So what tied Twickenham? | England vs New Zealand | Autumn Nations Series 2022
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Sometimes it’s tricky to know how to feel about a tie. This Saturday, after an enormously impressive first 40 by the All Blacks, England clicked in a way not seen for three years- So what did we learn about the two teams, and how should they each feel after a bizarre 25-25 day?
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Was at this game, when England scored their first try, turned to my dad and said "only two converted tries and we draw. Yeah, 2 converted tries in 8 minutes, that's definitely do able..." the universe really undermined my sarcasm
Lebron James like statement
Nobody need have worried, there were some crusaders players who are at conspiracy theory level for their unfounded favour lavished upon them by NZ rugby journalists. Richie starting, David at all, Codie being on the field for more than 40 minutes. It's a bias but, then again New Zealand has to signal their virtues and favour the heartbroken Christchurch people.
😂😂😂
I was there aswell and had this exact conversation with my brother 😂
@@CeaselessDetritus wtf.
at this point I look forward to Squidge vids more than the actual tests. Great content as usual! Cheers from Korea!
Tell us more about Korean rugby!
Oh yes 🤣🤣🤣
Me too
Get more 한국사람 on the rugby field my guy
The lineout that was past the 15 was definitely planned by England you can see they are past the 15 before cowan-dickie threw the ball. Just a good read by Papali'i
This likely came from video analysis of England by coaching staff rather than a spur of the moment decision
They did it later in the game too
They have been doing this forever, it means they can take the ball basically on the gain line instead of back 10.
Surprised squidge didn’t stop this as he made a previous video about how they attack off the line out.
I guess flankers normally wouldn’t attack the ball because it would usually go straight to tuilagi and if they miss the ball then it leave him acres to run into
Papali'i was still offside
@@rufusjones3488 Agree, he still looks to be a few metres offside to me because of how far he has run before the ball has passed the 15m line. Excellent read still, likely based on analysis as others have said, but a more vigilant TMO would have disallowed this try I think
Every time I watch your videos i am blown away with your ability to share something I could never even see. You Sir Squidge are a genius .
The other day when Simmonds said England were only about 5% off for the whole game I scoffed. This analysis has made me rethink that slightly.
Fantastic video Squidge! The way you've analysed England's attack was fascinating, and you seem to get it so well that you made it really easy to understand as well ! Here's to hoping for some more game analyses. I'm personally hoping for the Georgia game or the france/Italy vs Australia
His explanations are so good I can even fool myself that understand what he's talking about.
Ahahaha that Wicklow reference was excellent, 10/10
He tails it everytime
Can you explain the reference?
@@jameswheeldon4691 Josh van de Flier was born in Wicklow yet often gets mistaken for a SA import, from rugby-fans-not-in-the-know. I think..
I heard that, and was like "this is going to be a van der Flier joke, isn't it?" But still had to google where van Portfliet was born to check...
@@jameswheeldon4691 It's a recurring joke in Squidge Rugby videos that Josh van der Flier (from Wicklow) is actually South African, because of his Dutch surname and the fact a fair few South African born players go and play for NH teams
4:40 That Youngs joke had me cackling
15:02 got me good
Just wanna say as an England fan in the latest O2 Next Level video we saw the class of the All Blacks as people, not just as players. I don't know why but it really moves me to see Beauden Barrett having a good chat with Farrell and his kids after seeing them as rivals since JWC. Same with Whitelock and getting the NZ boys to present him with a bottle of NZs finest wine.
Regardless of what people think of Farrell to see the respect, the class, and the generosity of All Blacks players post-game is really moving and is a big part of this sport after the whistle has blown
That is cool :))
Well said
Kiwis are gentlemen and sportsmen of the absolute top draw... well at least their rugby players are. Great Nation.
Farrell is a top bloke. Thanks for this comment Im watching the o2 vid now.
Every Caleb Clarke reference had me giggling like a little fiend
Great analysis and I think you rightly point out that England aren’t out of contention for the World Cup. However, this review felt very one sided. I understand your glowing review of England’s structure but I do think it’s important for you to have stressed a bit more the fact that it was against 14 men after the 70th minute at which point there’s naturally a lot more space to exploit and tires bodies. Don’t think that’s enough to say that “it clearly works” and is a World Cup winner. Will be interesting to see what happens in the 6 nations!
