Spiral Roundabouts 1
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- The use of lanes on spiral roundabouts. How does a spiral roundabout work? What do others do wrong? The video uses a real roundabout for demonstration - the A19/A183 roundabout in Sunderland. The source of much frustration to learners, test candidates, and qualified drivers alike!
Best video I've seen on this. Top job! The main difference between yours and others is how clearly you show what the indicators should be doing at all points. Brilliant. Thanks!
Wow thanks for great feedback!
The only proper video on this topic. Spent ages searching for one and gave up, today I got reccommended this. You're a lifesaver!
Wow, great feedback. Thanks 🙏
Nice onee
Thank you!
As a visitor to the UK from Canada, where we have far fewer roundabouts, I learned by watching YT videos and they were a lifesaver.
My Rule Number 1 is, whenever entering a multi-lane roundabout to never enter beside any vehicle that is already in the roundabout because they could be exiting momentarily and would need my lane to get there. I also try to position myself within the roundabout to never have anyone on my left so that I can change lanes to exit if necessary. All of this being predicated on traffic volume of course. But, my Rule Number 1 served me well for many thousands of miles of UK driving over the years.
Before too long, I seemed to follow the rules better than many of the local drivers because I had better teachers.
Good idea to keep away from others as many still don’t know how to handle these larger roundabouts. It sends shivers down my spine when I hear, “Oh I just stick to the left lane all the way round”.
Thanks a lot for this awesome explanation! I am a new driver and I am from Glasgow up north. I recently visited Bristol and Bath and used a rental car there. It was a nightmare with every other roundabout being a spiral roundabout. I was doing fine on going straight but messed up once on turning right but to be safe I continued to where I was going (not where I wanted to but since I was in wrong lane so followed that safely ) . Then to go to my correct path that I had to turn right again on the same roundabout !!! But now I think I know what to do.
Really pleased it worked for you. Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you, this was very informative and easy to digest. I especially appreciate the in-depth breakdown of the traffic sign starting at 1:20 and how you've pointed out, that the order of the road markings translates to the order of the exits from the point of view of the driver. Kudos.
I really appreciate the time you’ve taken and the positive feedback. I’m really glad the video was helpful 😎
I passed my test prior to the introduction of these roundabouts and have not come across them very often but i had to improvise on the spot when i did come across one andi more or less taught myself how these work...thank you for the video.
You’re welcome. Hope it confirmed you’re doing it right 🤗
@@DrivingvideosUK i like to think so but always learning .
Thanks for creating this! I'm moving to the UK from Australia in a few months and, while we have roundabouts too, these spiral ones are something else entirely. This video helped me get my head around it!
Many thanks for taking the time to comment - great feedback. Good luck with the move. Bring some weather with you please!
Splendid video. Extremely clear! Thank you so much for posting!
Thank you for the very positive feedback. You're very welcome!
This was so clear and helpful - thank you! Really appreciate you commenting on the ways it can go awry with other drivers taking the wrong lane, too.
You’re very welcome. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
Beautifully explained. You are an excellent teacher sir, I have noticed it's a while you haven't uploaded anything, please keep it up sir. Thank you
I’m planning another spiral roundabout video - filming real cars using a drone then using animation to show the good and the bad. There aren’t enough days in the year! Comments like yours do inspire me to get back to it.
Fantastic video and incredibly useful! The only thing I would add is at 5:45 "If there are three lanes approaching and three lanes on the roundabout, it should be logic at this point without the dotted lines." Very true, but *if* the left lane is marked Left Turn Only, do *not* include that lane in matching approach to roundabout.
Thanks for great feedback. You make a good point too.
Thanks a lot. I prefer animated demos because i learn better from them.
Please make more☺️ These are very useful
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying them 🥰 and thanks for watching.
This channel is so underrated!
Thank you! Really great for you to take the time to say so.
Best vdo which i always wanted. Nice explaination as well
Wow, thank you. Great feedback.
Oh, and just this week I have a new spiral roundabout video which you may also find helpful. It’s live action rather than animated, so I’d love to know which is more useful. Thanks again.
