Scientology: James Randi on L. Ron Hubbard
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- www.randi.org - I met James Randi for the first time at a CULTinfo conference in Stamford back in 1999. After he gave a speech in which he mentioned Scientology, a Scientologist came up to Randi and urged him to try auditing. I then asked Randi about meeting Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
Just let the man EAT HIS FOOD; common decency seriously...seriously.
If you mix decency & scientology, the Universe will implode
+pcfxer Scientologists have no decency. Or functioning brains for that matter.
Yet you watched it...and you now down to his false sense of superiorness...he relied solely on "shaming people" into submission.
How do you feel about your comment 6 years later? My name is Derek.
Common decency and Scientology do not go together.....
"What you're doing is you're clearly dismissing the subject..."
"Yup."
Sometimes it's the simple put-downs that are the best.
Pushy, interruptive, and bothersome. Let Randi enjoy his meal rather than pushing your own agenda.
If anything, this clip demonstrates what some well intensioned celebrities have to put up with. Randi shows great restraint.
IamUncledeuce I agree with you whole heartidly
+IamUncledeuce --I noticed that the JamesRandiFoundation has blocked comments for its videos here on youtube?
Not at all. Actually they just not up for the challenge.
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--Prove it. Unblock the comments section.
So you can't fair game. That's harassment. You really don't fool anybody. Give Slappy McSavage my love.
This is primarily a video on how to rudely interrupt someone while they are eating.
That's Scientology in a nutshell: an uninvited nuisance.
Scientologists seem to specialize in rudeness
@@PatTheBatmanFan describes religion in general pretty accurately too
Then you don't understand the knowledge being dropped here. Just the way it's obtained.
Let the man finish his dinner before you pull this sort of stunt.
David Wild huh! That meal was done with 4 years ago. Quit living in the past.
@@OikPoinFive That comment was 5 years old when you responded 😂
@@MrFtge His comment was 2 years old when you responded. And my comment is a year after you responded.
1:42 "Calm down, I don't know why you're so upset."
I do! Proselytising to a very intelligent known sceptic (who has already read your damned book and wants nothing to do with it) while he is trying to enjoy his meal is what is upsetting him. I think Mr. Randi was very clam and polite in this situation.
"I knew L Ron Hubbard when he was a small time crook." - Harlan Ellison
"Hubbard was a willfully evil man." Yup/
He even was friends with Crowley and used alot of his doctrines to form Scientology.
@ He was not friend of Crowley. Even Crowley (the great Beast) was disgusted by Hubbard behaviour when he realized that great thief and liar Hubbard stole boat, money and wife of his friend occultist Parson. When notorious satanist Crowley said that you are peace of s#it, then you must be. Hubbard was the greatest s#um who ever walked on earth. He invoked demons in rituals to give him power in exchange for souls of some women he manipulated. Hubbard son talked about that. Demon help from astral is the main reason why that fat frog (Hubbard) had any succes with his science fiction fake religion.
@Ru22eLL , Xenu was a misunderstood benevolent ruler who was just trying to reduce over-population of the galaxy decades before Thanos did with the Infinity Gauntlet....
Their intentions were good.
@Ru22eLL , um..............I was making a joke...
If you think Scientology has merit, I have a bridge for sale .
+JACKnJESUS Would you accept my trade in Arizona ocean front property for it?
Is it a Bridge to Total Freedom?
Jacob Hoss Hardly. I smell a sale coming.
No, I think it's the London bridge
Cool how much are you selling it for?
That pie has more spirituality then scientology.
Whats the difference between Scientology and that pie? The recipe written for the pie is Non fiction.
*than
I am a middle-school teacher, and my students became fascinated with Mr. Randi when I mentioned him in a lecture. I contacted Mr. Randi's assistant, and Randi agreed to talk to my students via SKYPE. It was one of the coolest things ever! My kids loved it and I appreciated it immensely. He is one of the smartest me ever, albiet he doesn't believe exactly like I do.
"I've seen it it's crap!"
'Nuff said.
If Randi calls you a "willfully evil man", then brother, you're evil.