It was working before NZ went down to 14 though, as he stated. Then the yellow came directly from an incisive attack vs 15 players.
England are underated as potential world cup winners for the simple reason that they have by far the easiest schedule out of all the real favorites. Poule D will be a lot of fun and Argentina and Japan will be very dangerous but losing to both of them would be a major shock. Then there is a quarter final against a team from a historically weak group. Wales and Australia are looking poor and nobody would be surprised if Georgia or Fiji qualify for the knockout stage. After that follows a semi final against a team that comes from the side of the schedule that has all the other "big" teams and will have had much tougher games. At that point in the competition attrition is a big factor. So England can easily reach the final without needing to play exceptional rugby or actually be one of the two best teams in the competition. Furthermore: no Eddy Jones team has ever underperformed at a World Cup, so the will be well prepared.
@@liamriddy358 but they were losing....
Can you imagine how England might have actually been come the world cup when Eddie has 3 months to get them all in line prior. Makes me so sad he got sacked. If England don't make it out the group then Sweeny should be sacked.
Loved the video! As a kiwi I'm a bit sad that you spent more time discussing England's comeback than the comeback actually lasted, but that's me being a salty lad.
Bloody great test. Both teams showed they're genuine threats and that they're peaking at the right time, whereas I feel Ireland, France and South Africa ended their years on a downswing.
Ireland didn't have a great game against Aus but they looked damn good in the others.
They've got a real all round game.
England attack structure is definitely bewildering. I think England will work it out just before the opposition do... could be devastating.
@@DanA-fk6tl that's fair. If anything the Ireland game cemented how badly Ireland rely on Sexton. They're going to need to manage him well coming upto the world cup
@@DanA-fk6tlAgreed on both points. I personally think Ireland are the dark horses coming into the WC… England are starting to show some of that new attacking style and I’m excited, looks more creative and responsive than before. If it clicks it could be something special.
I think Ireland and France are definitely peaking at the wrong time. It's less of an issue for France, they're the host nation, playing insanely well with great defence and have a wealth of young talent (even if Ntamack and Dupont have been average by their standards, they still beat Aus and RSA playing very poorly). Ireland are similar but they didn't look that convincing in any of their 3 matches, I suspect they could drop 1 or 2 games during the 6 Nations. I actually think South Africa are in a good place and will always be good in a World Cup in France, particularly if they sort out their fly-half and find someone who can actually slot goals. Providing Etzebeth, Marx and co play like freaks, their physicality will be very threatening.
@Nathan
I’m English but you make very good point. I understand that the discussion on England achieving an incredible draw, it does not really cover just how good the All Blacks played for the majority of the game . I thought it was the best Al Black performance this year. I thought it was a real statement that the All Blacks are on the right track for the RWC It was so great as an English fan to see players like Retallick and Whitelock at Twickenham. Ardie Savea was magnificent as was Papalii. I liked Moo’unga too what a player.
Ultimately England we were lucky to get the draw, however that is sport.
I wish England could play the All Blacks more often. The last 5 games between the 2sides have all been close. It’s a fantastic fixture we all look forward to.
Your content is consistently amazing Squid but I think this might be my favourite video ever. Thanks for all that you do
First team to hire this guy as an analyst wins the world cup..
My question is, did England run these lines throughout the game, or only with the man advantage? Because THAT would be an absolute masterstroke. And leave many teams wanting if employed only when they're a man down...and give a really strong chance at the RWC.
This weekend I'll be watching for that, especially against the Springbok defence.
It's pretty sad to watch this now that Eddie Jones is out. Next year's World Cup has lost one of its biggest contenders.
He don't miss! Another Squidge classic, I knew he'd love that Steward try, was an amazing team score
you have to do wales vs georgia match review its a must do
My favourite part of this video is how slowly but surely Squidge is using Joe Schmidt as the default brain and real head coach behind the all blacks. Fosters strategies, however few they are, barely get a mention
Just need to ensure NZ only play with 14. 🤔,
The final 10min strategy from England worked when the all blacks were down a player.
This wasn’t mentioned
Great video. I thought I was going mad because it was obvious to me that we were in absolutely no position to mount a serious attack off the final play. It was clear as day that we'd give away a penalty, most likely for holding on, and go down to a heartbreaking defeat. Yeah, you bet NZ wanted us to go for the win....
