Many people say “theatre shows never work well on screen” WRONG! The problem is they keep hiring directos who know nothing about musical theatre. Lin Manuel Miranda breathes theatre and knows what makes theater unique and knew exactly how to translate that on screen with tick tick boom. Same with the director of mamma Mia and hairspray. But the director of dear Evan Hansen had no clue of musical theatre and it’s so obvious. Holywood stop hiring directos for musicals that know nothing about the magic of theatre.
It makes me genuinely sad, because Stephen Chbosky wrote and directed perks of being a wallflower, and that book and movie meant so much to a struggling teenage me 😭
@@nicoleb581 Agreed 100%, but he had no experience directing a musical before, particularly one as heavily choreographed as WSS. But I'll say he's an exception to the rule and that stage-to-screen musicals should be handled by people with previous experience. Here's a good example of someone that can do both masterfully, Sam Mendes. He has done productions of Assassins, Cabaret, Oliver! and Gypsy, while also making American Beauty, two James Bond films and 1917.
My answer for people who say "theater shows never work well on screen" is one word: Chicago. In fact, I think Chicago the movie is BETTER than the show!
I agree with Zach! The musical wants us to root for Evan so bad. But we can’t because what he is doing it’s awful. It would be best if the musical didn’t try so hard for us to root for Evan.
I went in knowing nothing but that people thought it was inspirational, and I thought it was iconic for the gays (I'm also gay) - but I had such hard cringe the entire time. I thought Evan was awful. It's hard for me to understand how so many find it uplifting! So speak for us all Zach!
@@daniellesmith3955 I liked bits of the soundtrack, but it was the mom's songs that moved me the most. My favorite moment was everyone yelling at Evan during "Good For You".
Movie vs the musical: musical includes songs that do guilt Evan and show how the stuff he was doing was messed up. Movie took ALL of those out so the audience can sympathize with Evan (which is kind of completely forced in this instance)
the whole movie was just a vanity project for ben platt, the only reason it was made was to get an Oscar for ben, they were so focused on the Oscar that they forgot to actually make a good movie
Kelsey needs to check her LA privilege on this one. If you go to a premiere showing with the guy who made the movie and a bunch of the actors from the movie, your perspective is going to be *heavily* colored. She walked out of there with the rosy-est of glasses on and never took them off. I'm sure that entire room pretended the movie was amazing when the director and Amy Adams were RIGHT THERE.
I think she kind of acknowledges that the atmosphere she saw then on her personal experience played a lot into her perspective. Kelsey talks about how everyone at the screening was a current/ former theater kid.
I still so wish they’d just cast Andrew Barth Feldman as Evan in the movie… he’s 19 i think, and played Evan on Broadway for about a year, and has a voice almost on par with Ben Platt which is AMAZING
YES! We would feel sad for Evan because he would look like a lost kid. A kid makes mistakes because their young. But seeing Ben looking like a 27 year old….. I could feel sorry for his character
Yes! Or the kid who plays Evan in London... *google break* ...Sam Tutty. Goooorgeous voice, looks super young, very watchable. I love Ben Platt (and especially Ben Platt's voice), but he was the wrong choice for the movie, unfortunately.
Sadly, Ben's father bankrolled this movie and basically did so on the condition that his son play the lead. Less concerned with creating a faithful and moving adaptation, more with vanity. Unlike Lin Manuel who intentionally asked NOT to be cast as the lead role in In the Heights movie despite also originating it. Much as I would have LOVED to see LMM as Usnavi, I respect that he has aged out of the role AND I love that he wanted to give another actor a chance to shine. **glares at Ben Platt**
Ohhh thanks for this rec! I wanted an actual honest critique and after the first six minutes here, I couldn't stand the "I love this movie" fangirl energy. I guess that's why they call it "Guilty Pleasure" but not what I was hoping for...
Thanks to Evan the sister now believes that her abusive brother may have had romantic thoughts about her. The grown man lurking in the halls of a high-school is a menace!
I'd pay money to see Kelsey watch Jenny Nicholson's video on Dear Evan Hansen and not being allowed to say anything, just a face journey. I think she'd crack in the first minute.
I’m glad that kelsey loved this movie. personally, as a fan of DEH and movie musicals in general, I was incredibly disappointed with it. ben platt was the wrong choice, the editing was all over the place, they cut out the big comeuppance song “good for you” for no damn reason, and the overall message of the show was lost in favor of terrifying close ups of ben platt and his awful jerry curls.
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini YES AND DISAPPEAR AND ANYBODY HAVE A MAP. so it's basically just evan singing for the whole goddamn movie except for like 3 songs
I KNEW A GIRL WHO DID THIS!! She went on two dates with a friend of mine, met his Dad, then treated him horribly and ghosted him. He died a few months later and she made up this whole thing about them being engaged, got flown across the US by his family and brought his ashes home with her. It was the worst thing I've ever seen anyone do!!!
