over 20%. Chrome OS and LINUX are each under 5%.
Apple's prices are ridiculous though.
No, they aren't. Their prices are very similar to other competing and similar-specced Windows machines, as I have to say every single generation.....(Even Linus from LTT says the same).
@@MichaelGGarry Linus is a joke and going through court cases. Apple SSD prices are the highest in the business.
@@JayzBeerz Their upgrade SSD prices are far too high, agreed. But thats not what you said. Linus is a joke now? Funny how the windows tech crowd revered him like a god for a very long time....
@ 0:57 I though you was going to pull one of the Mr. who’s the boss corny joke segment. 😂😂😂😂😂
Amd threadripper chilling in corner
Competition is awesome. Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc have to innovate. Apple and ARM will force Intel, Snapdragon, Mediatek, and AMD to continue to innovate.
Fascinating… people make review videos for UA-cam showing which computer renders review videos for UA-cam videos, faster. Circular argument.
You really have to be careful comparing Apple hardware. Apple uses specific hardware built into there chips to accelerate certain work loads. So adding more power will not help the way it does with intel, NVIDIA or AMD.
*their
The boxes in the beginning suggests he used 13th gen CPU's. I would have used 14th gen to be more modernly accurate, although we all know 13th vs 14th is a minimal difference.
13900K actually is = 14900K
with additional 200MHz. So it's the latest Intel CPU being tested lol
That would've made Intel even worse since the power draw is even higher and difference smaller ;) have a look at my 14th gen reviews 😇
@@theTechNotice You should always make a reminder going forward that 14th gen is just rebranded Raptor Lake with nothing new to offer except a clock speed pump and a 4+ e cores with i7-14700K 😂😮💨
Keep up the good work!
12c m3pro destroyed my 13900h pulling 130w for the test:
Numpy-multiprocessing Mandelbrot Render.
M3pro: 23.7s
13900h: 55.6s
M3max 16c has no competitor as it's faster than a desktop 13900KS
@@PKperformanceEU would be interesting to see if there’s any additional improvement on cpu using that fancy new ML package Apple just released
I bought a MacBook only for photo and video editing, because my Windows laptop was driving me nuts in the performance with that, and it has been the best decision. So for my 3D work, I keep using my Asus StudioBook but for my photos and videos I use the Mac, which is silent, cold, and faster, and it actually feels like a portable workstation.
The problem is a good spec of the macbook pro costs like $5000. I tried the base m3 pro macbook pro for around $2000, and the pathetic 18gb of ram massively held me back. Also the tiny ssd was so uncomfortable. I sent it back. I'd love to try the 5000 dollar one but it's just so much money.
After watching lots of macbook reviews on UA-cam where the youtubers only emphasize video editing rendering and exporting, I came to the conclusion that mac is only good for video editing but not for everything... and I am not a video editor.
High power limits? No problem. An enthusiast will create their own refrigerator to cool their gaming PC. I think LinusTech has done that in an episode.
Is that the m3 with 400Gb bandwidth?
how does this look like for 14th gen chips which came out just before m3?
Looks even better, have a look at my 14th gen reviews, more power less performance :)
What Apple needs to do is to reconfigure their silicone for AI (parallel processing) tasks to take on Nvidia. It would take apple from a 3 trillion to a 6 trillion dollar company in a snap of a finger.
Yes I’ve been wondering about this! Why are they not pushing through? They made an effort on the m1
oh I did read up on it a bit. You know the difference in training performance is still huge - like 3x - 10x comparing m3 to a nvidia GPU's
buying a whle apple system vs just one gpu doesn't scale as well
@@markbremerkamp6614 .. Everyone (Nvidia, AMD and Intel ) is tripping over themselves to get into the AI game. Too bad an ASI and maybe even an AGI will be our undoing and end.
No mac will ever gonna beat a pc. They dont have a chance 😂😂
Not really an argument
Yet it literally did in this video....
Nice review.Actually regarding consumed power/benchmarks M3 Max is outstanding. Power efficiency of M3 Max is best in industrie.IMHO.