Englands attack looks like the perfect anti-rush defence tool.
NZ don't use the rush defence
Really fluffing that English subscriber base hard now, huh?
The ABs were a shambles for most of the match; kicked poorly, erratic in attack and patchy on defense, still England couldn't score a point, or even look like getting any for long stretches. Neither of Will Stuart's tries would've stood outside Twickenham (even he knew he dropped the second one),, and if not for Raynal's fussy and increasingly baffling interventions, Barrett's yellow in final minutes and a shoddy showing by NZs bench, the ABs could well have left HQ with a 30-point win.
Eddie's masterplan may be ingenious, but there's scant evidence that the team have either the brains, the talent or the discipline to execute it under any conditions besides a wide open field. The examples shown against Italy rather reinforce this idea, as do their defeats against Australia and Argentina. Far from being compelling evidence of impending English world cup honors, it suggests they may have a battle not emulate their 2015 counterparts.
I was at the millennium stadium watching Wales Vs NZ and in the warm up the ABs made a deliberate effort of sliding as far as possible before forming a ruck on each carry. I didn't think much of it at the time but it seems a good way to guarantee a few extra metres and quick ball with good presentation.
This is an obvious proof that Farrell is in no way holding Smith back! Smith has some character he has just to show it in a boldly way like he did priot to England first try. I think he has even unlocked Farrell potential as an attacking 12 since both switch as 10 and 12!
Just here waiting for the Springbok v England video !!!!
I think we need an update...
A laws question. With the lineout, I thought the defence aren't allowed to advance until the ball has passed the 15mtr line? Or do our players in the lineout allow them to advance by crossing the 15mtr? Dalton Papalii starts his run just after the ball is thrown.
In the comments , the line out was over since the ball went past 15m on an over throw
@@JeffCampbell2016 yes it did eventually go over the 15mtr line. But the defence was moving just as it left the hookers hand because he could see it was going to be over thrown. So technically offside as the ball had not passed 15mtr.
Will you do Italy vs Australia?
Some of this analysis of the England attack reminds me of Squidge's commentary on NZ in 2019 against Ireland, the ever changing structures interplaying forwards and backs. Interesting to wonder if Eddie Jones got some inspiration from that as he orchestrated them out of the semis
15 v14 is always going to be a help.
Great video, Squidge. Don’t know how you have the patience to trawl through England matches tho - I’m English and couldn’t watch the men’s team in such detail. But damn good effort.
You could certainly see what England are building, but my worry is it took NZ to go down to 14 players for it to work against one of the top teams. Time will tell how this plays out in the six nations. I’m already excited for it!
There were 2 or 3 overlaps against NZ in their 22 that Squidge doesn't mention. Both Farrell and Smith calling for the ball with their hands in the air and not getting it. So the attack would have worked more, but the forwards kept having one carry too many (at least). This is an Eddie Jones learning for me. He is so gainline obsessed that the players aren't thinking, +1 metre is considered a victory regardless of scenario. I also think the strategy in the 22, until the last 10 minutes, was very predictable. Attempt a maul, move nowhere, 5 phases of forwards bash until they give away a pen or NZ get a turnover...which annoyed English forwards who then gave away a pen. They just need to trust the backs and the system more and move the ball once they have go forward. They showed they can do it in the last 10. If they did it more often in the 22, it could have been a 10 point + victory against NZ.
@@jakemiddleton5266 true. lots for them still to learn and figure out, but the pieces are starting to fall into place so that's definitely something to be positive about.
@@jakemiddleton5266 lmao your reaching if you think england could have won 10+. Nz were dominating and missed atleast 3tries
This was karma for the Black Ferns XV beating the English Roses XIV in the Women's World Cup Final at Eden Park last week. Fossie said great things happen with Beaudie at the back. Including yellow cards it has to be said. But I'm just a fan. I had to stop watching the game after Beaudie went off with All Blacks sitting on a big lead. Imagine my fury at the All Blacks for blowing that lead. Later I gave them credit for holding 80, 000 English fans at Bay 470 minutes in the same way red roses held 42,000 Black Ferns fans at bay for 60 mins. Sometimes the 16th player can help out when it's really needed. I love Squidge but I was dreading this like a dreading All Black fan. This was a great watch and always great to hear a non New Zealand view as cogent as yours. During the women's world cup my wife became a Squidge fan.
