At first I was intrigued at this idea but it's really just a replacement for a replacement lol. And if someone did want to stop vaping nicotine while still "vaping" they can just vape without it and just vape PG/VG.
@@Coulrophobia29 even in the context of this game alone, even going fourth, how is casting Pollywog, who will only trigger on 0 drop non creature spells, better than casting remora, which would trigger on ANY non creature spell and would have triggered many times in the game, probably drawing interaction? Speaking generally, in my experience, the frog has been severely underwhelming.
True, but that's not the point of MOK. He's there as insurance late game. Allows the deck to run some strange lines that can be recurred by escaping enchantments in the late game. The deck basically plays as though it has an underworld breach for enchantments in the command zone at all times.
ob "list" updated to 13 oct but with still mana crypt jeweled lotus and dockside? i know the video are recorded preban but i want to know what you choose instead this 3 cards!!! btw najeela and ob link are inverted
This is probably "personal choice" but the deck trackers that are being used are embedded with tracking links as well. I can't open them up as a regular link in a new tab and instead have to ask it to not track me in order to open them up. If possible can you use a more user-friendly deck tracker instead?
I really wish they banned thoracle. I think it would add some more diversity to decks. feels like it doesn't matter what the commander does, just as long as it has dimir colors in it.
@@savagestreamin1031 I don't mind decks having staples. I just don't like 3-4 mana with two cards and no setup or synergy required to win the game. everything folds to a counterspell. doesn't mean they are not good.
You treat MOK as an underworld breach in the command zone. You're not always gonna play him, but when you do, it's because you're going off. I got into a couple win lines that didn't require it, so I didn't cast him. But he's still important to some of the other win lines in the deck.
Master of Keys does nothing better than any other Esper commander does. It almost never comes into play and when it does its just a "mana outlet" that doesnt win on the spot.
While you're not wrong that this deck can win without MOK easily, the point of keeping it as commander is as a backup win condition, as you can use it to escape animate dead, etc to continue thoracle win lines.
Same, it sucks ass. I hoped MOK would do some cool stuff like endlessly replay Mystic Remora, escape dress down etc. Instead it's just esper goodstuff and MOK only ever comes into play if you got infinite mana due to a diskitten line.
Pretty disappointing games, tbh. A couple of the commanders never got cast and both games ended with the same Thoracle combo line. Seems like a great video to use as support for banning Thoracle
Oh woooow Commander at a faster pace!! Nothing competitive here! Just some person winning on turn three or four! Wooow I also got to see 10 cards from the deck! 😂
The people crying for a Thoracle completely forgot what happened a couple of weeks ago already. If y'all want to play downgraded cEDH, yall can do so. Let everyone else play the format the way they want to. I'm absolutely tired of bannings. That's why I personally moved to cEDH from 60 card formats.
I agree but like this previous wave of banned cards, I don't believe it will solve the overarching problem. Thassa is the most streamlined but there is several other hold priority wincons. Also, if Thassa gets banned people will revert to lab maniac. Wincons are less of a problem vs fast mana which I agree the committee should tackle fast mana first.
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At first I was intrigued at this idea but it's really just a replacement for a replacement lol. And if someone did want to stop vaping nicotine while still "vaping" they can just vape without it and just vape PG/VG.
Why he fetched beseech?
@@alessio84ap So he could put it into his hand specifically vs casting it from exile. Omniscience only makes spells from your hand cast for free.
Favoring polywhog over mystic remora enough to pitch the latter to a mox to cast the former was an "interesting" choice.
Have not been overly impressed with pollywog so far
@@Coulrophobia29 even in the context of this game alone, even going fourth, how is casting Pollywog, who will only trigger on 0 drop non creature spells, better than casting remora, which would trigger on ANY non creature spell and would have triggered many times in the game, probably drawing interaction?
Speaking generally, in my experience, the frog has been severely underwhelming.
@@rodolfolazo7638frog only really good turn one or 2 with an immediate evolve trigger otherwise yeah remora waaaay better
Probably doing it for the content? So people can see the best case pollywog
@@Spirited_skiing "best case"
I love how he only casts one card with Omniscience.
Hoarding Broodlord and Saw in Half
My bad; I thought he cast Saw in Half off of Beseech the Mirror.
Every cedh video is a treat now adays keep em coming
SHEESH, Zeb went hard!
Game 1 necro play was slick, I loved that
Lets go master of keys! Hope to see more of it in the future, I believe in it's potential.
That first game had such a satisfying combo to win
Seeing all of the mana crypt plays makes me really miss my mana crypt 😢
Zeb played well, but it's not particularly surprising or new to see main deck Esper cards win the game when the new Commander was never cast.
True, but that's not the point of MOK. He's there as insurance late game. Allows the deck to run some strange lines that can be recurred by escaping enchantments in the late game. The deck basically plays as though it has an underworld breach for enchantments in the command zone at all times.
happy to see so many games in one video thank you for the hard it took to make it
I LOVE THE OB NIX ON CEDH, please play more.
stopping in to remind yall Ryan is goated play by play.