It was founded by a science FICTION writer, case closed
ecky1965 Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (March 13, 1911 - January 24, 1986), better known as L. Ron Hubbard(/ɛl rɒn ˈhʌˌbərd/, ell-ron-hub-ərd[2]) and often referred to by his initials, LRH, was an American author and the founder of the Church of Scientology. After establishing a career as a writer, becoming best known for his science fiction andfantasy stories, he developed a self-help system called Dianetics which was first expounded in book form in May 1950.
Luis Silva Better then the bronze age morons who dreamed up Christianity heh at least this guy was closer to reality....not by much mind you but still.
karl strom Christianity is definitely stupid but not nearly as retarded as Scientology, trust me
Luis Silva All religion was founded on science FICTION writers/storytellers.
Gremlins You left out the parts about his efforts in WWII...where he was considered unfit for command and even fired on some islands belonging to Mexico down south of the border. After that he went to Hollywood and rented a room from a black magic guy who was an apostle of Aleister Crowley.
He lied to everyone claiming all these war injuries like blindness that he pretended he cured by will--he had only minor things like an ulcer and allergies. He extorted his wife to marry him by threatening suicide, and kidnapped their baby daughter and called his wife to say he'd cut up the baby and thrown it overboard. He was violent and a sociopath. He even begged the Vet's Admin to hospitalize him an d treat his insanity but they did not think it was war-related? There's a letter proving his request.
He only turned Dianetics into Scientology and a religion when his lawyer said he could save on taxes and sales were declining badly. Other countries didn't let LRH pull the crap he got away with here...eventually he could not dock his ship in any European port or much of Africa. He was a monster. Truly evil.
Comparing him to Christianity is only viable when you omit Jesus, the purpose behind the faith, from the comparison and only compare popes, Inquisitors, and charlatans to LRH. Even the fictions in the Bible are just stories that were told down thru the ages...virgin births, great floods, snakes in gardens with innocent early humans...not malicious fictions but myths from ancestors... The profit motive only started a few hundred years after Jesus died when the Roman Church needed money, therefore power to cement it's role in society and govt. LRH started out with the profit motive as his only goal!
If I were in that same situation, I'd be pissed off not so much that the guy was trying to talk to me about Scientology (even though I know it's a scam), but that he was interrupting my meal. Let me finish my meal and then I'll tear your scam to shreds in front of everybody.
IDK about Dianetics, but diuretics are great for flushing your system.
makes for good toilet paper when using diuretics
MelkorHimself Not so good for your kidneys
Not to mention prosthetics. They can really help you walk.
I heard that Dianetics is the study of women named Diane. Guess not.
Mr Randi is amazing. He is also a very smart man.
Lauren Bartley he's fucking awsome aint he
Smart? Just smart?. He’s smart alright, and intelligent, honest, down- to-earth, and doesn’t suffer fools lightly. Awesome springs to mind too. I’m a firm fan.
Raymond Stemmer hypocrite
Raymond Stemmer he atheist?
Raymond Stemmer
Why did his sexual preference come up.
Nobody brought it up except you. You’d better get used to the fact that homosexuality is here and here to stay. It has always been here. It’s just people pressuring them to hide in the “closet” was the norm
for a long time.
I’m not gay, but I know people that are. They are good people who own businesses, and pay taxes.
They give me money or a gift card for Christmas.
Who the hell are you to judge fellow US citizens.
Take a good look in the mirror. I hope there is some
kind of hope for you.
"All I'm saying is, give Scientology a chance. Then give me your credit card number."
According to a documentary on HBO, Scientology has only 50K members yet they have well over a billion dollars of cash, assets, investments, etc. And that amount is growing. I find that disturbing to say the least.
Skorpio lol i doubt it was that much.
That's very little for a religion, but a hell of a lot for a criminal organization.
In the event of nuclear war or other major disaster Tom Cruise will be quick frozen and flown to their Northern California vault for safe storage.
the disturbing part is the fact that all the money they make comes from those members of the cult and is considered a "donation" so if you decide that you want to leave you wouldn't be able to get anything back from them. it's so sad how this group manipulates it's members to lose everything in their life. Like a former member of the cult said "how can you call this a church when you tear families apart" and "how do you think you can bring the world together, if you can't even let a mother and daughter be together?" I feel so bad for all the brainwashed children, adults not so much because they have a brain and should be able to see how wrong this is,.