@@lost_boy interesting question. 2023 England Vs Ireland & France at 6 Nations Cup
Would love to see you do one of these videos on a referee. Bring some clarity around what they're doing to improve (and sometimes degrade) the game
Great vid and insight! Wales vs Aus and Eng vs SA next please!
Probably helped that they where against 14 men tho
I personally think England made the best decision here. Because an almost win against the All Blacks will always be seen as a loss on any stat record so if they had decided to go for a couple more points, it could have easily lost them the match.
However, a draw against the ABs is not common and is also seen as an achievement. When people go to see this rarity on replays or highlights they will then watch the match and realise that on the 70th minute England were sitting at 6-25 which will then show them up to being even more amazing against the All Blacks.
If however England had lost the match, the game would have fallen into the archives of more matches ABs won and would not have had any attention drawn to it, despite the impressive last 10 minutes.
Thus Smith made the right decision.
I was really impressed with England in this game with some really good individual performances, with Marcus Smith in particular impressing. I'm not normally a fan of England's attacking approach but can really get behind this brand of rugby we got a peek of.
I literally burst out laughing on the office floor when I heard the Van Poortvliet was "actually born in Wicklow". This gag is has more legs every day and I LOVE IT
definitely one for the long term listeners too - love it....
So, Eddie's been given the boot. What now?
I may be wrong but when LCD throws that ball at the lineout, the jumper is already over the 15m line so not sure how it's an over throw
He hit his man perfectly as far as I can see...
Amazing analysis Squidger. Thanks. In 20 mins Ive learned alot about formations and how significant they are/could be in terms of strategy. Mesmerising! No wonder they're always talking about how important it is to get the time together as a team. Was this what EJ has up his sleeve? What about his trouser leg?
Upload the wales Georgia analysis please and your verdict on Wayne Pivac
Great analysis & heartening to see England using such variations.
This is a moment in sport were the players can take a real example of what not to do.
Players need to understand saving a try is not worth a sin bin
I only skimmed video but saw no analysis here of that infringement. There is a case that Barrett was not the tackler and had every right.
@@actiaint defin8ly coz it will takeaway from the England team gtn nothing till the 70th min
It definitely is worth it though.
Most of the time, a sinbin does not result in a 14-point swing.
All blacks were just particularly terrible at adapting.
@@filthymutt6029 4 sure and England honestly just ripped the all-blacks 2 pieces in the last tbh congrads 2 them
I absolutely love Suidge's micro-analysis of parts of the game that I easily miss whilst watching live, really makes you realise how much thinking goes on on a rugby pitch.
Also I think the decision to take the draw by Smith was absolutely correct and remember thinking about exactly what Squidge said about how England were set after that re-start was re-gathered. I was very confused about the vocal outpouring to the contrary over social media. Realistically given the positiong on the field and where the England players are when Smith get's the ball, the only outcome other than Smith kicking it out is a NZ turnover or more likely penalty and 3 points at the death.
At the time I really wanted us to play on and win the game, but since the ref was pinging everybody at the breakdown I think it makes sense to kick out, if they think they're gonna get pinged.
What ? No Wales v Georgia review ? 😂
to think what could've been if eddie had been allowed to stay on until after the world cup
yea its so sad, coming back to this after england's win against ireland and very very close loss (was never a no arms tackle) against france.i think borthwick has demonstrated we needed new blood after eddie but just thinking what could have been at the world cup, (even though we came 3rd), just makes me so sad.
looking back at this now i genuinely think we would have had a good shot at winning, but it was probably for the best eddie ended up going, perhaps a year too early, and after the wc, but it cant be helped. with borthwick i would of happily taken a bad six nations this year to get this years results next year.
(i think eddie is trying to get revenge, deliberately losing to wales in the wc to try place second in order to knock england out, and again the japan job just as England go visit them to show us what could have been)
i don't think we have seen anything of this intensity since at except for possibly the france sa game, which to be honest i think the french have nicked some of the tactics england used in the last 10 and used them then, also seen in this years six nations england france game by the french once again.