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Ive just been on this roundabout a few times today,,good video cheers..
Many thanks! Good luck with the test.
Really great video. Roundabouts are a great invention, but I think they are implemented very badly very often. As has been mentioned, the dots can be very hard to follow when it is busy or there is bad weather.
One thing that doesn't make sense from the diagram is the right hand lane arrow right as you are about to enter the roundabout (start of video). Why would the arrow be straight ahead when that would be the wrong lane to go straight ahead?
I can't understand why all big roundabouts like this one don't have the lane guidance on a sign ABOVE the entrance of the road and at every set of lights. When roundabouts are busy it can become nigh on impossible to see the markings on the road. It becomes very nerve wracking on a new roundabout surrounded by large vehicles in the rain or at night and you are trying to safely find your way into the right lane.
What I hate is when roadworks are being carried out on roundabouts. A bunch of cones are laid out and it becomes very hard to read the road, especially at night. What lunatic though a zillion cones would be a good idea?
I think that councils should be fined too for not keeping up with the road markings. My friend failed their driving test for not using proper lane discipline on a roundabout. However, the lane markings have been completely worn away and even the arrows are almost gone!
When roundabouts are well signed and the paint is bold, they are great. However, when everything is poorly signed, a bit worn out and hard to read, they are TERRIBLE!
Many thanks for the feedback 👍
Fookin completely agree mate
Brilliant!
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
Very good lesson
Thank you! 😃
Great thanks
You’re very welcome! Thanks for taking the time to comment.
The double dotted lines are really confusing! At 7 minures, how do you know which set of dotted lines to follow? You could end up in the middle lane, left lane or exit the roundabout! Why is there a lack on consistency in markings Dotted lines only for entering vehicles would be a good start. Which markings can you trust?
I've been driving for 25 years and Spiral Roundabouts still baffle me!
You’re absolutely right. There are 2 sets of dots to follow. 1 for traffic entering the roundabout from the left of picture, and the set we’re following on the video. Where these cross it would be easy to follow the wrong set. However if you consider the dark blue car in the middle lane, it could leave in the right lane of the exit, or it could do what it does in the video. Failure to move over to the left lane would “push” the light blue car into the right lane making it very difficult for the light blue car to leave at the exit after this one. I guess the dots or studs are easier to follow in real life, but I’ve seen many drivers remain in the middle lane at this point. Another way to look at it, is that there are 2 lanes (middle and right) entering the roundabout that can go to exit 3, therefore they must flow together to exit 3, so after passing exit 2, the middle lane must spiral out to the left lane. Take a look at the “demo all lanes” video to see if that helps. None of this alters the fact that the dots can indeed be confusing!
@@DrivingvideosUK They're not always easier to follow in real life!, weather, other vehicles covering them, having to keep one eye off the ground on traffic etc, so you can't see your path. I don't live near one, I encounter one of these maybe once a year and I'm sure I'll forget all this when I next do!!! In real driving, you wouldn't want a car to your left or right in the blind spot, especially on an unfamiliar roundabout, where you should expect other cars to make lane changes. I watched this as it was pointed out to me that these roundabouts exist, to explain why I had always got them wrong, trying to treat them as conventional roundabouts.
I did live for a year near a gyratory roundabout (2 motorways intersecting with a number of local exists too, so non Motorway conditions), which I mastered after a few times, and was able to spot unfamiliar drivers and give them the space they needed to change lanes (the signposting is terrible though and inaccurate)
Honestly, it's just brilliant engineering. I hope one day we get spiral or "turbo" roundabouts where I live.
Lovely and clear. Good job. However, please don’t ask questions and ask us to answer them in the comments. I don’t know. That’s why I’m watching the video. I just want the answers; not more questions.
Thank you! Much appreciated. 😎
omg I know this roundabout😂!!
So you’ll see everybody getting it wrong then 😉😂
@@DrivingvideosUK including myself! a few times haha but I've learnt how to do this one right because I need to use it from time to time.
the thing that always confuses me is using indicators, because if i’m in the middle lane with my right signal on, wouldn’t that make drivers in the right hand lane think im trying to join their lane?
