That's some really nice firewood there. Checked, cracked, split, etc just to name a few. Thank-you Mrs. Engels for those beautiful opening shots. The autumn colors, the clear streams & lakes and so much more.
I visited Laws in Bishop, Ca. last weekend and was so stoked to see the Borax wagons big as life in front of me. They look even more amazing up close as they do in your videos. I didn't know they were there and found them in their display toward the end of the visit. A big thanks for keeping that small part of our history out here alive.
@@andyhastings5950 No, I stopped fishing many years ago due to lack of skill. ;) I talked to a fisherman on Hot Creek who had a great day though. The fly fishing out there has to be amazing.
@@Fireballsocal I'm no spring chicken at 70+, but I'm going to get a reservation with a guide who knows our limitations. I learned from another Grey Beard that they are available. Back to the past. In 1998 I spent six weeks closing a mill near Bishop. And had heard how great the fishing was. We subsequently started to fish nearly every evening. Barbless hooks... I was using an ultralight combo that also had a fly reel. I decided to try it one evening. I looked in a small wooden box of Flys my dad gave me well over 20 yes before. Picked what I thought wood work...First drift and bang an 18" naturally stream born Brownie. Biggest fish of the trip. Hopefully his great genes are still being past down.
@@andyhastings5950 I'm not gonna wish you good luck as I'm superstitious. haha. Have a blast though. I have wandered all over the Eastern Sierras and still have so much to see. So many beautiful places there.
Never easy when picking up someone else’s choices. The owner should be very grateful that he has someone with your experience to keep his project on the right track. 😊
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Excited to see another wagon build, I have worked on cars my whole life and it fascinates me how the prior transportation was built. I like the build process so I can see how they handled the joinery on parts of the wagon that were going to take the enormous forces hauling heavy loads over rough ground. This library is truly going to be a national treasure and I thank you for deciding to share it with us.
I too am amazed at the engineering that went into those conveyances. How they got across 3,000 miles of wilderness to the West is incredible, but they did!
Very interesting as Catepillar is a major player in Construction equipment and up until recently was headquartered in Peoria, Illinois. My uncle worked for them for over 30 years and his son also worked there. Thanks for the history lesson and as always, thanks for sharing your world with us. God bless you and Mrs. Engels.
Harmon Eberhard, a president of Caterpillar, married and moved to house (rich side) directly across the street (poor side) from my mother- in-law. If i remember, he started working for Holt running errands for the drafting room in 1916 or 17 during WWI. He got assigned to merger team between Holt & Best. Harmon was a really nice guy, authentic, truthful, ethical and a solid engineer. We would get in a corner of the room at dinners & talk as long as the women folk permitted. C.L. Best had the better design and superior engine, but dealing with Best was difficult. Holt had the $$, better engineering and superior manufacturing. The early years of Caterpillar had many sparks due Best wanting it his way & $$ vs Holt wanting products & growth. Many more pages about Harmon could and should be written before memory floats away, but we are here for wheels. Wheels: i peppered Harmon with questions about the Holt wheels. He
Harmon - continued: Harmon said he had fun adding radii to the wheel hub to stop side loading cracks & changing the heat treat process to increase yield. But by the time he made changes, wheels were only a special order repair part. So he considered the work wasted as the improvements added little to the company value.
When I see a box full of random wagon parts as you had at the end, all I can think is the description "a who did it and ran" as my father-in-law used to say. That it comes out after you are done, as a complete wagon is amazing.
I have been in your shoes so many times over owner bought materials. I look forward to seeing you and your client work out the issues. I hope and pray for the best outcome.
Thanks from a Stocktonian, you got the history lesson down pat. Old Benjamin was quite the inventor. His biggest claim to fame in the Stockton area was the tracked tractor that was used in farming the peat soil of our Delta Islands. His second and probably even greater invention of the Side Hill harvester. This was a very early project and was powered initially by horses. This harvester opened up hundreds of thousands of acres in hilly country for profitable grain production.
If I lived closer, I'd beg for an apprenticeship! I can only dream of learning an amazing and specific trade such as this from someone as knowledgeable as you! Fantastic work sir!!
I remember those Winters at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls Montana. This San Diego boy went there in 1976, the coldest Winter recorded in 100 years! I was a Firefighter. I never warmed up. Slept in my parka! Now I'm in Northwestern New Mexico. I never learned huh? The North/South wind is a blowin' hard right now. Still cant get warm. 😅
Great job Dave , alot of that wood isn't good for much . Good call and hope things are worked out with the guy you are under contract too. Looks like you'll stay busy all winter. Stay safe and keep up the great videos and have fun with them too. Fred.