Ok, that Ioane advert you did for Squarespace was possibly the best on YT
Subtle Van der Flier joke at 3:51
17:55 the comment about Farrell passing early, he did this because he was in open space and his ankle was cooked. he knew he couldn't do anything himself. he could jog in a straight line but couldn't step or sprint.
If the "This video is sponsored by Squarespace - the Antoine Dupont of websites" ISNT changed to the "...Josh Van der Flier of websites"... I will unsubscribe Squidge!
Nice Van Der Flier reference thrown in there!
Yep, a REAL Irishman! Has he gone home yet?
I promise you Eddie Jones or someone in the England camp is watching these Squidge analysis videos because they're so fucking good informative and well put together. I promise you 100 percent professional international teams will be watching these videos and learning something.
Great job Squidge
Ha ha, I just spit my coffee out at "born in Wicklow".
No comment on the very harsh yellow on Barrett; the off the ball on Moanga that allowed the first of the three in 9mins.
Or the missed yellow/red card for genge’s no arms head on head on whitelock.
I thought the yellow was pretty clear. Why should Squide mention it ? I didn’t see the incident on Whitelock , I thought it was a really good hard test.
@@patrickchilds2987 what for not releasing? Listen to the to commentary for starters, Flatman “not entirely sure what Barrett’s done wrong here”. Missed yellow/red was in the first half about 20-25mins in from memory. Genge and Billy make a tackle and Genge doesn’t wrap and collides heads with whitelock. Crazy the TMO misses it, the crowd groaned.
.. sponsored by Squarespace : the Josh van der Flier of websites builders
thank you Mr Squidge for the efforts, your rugby trained brain and explanations in you sharing, I decided i can only watch and half or 3/4ths understand your vids by playback at 0.75 speed now they making more sense (gradually) - cheers
Your videos are absolutely brilliant. Don't stop making them!
Do you think they'll use their new attacking structures against South Africa? Do you think South Africa's defensive system will handle it?
smith is the closest we'll ever see the Philippines in the rugby world cup
A coward move by england kicking it out! NZ would have fought to the end to get the win even if they ended up losing! cowards
Every time the Eddie haters get in my head, there's another Squidge vid to give me hope!
can you please do Scotland Argentine or Scotland all blacks
Post-game comment after S.A.'s win - So Eddies Jones did use again his new "2 pods" offensive tactic after all, and was visibly outsmarted by the South-African staff. S.A. defence adapted and prevented that play to click on the pitch. It was maybe doomed to happen, especially against good defences (and 2022 All Black defences is really bad), as it is very new. However, you don't win a game with one or 2 tricks - which seems to be the trademark of E.J.'s coaching - you need a global game strategy. S.A. has one and is adding new dimensions to it, France has one even if it lacks (or maybe they, actually, hide part of it), Ireland of course has one too. England, like New-Zealand, seems at lost. Now the World Cup is in ten month and N.H. countries will have the 6 Nations T. to hone their tactics and strategy. And who knows, England is quite lucky to start the World Cup in a very weak pool, and they may have just 2 difficult games to win their 2nd trophy. E.J. gimmicks might be enough after all. I still really hope that we'll see England potential being tap into, because, Ugh, it is such a shame to see those brilliant players playing this kind of rugby.
"The All Blacks have the most skilled forwards in the world."
Since when?
Malcom Marx, Steven Kitshoff, Eben Ezebeth, Siya Kolisi would all beg to differ...
"So what tied Twickenham?"
Our ABs being as useless as tits on a bull.
They haven't got a DOG'S SHOW of winning the World Cup.
"Foster's Flops" will probably not even make it out of the pool.
Ha Ha! Jack van Poortvliet born in Wicklow, Ireland! Himself and Josh van der Flier both from the 'Little Amsterdam' ghetto in Wicklow town!
This analysis is simply wish-fulfilling proselytising at this point! The constant digs at Clarke (NZ winger?) is both unnecessary but also undermines the excruciating extolling of Marcus Smith - who may well be deserving but is now just fan-girling!
I love what you do Squidge but after this Autumn I sadly can't believe in Eddie's England masterminding a RWC win. Semis is our limit.
Only with the omnipresent Beauden B. carded and the assumption that we'd already lost could we lay a glove on a tired third-gear AB's at Twickenham.