Zach I’m glad you mentioned the ansel elgort thing! I’m so shocked he got casted. He has a lovely voice but his acting was so one note! The rest of the actors are phenomena and he gave NO EMOTION.
Miles mentioning The Last Five Years gave me life, ALTHOUGH the movie is criminally underrated and Jeremy Jordan carried that whole production on his back ✨💕
DEH always feels like a satire to me how Evan and others exploited Conor's death (it doesn't matter what his true intention was) How Conor had no support system and people only paid attention to him after he is dead. The end of act one always feels more chilling than inspiring because it is a giant lie on both sides. I was surprised and terrified when I found out the majority of the audience find this play uplifting and genuine.
Thank god for Zach in this, I was worried Kelsey was gonna ignore everyone else’s perspectives because she likes the musical. I needed to hear multiple sides of this since I am Not a fan of either the musical or the movie lol
really happy i was able to watch this movie for free at my colleges screening of it so i could experience a full theater audibly roast this movie. definitely wouldnt have finished it without that
Agree with Zach and Miles sm except for the Connor part. He was making their lives miserable but while he was obviously drowning and crying out for help, they weren’t ever doing anything to support him either. Idk if anyone read the book, specifically just Connor’s parts. We get to see the real Connor and his perspective/more elaboration on the things other characters said about him during the musical. It really showcases Connor’s mental place and further solidifies the notion that the musical should’ve always been about Connor/the murphy family. Connor was severely depressed, and having a family who consistently dismissed that/refused to get him actual therapy didn’t help (again speaking purely from the book/stage musical perspective). Ex: Cynthia says that when Connor tried to take his life the first time, Larry dismissed it and said he was being dramatic.
it's so obvious that this story was written in the early 2010s based on how they view the internet. even if we ignore how overdone the "going viral" trope is, why did everyone believe that these two high schoolers were only communicating via EMAIL?? like the only logical explanation would be if they were gay and in a secret relationship
i was TUNED. IN. for this episode!!! i was obsessed w DEH in high school - saw the OBC live, listened to the soundtrack constantly in the car, etc. - bc i desperately tried to separate the relatability of being a depressingly insecure teenager from the absurdly gross things evan did. in hindsight i share more of zach’s POV of the story and i think the musical received a lot more celebration than it probably deserved. it also opened the door for pasek & paul to do the greatest showman which…oof. i refused to watch the movie bc of ben platt’s nepotism but i still got such a kick out of this episode. would’ve loved to hear garrick’s takes - as much as i was already laughing, he probably would’ve elevated it. i hope he shares his thoughts when he’s back!
I haven’t seen the movie but I almost spit out my coffee during Zach’s final statement about the movie “get really high with friends and watch the first 15mins and then skip to (song I can’t remember) and then turn it off” thanks Zach
Kelsey, I really wanted the movie to be good, too. And it just ... wasn't. (Even though Kaitlyn Dever is a legend and Danny Pino is foxy and Ben Platt's voice is absolutely golden.) DEH suffers from a bit of Greatest Showman syndrome: the music is so good that it makes you forget that the story is NOT.
I was very disappointed with how they trimmed the perspectives of the parents. I felt that the stage production really showed nuance in the parents' relationships with their kids that made any parent relate to them and the difficulty in connecting with a teenager. But the movie really minimized that which made me sad when I watched this with friends who have not seen the stage performance.
Kelsey totally unhinged - I thank Miles for speaking up and not kissing ass to a bad movie. Zach and Miles were the only reason to finish this podcast.
i 100% agree about jordan fisher!! a lot of people said andrew barth feldman should have been cast (he played evan on broadway when he was 16 and is currently around 20/21, so he would have been the perfect age) and while he's crazy talented, he lacks the mainstream appeal needed for the movie. most people who know who that is would already be seeing the movie bc they're theatre fans. jordan fisher has mainstream appeal (specifically with a teen audience after to all the boys 2 and work it), is insanely talented, and played the role on broadway (plus would be someone hot since kelsey said she was missing that 😂)
what kinda sucks is that in the musical no one really knows who Conner is because no matter what his family always saw him as a bad guy so even if one day he show he wasn't actually a bad person just someone who was struggling no one would believe him and he would just continue to struggle and i think he knew that so when he has the last interaction with Evan i think that was his last well maybe i could change and they believe moments
I think the biggest problem is some things you covered. Ben Platt is performing to the back of the room - as you do on stage- but this is a film and they are filming it traditionally... it just doesn't fit and we get scary awkward close ups with extreme theatre faces.