Jeep body shell looks to have a side fuel filler, so maybe Willys MC rather than WW2. I remember seeing the hood sitting in the shop. The jack you use on the steam bender looks like an early jeep jack too. Don't think we don't recognise these things. 8-)
I was watchin you unwrap those 2 piles of oak I presume & was thinkin you must have bought it pretty cheap w/all the checks cracks & splits. I used to build driftboats for a fishing outfitter On Middle Fork Salmon in Idaho and guide for him w/ my boat . That river will test a boat. Building those boats required quality material . My boats held up because they were built with good material the right way. Your reputation is only as good as your last boat. I can see from your videos that you build quality into your projects for your customers, It looks like you have a couple years work on customers orders when you can get to it. You have a well earned Rep. Thanks for the video. Sorry I been so windy. I used to carpenter a little. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
I don't know anything about wood, but when I watched you examine that lumber, I said to myself..."that wood looks terrible...!". I wasn't surprised at all you rejected it!
If I understand right, the Caterpillar name started out as a model of tracked vehicle sold by Holt / Best, and the logo on these early units was the name arranged to look like a caterpillar!
It’s a real pain in the butt to start a big difficult project only to find you were sent unusable materials! I’ve sent back 100s of boards that wouldn’t have lasted long enough. Ash is strong, but from just seeing the cracks and knots, to get enough straight grain usable pieces, this bulk ain’t got it! The mud wagon it it. ❤️ from your buddy to the south. Thanxz
Very interesting. When I was a small boy, there was a ranch next door and one of the sons left to work in Hollywood as a Wheelwright. This was in the 1950's so there was a big need for wheelwrights with all of the western movies and TV shows going on. Last I heard, he was still teaching the skill to new people in classes near Escondido and he was in his 80's. He also learned and taught blacksmithing. He learned all of this from men who did this for a living around 1900 so it was pretty much authentic training from first hand experts. Too bad most of this skill has been lost.
Read your good comment. I carpentered for a little while & started building Driftboats & there were a few that really helped me & some very tight lipped. Looks like your ex neighbor ran into some good people down there & passed some of that craft on to the next generation
I agree, you got a lot of nice fire wood. I am not a grader of wood but that stuff was poor quality from the start. I have cherry in my neck of the woods and I always wonder if that kind of wood would make a good box for a wagon. We also have some popular and iron wood as well. But again I am not a wheelwright like you. Good luck on the projects
Looks like you're going to need a spare tank of L.P. for the fork lift. Hub weight with out spokes and rivets blew my mind. Very talented driving on that Alliance. I did 20 years on fork lift in tight spaces and your skills really shine.
I love to learn from someone that knows what he is doing. I thought to myself would I use that wood if it were the size I used to turn on the lathe I would sure have to pressure glue it for the work I do. I am so glad you are rejecting it instead of trying to use bad wood. Great idea for fire wood.
Hello Dave, You are very fortunate to have access to all the old true wrought iron wagon tires out in back of your shop. Anything in todays iron,( less that 100 years old) is most likely mild steel and not as easy to work with.
Dave uses new iron a lot of the time, and doesn't seem to have any issues with it. It rolls fine, and welds very well. But, I agree with you on how much "old" iron he has.
Hi Dave and Diane ☺, neat bit of forklift driving in the shop, but all the effort to pull out those pallets of wood wasn't worth it when we got a close up look.Thats a sorry looking pile of firewood they sent you, someone at the other end got ripped off, or had no idea what was required for that job, either way I'd reject the whole lot, not worth the risk as you said, it's your time and reputation that's at stake here . The sheeted up prodject you brought in is intriguing, we'll just have to wait and see ,lol. Cheers Dave, thanks for the video, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Before Ben Holt moved to California, he and his family operated a business selling hardwoods in New England. Ben was sent to California to set up a business outlet for the families hardwoods products. The rest, as they say, is history.
You're definitely right about rejecting much of that lumber. It doesn't matter how good the quality of the work is if the quality of the material is bad.
Dave, how do you normally go about ordering your lumber? Is it always project specific? Would be very interested in hearing/seeing how you do your calculations on what you need. Keep up the good work!