That seed money goes a long goddamn way. All untaxed too, motherfuckers.
after watching this video..i keep on thinking.. "let the man eat in peace"
That guy asking questions is annoying.
A tip to all missionaries: Don't try to preach to people while interrupting their dinner. Even if you have the source of all truth, you are not going to win any converts that way!
Scientology saved my life!Oh wait..that was science with out the tology bullshit,nevermind.
I lost a little bit of my coffee on this comment!! Lol!!
Let the poor man eat his meal, dude..
RIP, James Randi 🙏🏼 Thanks for telling it how it is and bringing to light a bunch of con artists and liars you will be missed
It blows my mind that James Randi was an honorary member of the Trap Door Spiders. If only I could have been in that room with those men...ah yes.
James Randi was beyond patient with this man who kept badgering him about giving Scientology a fair look while he was just trying to enjoy his dinner....
Sitting here in absolute envy of anyone who got to talk to him and be in his presence... I honestly have never missed someone I've never even met so much. I wish I could have gotten to see you in person just once. Would have been a dream come true, Randi. See you on the other side.
Let the man eat his lunch, damn! The harangue can wait 10 minutes...
L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction author of the Golden Age who is these days spoken of in the same breath as Asimov and Heinlein. People say, "That L. Ron Hubbard, he was nowhere near as good as Asimov and Heinlein."
Digscomics Hubbard was c r a p compared to Asimov and Heinlein. No question. Full stop.
L. Ron Hubbard, he was nowhere near as good as Asimov and Heinlein, I totally agree, having read all his and nearly every science fiction writer of those times. It was drivel.
James Randi is a living treasure. I'm so grateful for the passionate and compassionate work that he does.
James Randi has been and will always be a class act. I've been a fan of his since I first read about him in Omni Magazine in the very early 1980s. A great guy and a great lifetime body of work.
His response, in a nutshell here: "I'm not going to dignify that with a response."
Fiction writers CAN write non-fiction, but Asimov didn't start a religion. He wrote science fact, Some people have trouble telling the difference.
yea, so Asimov didn't start a religion, so?
what does a science fiction writer like Hubbard or Asimov being able to write non fiction have to do with that?
nothing whatever?
and Dianetics didn't start out as a religion at all, but rather as a technology, which it remains to this day. and Scientology, which is outgrowth of Dianetics only became a religion when he realized he was dealing with the spirit. and just why can't that, or a religion be a "fact?"
hmn?
because you simply "decided that?
I was responding to the writer who thought a science fiction writer could not start a legitimate religion. Since I tend to think NO religion should be considered "legit" then that just makes it an aside to the conversation. And you are correct, Dianetics did NOT start out as a religion. It WAS presented as a technology just like, and I mean EXACTLY, like psychology... which it was satirizing. Which was my original point. Although, and it's been since the late '70s that I read it, I do seem to remember that an auditor could expect to get to the "past life" memories of a subject. So, it looks to me like he was satirizing religion too. And you still have not addressed the interdimensional aliens. Can I take that to mean that Scientology does, in fact, contain that teaching? If that is so, it's just another piece of evidence that L Ron made the whole thing up out of his, science fiction, writer's imagination. And again, the description of interdimensional beings fighting for control of humanity, is just another way of saying "angels" and "deomons." In my opinion, he has completely failed to introduce anything NEW except to call standard concepts in society, other things. Satire! I'll bet he laughed all the way to the bank at his little joke, till the day he died.
Keith Morgan
no religion can be considered "legit?"
and just why is that? simply "decided" that, did you?
and it is NOT like psychology, that is not true. the word psychology itself means "study of the spirit," but they don't even recognize the existence of the spirit as Scientology does. It has become the study of the "mind," whatever THEY think the mind actually "is." Scientology therefore SHOULD be called psychology INSTEAD.
and psychology techniques are not geared toward a very SPECIFIC result, as Scientology is.
the two subjects are actually more different than they are similar, and psychology is definitely worthy of satire and mockery, unlike Scientology.
and I don't believe in any "inter dimensional aliens" at all, that's ridiculous. and the "engram" as defined in Scientology is HUBBARD'S new discovery and no one else's.
furthermore, one doesn't have to do Scientology as a "religion" at ALL, but simply as a technology that actually WORKS. how does that make it a "satire?"
hmn?