I see your point but no, the signal says “I’m turning right” and not a lane change.
Once you’re on the roundabout, all subsequent lane changes should be to a lane on your left.
Of course people get it wrong, and may indeed cause much confusion by attempting a lane change to the right.
@@DrivingvideosUK Can you suggest any references (Highway Code, Roadcraft etc) to confirm your point on this please? If I was on a roundabout and a vehicle alongside me to my left was indicating right then I would expect them to be changing out of their lane. I would have thought that being in a lane marked for a specific direction was in itself an indication of the driver's intentions with having to use an indicator. To put it another way, if you were driving through a large city on a three-lane one way system would you show an indicator unless you really wanted to change lanes?
@@davidharvey5161 Indeed the Highway Code and Roadcraft are good references. I would add “Driving, the essential skills”
The planned route of the car in the middle lane is not obvious from the road markings; the middle lane can be used to take the right lane on the next exit (should signal left) or to continue around the roundabout to the 3rd exit (as in the video), signalling right. The right signal should change to left once past the 2nd exit.
If I saw that car driving in the middle lane with his indicator on, I would assume he wants to move to the right lane. If it was me, I wouldn't use the indicators at all if I was already in the correct lane. Maybe I'd use a left indicator as I left the roundabout to make it 100% obvious for people waiting for a gap to enter the roundabout but you said this was controlled by traffic lights.
It’s normal to indicate right before entering the roundabout, leave it on, and only switch to a left indicator after passing the exit before your own. As with all signals, use them for the benefit of others, but don’t confuse others. Your right signal as you approach exit 2 informs drivers entering from that road that they need to wait. Not so much on this roundabout due to its size and the traffic lights. Provided you use signals intelligently for the benefit of other road users without confusing any, that’s fine.
It should not be confusing to drivers in the far right lane if you entered on a right signal, stayed in the middle lane, then signalled left to leave the roundabout in the left lane.
Who agrees that the dark blue car, indicating at 4:10, just before entering the middle lane, will confuse driver in the right-hand lane that they want to move to their lane? Shouldn't that car just wait until their exit before indicating left? Why? Why not please?
They’re signalling their intention to turn right at the roundabout. This is particularly important to inform people entering the roundabout at the 12 o’clock position that they’re not exiting the roundabout there. Not so much on huge roundabouts like this one, but on a smaller roundabout the signal tells people at 12 o’clock to wait.
In this case they’re also signalling their intention to take the lane to the right where their lane splits just in front of them. Useful to people behind them.
When turning right at a roundabout, signal right on approach then signal left just after passing your penultimate exit.
@@DrivingvideosUK 'signal right on approach then signal left just after passing your penultimate exit'. Yes, but how about the car in the middle lane continuing to indicate right throughout all the bits in between this? I'm a beginner, so looking to see if that is really necessary as it feels to me that it could confuse one group as much as inform another?
Because it’s the norm to keep the signal going , other drivers will (should!) accept it for what it is. On a roundabout as big as this one, you could signal for the lane selection at the start, cancel the signal, then re-apply it on the way to exit 2 (for the benefit of those who need to stop for us).
The key is (for all signals) to signal for those who could benefit but not to confuse anyone where it could cause danger. The driver on our right shouldn’t be confused by our continued signal but if they’re a good driver they’ll give us space to get it wrong just in case.
Very good come up to Kirkcaldy in Fife and do the same for our spiral roundabouts it would be a great help..
Thank you.
You’re very welcome. I wish I could - I’ve postponed my Scottish road trip 4 times now! Hopefully some of the same principles apply though.
What I don't understand about spiral roundabouts, is that you're expected to move over to the left outside lane BEFORE you reach the penultimate exit. Which you think would confuse drivers into thinking you're exiting the roundabout now.
Worse. If you were to move to the left lane BEFORE the penultimate exit, you would hit any vehicles on your left which are planning to use the penultimate exit. You should move from middle to left lane JUST AFTER the penultimate exit on a 3-lane roundabout. Take a look at the “demo all lanes” video which should help.