39:25 Just clearing up misinformation: That actor (Colton Ryan who plays Connor in the movie) is NOT the new Evan on Broadway. Zach is right, he was the Evan understudy (and the Connor and Jared understudy too). Til Feburary Jordan Fisher was Broadways Evan (with Zachary Noah Piser as alternate). The current Evan is Ben Levi Ross, who understudied Evan, Connor and Jared on Broadway and was Evan in the Tour Production for a while. Zachary Piser will overtake for Ben Levi Ross on the May 17 :)
Ben Platt was like 23 when he stopped playing the character on Broadway. So he was in a reasonable age range for that. Plus, they had to all be adults on Broadway and everything is from afar. It's different for stage. They let him do it for the movie because he won a Tony. I think it was a big mistake.
I’ve never seen this and now probably won’t, but was still thoroughly entertained by this podcast. Zach and Miles together is always a good time. I wish Miles was on more. He adds so much fun to the mix. This podcast is already entertaining as hell. The way Miles makes Zach giggle is everything. The usual trio plus Miles is BPE, big podcast energy. Miss you, Garrick!
i agree with Kelsey 100%. as someone who suffers from addiction and major depressive disorder, i saw this musical in theatre and bawled. my entire life changed and as much as the movie isn't the musical, i stand by her being so incredibly defensive. i get the movie doesn't hit the same, but when you see the real, full show in person? oh man. you'll never be the same.
Yall should do Tik Tik Boom next! (Although I think it'll be hard to find anything to critique. I am definitely the Kelsey of that movie. I think it was absolutely perfect)
I watched this movie with my old high-school theatre teacher and fellow theatre alumni. We have been out of high-school for over 10 years. The high-school theatre star that was supposed to be the one to make it out of our small town killed himself a couple of months before this movie came out. He was the sweetest and needless to say we were a wreeeeck watching this.
Can't believe Zach made me remember the heartbreak of World's Greatest Dad. It's one of my favorite movies but totally tore my heart to shreds, even with the black comedy therein
no one else could’ve done the role is a hot take when jordan fischer looks pretty young and played the role and one of the other evan hansen’s isn’t even 20 yet i don’t think 😭
Evan isn’t a redeemable character (at least not in the time given to explore his character in the movie/show) but they cut good for you which is SO IMPORTANT to show that. That song is so necessary to show that his actions are wrong.
You can make a joke out of anything as long as its funny 😂 (and isnt mean). This is one of my top 3 GP podcasts, so funny, i will likely not watch the movie unless im bored as shit but i laughed really hard here.
So Im rewatching this in 2023( Guilty Pleasures is my go to feel good content!! WOOHOO)... anyway... I turned the closed captions on for the first time today and when Zack is talking about West Side Story and Ansel Elgort (around 41:48), the caption comes up as Antelope and now whenever I see his face I will forever call him ANTELOPE!... :D lol
24:46 my inner musical nerd DEH Stan is SCREAMING right now. There are nuances!! The thing that makes For Forever and You Will Be Found so sad is that Evan feels so alone and is just wishing this connection into existence. He wants someone to tell him You Are Not Alone. I haven't seen the movie, but in the staged version, there are so many instances (through blocking and songs that were cut for the movie) that show you Jared, Alicia, and the moms also feeling disconnected. Also, in the staged version, Evan is very passive in his story. He straight up tells the mom that Connor didn't wright this and she freaks out. Then before dinner, he plans on telling them and Jared says that's a terrible idea. Then everyone's fighting before For Forever and he just wants the fighting to stop so he says something to try and make it better then he goes into this day dream he Wished happened because he was so alone! Jared is the one who tells the whole school they were friends. Mrs. Murphy asked him to speak at the assembly. There's a lot of instances where everyone's pain got wrapped up together to make a perfect storm. Evan made bad choices but they weren't for bad reasons. The kid was suicidal and saw Connor disappearing and realized that would've happened to him. No One Deserves To Be Forgotten is a Good motivation. Also, what Zach was saying about the show making a comment about putting the dead on a pedestal is correct. The composers had an experience in highschool where people who didn't even go to school at the time of the kid's suicide were going to crisis councilors and they thought it was so weird.
@@kamcalste Nah. You sound like a kid. Even Kelsey described Evan as mentally ill in the podcast. You can still love it -- I have the soundtrack memorized -- and admit the story is deeeeply messed up.
I love the musical. That being said. In the original shows the ONLY “suicide mentions” are Connor Murphy. And Evan letting go of the tree. That’s it. In the movie, they completely add it into a bunch of different other places. Which I understand. But they used shock factor, making me have a panic attack for legitimately at least half the movie in the movie theatre.
I love Kelsey, but I respectfully disagree with her on this film. I agree with Zach wholeheartedly. The film just showcases the flaws of the musical. Also on the topic of novelist to director, Clive barker is also a novelist who has directed.
