Composing Canons!
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- A canon is a melody that sounds good when two or more people perform it together, but starting on different times. These are also called rounds. Row Row Row Your Boat #gentlydownthestream is a famous one. Imitative counterpoint has a long history in Western Music, so why not learn how to canon with best of em?
Peace,
Adam
Awesome! Sounds like counterpo-
He sounded so dead inside
What was he actually saying?
"Sounds like counterpoint"
What does it mean? Im no native speaker
It's a composition technique : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint
My mind really wants to hear a harpsichord instead of a piano lol
DuhAverageJoe I would like to hear the finished version of this performed on a well tempered clavier.
Brandenburg Concerto No.3
Hey guys! do you think i'm on the right way? It's my first canon kkk
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Well this is not a Canon, nor a counterpoint piece, it is just a melody and its accompaniment as I hear it, and I think this is a little bit confuse as a music. Sometimes it feels like it lacks structure.
There are however some nice melodc ideas !
Keep in mind that I'm in no means an expert.
(Also please put the sharps on the key ! ^^)
edit: if you want it to sound like counterpoint, avoid the octaves intervals. At the beginig there are a lot of them and it's not great
Thank you very much! :D
That is so cool. And with modern software it's so easy to write and instantly hear how it sounds. We live in a golden age of music.
Just to let you know, this kind of software has been around for a long time. I recall using Finale Notepad back in 2003. Even then, there were still even older versions of this type of software available for free.
In the scheme of music history 2003 was yesterday.
too bad all the good stuff is overlooked in favour of pop music.
Helium Road just means more shitters who are lazy at music will get into it, and the average quality of music will go down.
Yet the modern music is the worst ever
06:06 - "Let's hear it."
Great lesson! Thanks!
You explained this really well, and I would love to see more videos on composition methods like this! I really appreciate that you're able to teach so efficiently while still getting all the necessary information across.
"Awesome! Sounds like counterpo--"
*End of video.*
Euphonious, was the word you were looking for, I believe.
Eurythmic
Euphonium
Euronymus
euranus
euridite
You make it look so easy x.x I know you studied years to get to that level, but... Damn.
it is easy.........
If you think it is easy then you are not trying hard enough.
pigmemonkey canons to me are like a math formula you just follow the rules and "magic" will happen
You'll probably get to this point after a semester of music theory -- don't be discouraged :)
I've taken one year of music theory and I understand everything he is saying.
Needs...more...cowb......reverb.
qwaqwa1960 distortion and delay
all EQs at noon, just a little bit of reverb.
Why not both
MOAR COWBELL
ADAM! I am using this video in my counterpoint class tomorrow. My students are tired of listening to me, and you explain it exactly the way I would have. Plus, they all think you're cooler than I am, so....
I would have ended the canon on A instead of C.
Ugh I know that bugged me so badly. I understand that he wanted to make it a true canon, but that B was just begging to resolve to an A
He probably would have finished on A if it was longer than three bars.
take a shot everytime he says "woohoo"
What year are we? 🥴🥴🥴
Wow! You make it look so easy and casual!
YOU DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO IT?!
at 6:08 man
david mays
Yeah. But he was finished by then.
It's just that he managed to create that without ever listening until the end.
Well when he writes a note we/he can hear it so you can imagine the melodies working together in your head
Sagolel4797
If you played them past each other within a short time I'd understand.
I'm just really impressed he'd know what it's going to sound like, if that is the case and he's not just using techniques, which would sill be impressive.
PauLtus B I'd figure his comfortable knowledge of music theory allows him a lot of extra skill in audiating the notes. The hardest thing to predict for me at least would be rhythmic alliteration or just awkward sounding transitions. The melody and harmony are sure to sound in the key when being written with the use of theory.
Nicely done Adam, you explained that clearly and concisely. I'd love to see more videos like these where you explore concepts like Canons and other things within music theory. Thanks for making these!
This video helped me test out of Music Fundamentals and into Theory I. Thanks muchly.
This is exactly what I wanted to see, that fact that your narrating your thought process is great!
Ive been a fan of yours for a while, and my school didn't have music theory or much music classes (my current college major) and you and 12 tone were super helpful learning music stuff and these old videos are still wildly helpful and fun!
wtf?? THAT WAS FANTASTIC
This looked so fun that I just had to try it out for myself. I'm pretty happy with the result!
