Thanks Jake. I love how openly you share these experiences with everyone. These little details are such small but tangible connections with the realities of those legendary moments.
Jake! You are the best collector and teller of stories. Simultaneously, intriguing and accessible - a gift as rare as the artifacts. Keep them coming but keep 'scurvy' out of the line up. lol
I’m not a marketing person, but man do you need one. How the heck do you have less than 5k followers and the documentary on your 2019 search is super hard to find and is far better than the Synott search documentary. Your content and story telling is so good!
Ha, as you can tell, I'm not a marketing person either! I guess a lot of it is I don't try very hard to market as it's not really my aim, but rather just to tell and share interesting stories, etc. Glad you enjoy them, and if you have ideas on how to get the word out better and more, I'm all ears!
Fascinating video. I got laughing so hard at your casual mention of the summit rock that I had to pause it for a couple of minutes! Because it's the 100 year anniversary, I recently purchased one of John Noel's postcards so it was wonderful to hear you discuss Noel and the history of the postcard. Now I'm going to have to find one of the postcards from your 1999 expedition as a companion piece. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of Everest in such an enjoyable format.
Ha, glad you caught and liked my bit of sideways humor! And, glad you got yourself one of Noel's postcards - such cool bits of history. I had a couple of them, but auctioned one off for dZi Foundation, but still have one, happily! Drop me a note off my website with your address and I'll send you one of our cards from 1999!
Well, was there room for 4 cells in that battery box? The D cell has only 1.5 volts per. Sinclair said it was a 6-volt motor. The typical 35mm film camera needs a minimum of 30 watts, more than you could get out of D cells. The mystery continues.
Stuart, great to hear from you! The expedition battery LEGEND! I'm not entirely sure to be honest. The battery looks similar to a modern D-cell in size, but maybe a bit bigger. There is no writing or anything on the ones I found, so I'm unsure. Was the 6-volt motor from 1922, or 1924? I know Noel worked with Sinclair after 1922 to develop a better motor and battery system, as it sounds like the '22 system was underpowered, batteries exhausted too quickly. There's an ad from post-24 where he raves about the 1924 batteries, how long they lasted, etc.
❤ hey jake happy Saturday new upload 😊😊so fascinating and thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge with insight into this iittle strange and funny looking lump 😊. My instant thought was a primitive battery cell possibly so I'm cheered by the outcome xx
Thanks for taking the time to upload this. Great piece of history. Wouldl love to hear more of each of the artifacts on your shelves. Quite an interesting collection.
Great find, research and history lesson. Do you think anything big may happen this year, the 100th? A new expedition to look for Irvine or perhaps some new evidence of where he is? Keep up the good work. I like your calm demeanor.
Thanks, @jaybee7890, much appreciated! I haven't heard of anything big happening for the 100th. I wish there was, and I guess I wouldn't be surprised per se if someone is poking around up high this season, but I know of no concrete plans to do so. But, would be great to have more information!
Fact, 1924 is a year written in stone, Did Mallory & Irvine summit Mount Everest. Artefacts from 1921 22 & 24 are all related to Mallory & Irvine's attempt to reach the summit of Mount Everest, every item are priceless artefacts. We too have all the data from that epic 1999 search finding Mallory & his personnel artefacts, and now the location of Sandy Irvine's partial remains. Without doubt Mount Everest is, Mallory & Irvine's Mountain.
I remember reading about an Everest Summit... don't remember the name of mountaineer at the moment who did the climb... to gather rocks for scientific analysis of summit rocks. My question is that if the rock you have could be compared to those retrived for the analysis, and if they matched, would that help establish whether Malloy's came from summit? I know this might be simplistic, and may have already been done so just a thought. 🤷♀️
Hi Ryan, I've answered about the glove in the past, but will do so again. I don't remember a second glove, only one. I think David Roberts, who wrote Conrad's book, was mistaken. A great climber and writer, David was not always thorough on all the details in his account of 1999. But, anything can be made into a conspiracy, right? As for your rope question, I don't know why I'm even bothering to answer, but no, that's not true. None of us were up there souvenir hunting, despite that being a fun narrative to tell. Hope this helps, and thanks.
@@jake_norton Thx for the reply Jake. I only ask because of the complete desecration Thom Pollard and Andy did to GM on the 2nd visit, the pictures Thom took and stripping Mallory of literally everything the man had. You do have a neat collection of years past though for sure. In your experience is their less high profile groups out searching the old routes and camps as well ?
The spanner I found in 2004 in the remains of the Chinese Camp VIIa on the First Step. I think it was primarily for their oxygen system, as it fits the regulator fittings from 1960 perfectly.
