I like both versions. But the person ahead of me said it right without a Bob Ezrin there would be no Detroit Rock City and no shouted out loud. But I also agree with Peter about cutting out the kids.
he is right. I hated the production on Destroyer. One of my least favorite Kiss albums. The original Kiss has always been a simple, raw, garage kick ass hard rock band. Bob way over produced them. Peter is 100% right. They should've taken out all of those effects for the re release and put Beth with just an acoustic guitar like the way it sounded on the Phantom Of The park movie.
The story Ace tells. they went into the studio to record destroyer and Bob had a mountain of coke on the sound board and introduced Ace and Peter to it…after that Peter just went downhill until kiss had to fire him..some people can do coke and be fine others like Peter instant addiction first line sad I wish Pete all the best though he was a giant part of my childhood
I think Ezrin like other producers wanted to give the album some of the new gear and mastering capabilities of today that they never had back in the day. Stephen Wilson has been remastering and remixing classic records from the 70s, they all sound great !
Yeah but Paul and Gene were all business (and still are) and they wouldn't have cared about the drugs if both he and Ace were able to play quality shows.
@@Claytoonzcom that's true, as much as Paul hated Ace, he was one of the reasons people came to see kiss. Overall I do like Tommy but Ace paved the way for many musicians today.
There also wouldn't be a Beth. Sure, there's that old Chelsea version, but that never would have been a hit. without Ezrin's Beth, there may not have been a Kiss after this album.
Destroyer was a ground breaking album for kiss. When your in a band on a album you give 110% from everyone. If you can’t, walk away. He didn’t play in a lot of albums due to drugs and booze
Destroyer's production is soft imho. The best kiss album production is by far RNRO..Peter's drums are right in your face, gut punching and bombastic. This is also due in part to the sizes he used, using a 14x12 marching snare drum, which has both bottom end, and high end crack. Guitars are crunchy and ear splitting. Dean De Leo of STP mimicked a lot of Ace's tones, as well as Jimmy Page's. That whole entire album is probably the best one in terms of sound and production. It also gave them 3 hit singles in Dr. Love, Hard Luck Woman, and Love em and leave em.
I remember as a 15 yr old enjoying Rock And Roll Over much more that the previous Destroyer but Kiss Alive is the best thing they ever did, more serious heavy rock. By 76 though there was a hell of a lot of competition what with Rush, Nugent, Aerosmith, Trower, Lizzy so I started moving away from Kiss a little.
Since ace and Peter were in fact my fav players not just members, even ALIVE! Is tarnished by their behaviours. KISS had three albums then couldn’t record, then finally Revenge and Carnival was a 4 piece band again. As a hardcore fan this band is wild. Peter and Ace did more damage with thesepathetic interviews than Paul and Gene ever did selling out. Makes sense why Gene and Paul keep KISS going without them. I’d do it out of spite for the rest of my life too.
Waaah waaah being in KISS DESTROYER era was such a nightmare compared to being in a great band that struggled and didn't make it!! Waaah waah! I'll trade with ya Peter!!
I noticed a couple days ago that Destroyer cover is a copy of Shiva the Destroyer of worlds. Look at the pictures side by side of Shiva kicking the legs….
@Geraldo-ro9rc of course not but again how can every recording be a nightmare ? Peter got me started on drums , always be grateful for that ,just stating the obvious.
@Geraldo-ro9rc he said Bob put him through hell, I guess the recording process was tough .It's not like there's any complicated parts so maybe it's the production. The drums on that album are basic.
@@SalMichael The drums arent basic at all, its just that bob made him play a more straight forward style for some reason. I preferred his playing previous.
Always the woe is me Peter. You had one thing to do that brought you fame and fortune beyond your wildest dreams and you complain. No wonder Paul and Gene want nothing to do with him.
The more I hear Peter Criss the less content I discover as his speeches are purely hollow bitterness blaming others for his fokkups. Like an entitled teenager, never took responsibility for his actions. If it weren’t for Eddie Trunk, people would have totally forgotten him like a disposable member of Fleetwood Mac.
If you’d done a modicum of research, you’d have discovered that Peter took lessons with legendary drummer Gene Krupa. And I already know you’re clueless and wondering Gene who? 😂
I never liked Kiss. They look ridiculous in the space clown makeup and costumes. Their studio recordings sound dull and flat, and the live albums sound better. Highly overrated like The Beatles.
@sjsjs-y9w The Beatles went full psychedelic after their manager overdosed on pain killers. In my opinion, their manager was holding them back from just letting them be themselves.
That album was magic when I was 10 years old.
Trunk loves to hear his voice way too much.
Trunk is conditioned to fill time.
Yes he does!
Destroyer was a masterpiece, they couldn’t have done it without Bob Ezrin!
Peter and Ace should just go be miserable somewhere . I believe it's hard work to be Kiss . Peter and Ace just wanted to party .