I totally agree with what Zach was saying about glorifying the dead but I think they missed that Connors dad died. He was a traumatized child. They act out. Also everyone does shitty things as a teenager. And he’s now an addict bc he doesn’t know what to do with his feelings of grief. Just some perspective for Connor. Not saying what he did was okay but we should have more empathy for him.
I recommend Zach listen to the eulogy song from chasers war on everything to make up for the disappointing reality as opposed to the fantastic sounding idea of what Zach thought the stage performance was going to back. It’s a song about exactly how we just pretend people weren’t terrible just because they died.
TBH not a usual guilty pleasures viewer/listener but as someone who loved the musical (like Kelsey), I was so curious to watch. This ep killed - please do more movie musicals! (and bring back the podcast pixie).
This movie is GUILLLLLLLTY, and the music isn’t good enough to save it. Ben Platt looks like a 45-year-old accountant instead of a teenager, Kaitlyn Deever is the most believable actor, and it drags entirely too long. I want whatever Kelsey is on that makes her think this movie was good 😂😂😂😂
Ya'll are definitely not going to see this but I would love it you did Uptown Girls on this podcast. It has TERRIBLE reviews, like 13% on rotten tomatoes, but young Dakota Fanning's acting is great and there are actually some visually interesting shots. There are little sprinkles of artistic flare and it saves the movie (for me). I'm super curious to see what Zack would think. Hmu if you ever want to bring fans on the pod. Thanks for makin stuff!!
i am cackling at the fantasy Kelsey is living in that most people who saw this movie liked it hahahaha
Many people say “theatre shows never work well on screen” WRONG! The problem is they keep hiring directos who know nothing about musical theatre. Lin Manuel Miranda breathes theatre and knows what makes theater unique and knew exactly how to translate that on screen with tick tick boom. Same with the director of mamma Mia and hairspray.
But the director of dear Evan Hansen had no clue of musical theatre and it’s so obvious. Holywood stop hiring directos for musicals that know nothing about the magic of theatre.
Stephen Spielberg and West Side Story would like a word.
It makes me genuinely sad, because Stephen Chbosky wrote and directed perks of being a wallflower, and that book and movie meant so much to a struggling teenage me 😭
@@colinhedden to be fair, Spielberg was paying a lot of homage to Jerome Robbins (and Robert Wise).
@@nicoleb581 Agreed 100%, but he had no experience directing a musical before, particularly one as heavily choreographed as WSS. But I'll say he's an exception to the rule and that stage-to-screen musicals should be handled by people with previous experience. Here's a good example of someone that can do both masterfully, Sam Mendes. He has done productions of Assassins, Cabaret, Oliver! and Gypsy, while also making American Beauty, two James Bond films and 1917.
My answer for people who say "theater shows never work well on screen" is one word: Chicago. In fact, I think Chicago the movie is BETTER than the show!
I agree with Zach! The musical wants us to root for Evan so bad. But we can’t because what he is doing it’s awful. It would be best if the musical didn’t try so hard for us to root for Evan.
I went in knowing nothing but that people thought it was inspirational, and I thought it was iconic for the gays (I'm also gay) - but I had such hard cringe the entire time. I thought Evan was awful. It's hard for me to understand how so many find it uplifting! So speak for us all Zach!
@@daniellesmith3955 I liked bits of the soundtrack, but it was the mom's songs that moved me the most. My favorite moment was everyone yelling at Evan during "Good For You".
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini Agreed! I was very moved then too!
Movie vs the musical: musical includes songs that do guilt Evan and show how the stuff he was doing was messed up. Movie took ALL of those out so the audience can sympathize with Evan (which is kind of completely forced in this instance)
miles and zach not letting a single opportunity slide to slam this movie was incredible. miles absolutely needs to be here more
kelsey is FULLY in denial lmaoooo, i agree with miles throughout this entire podcast
Denial is the first part of acceptance
@@KelseyDarragh lol! YEAH who is to say what “Everyone who saw it loved it!” means 🤔
Haven’t seen the movie, but Miles and Zack convinced me not to😋
I laughed out loud every time Miles calmly responded, "I disagree."
I need Miles to pop in more frequently on Guilty Pleasures for sure. This was an AWESOME episode!! (But I missed you Garrick!!)
Kelsey is fighting for her life in this episode
Suffocating
the whole movie was just a vanity project for ben platt, the only reason it was made was to get an Oscar for ben, they were so focused on the Oscar that they forgot to actually make a good movie
I will never trust Kelsey’s recommendations on media ever again if she thinks this was a pleasure.
I say this as a fan of the stage version of this. The film is such a bad adaptation
Miles telling Kelsey she's the single most edited person on the show ahahahahahah
Kelsey absolutely loves terrible films, love that for her
Like fam I've been on zoloft for years, he sounds like a manipulative monster in any light
Drag me
@@HoustonWadeCompton im cackling 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think it's kinda funny that Ben Platt said he is the only one who could play Dear Evan Hansen when he was dating another guy who played DEH.