Yes, true
Great info! But only in terms of showing how great laptops/macbooks have gone compared to desktop pcs. Now M3 Max is great but unless someone is willing to invest(for the next 5 years or so) in the Mac OS(fixed M3 Max config) for their creative business this still falls in that Apple trap of no upgradability and kinda just have to 'trust' Macbook reliability or idk be in Apple Care service for however long to cover your bases. Looking forward to your Meteor Lake coverage tho! Not as groundbreaking as M1 chips though it seems. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦
Apple warranty and servicing is top-rated. Not to mention the second hand market is so strong you can easily get a significant percentage of your purchase back in a couple of years to upgrade to the M5 or whatever.
Apple is still way more expensive when you factor in storage cost and many other things. Plus if you ever want to get into gaming at all then you basically just wasted all your money with Apple. Also, does anyone care about power consumption?
Yeah, but price to performance is a huge issue. No human has ever needed his own personal 13900k or M3 Max. They are just overkill.
Keep in mind that when we are talking 16-20 cores and a lot of the benchmarks you see are minimal.
Also I can build a PC with a 13900k in it for less money, and will smoke any Apple PC, and worst case scenario, trade blows.
No human? EH? Are you aware of all the fields people work in that absolutely do need this sort of power?
Remember, at the end of the day absolutely nothing beats raw power. Imagine if you were able to increase the wattage on Apple computers? Would be even better. Until then, nothing beats high-end Windows Desktops when it comes to performance.
PC won't be dying unless gaming itself dies first.
Isn't 13th gen Intel last gen. It's not even as fast as the AMD offerings no?
10:53 letting the Macbook cool down every time before exporting is not very realistic for a full time media creator, though. Once you are done editing, you want to smash the export button like a cockroach because the client has you on speed dial.
Postponing the export by even 2 minutes would cancel all of its performance gained by avoiding throttling.
Nevertheless, it is an impressive mobile workhorse if you have to edit on the go a lot, so Apple deserves our respect here
Putting more power in the Apple M3 MAX does not really make sense. Apple M3 MAX has less resistance than Intel chips. That's why they consume less power. It is not related to the power which is "put" into them.
Apple made two critical mistakes in my opinion:
1. Leaving Intel
2. Appointing Tim Cook as CEO
you should try this again when the snapdragon elite x comes out.
we already know its slower than m3 max
The price is also shocking. Most people wont be able to or have better purchase choice than getting the M3 max laptop because those prices are ridiculous.
bro 98% of users DO NOT USE A COMPUTER for benchmarks and video editing LMAO, not everyone is a creator. Which is why Windows and PC still rules
I bought a Lenovo workstation PC with the i9 chip and maxed out the RAM. Cheers!
When you can work out of your “office”, be it in your backyard, a weekend retreat, in the park the coffee shop, you are not so concerned about finishing fast, as you may be enclosed in your suffocating everyday every hour work space so you can keep plugged in you power hug PC.
Please do a comparison using stable diffusion, no one has done it b4
Why can't they come together and make an epic laptop/computer?
this is a lemon to grapefruit comparison, very sloppy but closer than it will ever be, still stick with intel+nvidia
I have both a MBP 16" laptop and a PC desktop. The laptop is great for media consumption but not really worth it my professional video editing stuff. Problem is not system performance its fast enough for the task but the fact that the Mac cant connect reliably to the NAS where my projects live just make it an expensive toy. I spent amother $1K on docks that end up failing after a couple of months. So is something I use for writing and watching youtube or to listen to music while Im working on my PC, and it's nice a good system for massaging the ego.
How is it failing to connect to your NAS?
@@MichaelGGarry ethernet connection randomly drops on many Thunderbolt and USB docks. So you'll ve forced to shot down and restart Resolve, it becomes too annoying to work like that.
@@sergiosanchez2012 So that sounds like a dock issue?