Yes some persons really don’t know about wood , as for myself most of it were firewood if not all . What I do to prevent cracking is I put my planks , beams or whole tree in my lake for 2 years , hater is very cold and mostly alway in shadow , the wood suck the water and chase the sap then I use my sawmill and I let the wood air dry .
And thanks for you, Dave. I found a guy over at AT Restoration who does your thing, but on furniture. Between the two of you, I am filling my brain with more knowledge than I will ever be able to use. But that's the GOOD thing, no?
Forward planning or spinning plates is a great skill but sometimes the best laid plans etc conspire to bite your nether regions! Keep up the good work.
Enjoyed the video Dave. I thought as you were sorting through the material that there just wasn't very many good pieces that didn't have checks and splits. Thanks for the video. Y'all take care and God bless.
Works for me. I have a soft spot for mud wagons anyway. Hey, do you follow Squatch253? He's working on an early Caterpillar and has located a cab for it. The cab is built very similarly to many trade carriages I've seen, like delivery wagons and horse drawn school busses. It might be interesting to see what knowledge the pair of you could share on that cab.
Could that wood have been in better shape if it were dried more slowly or evenly? Was it just random log (chunks) that someone milled and never really seasoned?
Love the Warning Chime for the Door height! Those forks make quick work of a door frame or o/h door. Some of those (half) big ones looked like firewood to me! Good choice to Stop Work Order this project. Those are massive Hubs. Tapered Roller Bearings?
Very interesting didn’t have any idea those hubs weighed that much be careful with your back on those hubs and hope you get it sorted out great project
Hello Dave, Holt and Best both built combined harvesters. Tractors came along to replace the mules that pulled the harvesters. That's a simplified version. It looks to me that the wood in question is California Black Oak. I have milled a bunch in 4/4 but have had very limited success with anything thicker. I suspect that Holt imported eastern red oak or possibly white oak for use in these wheels. Just my opinion.
WEll I was looking at the quality of those pieces of wood as you were handling them and I have on clue on what to do with them. but even I would have rejected them. A small hair line crack is one thing. but those splits and cracks were about ready to split in half on their own, let alone be under stresss in a build/ part. Be interesting to hear the outcome of that one. But still and interesting video to see how you handle and shuffle things around. thanks for sharing ! ECF
All starts with the material. I have had to dig a lot to get to do some projects at the hardwood specialty outlets for small projects. How many times more difficult it is on your scale. Had no idea, but so interesting to hear of the simple beginnings of what today is a modern global corporation like CAT. First time I have seen the beginning of one of your restorations, although I use that very loosely, wagons. I would assume the hardware will be the only part salvageable from the bin on the stage coach. At least I have to take your word on what it is or should I say was. It looks like you have the body of a CJ5 under the tarp. Thanks very much for sharing.
Perhaps it's been discussed in an earlier video, but if not I would appreciate a discussion of what species of wood are suitable for wheels. Historically there has been a lot of discussion on the Model T Ford forums regarding the merits of Hickory (high ultimate strength AND a high work of fracture) vs. Oak (high ultimate strength, but quite a bit lower work of fracture, tends to shatter if overloaded).
So the Deacon inquired of the village folk Where he could find the strongest oak, That couldn't be split nor bent nor broke,- That was for spokes and floor and sills; He sent for lancewood to make the thills; The crossbars were ash, from the straightest trees; The panels of white-wood, that cuts like cheese, But lasts like iron for things like these; The hubs of logs from the “Settler's ellum,” Last of its timber,-they couldn't sell 'em,- ...... excerpted from THE WONDERFUL “ONE-HOSS-SHAY” By Oliver Wendell Holmes I, for one, would like to see Dave make a video where he sits by the woodstove in a smoking jacket and reads the poem.
The work you do never ceases to amaze me, those hubs you were weighing, can you still buy those as new castings or were those original antique parts, I was just wondering?
Dave, what species was that lumber you had to reject? Is one type of lumber better than others for wheels and such, or would you be able to choose from different types as long as it is sound?
Wow!? It is hard to believe someone who can mill lumber sent / or allowed this firewood to be sent to you to build a wheel? People need to understand the amount of work that goes into just selecting/prepping a living material (wood) to create with. I believe this lumber was sent wet. Keeping it in plastic may not have helped, depending on the environment it was stored in and the weight of the plastic. Hope this works out. Always enjoy the videos. (JF)
It was mighty thoughtful of them to give you all of that firewood. I'm sure it'll be appreciated in the winter.