Wait. What????
"That Jordan Fisher plays Evan Hansen" YES MILES LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
Kelsey needs to check her LA privilege on this one. If you go to a premiere showing with the guy who made the movie and a bunch of the actors from the movie, your perspective is going to be *heavily* colored. She walked out of there with the rosy-est of glasses on and never took them off. I'm sure that entire room pretended the movie was amazing when the director and Amy Adams were RIGHT THERE.
I think she kind of acknowledges that the atmosphere she saw then on her personal experience played a lot into her perspective. Kelsey talks about how everyone at the screening was a current/ former theater kid.
Kelsey really said DEH was the best musical to movie adaptation ever as if Hairspray doesn't exist
I still so wish they’d just cast Andrew Barth Feldman as Evan in the movie… he’s 19 i think, and played Evan on Broadway for about a year, and has a voice almost on par with Ben Platt which is AMAZING
YES! We would feel sad for Evan because he would look like a lost kid. A kid makes mistakes because their young. But seeing Ben looking like a 27 year old….. I could feel sorry for his character
Yes! Or the kid who plays Evan in London... *google break* ...Sam Tutty. Goooorgeous voice, looks super young, very watchable. I love Ben Platt (and especially Ben Platt's voice), but he was the wrong choice for the movie, unfortunately.
YESSS exactly my thoughts! Andrew was amazing and Ben Platt was unnecessary. Original doesn’t always mean best!
THIS
Sadly, Ben's father bankrolled this movie and basically did so on the condition that his son play the lead. Less concerned with creating a faithful and moving adaptation, more with vanity. Unlike Lin Manuel who intentionally asked NOT to be cast as the lead role in In the Heights movie despite also originating it. Much as I would have LOVED to see LMM as Usnavi, I respect that he has aged out of the role AND I love that he wanted to give another actor a chance to shine. **glares at Ben Platt**
I recommend Jenny Nicholson's video on Dear Evan Hansen, because she's very thorough in her critique, but she keeps it very entertaining
I was about to say that!
And she does what Miles fails to do, full cosplay
Ohhh thanks for this rec! I wanted an actual honest critique and after the first six minutes here, I couldn't stand the "I love this movie" fangirl energy. I guess that's why they call it "Guilty Pleasure" but not what I was hoping for...
i was looking for this comment
Thanks to Evan the sister now believes that her abusive brother may have had romantic thoughts about her. The grown man lurking in the halls of a high-school is a menace!
Kelsey’s in denial for this movie being horrible with appropriate ratings is hilarious.
I'd pay money to see Kelsey watch Jenny Nicholson's video on Dear Evan Hansen and not being allowed to say anything, just a face journey. I think she'd crack in the first minute.
"It's probably some gay sh*t. I can say that because I'm gay."
God I love you Kelsey!
TRUE!
In the musical, their first kiss does happen during the role play brother song and it was the smartest decision to cut it
I enjoyed Miles' contribution immensely! I'd love to hear his take on future episodes (especially musicals!)
I’m glad that kelsey loved this movie. personally, as a fan of DEH and movie musicals in general, I was incredibly disappointed with it. ben platt was the wrong choice, the editing was all over the place, they cut out the big comeuppance song “good for you” for no damn reason, and the overall message of the show was lost in favor of terrifying close ups of ben platt and his awful jerry curls.
Hearts to you
@@KelseyDarragh KELSEY????????????????????????? OMG I FUCKING LOVE YOU QUEEN
I didn't see the movie, but THEY CUT OUT "GOOD FOR YOU"?!
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini YES AND DISAPPEAR AND ANYBODY HAVE A MAP. so it's basically just evan singing for the whole goddamn movie except for like 3 songs
@@Sophie-nz9fz That's such a crime. Honestly, the mom's songs are my favorites of the musical. At least they didn't cut "So Big / So Small"..
"WHO'S JORDAN FISHER"?!?!?!? Kelsey how don't you know who Jordan Fisher is I actually can't compute that one
SO GLAD MUSICAL THEATRE STAN AND LOCAL PODCAST GREMLIN MILES WAS HERE TO GIVE THE (CORRECT) OPINION ON THIS MOVIE 😂❤
15:54 Hairspray? West Side Story? Fiddler on the Roof? Chicago?? Literally what kind of theater kid are you
Sorry to Kelsey, but I thoroughly enjoyed hearing the guys drag this movie.
I think you guys need more of this level of conflict 😆
I KNEW A GIRL WHO DID THIS!! She went on two dates with a friend of mine, met his Dad, then treated him horribly and ghosted him. He died a few months later and she made up this whole thing about them being engaged, got flown across the US by his family and brought his ashes home with her. It was the worst thing I've ever seen anyone do!!!