I ❤ Ace and Peter
I like both versions. But the person ahead of me said it right without a Bob Ezrin there would be no Detroit Rock City and no shouted out loud. But I also agree with Peter about cutting out the kids.
Destroyer, 4 great songs and that's about it
Detroit rock city, King of the night time world, Shout it out loud, i guess?
Which one is the fourth?
@@toke7342 Sweet Pain?
Trunk is insufferable.
Turrble
Yes he is!
This is years old!!!
OMG! Ezrin worked w/ Peter to play better than he ever did before...what a nightmare!
Thought it was just me. They sound like they are trying way too hard to make something out of absolutely nothing.
straighter, not necessarily better
he is right. I hated the production on Destroyer. One of my least favorite Kiss albums. The original Kiss has always been a simple, raw, garage kick ass hard rock band. Bob way over produced them. Peter is 100% right. They should've taken out all of those effects for the re release and put Beth with just an acoustic guitar like the way it sounded on the Phantom Of The park movie.
Put the crack pipe down. Destroyer was awesome!
Agreed , destroyer was way over produced. Rock n Roll over was 10 times better.
Yeah... some people don't know when to leave well enough alone!
The story Ace tells. they went into the studio to record destroyer and Bob had a mountain of coke on the sound board and introduced Ace and Peter to it…after that Peter just went downhill until kiss had to fire him..some people can do coke and be fine others like Peter instant addiction first line sad I wish Pete all the best though he was a giant part of my childhood
He was doin coke way before Erin lol
Peter Criss is the reason I picked up the drums and sold them to buy a guitar. THEN I started getting laid instead of being bitter. Thanks, Catman!
Now, Catman just has to work at getting some.
I think Ezrin like other producers wanted to give the album some of the new gear and mastering capabilities of today that they never had back in the day.
Stephen Wilson has been remastering and remixing classic records from the 70s, they all sound great !
I have a lot of criticism for Peter but now he sounds very honest and a joy to talk to.
Yeah but Paul and Gene were all business (and still are) and they wouldn't have cared about the drugs if both he and Ace were able to play quality shows.
@@rockpadstudios They never fired Ace.
@@Claytoonzcom that's true, as much as Paul hated Ace, he was one of the reasons people came to see kiss. Overall I do like Tommy but Ace paved the way for many musicians today.
@@rockpadstudios Yeah, the original guys were the perfect formula of personalities for Kiss. I am an Ace fan, at least of his 70s stuff.
@@Claytoonzcom read his book. It’s a tale of “blame everyone else”.
Listen to the Dynasty shows live - Peter’s playing is already dumbed down. But drugs will do that to oneself.
Great album‼️💥
Chris just compared his band to Zeppelin... and he was serious. Sweet Jesus, have mercy.... 😮
Wow, that’s interesting.
You do great videos!!!
But in this one the mixing is not ok.... One can hardly hear the dialogue.....
Thanks for your time and passion for KISS...
Another KISS album, another nightmare for Peter Criss . Rince & repeat 😂🤣🤣🤣
What about the Steven Wilson remix of Destroyer?
Didn't know he did one. Will have to check it out
Without Bob Ezrin, KISS wouldn’t be the band they are today. No Detroit Rock City and no Shout it out Loud.
BS. Kramer was better
@@Geraldo-ro9rc For sure
I basically discredited everhthing he does as a whole other band. They basically have 5 albums.
There also wouldn't be a Beth. Sure, there's that old Chelsea version, but that never would have been a hit. without Ezrin's Beth, there may not have been a Kiss after this album.
Destroyer was a ground breaking album for kiss. When your in a band on a album you give 110% from everyone. If you can’t, walk away. He didn’t play in a lot of albums due to drugs and booze
Yeah, when you don't show up clean & sober, work can be a nightmare...
that was more Ace.
@@Geraldo-ro9rc It was both...
@@grantsapain I know but it was more ace with that problem during that era
Get over it already 🙄🙄
@eddyceee Yeah that's what I was thinking .! Geez.!!
Peter Criss is my favorite and kiss lost the best drummer they ever had
Destroyer's production is soft imho. The best kiss album production is by far RNRO..Peter's drums are right in your face, gut punching and bombastic. This is also due in part to the sizes he used, using a 14x12 marching snare drum, which has both bottom end, and high end crack. Guitars are crunchy and ear splitting. Dean De Leo of STP mimicked a lot of Ace's tones, as well as Jimmy Page's. That whole entire album is probably the best one in terms of sound and production. It also gave them 3 hit singles in Dr. Love, Hard Luck Woman, and Love em and leave em.
I remember as a 15 yr old enjoying Rock And Roll Over much more that the previous Destroyer but Kiss Alive is the best thing they ever did, more serious heavy rock. By 76 though there was a hell of a lot of competition what with Rush, Nugent, Aerosmith, Trower, Lizzy so I started moving away from Kiss a little.