Agreed, its all self split ready to go
Bit harsh.
At least a dozen pallets hidden in there 😉
Wow I thought it was just me - but I am glad you had the same option :)
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@@robertfrost4086 Why did he put them through the planner?
That tree in your intro and outro is quite stunning!
Boy, the wind shakes in that stuff-Fraxinius Rejectus!
Wonderful episode again Mr and Mrs Engels thank you for sharing. God bless and see you next week :)
That's some really nice firewood there. Checked, cracked, split, etc just to name a few. Thank-you Mrs. Engels for those beautiful opening shots. The autumn colors, the clear streams & lakes and so much more.
It doesn't bode well when the dunnage is in better shape than the lumber.
When you peeled the wrap off those pallets, I thought to myself, "Geez, Dave's got a lot of firewood there!"
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I was surprised you went through the thickness planer as you could see the timber wasn’t up to the task.
Thanks again.
@8:45 I might not know what the after work project under the tarp is but it gives me the Willys.
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I'm impressed you passed most of those bolts through your planer! The whole lot seemed like a waste of your time. Thanks for another great video!
I visited Laws in Bishop, Ca. last weekend and was so stoked to see the Borax wagons big as life in front of me. They look even more amazing up close as they do in your videos. I didn't know they were there and found them in their display toward the end of the visit. A big thanks for keeping that small part of our history out here alive.
Benjamin, Did you do any trout fishing? Bishop is in the center of the greatest trout fishing in California.
@@andyhastings5950 No, I stopped fishing many years ago due to lack of skill. ;) I talked to a fisherman on Hot Creek who had a great day though. The fly fishing out there has to be amazing.
@@Fireballsocal I'm no spring chicken at 70+, but I'm going to get a reservation with a guide who knows our limitations. I learned from another Grey Beard that they are available.
Back to the past. In 1998 I spent six weeks closing a mill near Bishop. And had heard how great the fishing was. We subsequently started to fish nearly every evening. Barbless hooks... I was using an ultralight combo that also had a fly reel. I decided to try it one evening. I looked in a small wooden box of Flys my dad gave me well over 20 yes before. Picked what I thought wood work...First drift and bang an 18" naturally stream born Brownie. Biggest fish of the trip. Hopefully his great genes are still being past down.
@@andyhastings5950 I'm not gonna wish you good luck as I'm superstitious. haha. Have a blast though. I have wandered all over the Eastern Sierras and still have so much to see. So many beautiful places there.
Never easy when picking up someone else’s choices. The owner should be very grateful that he has someone with your experience to keep his project on the right track. 😊
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Hey Dave...I see that Jeep under that tarp...
Smart move with them 10 foot wheels...
Mud wagon...Yay!
I never knew the "Dave Shop" obstacle course was as challenging as that !
Love your show !
Excited to see another wagon build, I have worked on cars my whole life and it fascinates me how the prior transportation was built. I like the build process so I can see how they handled the joinery on parts of the wagon that were going to take the enormous forces hauling heavy loads over rough ground. This library is truly going to be a national treasure and I thank you for deciding to share it with us.
I too am amazed at the engineering that went into those conveyances. How they got across 3,000 miles of wilderness to the West is incredible, but they did!
Very interesting as Catepillar is a major player in Construction equipment and up until recently was headquartered in Peoria, Illinois. My uncle worked for them for over 30 years and his son also worked there. Thanks for the history lesson and as always, thanks for sharing your world with us. God bless you and Mrs. Engels.
Harmon Eberhard, a president of Caterpillar, married and moved to house (rich side) directly across the street (poor side) from my mother- in-law. If i remember, he started working for Holt running errands for the drafting room in 1916 or 17 during WWI. He got assigned to merger team between Holt & Best. Harmon was a really nice guy, authentic, truthful, ethical and a solid engineer. We would get in a corner of the room at dinners & talk as long as the women folk permitted. C.L. Best had the better design and superior engine, but dealing with Best was difficult. Holt had the $$, better engineering and superior manufacturing. The early years of Caterpillar had many sparks due Best wanting it his way & $$ vs Holt wanting products & growth. Many more pages about Harmon could and should be written before memory floats away, but we are here for wheels.
Wheels: i peppered Harmon with questions about the Holt wheels. He
Harmon - continued: Harmon said he had fun adding radii to the wheel hub to stop side loading cracks & changing the heat treat process to increase yield. But by the time he made changes, wheels were only a special order repair part. So he considered the work wasted as the improvements added little to the company value.