@@DrivingvideosUK so should this be done slightly earlier than you would a normal roundabout?
On a normal 2-lane, 4 exit roundabout, turning right to exit 3, I would enter in the right lane and move to the left just after exit 2, leaving room in the left lane for traffic exiting at exit 2. So I’d be moving from right to left just after exit 2.
@@DrivingvideosUK but on a roundabout you have to stay in your lane until the exit before yours. Oh sorry you said 2 lane roundabout. But would you do that on a roundabout with more than two lanes? Thanks
You usually have a choice of 2 lanes to turn right on a 3-lane roundabout so it depends which one you chose. Watch this video and make sure you watch both cars going to exit 2 (ahead) as well as both cars going to exit 3 (right).
Note also the car doubling back (using exit 4) which starts in lane 3, moves to lane 2 after exit 2, then moves to lane 1 after exit 3.
Do we count an exit if it says no entry or do we not count it as an exit
Thank you for video this was super
You’re welcome!
No, don’t count roads with no entry signs. The logic being that they are not exits, but are only entrances to the roundabout.
Fantastic video, thanks mate, can you please make more videos like this about multilane roundabouts?
I started a series on signals but it doesn’t seem popular. The two spiral roundabout videos are getting more views than anything else.
I plan to get my drone above a couple of spiral roundabouts when it’s a bit warmer outside!
Glad it helped. Many thanks for the feedback. Do you like the drone idea?
Did you watch the companion video?
Spiral roundabouts 2 (Demo all lanes)
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@@DrivingvideosUK Thats a great idea mate am looking forvard to more of your videos about roundabouts and multilane ones, am finding hard to pick a lane early enough fot the exit I want to take...
@@DrivingvideosUK I did thank you for this mate!
Is there any way we could know east west north south of roads without local knowledge?
Thank you for your clear explanation of the spiral round about.
Glad it was helpful.
Normally when following a route you’ll have an idea from the route you planned on a map, of the general direction (N,S,E or W) you need to travel.
Using a satnav, it’ll tell you which exit you need and sometimes how it’s signposted.
But yes, it’s not always obvious which way is north etc. unless you have a compass (some cars show your direction on a compass displayed on the dash) or even go back to the ancient method - in the UK the sun is in the south east in the morning and the south west in the evening. Navigating by the stars at night is something I’ve never needed to do!
So plan the route on a map or program the satnav before setting off.
Very good video… but no matter how hard i study and have all theories in my head, when i drive i get confused
Many thanks for the feedback. It sounds like you just need to practise. Most experienced drivers have specific roundabouts that they dislike. Make sure you’re doing the right lanes and signals etc. and give others the space to get it wrong, then any anxiety you have should reduce.
Good video. I have question though as to why throughout we are keeping the right signal on while on the middle lane would it not confuse the traffic behind thinking i am changing lanes? So confused 😅
Once you’ve entered the roundabout, there’s generally no need to change to a lane on your right unless you’re in the wrong lane.
The right signal confirms you’re not leaving at the next exit. Switch to a left signal once you’ve passed the exit before yours.
The signals are to inform others where you’re going on the roundabout rather than for each lane change.
@@DrivingvideosUK thanks for thorough explanation.
If you’ve not seen this video it may help to clarify…
Spiral roundabout example - demonstration
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Please could u explain the southmims roundabout the same way
It’s a roundabout I’ve driven a fair few times and it confuses a fair few drivers so it’s a good candidate. I’m doing very little animation at the minute so when I get my hand back in I’ll take a look.
How do you apply the MSPSL on thi??they seem so complex
You should treat it as a series of manoeuvres and apply MSM to each. Entering the roundabout, changing lanes or spiralling out, and leaving the roundabout.
Driving in uk needs 5 eyes from different views. Gosh
You’re right. If everyone followed the rules it would be much easier.
no, vour left side of your headphones/earphones did not break towards the end of the video, dw.
I have no answer to that!
@@DrivingvideosUK my comment was more so for future viewers to not worry about checking their headphones like I had to at that part 😅