I should get this program when I compose canons I just do it in my head. This looks much easier
Wow Adam, I learned two new major things about music and I JUST discovered your channel. Brilliant work!
Dude this was the single most useful video for understanding how to make stuff sound "classical" (forgive the generality, I mainly listen to metal music) I've ever seen. I'd love it if you did more writing explanation videos like this!
Keep up the badass work brother!
YES watched this one over a few times while tinkering with Sibelius, love you
When it suddenly ended I found myself wishing the video was an hour long.
this is literally a person explaining the composition process and i love it
Great video Adam, watched it a couple times and its really helping me. I was wondering what program you're using? Is it apple exclusive? Cheers!
+victordeviking Sibelius, and no, definitely not!
It's Sibelius 6 and it's available for Mac and Windows
Musescore is indeed good, my only complaint is its marching percussion is less than great
Just imagine what Telemann would have done with good software!
He'd have written a whole set of canon sonatas!
The infamous Pachelbel's Canon popped into my mind as soon as I saw the title, but I'm glad I watched the whole thing. I stumbled across your channel not long ago and I enjoy your content. I've already learned some of the material through either college, or doing my own research, but it's nice to be able to go back and do some review with a sometimes different perspective. I like how you dive into most of the aspects of music, not just learning how to play an instrument.
Love how bored he is by the end. Top music school graduate attitude.
"Sounds like counterpoint."
Well, I sure hope it does.
ROAD WORK AHE-
I love finding old adam neely videos accidently
It would be cool to see more videos like this where you take a theoretical concept and show how it would be used in a compositional environment, as well as/instead of existing examples. One way to get around the demonetisation, maybe?
Thanks a bunch for pointing out I should approach this like counterpoint, rather than setting up chords. That makes sense :-)
I'd love to have more of this. I'm looking through your other videos to see if you have some. This could be a format - short composition videos. Just saying... I'd watch lol
Thanks for this video. Didn't know what a cannon was before this
Can ylu do the same but for a fugue please? I'd imagine you do a similar thing, but there's a lot more variety that i think would make it very tricky
Can we get more of this kind of video please?
So... it was, it was just that?!? Wow.
You make complex things seem easy.
Would the middle section of Prophets Song by Queen be considered a canon
I believe it would. Great song!
I am ridiculously happy to find a mention of this song in a comment section. To answer the question, yes it's a canon, but more than that I just wanted to say how happy I was to see this comment :')
Same!
check out Telemann's Canonical sonatas! they are all canons, and they change keys, and sound amazing.
great !
its look like Sibelius just annoying you when you working with as mine !! i mean drawing notes ...lol
anyway...thanks for great video...*_* !
yes ,of course :)
Quick question here. What is your opinion on linear counterpoint? Do you use it at all or do you always think in intervals? I use it a lot in my band and I find it a lot of fun.
That was awesome! Thank you.
Every time I hear that F, I expect the rest of we are number one to play
We're gonna start in the key of a minorrrrrrrrrr
These are fun! I did one in cubase!
Dustin Clark what? Why would he do this again???
CONSONANT, ADAM
This gives me some good ideas! Thanks
1:48
Great. Now I only hear Moanin' by Art Blakey...
3:10 To me, Adam sounds like Mr. Garrison when he says "strange"
wow end result was great
My new favourite channel :)
I would expect a little bit more thinking done on the horizontal aspect of the voice as well rather than just considering what intervals work best each time and not discussing the continuity and cohesion of the whole. At the end of the day, counterpoint is all about the coexistence of musical lines that already sound complete in themselves, so I would like to hear more about how one can achieve that when writing a canon or any other kind of counterpoint rather than just discussing which intervals work best.
I had Arthur Welwood for this class...2009.
"Woo-hoo" -Adam Neely
Thank you for uploading this.
Brilliant!
Genial! grettings from Brazil!
Woohoo!
OMG IM STEALING THIS xD kidding, but it sounds so beautifull
I want the whole of music to be based upon canons. I even have a dream that one day, everything will be realized to be a canon.
Just play the Final Countdown over itself. Seriously.