When I see a box full of random wagon parts as you had at the end, all I can think is the description "a who did it and ran" as my father-in-law used to say. That it comes out after you are done, as a complete wagon is amazing.
Can’t wait to watch the two new/old projects hit the work shop. Will probably watch every episode as I do now.
Well you just helped fill up my winter viewing schedule!
I have been in your shoes so many times over owner bought materials. I look forward to seeing you and your client work out the issues. I hope and pray for the best outcome.
Always a pleasure. Thanks for having us
Jeep is in the shop . 🍻🇨🇦👨🏭
It's great to see your jeep inside. I hope you can get to it soon.
Thanks from a Stocktonian, you got the history lesson down pat.
Old Benjamin was quite the inventor. His biggest claim to fame in the Stockton area was the tracked tractor that was used in farming the peat soil of our Delta Islands. His second and probably even greater invention of the Side Hill harvester. This was a very early project and was powered initially by horses. This harvester opened up hundreds of thousands of acres in hilly country for profitable grain production.
Once again thanks for the video.
One day I plan to come to there and I hope to see his shop
If I lived closer, I'd beg for an apprenticeship! I can only dream of learning an amazing and specific trade such as this from someone as knowledgeable as you! Fantastic work sir!!
The Willys is back in the shop!!
I am excited to see your work on these two projects in the coming months
Thanks to you Mr. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember those Winters at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls Montana. This San Diego boy went there in 1976, the coldest Winter recorded in 100 years! I was a Firefighter. I never warmed up. Slept in my parka! Now I'm in Northwestern New Mexico. I never learned huh? The North/South wind is a blowin' hard right now. Still cant get warm. 😅
Great job Dave , alot of that wood isn't good for much . Good call and hope things are worked out with the guy you are under contract too. Looks like you'll stay busy all winter. Stay safe and keep up the great videos and have fun with them too. Fred.
I enjoy the practicality of modern equipment alongside of hand tools and old craftsmanship.
the mud wagon looks like another fire wood pile you're going to save, looking forward to seeing the steps
Expert craftsmanship deserves better quality of wood for the project. "No use putting lipstick on a pig." The finish project carries your name.
Jeep body shell looks to have a side fuel filler, so maybe Willys MC rather than WW2. I remember seeing the hood sitting in the shop.
The jack you use on the steam bender looks like an early jeep jack too. Don't think we don't recognise these things. 8-)
I was watchin you unwrap those 2 piles of oak I presume & was thinkin you must have bought it pretty cheap w/all the checks cracks & splits. I used to build driftboats for a fishing outfitter On Middle Fork Salmon in Idaho and guide for him w/ my boat . That river will test a boat. Building those boats required quality material . My boats held up because they were built with good material the right way. Your reputation is only as good as your last boat. I can see from your videos that you build quality into your projects for your customers, It looks like you have a couple years work on customers orders when you can get to it. You have a well earned Rep. Thanks for the video. Sorry I been so windy. I used to carpenter a little. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
I don't know anything about wood, but when I watched you examine that lumber, I said to myself..."that wood looks terrible...!". I wasn't surprised at all you rejected it!
If I understand right, the Caterpillar name started out as a model of tracked vehicle sold by Holt / Best, and the logo on these early units was the name arranged to look like a caterpillar!
Yep, that's basically what I remember of the company history.
I am 80+, yes I remember the wriggly writing. Greetings from Australia.
It’s a real pain in the butt to start a big difficult project only to find you were sent unusable materials! I’ve sent back 100s of boards that wouldn’t have lasted long enough. Ash is strong, but from just seeing the cracks and knots, to get enough straight grain usable pieces, this bulk ain’t got it! The mud wagon it it. ❤️ from your buddy to the south. Thanxz
Very interesting. When I was a small boy, there was a ranch next door and one of the sons left to work in Hollywood as a Wheelwright. This was in the 1950's so there was a big need for wheelwrights with all of the western movies and TV shows going on. Last I heard, he was still teaching the skill to new people in classes near Escondido and he was in his 80's. He also learned and taught blacksmithing. He learned all of this from men who did this for a living around 1900 so it was pretty much authentic training from first hand experts. Too bad most of this skill has been lost.