Jake hi from Canmore, Alberta, not too far apart 15 hr drive. However we share the worlds best playground in our backyards. I really should do some climbing in CO, have enjoyed MT and WY though. Think you are being far too hard on yourself re the "worlds worst UA-camr" comment. I appreciate that you post when you have quality content or comment not just for the sake of racking up UA-cam placement. This posting is a perfect example obviously I was aware there was film footage of the early Everest attempt taken by John Noel 1922. But knew nothing beyond the photo of him hunched behind that huge aluminum box on massive wood tripods. Photo from "Ghosts Of Everest" awesome book, (Hemmleb, Larry Johnson, Eric Simonson). Now I know the whole story amazingly ingenious for the time. All that from you taking the time to pick of a piece of detritus from poking out of the glacier. Then doing the deep dive so many years later for our benefit. Thanks for showing us articles in your office, that split O2 cylinder looks interesting not seen that before?. O2 cylinders and different delivery systems really interest me US vs Russian vs Chinese for example. Do you have preference of O2 delivery set ?. Personally I prefer quality content over quantity content this posting is quality. Thanks for this take care.
The Mallory-Irvine mystery has fascinated me like no other. Does it all come down to the Chinese removing Irvine's body from the mountain to conceal evidence that would change Everest history ? I know that is just a theory. In your opinion Jake, is it safe to say that Sandy Irvine's body is no longer on the mountain ? Thanks Jake for doing all the leg work for us armchair mountaineers. And do you think there will be any major reveal about the 1924 expedition, considering it is the 100th anniversary of Mallory and Irvine's successful summit of Everest. Sure wish they could have made it back down. I know you have been asked these questions numerous times so for that I apologize.
If Irvine’s body had been removed from the mountain, why would those who spread that rumor have gone through the trouble of setting up an expensive expedition to try to find him in 2019? During which they filmed the critical location with a high altitude drone and never released the footage?
Thanks, @robertmartin8565 , and glad you've appreciated all I've shared out here. And, don't hesitate to ask more questions - I'll do my best to answer! On Irvine's body, I really don''t know what to believe. There's a lot of whispers, but I've yet to hear anything definitive aside from second or third party accounts. So, I don't know to be honest, but it does sadly feel like there's enough perhaps of those accounts to indicate a strong possibility Irvine was removed from the mountain. Very sad if true, and perhaps sadder if that removal lost or destroyed any evidence he might have had on him. On the one hand, I would be OK with the story remaining forever a mystery, but not ok with that outcome if it was due to the Chinese trying to cover up something. As for any major reveal, I could certainly be wrong, but so far as I know there is no real new information out there, no discoveries that have been made. The only exception could in my mind be if the Chinese do indeed know something, and make the decision to come out with it this year. But, I'll likely not hold my breath for that!
I think that Mark did not know about the possible removal of the body until after his 2019 expedition; that info came to light as he was researching and writing the book, not beforehand. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.
@@jake_norton did not know about the timing of the reveal. It still seems hard to believe the Chinese would go through the trouble of getting rid of Irvine’s body. I would imagine it would have to be chiseled out of a mix or ice and rocks. Almost certainly this would mean desecrating the body. For what purpose? Preserve their original claim to the first North Ridge ascent (attempt)? If it’s true it’s a rather callous act and surely they would know History would not look upon them with great regard…
Hello from Evergreen CO! Do you have access to and can you share the drone footage that was taken during the 2019 Nat Geo expedition? Why was it never released?
Are you in Evergreen, too? Nice to meet another local! On the drone footage, no, I have no access to it and have never seen it. That was the National Geographic team, and I was leading the Discovery team, completely different expeditions. You'd have to take up the drone footage issue with Renan and the NG team. Sorry!
@@jake_norton ah, sorry about my confusion! Yes, I'm in Evergreen (Bergen Park). You should create a little museum with your collections, in Evergreen, would love to visit it! I'm currently reading After Everest (Howard Somervell), so I'm in the thick of the mystery :)
No worries at all! And, funny, my office is in Bergen as well - small world! And, glad you're reading After Everest; TH Somervell was quite the man! Drop on by sometime if you want to check out any of the old things I have batting around. You can send me a message off my website and I'll let you know where I am. Thanks!
Were you guys really looking for summit rocks in Mallory’s pockets? From the documentaries back then it seems the only thing you were looking for was the camera
No, they didn't check his pants pockets unfortunately. Their big mistake was not taking an archaeologist or anthropologist along with them who would have known what they were actually doing. It was nothing more than a souvenir hunt for monetary gain.
No, we weren't looking for rocks. I know MT is pretty convinced that (a) we should have been, which may be true, and also (b) that it would be a slam dunk to have found them, distinguish them from any of the other rocks around, etc. I'm not sure on the latter, but the simple answer is no, we were not looking for them.