I love this letsplayer
so you can consider the delay effect a canon since it does pretty much the same thing in a wider scale.
i'd say you CAN do a canon with delay, but for that to be you'd have to be thinking about the relationship between what you are playing and what you played which the delay is playing back... so relating counterpoint-ally to your own delay. Not all Delay is Canon, Canon is a musical procedure, Delay is an effect. And I don´t mean you have to obey the rules that Adam followed, which are the traditional ones, but that you'd have to be relating to the delay, not ignoring it
What software for composing do you use? I’m using Finale, I’m not a big fan
I'm definitely not great at composing music, but I feel like that last note in the bass should be an A. Since the treble is a C the last note being a B to me doesn't really feel like an end to the song, it's almost like it's leaving me on a cliffhanger. Please explain the thing I'm either missing or hearing wrong!
super cool!!
Technically a round is a very specific type of canon. A canon can be the same melody played together with any kind of transformation of itself.
So the Basics of the canon is to shift the Cantus firmus voice to voice?
The ending, of the video, was abrupt. I wanted to hear the resulting single melody played solo. But, anyway, nice concise tutorial.
Wahoo
I really hope i wasn't the only one clicking on this video thinking he was composing for actual cannons? I mean I know canon is one less 'N' but a man get his hopes up right? No? okay..
I really was hoping for some 1812 overture action.
Canon for Two Cannons. Challenge accepted.
cool
Just a quick question, and I know it's a matter of taste these days, but for "traditional" harmony, when you are harmonizing a run of notes, how do you treat passing notes? Harmonize the on-grid ones?
hahahaha i was just about to begin writing a fugue in Sibelius and this was just a bit too real for me
That was cool.
@adam Neely, do you prefer this software youre using compared to others? I use finale notepad and often find it frustrating to use.
Wow that actually sounded good. You're very fluent at composition Adam. Why don't you write more counterpoint?
I think you just blew my mind.
About parallel fifths... I took theory in school, I know it's a classical no-no... but also as a metal guitarist it's definitely a solid tool that brings a lot of heaviness (especially when you write a riff in drop D and just play the same riff on the A string simultaneously). This will work on steel and nylon acoustic as well(No drop D required). If you play parallel fifths the guitar brings out this crazy aggressive natural "distortion"...Probably all the harmonics working together? I also like it when I record Rock vocals because I feel like my separate tracks blend well... but like you said it definitely does not bring out a second voice... only accentuates the root note in a way that makes it sound like an effect(like a 'Fifths Synth'.)
Thank you for bringing meaning to some previously discarded knowledge! I also learned not to throw away anything I learn from anybody.
yes like todd said, also many paralell 5ths and parallel octaves are allowed in a row, BUT its NOT allowed to be used in the middle of independent lines, as the lines lose there independent sound, which confuses the listener of how many lines they are listening too, and which ones which etc.... when theres multiple parallels in a row that is ok, because it doesnt confuse the listener
Hey adam do you know of any programs that have a voice to text feature for writing music? It be cool to sing notes and there name and have it be transcribed.
I am looking for apps like this as well, and if I find one I will let you know. I do think Mixcraft ilets you do some fun things like modulate or augment (or time stretch) one vocal track and put it next to it's copy. And lots of loops and splicing ability. If you can play piano, it will also give you the midi piano roll or the notes for what you play. And you can enter in one track at a time, then put them next to each other and pick the bpm, etc.
This is so fucking cool!
Tres fooli napsty
Gah! The bass wants to end on A as well!
What is the difference between a fugue and a canon? They seem really similar in their use of counter point.
Writing a canon with low battery
wow! genius!
That sounds counterpoints
I understand that fugues are similar, but what would you do differently for them?
It sounds more like one of Bach's Inventions.
what music program are you using?
Could you incorporate a third voice into this by doing the same thing with mirroring the preceding half bar? Any tips for this?
Great video! I just hope that you would have talked a bit more about when it is ok to use dissonances (on weak beats), since a beginning composer watching this can get an impression that only 3rds, 6ths, 5ths and 8ths/unisons are allowed.
nice!
first melody kinda sounds like that one song from blank banshee
holy shit how did you do that
people normally say "consonant" instead of "euphonous" I think
i llove you ur so good
Why are perfect 4ths considered dissonant? Are perfect 4ths and 5ths not basically the same harmonically?
Boom!