Read your good comment. I carpentered for a little while & started building Driftboats & there were a few that really helped me & some very tight lipped. Looks like your ex neighbor ran into some good people down there & passed some of that craft on to the next generation
As always. You are very interesting to listen to
Looks like you are outgrowing your shop. Also, love the old school 4runner!
looking forward to a couple more amazing projects Dave, thanks for sharing.
I suspect they might have used a spokeshave - it's in the name, you know.
@@nicolek4076 Maybe you posted a reply to the wrong comment?
@@poorfesor You're right. Someone was asking how spokes were shaped "back in the day". Thanks for the nudge.
I agree, you got a lot of nice fire wood. I am not a grader of wood but that stuff was poor quality from the start. I have cherry in my neck of the woods and I always wonder if that kind of wood would make a good box for a wagon. We also have some popular and iron wood as well. But again I am not a wheelwright like you.
Good luck on the projects
I can't wait to see the dodged hub wheels built!
That will be very interesting to see!
Looks like you're going to need a spare tank of L.P. for the fork lift.
Hub weight with out spokes and rivets blew my mind.
Very talented driving on that Alliance.
I did 20 years on fork lift in tight spaces and your skills really shine.
I will be very interested to see the mud wagon being rebuilt.
I love to learn from someone that knows what he is doing. I thought to myself would I use that wood if it were the size I used to turn on the lathe I would sure have to pressure glue it for the work I do. I am so glad you are rejecting it instead of trying to use bad wood. Great idea for fire wood.
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Hello Dave,
You are very fortunate to have access to all the old true wrought iron wagon tires out in back of your shop. Anything in todays iron,( less that 100 years old) is most likely mild steel and not as easy to work with.
Dave uses new iron a lot of the time, and doesn't seem to have any issues with it. It rolls fine, and welds very well. But, I agree with you on how much "old" iron he has.
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And why is that?
@@dwightl5863 It's got a dead cylinder!
@@waynepegram3262 Ok if you say so.
Kindling wood for sure ja those hubs are humongous Dave have a day love from TEXAS
That mud wagon might do with a spot of touch-up paint... :O
Hi Dave and Diane ☺, neat bit of forklift driving in the shop, but all the effort to pull out those pallets of wood wasn't worth it when we got a close up look.Thats a sorry looking pile of firewood they sent you, someone at the other end got ripped off, or had no idea what was required for that job, either way I'd reject the whole lot, not worth the risk as you said, it's your time and reputation that's at stake here . The sheeted up prodject you brought in is intriguing, we'll just have to wait and see ,lol. Cheers Dave, thanks for the video, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Very good show.
Looking forward to the new projects.
Looking forward to the jeep project
Before Ben Holt moved to California, he and his family operated a business selling hardwoods in New England.
Ben was sent to California to set up a business outlet for the families hardwoods products.
The rest, as they say, is history.
You're definitely right about rejecting much of that lumber. It doesn't matter how good the quality of the work is if the quality of the material is bad.
Dave, how do you normally go about ordering your lumber? Is it always project specific? Would be very interested in hearing/seeing how you do your calculations on what you need.
Keep up the good work!
for sure !
Thanks for sharing
Thanks Dave
Good call on the wood quality...I was twitching seeing all the defects!
Yes some persons really don’t know about wood , as for myself most of it were firewood if not all .
What I do to prevent cracking is I put my planks , beams or whole tree in my lake for 2 years , hater is very cold and mostly alway in shadow , the wood suck the water and chase the sap then I use my sawmill and I let the wood air dry .
And thanks for you, Dave.
I found a guy over at AT Restoration who does your thing, but on furniture. Between the two of you, I am filling my brain with more knowledge than I will ever be able to use. But that's the GOOD thing, no?
If you don't already follow, look up Thomas Johnson. He also restores furniture.
Forward planning or spinning plates is a great skill but sometimes the best laid plans etc conspire to bite your nether regions! Keep up the good work.
Enjoyed the video Dave. I thought as you were sorting through the material that there just wasn't very many good pieces that didn't have checks and splits. Thanks for the video. Y'all take care and God bless.
To know your craft well its knowing what NOT to do.. thanks for letting us follow along..cheers
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Works for me. I have a soft spot for mud wagons anyway. Hey, do you follow Squatch253? He's working on an early Caterpillar and has located a cab for it. The cab is built very similarly to many trade carriages I've seen, like delivery wagons and horse drawn school busses. It might be interesting to see what knowledge the pair of you could share on that cab.