Simply because there is no validation or evidence required. In fact, ALL religions require "faith" and treat blind faith as a virtue. In fact, the majority discourage ANY serious inquiry into evidence; simply because they can't withstand serious scrutiny. To me, that is not "legitimate." To me, that's a CON GAME!
Thank you for clearing that up for me. Why did it take you so long? I asked that a long time ago, about the aliens, that is. And, if you don't think of it as a religion, then we just have a difference of opinion on the merits of the practice of Dianetics. What I've seen of the "public" Scientologists, is not very convincing. I, also never set out to "mock" dianetics (religios terminology by the way as in, "mocking God...") I just said it was a satire. In other words, an attempt to bring humorous light on the follies of a certain subject. In this case, psychology. I have to say, though, that your reaction to my first comment was typical of someone involved in a religion, so I assumed. Sorry.
Randi knew all the great writers of my youth, I wish I could have known the Trap Door Spiders. Rock on James!
The fact James Randi knew L Ron Hubbard, investigated Scientology at its founding, and has known many people who intimately knew L Ron Hubbard and spoke to them about him isn't good enough for this guy. He reminds me of Christians who keep referring to the. Bible when talking to an atheist, and then when the Atheist tells them why the Bible is disqualified as evidence, they keep referring back to the Bible. I mean, how many times can James Randi say, I looked into it, I met the man, other well known authors who knew the man well said he was a vary bad man, etc.
You have no actual evidence though.
+Al Gilmore The burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, you say God exists and expect me to take the word of some "holy" book well then you better have some really compelling evidence.
You missed the point dipshit.
Being objectionable only serves to make you look like an ass and a fool, and if you can't simply explain how someone misunderstood your comment; you need to learn how to communicate.
Social Media Meham because the bible is evidence and you stupid atheists keep denying it in favor of fairy tales i e. The bang and evolution
He was trying to eat his lunch n numb nuts wonders why he's getting angry;.
I love James Randi so much. His life's work, his demeanor, and his intellect. He's my personal hero. :)
I love Randi, I cant believe he kept his cool here, He was definitley annoyed but still took the time to talk and discuss Hubbard in quite a polite way, loved the wrecking on him by saying nobody liked him and he was a willfully evil man too...he manages to say it in a way that almost sounds friendly haha. Randi is a fine and decent honest man.
Val has been hanging around my videos for years now and thinks he is "striking an effective blow." It's really pretty amazing the energy he spends trying to convince people that Hubbard was anything but a humbug. The dwindling number of Scientologists see Hubbard as a genius. The real world laughs at that idea which I guess is what gets Val so worked up. Hubbard is a punchline for late nite comics and that makes Val throw hissy fits.
Jeez , leave the guy alone while he's eating !!
tomken8dy You detest someone that exposes fraud? So I guess you are a fraudster. Oh excuse, remove the guess out my previous sentence.
rc01010101
Another Randallite. No reasoning with you.
tomken8dy No reasoning with me????? LOL, too funny. We use nothing but reasoning, science, evidence. Fraudster, you wouldn't understand reasoning if it bit you in the ass and looked you in the eyes. No Scientologist has a clue about using reasoning. When the things you claim are debunked and proven to be bullshit and your mind has been washed as religion does, especially Scientology, you can't even begin to claim to talk about reasoning.
rc01010101
Now you're raving about Scientology. Please, seek counseling.
"Come on, why won't you take our magical book of fairytales and alien brainwashing seriously?"
Go and grab audacity, it's a free 4-5 megabyte sound editing program (although given the $100+ thousand you make off of UA-cam you could get a proper editing suite) and remove the baseline sound in this video so we can actually hear what is being said. It will take you about 30-60 seconds, including download time, to do this. It will make the video 100% more watchable. I couldn't get past 20 seconds in, too much white noise, to be able to hear Randi's words you end up blowing your speakers with square waves.
