Fault Code P0299 = NEW TURBO!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2021
- Jonny and Jon both encounter low boost trouble code P0299 on two different cars, a VW Tiguan and an Audi A6. The problem is the same for both cars and cannot be repaired. Both cars require complete new turbos.
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I solved the Turbo issue by buying 2005 e90 325i (N52) with NO TURBO :) And as this is the last engine with indirect injection, it solves carbonization issue as well - for free! :)
@@kaazillion There is also I think the F11 523i and/or 528i that came with the N52 engine
Yeah but then you have to deal with all the other E90 issues
Yea but it’s slow.
Anytime you use the word "buying" it isn't free.
I solved all my car ownership issues by simply getting rid of my car. Now i cant go anywhere!
Well issues from different cars but same car manufacturer. This tells me many things. Thank you for this video. I'll make my own inferences.
We just went through a streak of these. Seems like it always goes that way. I've only done a few of these on longitudinal engines. Transverse seems a little tighter.
We use these old turbos as door stops. I've considered saving them up and welding them together into a sculpture.
Yeah super common issue, the part is built like trash unfortunately, and the way you have to replace the whole manifold like that - this is absolutely engineered obsolescence in action. Just shows what a crowd of evil bastards VAG are.
Yep, super common problem on those engines! It's happened to a couple friends of mine in fact. I've heard that it's about a $5k job at the VW dealership.
Nice job with the editing on this video! One of my absolute favorite channels, I’d watch this if it was filmed on an iPhone 4.
“Filmed” on an iPhone X-S
Great video as always..
That is sh!tty engineering to have a wear part that cannot be replaced separately.
There are replacement kit’s for That here in europé 🤷🏻♂️. No need to Change the turbo
How about providing more detail? Do you have a link? Name of manufacturer? Golly gee! Thanks partner!
Like always, lucky you
It seems pretty mad you have to swap a whole turbo just for the wastegate. Like Jon said this is pretty common on some BMW's but can be fixed without a whole new unit.
Well the thing is, you want to warrant your repair. You can fix the play but it will be an ongoin issue.
replacing the whole unit is the best way for customer and repair shop.
BMW and Mercedes also have this problem
Ok so you can rebuild a bimmer turbo, but what about everything else that breaks on bimmers?
IMO it's a scheme by VW Group to make sales from turbos.
What's even more crazy is the owners replacing the turbos with...another same factory turbo. I never understood this for a minute but see it all the time. Might as well get a K04--not much more money for a kit including tuning, and you get a *ton* more power as a result. Also K04s usually have the adjustable wastegate arm with the threaded part and the nuts on the end.
Tyler’s jeep looks nice!
12:20 “Say hello to my little friend!” 😎
It would be interesting if the video told us the cost of the parts, hours billed and mileage on the car.
Sure would.
Original turbos from the manufacture are about $1-2,000, labor should be about 4-6hrs. Shop labor rate varies. Save to say it’s a $2500 dollar job. Extended warranties cover these repairs.
@@rgmylife664 Jon takes about 12 hours. 9 of that is him talking though.
I had the same code in my 2006 A4 quattro 2.0TFSI. UA-cam showed loads of videos saying its the wastegate. So I bought a NEW turbo. Got the old one off, wastegate was tight as anything, could not move it at all. The compressor wheel had about 0.5 - 1mm of forwards and backwards play, 0mm left n right. When the turbo was being removed the nuts holding the exhaust manifold to the block were all loose. Only the middle one actually needed to be cracked off. I've possibly done 90k miles with it like that an not had any codes. PCV was changed at the same time, but with this new turbo my car has the power is should have had. Possibly it could have had the same result if we had just tightened the bolts, but ill never know now. The old one does seem to have a crack in the wastegate housing, so fitting a new one was probably a good idea. 155000 miles and the car pulls like its new.
Good to see Ninja using fender guards in case of minor scratches , young mechanic with beard should take note...customers car protection as best to their ability : )
That fault code can actually pop up for a faulty MAP sensor that is STUCK LOW, and the OVERBOOST code for one that is STUCK HIGH. Check THAT first everyone. Live data with a scan tool will verify.
I was about to say the same - even a worn DV can cause the same code.
You still need to do the labour to remove the assembly...down time while machine shop has part...no warranty on the part...reassembly of everything...and then what cross your fingers? Best solution is not to buy German Junk period. Labour is expensive. Lease these pieces of crap and give them back...or don't buy them period. You can't fix stupid.