Could that wood have been in better shape if it were dried more slowly or evenly? Was it just random log (chunks) that someone milled and never really seasoned?
Love the Warning Chime for the Door height! Those forks make quick work of a door frame or o/h door. Some of those (half) big ones looked like firewood to me! Good choice to Stop Work Order this project. Those are massive Hubs. Tapered Roller Bearings?
All but a few pieces looked like firewood to me. I'm surprised you even planed it!
16:48 - Deserves? Sounds more like "demands"..
Very interesting didn’t have any idea those hubs weighed that much be careful with your back on those hubs and hope you get it sorted out great project
Huh where is the frame for that old military Jeep body?
Can’t wait to see the stagecoach come to life.
Hello Dave, Holt and Best both built combined harvesters. Tractors came along to replace the mules that pulled the harvesters. That's a simplified version.
It looks to me that the wood in question is California Black Oak. I have milled a bunch in 4/4 but have had very limited success with anything thicker. I suspect that Holt imported eastern red oak or possibly white oak for use in these wheels. Just my opinion.
WEll I was looking at the quality of those pieces of wood as you were handling them and I have on clue on what to do with them. but even I would have rejected them. A small hair line crack is one thing. but those splits and cracks were about ready to split in half on their own, let alone be under stresss in a build/ part. Be interesting to hear the outcome of that one. But still and interesting video to see how you handle and shuffle things around. thanks for sharing ! ECF
You are absolutely correct to say the least. The sawyer should be switched with a good hickory stick. Barely meets the requirements for firewood.
All starts with the material. I have had to dig a lot to get to do some projects at the hardwood specialty outlets for small projects. How many times more difficult it is on your scale.
Had no idea, but so interesting to hear of the simple beginnings of what today is a modern global corporation like CAT.
First time I have seen the beginning of one of your restorations, although I use that very loosely, wagons. I would assume the hardware will be the only part salvageable from the bin on the stage coach. At least I have to take your word on what it is or should I say was.
It looks like you have the body of a CJ5 under the tarp. Thanks very much for sharing.
Perhaps it's been discussed in an earlier video, but if not I would appreciate a discussion of what species of wood are suitable for wheels. Historically there has been a lot of discussion on the Model T Ford forums regarding the merits of Hickory (high ultimate strength AND a high work of fracture) vs. Oak (high ultimate strength, but quite a bit lower work of fracture, tends to shatter if overloaded).
So the Deacon inquired of the village folk
Where he could find the strongest oak,
That couldn't be split nor bent nor broke,-
That was for spokes and floor and sills;
He sent for lancewood to make the thills;
The crossbars were ash, from the straightest trees;
The panels of white-wood, that cuts like cheese,
But lasts like iron for things like these;
The hubs of logs from the “Settler's ellum,”
Last of its timber,-they couldn't sell 'em,-
...... excerpted from THE WONDERFUL “ONE-HOSS-SHAY”
By Oliver Wendell Holmes
I, for one, would like to see Dave make a video where he sits by the woodstove in a smoking jacket and reads the poem.
B4 u begin I thought b nice end this absolutely insane Friday with sum down home country sanity..I need sanity at the moment..
A job worth doing is worth doing right.
The reclaimed guardrail posts in your last video looked better than some of that wood
The work you do never ceases to amaze me, those hubs you were weighing, can you still buy those as new castings or were those original antique parts, I was just wondering?
Old originals.
looking forward to that steel under the tarp
But they did send you some usable firewood for the winter! 🙂
Dave, what species was that lumber you had to reject? Is one type of lumber better than others for wheels and such, or would you be able to choose from different types as long as it is sound?
Wow!? It is hard to believe someone who can mill lumber sent / or allowed this firewood to be sent to you to build a wheel? People need to understand the amount of work that goes into just selecting/prepping a living material (wood) to create with. I believe this lumber was sent wet. Keeping it in plastic may not have helped, depending on the environment it was stored in and the weight of the plastic. Hope this works out. Always enjoy the videos. (JF)
I read that in Sweden, old wheelmakers used Sorbus intermedia (density 0,6) for the centerpiece. Any thoughts on that?
Agree about your wood inspection. I would not use most of it for much less structural projects. Thanks.
If you've never seen one of those large Holt tree arches they are pretty impressive pieces of equipment.
Thanks for the name.
Silas Overpack made the first big wheels in Michigan in 1875. It was made for a farmer who was doing some logging.
What type of wagon would take those dual carriage wheels? Never seen that before