I could hear just fine - might want to get your ears checked :)
I had never heard of Mark Bunker (the uploader) before watching this video, he seems to have "only 15k" subscribers, what makes you think he's making "$100+ thousand" off of YT?
The audio was very easy to understand here, perhaps you need to look over your audio settings again.
I agree that Audacity is a great piece of open source software though.
racoiaws
Everyone that has never used google's adsense seems to be convinced that you get a dollar for every view, lmfao.
You typically don't even get paid for a view unless you're with some network. It's usually a clicking thing.
And about 50-60% of views don't count because they're typically either mobile or have adblocker.
To top all of that off, payment is varied from advertiser to advertiser.
Honestly, youtubers aren't millionaires.
i can sit here and give you countless examples of people who no longer do any goo in the view department and are still making plenty of money
You're an idiot. There's no significant white noise on this video ( I really don't think you know what white noise means). The background noise is mostly other voices plus a little random clinking of cutlery and plates, and there's no software that can do anything useful to remove background chatter without making the foreground voices sound worse. You're just randomly spouting audio teminology you heard somewhere but have no idea what it means.
God I loved this man. I met him a few times at the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) he was just as quick as this in his last years, he would walk gingerly with a cane, bent over 90 degrees, make a joke about how old he is and then INSTANTLY busy into the chacha with his cane, ever the entertainer. So glad I stumbled upon him in my late teens, he REALLY did change my life... Annnnnd a tear begins for form.. :( I'm out ✌️🫂❤️💔
Back before science fiction conventions became all about TV & movies, they celebrated authors, & were an opportunity for authors to hold panel discussions, to meet their fans, & to autograph books. My father was a member of First Fandom, the exclusive "club" of fans who fell in love with the genre as presented in pulp magazines & movie serials. Every year, he attended the convention in downtown Cincinnati, where he met & chatted with his favorite authors.
Sometime in the 70's, he heard this about the creation of Scientology from Fred Pohl & another author whose name I never knew. (Not even positive about Pohl, but it seems right. I was a teenager when he told me this story!) Scientology began as a joke. Hubbert & some of his cronies sat around one day talking about cults, & they decided to invent one. They put together the silliest things they could imagine, & wondered if anyone would be gullible enough to believe it.
According to my father, who got his info from one of the sci-fi writers who'd helped to create it, that's how Scientology was born.
“Faith: not wanting to know what the truth is.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
*"I've seen it. It's crap."*
Precisely.
That is super annoying to bother a man trying to eat.
Love James Randi! "I've seen it. It's crap." He cuts to the heart of the matter & speaks efficiently, clearly, & in no uncertain terms. Now leave the man alone and let him have his meal.
Please know who I am. I support L Ron Hubbard. I have seen L Ron Hubbard’s technology create many miracles. There is no question in my mind that Scientology books and lectures as written by L Ron Hubbard hold tremendous benefit for anyone who just takes the writings as they are and applies them. I have seen the lame walk. I have seen emotionally broken people renewed. I have seen relationships healed. And I have seen these things over and over and over again. Nothing could ever shake my belief in the value of L Ron Hubbard’s philosophical writings" A quote from Debbie Cook former executice director in Scientology
What a legend, sadly missed.
Welcome to another episode of *WHEN $CILONS ATTACK*
+Faustus
.....and gets his ass kicked by The Amazing Randi !
+Faustus
Typical rude, self-righteous, smug $cientologist. Go away and let the man eat his dinner.
Scientology stinks and Hubbard was a horrible writer. Funny video though.