You can do whatever you want but if the wastegate is not sealing correctly it will never perform properly
@@rwd323 I know, but checking for bad MAP sensor first is easier than taking turbo out. It is sometimes a simpler fix. If the MAP is fine, then by all means check wastegate. But then again, I'm a logical guy. Logical troubleshooting is a dying art in these days of parts changers like these guys.
It isn't logical to assume that you know what did or did not happen beforehand.
This problem was fully diagnosed as being the waste gate, long before the new part was ever ordered.
The video only focused on the actual problem.
Worn bushings? Toss the whole turbo! German ingenuity.
Crazy... needing turbos so commonly.
2015 gti $1700.00 repair at 58k. Oil change every 5k car not beat on. Thank you CarMax for covering this.
I have a similar waste gate issue in my '15 Mini Cooper Countryman S ALL4. Is there a particular manufacturer or type of turbo you would recommend to replace with? Or is this just the nature of the beast and any replacement would likely eventually fail in the same way?
why isn't there a $50 rebuild kit for the worn bushings, instead of needing a whole turbo unit ? That is dumb.
Whenever i get these engines with a mil on i rev the engine to about 4k and release if its bad you will hear the metallic rattling, easy way to know before scanning
would be great to see it with vacuum applied
its also due to poor maintenance. many people just drive and dont care about anything. But these cars in europe run 300.000KM relatively easy with no turbo replaced at all, but they get maintained well.
I also believe german cars for the euro market are much better made than those for the american market. Remember that americans change cars every 5 years at least. That could be a thing.
Would just bending the rod with a wee bit of heat be a quick and dirty way of taking up the slack in the wastegate rod... maybe spacing the wastegate actuator with a few washers too.... or even better, weld it closed!!! AND ADD NOS!!!
that's what some do. Hold it open heat it and whack it with a hammer.
That opening scene 😂
I have the B9 2.0T. I tightened the wastegate to the point there is zero play, but it won’t come out of limp mode. I’ve unplugged the battery, taken fuses out, and tried all the tricks. Next step in using an OBDEleven
did you solve the problem?
Not only do you have to replace the turbo for a small problem but the new turbo has to come with the entire manifold. VW Group cars are not meant to be used without warranty
how many miles do these vehicles have on them? how long those blow off valve bushings last
What is that website /program you use to see the workshop removal processes?
Good old VW group turbos galore
I use to just replace the wastegate and make a new lever and weld it to the shaft
Isnt it a good idea to be sure the oil line to the turbo is flowing 100%? Asking because another channel had a customer who had their turbo replaced by a different shop and it failed due to lack of lubrication, he had to take the oil supply line out and replace due to it being clogged
There are A LOT of parts to the assembly if the waste gate shaft is the one thing that's wrong...why does the entire assembly need replacing?
Do I smell a sponsorship?! Or at least a job in modeling?! (Funny how he wouldn't even waste the NOS pouring it on his face and used water!) LOL - He REALLY loves his NOS!
Can you please tell me the website/source you were looking about the turbo
Add an external waste gate 🤷♂️
solution just give the actuator rod a little bend old school style lol!
When it's supposed to be leg day but it's turbo day instead :D
Why not use a BorgWarner? They seem to be superior of OEM. Prices would be nice.
Snap that stud. Your putting a new turbo on.😅
What causes these Audi turbos to go out like that?
what about just cutting the the rod, threading it and put on a connection nut with lock nuts ? cheap fix for a simple problem ? probably not a lot of space back there to do that though
@Burt Reynolds Corpse Bring it on ! 😅
In my 790K km Mercedes W210 diesel the original turbo is perfectly fine. 👍
They already have a solution; buy a new turbo. And later buy a new engine. How many miles on that turbo?
Okay but what do you do when you swap for new turbo, all things are looking good, driving to work 2 days later and same p0299 code again?
I would cut the shaft, pull it tight and weld it. Lose some movement but probably not too much.
Nice job guys. Do y’all have a lot of Volvo’s in the shop lately? That would be a good video to see. 📈
Has anyone else noticed the resemblance between Jon and Wes Chatham from "The Expanse"?
On my 2007 Passat P0299 was actually caused by a misfire because of a bad coil pack
Can't just the actuator on the turbo be replaced?
Just wondering how many hours billed for this job?
So my 2017 Tiguan under extended warranty just threw this code and supposedly they removed the turbo and sent it off somewhere to rebuild it with a new waste gate???? After watching several videos of everyone saying just replace the turbo I don’t think it’s going to last too long if they’re just putting a new wastegate on 😂 But I’ve got a few years left of warranty and I’ll definitely be selling the vehicle before it’s out of warranty hahaa
How many miles?