Holy crap Zeb 🤣🤣🤣
In the second game did Ian draw off the one ring THEN shuffle from his flooded strand?
the links for the decks of najeela and obnixilis are change between them
ob "list" updated to 13 oct but with still mana crypt jeweled lotus and dockside?
i know the video are recorded preban but i want to know what you choose instead this 3 cards!!! btw najeela and ob link are inverted
This is probably "personal choice" but the deck trackers that are being used are embedded with tracking links as well. I can't open them up as a regular link in a new tab and instead have to ask it to not track me in order to open them up. If possible can you use a more user-friendly deck tracker instead?
1:10 “slip it into your mouth for a softer warmer feel”
Ryan, you might need to check your phrasing… lol
Yooo shout out to Ian my boiiii!!!
not surprised in the slightest by who won both games
Looking at the runtime, I'm predicting a quick aggro kill games.
Awesome games!
Esper good stuff! Nice games. ❤❤❤
Bro tell me there is a master of keys discord
I am curious about the 2nd win: did he cast sacrifice on a saw in half token and still get to add 8 black? Tokens have no cmc what am I missing?
Saw in half makes copies of broodlord with half power and copies have the cmc of the original card. Its why broodlord saw in half is such a good combo
@@dealinoutdevon5498 Thank you!
Ahhh... pure CEDH. how do I miss you so
chrome mox... Imprint Remora.. why 😢??
Rapid games
I love Ob.
GG Zeb
I really wish they banned thoracle. I think it would add some more diversity to decks. feels like it doesn't matter what the commander does, just as long as it has dimir colors in it.
For real. I thought Dargo being paired with Silas meant it would aim to do something different but nope... Dark Confidant into Thoracle... *sigh*
It's just an effective back up. Easily folds to a counter spell on the tainted/demcon.
@@savagestreamin1031 I don't mind decks having staples. I just don't like 3-4 mana with two cards and no setup or synergy required to win the game. everything folds to a counterspell. doesn't mean they are not good.
@@savagestreamin1031except it's just casted with one of the 72 free counterspells available in those colors
Finally a good showing of master of keys
Zeb's deck is absolutely cracked. Crazy hamburger
Why are you guys not using moxfield for the deck lists? I really dislike how tcgplayer looks :/
Because many of us think it looks far better than moxfield.
Shot out to aqua for having a kickass playmatt.
Master of Keys is cool and all, but it never actually came into play at all.
You treat MOK as an underworld breach in the command zone. You're not always gonna play him, but when you do, it's because you're going off. I got into a couple win lines that didn't require it, so I didn't cast him. But he's still important to some of the other win lines in the deck.
Master of Keys does nothing better than any other Esper commander does. It almost never comes into play and when it does its just a "mana outlet" that doesnt win on the spot.
While you're not wrong that this deck can win without MOK easily, the point of keeping it as commander is as a backup win condition, as you can use it to escape animate dead, etc to continue thoracle win lines.
Same, it sucks ass. I hoped MOK would do some cool stuff like endlessly replay Mystic Remora, escape dress down etc. Instead it's just esper goodstuff and MOK only ever comes into play if you got infinite mana due to a diskitten line.
SUPER INTERESTING WITH ALL THE BANNED CARDS!!!11!! AMAZING GAme
Enchantments (sort of) for the win!
Pretty disappointing games, tbh.
A couple of the commanders never got cast and both games ended with the same Thoracle combo line.
Seems like a great video to use as support for banning Thoracle
Hol up layline of anticipation is legal in cedh? Am I being stupid here? I thought it was banned
It’s not banned it just doesn’t get played usually
Tainted Pact for a cabal to cast necropotence.... BAD PLAY
Too bad fum is absolutely ridiculously and unreasonably priced
im in favor of no bans in cedh, dont care what anyone says
15% of this video was a commercial :(
Ah yes 0 interaction in a game with turbo decks. Love to see it
Oh woooow Commander at a faster pace!! Nothing competitive here! Just some person winning on turn three or four! Wooow I also got to see 10 cards from the deck! 😂
The people crying for a Thoracle completely forgot what happened a couple of weeks ago already.
If y'all want to play downgraded cEDH, yall can do so. Let everyone else play the format the way they want to.
I'm absolutely tired of bannings. That's why I personally moved to cEDH from 60 card formats.
I think Thassa's Oracle should be banned.
I agree but like this previous wave of banned cards, I don't believe it will solve the overarching problem. Thassa is the most streamlined but there is several other hold priority wincons. Also, if Thassa gets banned people will revert to lab maniac. Wincons are less of a problem vs fast mana which I agree the committee should tackle fast mana first.
nah
@@Mach2stylelab maniac is healthy, at least compared to oracle. A removal and you are dead, and its sorcery speed and cmc 3
Yeah after what just happened thats a no go
First
Cry PTSD ban coming back