Jackasss; "so you're basically just dismissing it altogether"
J. Randi; "yes"
*(laughter)
There are many countries where scientology is banned or cannot get approval. France is one of those and in 2009, they were fined the equivalent of almost US$900,000 upon a conviction for fraud. There is a comprehensive list here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country
I read Hubbard's first book in the Mission Earth series. Then, I read Dianetics. L Ron Hubbard was a satarist and I don't think he wrote Dianetics expecting it to be taken seriously. I certainly didn't; it was SATIRE! He was very subtile with his satire and Dainetics was the most subtle thing he ever wrote. I'd explain the satire but there's not enough room here. When it mushroomed into a cult, he ran with it for the money. That's MY theory. He once wrote a short story where a cult faker accidentally captured an "angel" (extraterrestrial) thinking this was his last big event as it would certainly expose him as a fake. And people still didn't "get it."
nonsense. Dianetics is one of the greatest books ever written
Thank you for your concise review of the book.
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Be nice, he cannot help he is a gullible fool.
Dianetics is the farthest thing from satire that one can get.
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WHAT a brilliant "argument."
LOL
James Randi is so awesome.
Wrong! He's amazing.
And fabulous.....if you know what I mean lol
Amon Ra II Fosho!
Well I learn something new every day. So just a scam to make cash.
you mean you didn't know? xD
Roland Lawrence it gets better, this wasn't Hubbard's first scam, he was a scam artists, and it's doccumented that he was wanted by the FBI for his scamming. So he decides to start a religion which allows him to scam legally because religions get a lot more freedoms in the eyes of the government
When I was in the show business time of my life I was sitting at a "cattle call" audition. Beside me was a young woman. Her purse was open and sitting on the top was a copy of "Dianetics." I happened to look down at it and she noticed. She looked at me and asked, "Have you read it?" I said, "Yes, twice." She asked, "You must have liked it. What did you think of it?" I said, "It's a piece of shit." She immediately got up and moved to the other side of the hall.
Many people, including Scientologists, seem to gloss over a paragraph in Dianetics that states: "...the glassy-eyed stare of the person who has been 'too often hypnotized,' the lack of will seen in people too often hypnotized, the dependence of the subject upon the hypnotic operator; all of these things stem from the keying in of engrams. Any time the body is rendered 'unconscious' without physical pain, no matter how light the degree of weariness, an engram may be keyed in. And when 'unconsciousness' is complicated by new physical pain, a new engram is formed which may gather up with it and entire bundle of old engrams not hitherto keyed in. Such a late engram would be a cross engram in that it crosses chains of engrams. And if such an engram resulted in a loss of sanity, it would be called a break engram." 1987 p. 195 Hence, Scientology is doing exactly what it claims to remove.
Hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness with heightened suggestibility. The fact is, we go in and out of altered states of consciousness all day long. One of the things that Scientology works with is hooking you up to an "e-meter" and having you access emotional triggers. As soon as an emotion is triggered you go into an altered state of consciousness in order to access that emotion and the experience that created it. Hence, what Scientology is doing is creating an individual who will be "too often hypnotized." So, it seems that the more you are being audited the more "engrams" are being keyed creating more and more "cross chains of engrams" as Hubbard denoted them.
The e-meter is a make-shift "lie detector." In research stretching back several decades it his been found that polygraphs are doing nothing more that picking up on some physical responses. What they mean is not known. It doesn't matter how much training a person may have interpreting the squiggles on the paper, what it means is totally unknown. So, in essence, polygraphs are pretty much useless. The e-meter is detecting nothing more than one physical response (GSR or galvanic skin response). It is assumed that this response has meaning to the question or statement being espoused. It does not. Simply put, the e-meter is even more useless than the polygraph.
One of the books that Hubbard used when he wrote "Dianetics" was Korzybski's "Science and Sanity." I read Dianetics with a copy of Science and Sanity and saw how Hubbard lifted whole ideas and statements right from Korzybski. He claimed that Korzybski got his ideas from him. The problem is that "Science and Sanity" was published in 1931 about 20 years before Dianetics. The fact is Korzybski took his ideas of General Semantics into mental hospitals to see it efficacy. L. Ron Hubbard only criticised Korzybski. In the book, "L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Mad Man" by Bent Corydon the author discusses the writing of Dianetics. He mentions two books Hubbard used and one of them was Science and Sanity. My copy of Dianetics has underlined everything Hubbard lifted from Science and Sanity as well as their pages.