Need help; 08 X5 N52 hesitates during acceleration, no engine light, checked all coils spark plugs, vanos, new oil, new air filter, cleaned maf sensor, checked valvetronic gasget, and still not fixed
Gas filter? Diesel filter?
You can get a new wastegate and bushing for $15. Still have to pull the turbo though.
Insane this isn't a "change a bushing and tighten a bolt" repair.
There is no reason for any machine shop not to EASILY fix that play even if it has no repair kits available
In America the hourly rate is more expensive than the replacement part. So fixing the waste gate on a used all in one turbo, manifold, waste gate is most likely more expensive than getting a new replacement part.
@@frestkd Turbo is $1K-$2K depending where you buy it. I don't know any shop anywhere that charges $1K or more an hour, genius.
These are electronically controlled turbos. As you can see by the electronic servo. Repairing the waste gate is not available and is not advised. So no repair is available then no repair is given. Only replacements. Most of those cars have extended warranties. Not everyone is gonna be footing 2k shop bills for a turbo especially since they just got a timing chain service done on it a month ago that timing chain service alone is about 2k -3k service on a Audi A6. On a 2014 A6 that’s about 20-30% of its value in a month
Could you cut 1/2’ out of the rod, thread both ends and spin on a threaded coupler to tighten it up?
shhhhh, modern mechanics = replace replace replace. REPAIR is old school.
Yup he’s exactly right by saying that, and little so they know, they can bend the line in an s shape and problem is solved, I’ve done say at least 40 of these engines, never once replaced a turbo
@@aldinnukicic3458 I seen some guys wedge open the wastegate then heat up that wastegate arm with a torch and smack it with a hammer bending the arm just enough so that it closes tight after that.
@@bbigjohnson069 torch and hammers !!!! Yeah baby !!!! 😀😀😀😂😂😂😂😂🚘🚘🚘🚘🍺🍺🍺🍺
Nice use of water instead of actual NOS!!! Nonetheless, NOS is the best energy drink!!!
I'm pretty sure that's like the 12th commandment or something "Thou shal not waste thy energy drink on video intros" or something like that
Nice
I bet that repair costs a fortune having to change all that lump
That was like $60 wasted at the beginning!
The 2015 Ford Explorer turbocharged four cylinder has the exact same problem. Problem is when trying to buy a new turbocharger nobody has them in stock, not even the Ford dealer. Very poor design, should be a factory recall in my book.
Interesting video 👍
2015. Lasted for its 3 year warranty period. That’s all the manufacturers care about.
At least more bushing rebuilt kits for waste gates..
Recalls are for safety issues only. No recourse for shitty design.
How many miles for those to lose turbos? Any way to fix just waste gate, looks very expensive part to change whole manifold with turbos!
one guy on here said 58K
Tools for cut nuts exist long time.
Where's the music intro???
I guess is Turbos day video
Thank goodness I drive a Toyota V8. I'll live with my MPG.
I watched the whole thing
Somebody out there makes bushings that size or could easily make them. No one has taken the time to find them and R&R.
Wouldn't it be nice to have designed into these parts the ability to repair them, not just throw new parts (manufacturer engineers and bean counters...hello?).
Looks like you've created a fun place to work Jonny...nice! If work is fun, it's not work anymore.
It's all about money... if they make everything serviceable then how are they supposed to sell these kits for thousands of dollars.
No no the manufacturers want things to break so you go buy new ones.
Why wouldn't you cut the rod in half, cut a bit out say 5-10mm , then cut opposing threads in the shaft and fit a socket with opposing threads like a turnbuckle and then shorten the rod. It should then last for quite a while. How much does a new turbo cost ? Must be over USD 1000-1500 .
$1K-$2K
Hey guys, At what mileage does this code pop up generally, or does it depend on the type of driving
I worked at VW they fail when ever. I've changed them even with 20,000 miles. Best answer sell it before you need it.
Notice they have el cheapo aftermarket coils too. So customer must have been having misfire fun before the wastegate gave up the ghost and whole assembly needs to be done. I wonder if they will trade for another VW. Probably.
What makes you think they are aftermarket?
@@rwd323 They are red. Factory is black.
@@rwd323 They all end up misfiring.
Plenty of OEM Vag coils are red
@@rwd323 lol yeah I'm sure they are original. Likely good for 200k miles. Factory are black.
Right We don't want to ever see Jon doing that again, and if you are thinking of going to the Bikini scene you need to have public warnings.
So it seems that VAG turbos aren't all that great ;) Do the new ones have the same waste gate design or have they modified it to allow future adjustments?