Jesus demarcus christ
This is my comfort episode i legit think ive listened to this one atleast 12 times..
I come back to episode for a good laugh. Kelsey defense is truly hilarious. True Guilty Pleasure debt
This and the greatest showman ep
Kelsey looks like she is doing Jane Lynch as Sue Sylvester Glee cosplay in this video and I love it !!
zach praising mike faist is literally me every second of every day.
There’s no way anyone else could have played a depressive, manipulative high school boy except Ben Platt, because Evan is deeply complex
Definitely need to have Miles more in this podcast, absolutely loved him in this
Zach I’m glad you mentioned the ansel elgort thing! I’m so shocked he got casted. He has a lovely voice but his acting was so one note! The rest of the actors are phenomena and he gave NO EMOTION.
Miles mentioning The Last Five Years gave me life, ALTHOUGH the movie is criminally underrated and Jeremy Jordan carried that whole production on his back ✨💕
“He was the star of the musical” yes his dad… produced that one too lol
DEH always feels like a satire to me how Evan and others exploited Conor's death (it doesn't matter what his true intention was) How Conor had no support system and people only paid attention to him after he is dead. The end of act one always feels more chilling than inspiring because it is a giant lie on both sides. I was surprised and terrified when I found out the majority of the audience find this play uplifting and genuine.
Thank god for Zach in this, I was worried Kelsey was gonna ignore everyone else’s perspectives because she likes the musical. I needed to hear multiple sides of this since I am Not a fan of either the musical or the movie lol
Also Miles telling Kelsey she’s the most edited by far was hilarious!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
really happy i was able to watch this movie for free at my colleges screening of it so i could experience a full theater audibly roast this movie. definitely wouldnt have finished it without that
49:51 "Like, his NAME is GAY" made me laugh SO HARD. You're so right
When I first heard of this musical I thought it was about a gay dude too XD
If Kelsey hadn’t seen the stage musical I don’t think she would have liked the movie.
Agree with Zach and Miles sm except for the Connor part. He was making their lives miserable but while he was obviously drowning and crying out for help, they weren’t ever doing anything to support him either. Idk if anyone read the book, specifically just Connor’s parts. We get to see the real Connor and his perspective/more elaboration on the things other characters said about him during the musical. It really showcases Connor’s mental place and further solidifies the notion that the musical should’ve always been about Connor/the murphy family. Connor was severely depressed, and having a family who consistently dismissed that/refused to get him actual therapy didn’t help (again speaking purely from the book/stage musical perspective). Ex: Cynthia says that when Connor tried to take his life the first time, Larry dismissed it and said he was being dramatic.
it's so obvious that this story was written in the early 2010s based on how they view the internet. even if we ignore how overdone the "going viral" trope is, why did everyone believe that these two high schoolers were only communicating via EMAIL?? like the only logical explanation would be if they were gay and in a secret relationship
i was TUNED. IN. for this episode!!! i was obsessed w DEH in high school - saw the OBC live, listened to the soundtrack constantly in the car, etc. - bc i desperately tried to separate the relatability of being a depressingly insecure teenager from the absurdly gross things evan did. in hindsight i share more of zach’s POV of the story and i think the musical received a lot more celebration than it probably deserved. it also opened the door for pasek & paul to do the greatest showman which…oof.
i refused to watch the movie bc of ben platt’s nepotism but i still got such a kick out of this episode. would’ve loved to hear garrick’s takes - as much as i was already laughing, he probably would’ve elevated it. i hope he shares his thoughts when he’s back!
So messed up that Evan used a girls brother's death to get her.
I haven’t seen the movie but I almost spit out my coffee during Zach’s final statement about the movie “get really high with friends and watch the first 15mins and then skip to (song I can’t remember) and then turn it off” thanks Zach
I highly recommend Jenny Nicholson's review. It's hilariously accurate and thorough. I'm 100% on Team Zach here.
I tried my very best for us you guys
Truly do not know who us is baby girl, you are alone
@@HoustonWadeCompton damn. Savage.
Kelsey, I really wanted the movie to be good, too. And it just ... wasn't. (Even though Kaitlyn Dever is a legend and Danny Pino is foxy and Ben Platt's voice is absolutely golden.) DEH suffers from a bit of Greatest Showman syndrome: the music is so good that it makes you forget that the story is NOT.
love u!
I was very disappointed with how they trimmed the perspectives of the parents. I felt that the stage production really showed nuance in the parents' relationships with their kids that made any parent relate to them and the difficulty in connecting with a teenager. But the movie really minimized that which made me sad when I watched this with friends who have not seen the stage performance.
Kelsey totally unhinged - I thank Miles for speaking up and not kissing ass to a bad movie.