I would love to go through your book to see all your markings. Imho, Hubbard couldn't compare to other great writers, so all he could do was plagiarise to try and sell everyone on how great he thought of himself. He was such a broken person. I recently read LRHs Affirmations on Wiki. He was trying to hypnotise himself to shed the shame he held so deeply. He literally listed every one of his shortcomings, and he seemed to carry a lot of shame. But he was also a narcissist. Can a narcissist also be full of shame? That seems to be an oxymoron. 🤷♀️
"You're just dismissing the subject"....
"Yep".
I wonder if the guy knew Randi is gay.
Derek D almost no one knew until just a few years ago
Just out of curiosity, what does his being gay have to do with anything?
Because Scientologists are vehemently opposed to homosexuality.
In other words, He's got a hard fuckin' sell right there!
Were you about to bust out your SJW suit and cape on my ass?
... They know Travolta is gay right? If not... How many pictures of him kissing other dudes do they have to see to be convinced?
That is probably the main reason Travolta has not left Scientology because they know he's gay and will expose him if he leaves.
Same thing with Cruise.
"He was a WILLFULLY evil man. He knew what he was doing."
Was Randall talking about Hubbard or himself?
What kind of idiotic question / statement is that? Of course it refers to Hubbard.
If you had bothered to properly quote him, you would have had to physically type out the name of the person he was referring to.
"In my opinion Hubbard was an evil man (and, uhm) a WILFULLY evil man. He knew what he was doing."
racoiaws
Don't you understand nuances of language? Another product of our dumbed-down educational system.
Randall will also soon be exposed for something shocking and heinous.
tomken8dy Please explain the nuance in which "Hubbard" actually should be interpreted as "Randi". Or have you nuanced both persons together into one "Randall"?
tomken8dy You could say that about anyone. You could have something heinous uncovered about you tomorrow by the world.
It's a pointless statement that is backed by nothing.
*****
Nope, not as amazing as him.
You just heard from a man that knew Ron L Hubbard before he was a household name. He said Ron L Hubbard admitted he was in it for the money. Good enough for me.
“You don’t get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion” - L Ron Hubbard
Yep. It’s a money making scam.
I'm sorry to hear this about John Campbell. He's one of the first writers I can remember who actually forced me to think logically about things.
Finally this man has a decent opinion on something important, and this very rare time he has a lot of experience to go by since he hung out with Hubbard.
I see a missed opportunity here. Have you ever thought about adding a middle initial to your name? Mark D. Bunker.
exactly. as I have said, anyone who "thinks" that you make any sense whatsoever BELONGS on your side.
I have no problem with that whatsoever.
"You're clearly dismissing the subject"
"Yup"
During World War II a sailor who knew something about psychology made a drunken bet that he could create his own religion. this man's name was L Ron Hubbard.
“Willfully evil”. I think that is the best description of Hubbard I have heard.
Randi is the man! He has stood up to so many fake money grabbing “religious” leaders no matter what believers threw at him. We need more like him.
Not particularly happy that a cultist begs him to notice their little scam organization, and also interrupts his meal. I would've not been that polite.
J'adore M. Randi, Un grand démystificateur! I like the guy. Being a scientist, I have to argue with my peer about my ideas often. I may be hard, but it is nothing when compared to people that push their agenda on you. I find this guy so courageous. GREAT!
I don't think that anyone appreciates the Scientologist's commitment to intellectual honesty and the pursuit of the truth.
How rude to interrupt someone eating. Go up after he has finished.
This was very uncomfortable to watch. There's a time and place for everything!
Who bothers someone when there trying to eat? Oh a Scientologist!
one person who can't debate backing up another.
priceless.
Hubbard knew one thing for certain that there will always be people out there who will believe his crap and that’s who he went after .
"Science fiction editor and author Sam Moscowitz tells of the occasion when Hubbard spoke before the Eastern Science Fiction Association in Newark, New Jersey in 1947: `Hubbard spoke ... I don't recall his exact words; but in effect, he told us that writing science fiction for about a penny a word was no way to make a living. If you really want to make a million, he said, the quickest way is to start your own religion.'"
I love Randi, always respect his thoughts on any matter, one of the great critical thinkers to challenge bullshit!