@@MichaelGGarry Happens with all 4 docks I've tried. The OWC worked for a while but then broke with a system update. And they are a bit expensive. You can of course connect directly to the NAS through Thunderbolt but it means sitting 1.5 meters away from the server or spending $2k on a long TB cable that will have bandwith issues as well. So it's more practical and affordable to edit on my PC and do the web browsing and checking emails on the Macbook.
I don't have a Mac studio yet but I'm sure that and the Mac mini Pro are the only viable options for Online video editing and finishing workflows.
Used to hate MacBooks until my company issued a MB M1 Pro. I loved it to the point that I got my own MB M1 Pro.
As a software developer, MB all day everyday. Different story for games though 😂
I love the design and how compact Mac's is, but as a 3d animation student it will only stand firm in modeling but in full rendering it would struggle. I see some reviews they're using blender it works fine but when the render view is open it struggles it's like rtx3060ti mobile laptop and I'm not quite sure if Mac's is good for the software I'm using which is Autodesk maya, substance and unreal engine. sorry for my grammar.
Would you change your 4090 / i9-13900k pc for a MacBook m3 max???
I’m a bit tired of the energy bills. I work 12 hours per day on premiere. And I’m not a gamer.
I would really. I can work anywhere I want. Go to a cafe or a park
The thermal limitations of the Macbook setup are gonna come through. In the tests where it's been cold overnight and is set to run a 30min test as the first thing, it'll do fine. But over hours of work, it's gonna throttle and degrade its performance (as shown in the initial tests). It's not gonna be bad, but it's not gonna deliver the peak potential that you sure as hell are paying for.
I would look into getting the system with the best cooling setup for the M3 Max relative to your budget for one-time purchase -and go with that. Regardless of what these tests are saying, and how much power your system is using, you're not making full use of the i9 and 4090 if all you do is Premiere. They're still optimized for certain types of work more than others. At least that's my 2 cents.
What is your current PC's energy consumption cost? Just because you work 12 hours a day doesn't mean your PC is constantly drawing maximum power during that entire period. If the cost of energy is the primary factor influencing your decision to switch, it could take several years to recoup the difference.
No. I dont think its true the powerbill post. If you need power you must have a good job.
M3 is goodnon energy only if you dont do something heavy.
Nobody does something important in a cafe
Macs dont last more than 6 hours on heavy things.
Umm... Riptor Lake has 24 cores. Is he running a 2010 i7??
That's great and all but my girlfriend just switched from mac to PC because RAM and SSD prices were robbery AND it cannot not be upgraded. Got her a 13600k, 64 GB DDR5, 990 Pro 4TB SSD, 4060TI 16GB , AND a $700 4K dell display for her lightroom classic usage. 1/3 the price of a mac studio and studio display. Some people are smart enough to switch thankfully. Its also mini itx yet still has absurdly better cooling than those macs.
I'dve done the same thing, just for mobile workflow, they're killing it 😱
Look, windows pc and laptop don't even count anymore. Nothing come close to apple M3 Max laptops.
Why compare the price of a Mac Studio and studio display when the Mac Studio would work just as well on the Dell display at half the price?
@@MichaelGGarry apparently there's scaling issues with 4k on Mac os
@@MichaelGGarry but the big point was how much of robbery Mac is for ram and storage. And absolutely no upgradeability. And it can't keep up with a dedicated Nvidia GPU as well
You forgot price per score, including a factor for the non upgradability
And where's the M3 ULTRA
Exactly!
Initially, my preference was to purchase an M3, but following this comparison, I've decided to opt for Intel instead. The performance of the M3 falls short in various scenarios, and notably, I couldn't find any tests specifically addressing its performance in games.
Am ok with Apple non-upgradability. Last time I had to upgrade my PC, I wanted to upgrade just the video card, which turns out i had to update entire PC because everything is outdated. Ended up buying a new premade PC instead.
But that is a Desktop chip. Can you compare it to at least the Ultra chip?
That's why having bitten the 'Apple', and you'll realise Apple owners won't pay you at all.