That's very funny; they make a lot of money selling replacement parts
the problem is that VW or Audi don't made any turbos they are made by IHI , GARRET, KKK, or Borg and Wagner it's up to the supplier to produce a reliable system but sometimes they don't get it right the first time and that's a shame the customer has to foot the bill. I remember when I had a audi S6 with the 5 cylinder engine the waste gate was a pop off type and it was servicable and reliable . but it took more space . now VW is going with a VTG turbo a the 1.5 gas engine this could be bad of good we all have to wait to see if it's going to be reliable.
Same problem. They had a TSB to add a clip to the new ones. The vehicles that were made after the bulletin had them... they still failed.
@@7MGTEsupra89 All the clip did was dampen the vibrations in the rod to prevent a rattling sound, not fix the worn out bushing and boost leak issue
@@audikris Your right about damping the vibrations. The vibrations are what actually cause the failure. They cause the shaft going into the turbo to wear out the bushing inside.
It would benefit viewers to give vehicle mileage.
please give Jon a new hat/cap . apart from that good video
5:29
Man- clean CLK55 in the background
Two gorgeous Mercedes in the background... That 2001 clk 430 and the cls63 or 55 not sure but classic Benz designs. Those turbos are so annoying and unreliable. But now from what I've seen, they make them a service friendly. Turbos are in front so "easier" to remove and replace. Still hate them. 😡
Lol what an intro.
👍
man! whole turbo for that wastegate... thats the easy way out i guess
Engineers signing off on a turbo design with a common and simple moving part unable to be serviced, adjusted or repaired without replacing a major component of the engine… either that’s incompetence or built in obsolescence… take a guess which… scandalous when you think about it…
And that is why I will never buy a car with a turbo.
Can't see anything
Let me get this straight... You're throwing away a $1500 turbo assembly because of $1.50 worth of bushings?
No they're about $8 remember it's VAG so everything overpriced.
the shaft assembly becomes "loose" from poor design...and they require you to buy that entire assembly 95% of which is not required to fix the problem. Brilliant...well obviously for parts sale hustle.
12:15 shutter speed
Great German engineering can't even engineer an adjustable waste gate shaft got to bye the entire tubo can't you get a turbo reconditioner to modify it
VW has landed on my do not buy list!
If it was my car i would just bend the rod get the tension back...
Most VW/Audi vehicles that I know of that have this turbo issue usually are on "tuned" vehicles. You crank up the boost, the OEM stuff just won't last. These are things people don't think about when they do a simple "tune". You Pay to Play 😎
I've changed them on little old lady's cars under warranty. Bad design is a bad design.
@@7MGTEsupra89 true but it's not the norm. Most I've seen failed were on tuned cars.
This issue is normal. The NA VW engines are the better out of that camp
@@gasolara2002 not sure if that is true or not... One thing I do know... Once you go forced induction very difficult to go back to NA. SLOW is the first word that comes to mind 🤔 Though I will admit my Dad's 60 bug convertible has it's original trans and engine and still runs like a switch watch.😎
It's all great when new and this is why I will not buy anything other than a naturally aspirated engine.
Don’t buy a vw
So many people destroy their turbos by racing around under boost and then shutting the engine off hot. Turbos spin REALLY FAST and they basically spin on a film of oil and the get HOT. IF YOU LET THE ENGINE IDEL FOR 2-3 MINUTES before you shut it off the turbos won’t fail. How do I know 2004 audi s4 250,000 on the original engine and turbos…..
This problem has nothing to do with turbo bearings. Also, where did 2004 S4s come with turbos?
VW engineering is truly the most garbage when it comes to maintenance out of all the major euro brands.
They are all like this now.
transverse mounted engines all have turbos on the back side. The turbo is not built by VW but by Mitsubishi or some other company.
@@johnclark7406 not all the ecotech has the turbo up front, as do most Ford and Mazdas
it's okay if you're too lazy
2 many rds 😂
Wow this is complete nonsence.... why isn't there a repair kit... Poor VW needs to sell parts...
Two cars with 2.0 that has bad turbos, *looks under hood and sees 2.0* DAMN IT
Sucks factory junk fails so badly.
I`m about to do this repair on my 2011 Tiguan at 116,000 miles. I will not be replacing the turbo, because its not necessary. Repair kits are available for the wastegate flapper....you can get them with or without the vacuum actuator. Here is a "how to" video....its not difficult at all. ua-cam.com/video/kRHmjAD3JHc/v-deo.html
Give me a Honda or Toyota any day over a VW, Audi, BMW Volvo Jaguar Fiat Aston Martin or any German or British car, the Germans really over engineer their cars. But their used cars usually have problems and are fairly cheap.