The hottest band in the world....
Ace did not do all the solos. It's common knowledge Dick Wagner contributed some guitar work.
Since ace and Peter were in fact my fav players not just members, even ALIVE! Is tarnished by their behaviours. KISS had three albums then couldn’t record, then finally Revenge and Carnival was a 4 piece band again. As a hardcore fan this band is wild. Peter and Ace did more damage with thesepathetic interviews than Paul and Gene ever did selling out. Makes sense why Gene and Paul keep KISS going without them. I’d do it out of spite for the rest of my life too.
You know he's from Brooklyn right?
peter was arrogant, lazy and destroy his own career. i love his works on KISS anyway
@@Totuudenilmaisija his work through Alive 2 is stellar, after that he has been a disappointment.
@@kawada1 agree
No, he was absolutely and is a frickin legend 👏!!!!!!
Regarding Peter...(just my opinion) KISS 1st album up to and including Alive was jungle big cat drumming. Anything after was domesticated kitty.
Waaah waaah being in KISS DESTROYER era was such a nightmare compared to being in a great band that struggled and didn't make it!! Waaah waah! I'll trade with ya Peter!!
Bob said that he wished Revenge been with the original four
But then “Unholy” would have been absent.
@@aaronw8781I could have lived with that sacrifice even if it is the best track on the slbum.!
They kidnapped Bob Ezrin from Alice Cooper
What intrview . Theres just footage with unrelated backing music
SHORT AVERAGE AT BEST DIVA DRUMMER 🥁
Paul and Gene are kiss 50 years of commitment Peter and ace lightweights Eddie trunk revenging paul and Gene because they blanked him sour grapes
Agree 100 percent!
I noticed a couple days ago that Destroyer cover is a copy of Shiva the Destroyer of worlds. Look at the pictures side by side of Shiva kicking the legs….
HUNYA!!
It still miffs me the way they recorded Rock & Roll Over and Love Gun ...they both sound awful compared to Destroyer
Little Peter Criss acting like a victim again. Ugh.
Eric Carr all the way!!
Tell it brother!!
Eric was a monster drummer! Wow!
Why is Peter always calling everything a nightmare ? I wish he would just fade away. He is irrelevant today.
It wasn't ace soloing on sweet pain
A clown show no matter how ya slice it. One great record..
I think the fame of BETH went to Peter's head 🤔
I love him but Christ almighty everything was a problem with this guy.
Hes being interviewed. You want him to lie?
@Geraldo-ro9rc of course not but again how can every recording be a nightmare ? Peter got me started on drums , always be grateful for that ,just stating the obvious.
@@SalMichael that isnt what was said.
@Geraldo-ro9rc he said Bob put him through hell, I guess the recording process was tough .It's not like there's any complicated parts so maybe it's the production.
The drums on that album are basic.
@@SalMichael The drums arent basic at all, its just that bob made him play a more straight forward style for some reason. I preferred his playing previous.
Trunk is the epitome of a guy who loses his virginity at the age of 30
Eric singer was best.
The usual whiner!
Yawn…
You want the best you got the beat Kiss is far from that. Fad band that got lucky
Peter Criss IS the nightmare.
Always the woe is me Peter. You had one thing to do that brought you fame and fortune beyond your wildest dreams and you complain. No wonder Paul and Gene want nothing to do with him.
The "nightmare". The guy never had a real job in his life.
Sour grapes all the way, Peter Piss, Ayatollah Crisscuola!
Clowns
The more I hear Peter Criss the less content I discover as his speeches are purely hollow bitterness blaming others for his fokkups. Like an entitled teenager, never took responsibility for his actions. If it weren’t for Eddie Trunk, people would have totally forgotten him like a disposable member of Fleetwood Mac.
This is what happens when you don't take lessons and can't read or write the music of the instrument your playing on.
What are you saying
Paul McCartney can't read music. He's done okay.
Thank you for your cleaver insight Mr judgemental...we'll all sleep better from now on.
Says the person who can’t spell simple words.
Did you take spelling lessons?
If you’d done a modicum of research, you’d have discovered that Peter took lessons with legendary drummer Gene Krupa. And I already know you’re clueless and wondering Gene who? 😂
I never liked Kiss. They look ridiculous in the space clown makeup and costumes. Their studio recordings sound dull and flat, and the live albums sound better. Highly overrated like The Beatles.
And, the highest selling American rock band in history, try again!!!!
Opinions are like sphincters..
The studio albums indeed sound bad.
@sjsjs-y9w
I'm into bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. I never liked The Beatles or Kiss .
@sjsjs-y9w
The Beatles went full psychedelic after their manager overdosed on pain killers.
In my opinion, their manager was holding them back from just letting them be themselves.