Great analysis, but lets be honest, the All blacks defended poorly in the last 10 mins and didn't adjust to being down a man which resulted in Englands tries.. The ABs subs didn't perform and were out-muscled by Englands replacements. The refs decision to disallow the Reiko try for a "neck roll" was extremely lucky for England, if that's allowed its game over before the second half. It was edge of the seat rugby making it a great game to watch.
This evolving England side reminds me of the springboks’Coetzee Era… their system is too fragile and overly complicated🤷🏻♂️
England were pants for 71 mins yet dominate this video. Bigly sad. They were also playing 15 v 14.
Having said that, we, (NZ), have the worst coach in tier 1 rugby.
Squidge be giving away teams gameplans.
The draw has to leave a sour taste in England's mouth, surely. On the verge of completing an epic comeback and instead they opt to kick it out.What for? Just to make sure they didn't "technically" lose? What does that say about their confidence and self-belief? Kinda gutless.
"Youngs first pass picked off by William Webb-ellis" very well done @squidge 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love your analysis, but after 2 years, I’m thinking of unsubscribing, due to the ‘clever’ interleaved Fourspace crap
It's a little known fact, but Squidge is not actually a brand of washing up liquid as his name suggests, he was actually born in Wicklow, just next to Van Poortvliet's house
Everything after the yellow card is a waste of time trying rationalise the English defence. I think the Boks just showed that the English attack is only good when the stars align. Unfortunatly for that to happen for a full 90 without the defence suffering from a yellow or red card is near impossible. Egland will be lucky to get a P3 in the 6 nations
Your biased views dont include a Northern hemisphere refs whistle happy, momentum killing performance. You failed to also mention the detruction of the english forward pack.
South africa deserved the win better side on the day but that Eben try that was given was very poor by the officiating team. a knock on, offside and playing the ball from the ground take your choice - can only immagine the expletives that would be comming from the SA coach if that were against him.
NZ dominated England for 70mins during that hole time England never looked like scoring until that yellow card but credit to England for taking advantage but come on you decided to kick out for a draw, yeah people say it was a great comeback from England and that they didn’t give up and did well to get the draw, I disagree they did give up because they didn’t want to win the game, it should of been practice for a knock out game but looks like England don’t have that winning mentality and would rather settle for a draw🤔
Exceptional as always. I can't find the Wales v Georgia video though. Could you post the link please.
Amazing breakdown of the game & so well communicated. Thank you
You get it, you understand Eddie's mindset, not many do. Great analysis.
JVP was born in Norfolk it says right there on his wikipedia page, not sure where you're getting the Wicklow information from?
Squid who are you? Just found your channel, flippin great stuff, i realise i know fak all about ruggas after nearly 40 yrs of the game.
What's the deal with slamming this (excellent) video out within a week of the test but we get radio silence on the woman's rugby world cup final?
Good stuff Squidge- appreciated as ever
For us kiwis, a draw will always feel like a loss. I'd have much more respect for England if they'd given it a go.
With respect, this is nonsense. England are not on the cusp of some great attacking play. We are currently conceding more than we ever have before, scoring less than we ever have and went into negative points difference for the first time ever in the 6N. We look like we could be finishing this year with more losses than wins for the first time in ages. Jones is not on the verge of some great breakthrough, he has utterly destroyed the team.
You know why they kicked it dead? They didnt want that braindead referee to penalize them for passing the ball in a manner he did not approve of, gifting the game to NZ.
The Saffer hiding that England got proves the draw flattered England, given they scored all those points while the AB's were a man down.
Lad stop excusing jvp performance he was brutal. He’s a grown man and doesn’t need the sugarcoating
I didn't understand the complaints about the draw. The result was due to the card. You can't take a risk with the all blacks in the dying seconds because that's their time.
England were eight to accept the draw and should be grateful it was a blow out like it could have been had beauden stayed active
"...like an apple in the worlds worst fruit salad..." I love you squidge(s)
Just an idea squidge... maybe you should hush up a bit and stop giving the other teams decent analysis on our game??? ;)
What’s with the thinly veiled hate for the all blacks? Not a proper Welshman if you like the English more than the kiwis 😂
Hey Squidge, can you please do a video on Portugal qualifying for the RWC?