Zach and Miles were the only reason to finish this podcast.
i 100% agree about jordan fisher!! a lot of people said andrew barth feldman should have been cast (he played evan on broadway when he was 16 and is currently around 20/21, so he would have been the perfect age) and while he's crazy talented, he lacks the mainstream appeal needed for the movie. most people who know who that is would already be seeing the movie bc they're theatre fans. jordan fisher has mainstream appeal (specifically with a teen audience after to all the boys 2 and work it), is insanely talented, and played the role on broadway (plus would be someone hot since kelsey said she was missing that 😂)
When Kaitlyn started singing "why should I have a heavy heart" I started to tear up
what kinda sucks is that in the musical no one really knows who Conner is because no matter what his family always saw him as a bad guy so even if one day he show he wasn't actually a bad person just someone who was struggling no one would believe him and he would just continue to struggle and i think he knew that so when he has the last interaction with Evan i think that was his last well maybe i could change and they believe moments
Colton Ryan as Connor was phenomenal and you cannot convince me otherwise 🤭
I think the biggest problem is some things you covered. Ben Platt is performing to the back of the room - as you do on stage- but this is a film and they are filming it traditionally... it just doesn't fit and we get scary awkward close ups with extreme theatre faces.
Kelsey can sing 😍😍✨🙌
My guilty pleasure is listening to this podcast when I've never seen these movies and having them ruined 🤤
This podcast episode was better than the DEH movie. Hilarious!! Love these!!
39:25 Just clearing up misinformation: That actor (Colton Ryan who plays Connor in the movie) is NOT the new Evan on Broadway. Zach is right, he was the Evan understudy (and the Connor and Jared understudy too). Til Feburary Jordan Fisher was Broadways Evan (with Zachary Noah Piser as alternate). The current Evan is Ben Levi Ross, who understudied Evan, Connor and Jared on Broadway and was Evan in the Tour Production for a while. Zachary Piser will overtake for Ben Levi Ross on the May 17 :)
😂🤣🥲”THATS WHAT NERVOUS PEOPLE DO!”😂
Kelsey we need updates on Garrick’s experience with Dear Evan Hansen
I have got to know what Garrick thought of this movie
Ben Platt was like 23 when he stopped playing the character on Broadway. So he was in a reasonable age range for that. Plus, they had to all be adults on Broadway and everything is from afar. It's different for stage. They let him do it for the movie because he won a Tony. I think it was a big mistake.
I've never wanted to be part of a discussion more in my life.
bruhhh kelsey always seems to have the worst takes. I could agree with her on some of the other episodes but this one was awful 😭
I’ve never seen this and now probably won’t, but was still thoroughly entertained by this podcast. Zach and Miles together is always a good time. I wish Miles was on more. He adds so much fun to the mix. This podcast is already entertaining as hell. The way Miles makes Zach giggle is everything. The usual trio plus Miles is BPE, big podcast energy. Miss you, Garrick!
i agree with Kelsey 100%. as someone who suffers from addiction and major depressive disorder, i saw this musical in theatre and bawled. my entire life changed and as much as the movie isn't the musical, i stand by her being so incredibly defensive. i get the movie doesn't hit the same, but when you see the real, full show in person? oh man. you'll never be the same.
Yall should do Tik Tik Boom next! (Although I think it'll be hard to find anything to critique. I am definitely the Kelsey of that movie. I think it was absolutely perfect)
I watched this movie with my old high-school theatre teacher and fellow theatre alumni. We have been out of high-school for over 10 years. The high-school theatre star that was supposed to be the one to make it out of our small town killed himself a couple of months before this movie came out. He was the sweetest and needless to say we were a wreeeeck watching this.
this is the ultimate comfort ep.. miles is the best fr
Can't believe Zach made me remember the heartbreak of World's Greatest Dad. It's one of my favorite movies but totally tore my heart to shreds, even with the black comedy therein
kelsey‘s hair looks so good!!
no one else could’ve done the role is a hot take when jordan fischer looks pretty young and played the role and one of the other evan hansen’s isn’t even 20 yet i don’t think 😭
every time kelsey says “soundtrack” instead of “cast recording” when talking about the OBC i twitch.
Evan isn’t a redeemable character (at least not in the time given to explore his character in the movie/show) but they cut good for you which is SO IMPORTANT to show that. That song is so necessary to show that his actions are wrong.
I refused to watch this movie or musical so this is just a great episode. Gimme all the spoilers
SAME
Forreal 😂 I also watch kennie jd’s video on this.
you’re honestly missing nothing haha
Sammmeee
Trust me you are not missing anything. This movie was baaaad
You can make a joke out of anything as long as its funny 😂 (and isnt mean). This is one of my top 3 GP podcasts, so funny, i will likely not watch the movie unless im bored as shit but i laughed really hard here.