Trap Door Spiders would have been a lit modern podcast
Mickey Flanagan summed it up perfectly,
look up "was it something I said, Scientologists Mickey Flanagan. Priceless.
Randi: "I'll teach you how to fly. Open the window and jump!"
All Randi would have had to have said was " I have looked at it, and it's all nothing but the same garbage that Comic Books are made of ".
+ReneeNme Whoa, that's just not true.
Jack Kirby's work was way more coherent than Scientology.
+fourcrippledhorses And the story would be better. Galactus eats planets. Doom is a grandiose, egotistical, scenery-chewing evil genius. Xenu... does a tax audit, freezes some people and gets arrested.
+fourcrippledhorses Agreed... space ships that looked exactly like 707's? Complete lack of imagination.
+scowell No actually it was worse Hubbard dreamed all this up in the fifties and the " space ships" looked liked DC 6's only with rocket engines in place of the Pratt and Whitney Radials. Azimov despised Hubbard even though he sucked up to him and Andre Norton as much as he could
+ReneeNme He said that but in different words.
Good lord let the man eat in peace.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance -Albert Einstein
Well thank you so much 'Mee Shay". I find you to most kind & balanced & that goes for you responses to 'Vallarr' . Though I must admit ,from my own perspective of course, that one will get nowhere with her despite your logic & kindness.She cannot AFFORD IT psychologically/emotionally to recognize the kind hand extended to here gently showing the weakness of her argument I TOTALLY understand the mind set at work as I was one of them once.What is important is that YOU CARE & try to put that across
Recently, I asked a Scientology auditor to explain the process to me and how what he was doing was likely to help the person being audited. It was in an setting where lots of other people were quite able to explain, openly, the theories and methods behind their work. The Scientologist wasn't able/willing to do this. Why, when you're supposed to be offering a personal, beneficial service?
"Visios on this seem to indicate that it is a scalloped-lip, white-shelled creature. The clam was, of course, quite thoroughly fixed to the rocks and the state is very static. The Clam had many troubles. The first of these troubles is the double-hinge problem. One hinge wishes to stay open, the other tries to close....As soon as the hinges are formed in the Clam, we have our first efforts to be completely contrary and internally at war."
Why do you remove your comments? Please feel no shame to speak your mind. I think you do quite well & have displayed NO imbalance or cruelty in your remarks. You are a kind person to my mind.
yes exactly. that was the POINT. things that were once considered "right" are very wrong today.
and things that were once considered "wrong" are very RIGHT today.
and things that SHOULD be considered wrong are condoned to this day and vice versa.
and things that are considered "wrong" today will be considered very RIGHT decades from now. (or sooner perhaps).
thanks for the agreement.
Correction...I see that data for "Estimated minutes watched" is not available before September 1, 2012 so that 8,050,332 minutes of damning video about Scientology has been viewed in this past year alone.
From History of Man: "A variety of incidents may intervene between the HELPER and the WEEPER. These are the evolution chain which includes jellyfish, seaweed and some other forms...It is also interesting that bulbous seaweed is an early pattern of Man’s later general form...THE CLAM is a deadly incident but mostly when restimulated on purpose. Although this area of the track is called the CLAM, it is improbable that the actual animal was a clam such as our razorbacks."
Clue: It's actually rude to preach at someone when they are trying to eat a meal in peace.
Sorry, English is not my first language and all the background chatter makes it kind of hard for me to understand properly what's being discussed - if it's not too much to ask could someone write a transcript of the video?
To which I have to say: He has a career, is famous, done a lot of service by way of uncovering fraud & deception perpetrated against the spiritually desperate & emotionally tormented by those who think nothing of preying on the agonies of others. His not agreeing w/your personal assessment of the 9/11 attacks has nothing to do w/his ability to debunk Hubbard. That's like saying because I stole a pepsi in 1977 I am not qualified to opine on Harry Houdini. He doesn't strike me as stupid at all.
Hubbard used to shoot speed & hypnotics His personal doctor talks ALL ABOUT IT. The idea that someones son WOULD NOT know all the ins & outs of his dad is ridiculous.
He told him early on, he's read the damn thing. Period. No need for further discussion.