So Im rewatching this in 2023( Guilty Pleasures is my go to feel good content!! WOOHOO)... anyway... I turned the closed captions on for the first time today and when Zack is talking about West Side Story and Ansel Elgort (around 41:48), the caption comes up as Antelope and now whenever I see his face I will forever call him ANTELOPE!... :D lol
It's giving last Airbender movie flop energy lol
24:46 my inner musical nerd DEH Stan is SCREAMING right now. There are nuances!! The thing that makes For Forever and You Will Be Found so sad is that Evan feels so alone and is just wishing this connection into existence. He wants someone to tell him You Are Not Alone. I haven't seen the movie, but in the staged version, there are so many instances (through blocking and songs that were cut for the movie) that show you Jared, Alicia, and the moms also feeling disconnected. Also, in the staged version, Evan is very passive in his story. He straight up tells the mom that Connor didn't wright this and she freaks out. Then before dinner, he plans on telling them and Jared says that's a terrible idea. Then everyone's fighting before For Forever and he just wants the fighting to stop so he says something to try and make it better then he goes into this day dream he Wished happened because he was so alone! Jared is the one who tells the whole school they were friends. Mrs. Murphy asked him to speak at the assembly. There's a lot of instances where everyone's pain got wrapped up together to make a perfect storm. Evan made bad choices but they weren't for bad reasons. The kid was suicidal and saw Connor disappearing and realized that would've happened to him. No One Deserves To Be Forgotten is a Good motivation.
Also, what Zach was saying about the show making a comment about putting the dead on a pedestal is correct. The composers had an experience in highschool where people who didn't even go to school at the time of the kid's suicide were going to crisis councilors and they thought it was so weird.
@@kamcalste Nah. You sound like a kid. Even Kelsey described Evan as mentally ill in the podcast. You can still love it -- I have the soundtrack memorized -- and admit the story is deeeeply messed up.
I'm glad I suffered through that movie just so I could watch this incredible podcast. This was hilarious I screamed on my lunchbreak lolol
I love the musical. That being said. In the original shows the ONLY “suicide mentions” are Connor Murphy. And Evan letting go of the tree. That’s it.
In the movie, they completely add it into a bunch of different other places. Which I understand. But they used shock factor, making me have a panic attack for legitimately at least half the movie in the movie theatre.
I love Kelsey, but I respectfully disagree with her on this film. I agree with Zach wholeheartedly. The film just showcases the flaws of the musical.
Also on the topic of novelist to director, Clive barker is also a novelist who has directed.
Seeing Kelsey’s genuine excitement made tonight’s plans change and I’ll now be watching dear Evan Hansen the movie for the first time on Hulu
Zach talking beautifully about Mike Faist and how he deserves an Oscar. Just, I need that on loop on my death bed.
Kelsey needs to upload a cover of you will be found cause her voice is so pretty!
Don’t you dare tempt me
I watched the film in prep for this episode and I honestly hated it, I didn’t even finish. The premise is just so damn creepy!!
I totally agree with what Zach was saying about glorifying the dead but I think they missed that Connors dad died. He was a traumatized child. They act out. Also everyone does shitty things as a teenager. And he’s now an addict bc he doesn’t know what to do with his feelings of grief. Just some perspective for Connor. Not saying what he did was okay but we should have more empathy for him.
miles being a musical theatre stan makes me even more in love with him
I recommend Zach listen to the eulogy song from chasers war on everything to make up for the disappointing reality as opposed to the fantastic sounding idea of what Zach thought the stage performance was going to back. It’s a song about exactly how we just pretend people weren’t terrible just because they died.
I would love to see them talk about Tiger King, that would be awesome and frankly chaotic
I literally just saw this musical yesterday on Broadway
TBH not a usual guilty pleasures viewer/listener but as someone who loved the musical (like Kelsey), I was so curious to watch. This ep killed - please do more movie musicals! (and bring back the podcast pixie).
They forgot Hamilton and I'm waiting WGA to be lifted so that they can discuss Hamilton!
This movie is GUILLLLLLLTY, and the music isn’t good enough to save it. Ben Platt looks like a 45-year-old accountant instead of a teenager, Kaitlyn Deever is the most believable actor, and it drags entirely too long.
I want whatever Kelsey is on that makes her think this movie was good 😂😂😂😂
And Ben only worked for the stage version because, well, there are no close-ups.
50:15 my brother is named Evan and only came out to us last year at 26 years old😳 how did you know……………………………..
Ya'll are definitely not going to see this but I would love it you did Uptown Girls on this podcast. It has TERRIBLE reviews, like 13% on rotten tomatoes, but young Dakota Fanning's acting is great and there are actually some visually interesting shots. There are little sprinkles of artistic flare and it saves the movie (for me). I'm super curious to see what Zack would think. Hmu if you ever want to bring fans on the pod. Thanks for makin stuff!!