@davem8836 , interesting thought, and I'm glad to hear you know precisely what our motivations were in 1999. Yup, all about money, nothing else. That's why I now live in a mansion, drive a Ferrari, and own a Gulfstream. Man, our plan worked perfectly! Snideness aside, you are 100% wrong. The trip was not a souvenir hunt, nor was it about monetary gain. I know that is a convenient conspiracy for people to peddle, and feel free to do so if you choose. But, kindly provide some proof as well. And, if you want to head up there to do a better job, grab your archeologists and have at it! Thanks, and be well.
@@jake_norton that makes sense, especially the bit about distinguishing them from surrounding rocks, unless he would have kept them in a bag or rigid container of some kind, which seems unlikely. A trained archeologist/geologist team though would be careful while excavating a site and would certainly notice rocks of different compositions. Now getting that pair up above 8000m, that's a different story!
Definitely! Getting the trained people up there, and then having the stamina, time, and weather to handle it like a full archeology site would be a challenge to say the least!
That summit rocks remark :D Thank you, Jake, for an interesting insight into your collection.
Ha, glad you caught that! Had to have a little fun at least. Thanks!
The story was great what a awesome in site to early history. Thank You!
Well done Jake - great detective work and great story telling. And, bravo to Mr. Noel, too.
Thanks, Jim. Hope you're well my friend!
Very cool Jake! 🏔
Thanks Jake. I love how openly you share these experiences with everyone. These little details are such small but tangible connections with the realities of those legendary moments.
Thanks, @schwabra, and glad you liked it. Hoping to make and share some more soon!
Thanks Jake. Love these little pieces of history.
Thanks, Alex. Hope you're well!
The summit rock in Mallory's pocket quip was comedy gold. I hope you know who can see the humor in it.
Haha, thanks Robert. Had to laugh some!
Good to see you uploading videos here again Jake!
Thanks! Got to do some more!
Dude ... Hats off to you !!!!! I get tired just walking down to the back forty....lol.
Ha, I do, too! It's a fun place to explore up there, but not always the easiest. Thanks!
I want a book tour! And honestly? Every single thing in your office has a story to tell, so please! By all means, tell them!
Ha, thanks, Jo - good to know I'd have one book buyer! :) I'll try to do more and share the oddities in my office! Hope you're well!
@@jake_norton Show and Tell, Adult Addition! I am looking forward to more.
Jake! You are the best collector and teller of stories. Simultaneously, intriguing and accessible - a gift as rare as the artifacts. Keep them coming but keep 'scurvy' out of the line up. lol
Thank you Clair! I'm doing my best to keep the lurking scurvy at bay! Hope you're well, and hoping we cross paths again soon!
I’m not a marketing person, but man do you need one. How the heck do you have less than 5k followers and the documentary on your 2019 search is super hard to find and is far better than the Synott search documentary. Your content and story telling is so good!
Ha, as you can tell, I'm not a marketing person either! I guess a lot of it is I don't try very hard to market as it's not really my aim, but rather just to tell and share interesting stories, etc. Glad you enjoy them, and if you have ideas on how to get the word out better and more, I'm all ears!
Fascinating video. I got laughing so hard at your casual mention of the summit rock that I had to pause it for a couple of minutes! Because it's the 100 year anniversary, I recently purchased one of John Noel's postcards so it was wonderful to hear you discuss Noel and the history of the postcard. Now I'm going to have to find one of the postcards from your 1999 expedition as a companion piece. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of Everest in such an enjoyable format.
Ha, glad you caught and liked my bit of sideways humor! And, glad you got yourself one of Noel's postcards - such cool bits of history. I had a couple of them, but auctioned one off for dZi Foundation, but still have one, happily! Drop me a note off my website with your address and I'll send you one of our cards from 1999!
Jake, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I'd love to see you more often on UA-cam, im sure you have stories on top of stories!
Thanks @TheSmoothGrind - much appreciated! I'll try to add more going forward. Glad people enjoy it!
Well, was there room for 4 cells in that battery box? The D cell has only 1.5 volts per. Sinclair said it was a 6-volt motor. The typical 35mm film camera needs a minimum of 30 watts, more than you could get out of D cells. The mystery continues.
Stuart, great to hear from you! The expedition battery LEGEND! I'm not entirely sure to be honest. The battery looks similar to a modern D-cell in size, but maybe a bit bigger. There is no writing or anything on the ones I found, so I'm unsure. Was the 6-volt motor from 1922, or 1924? I know Noel worked with Sinclair after 1922 to develop a better motor and battery system, as it sounds like the '22 system was underpowered, batteries exhausted too quickly. There's an ad from post-24 where he raves about the 1924 batteries, how long they lasted, etc.
you got me on the Mallory pocket summit rock
Ha, yeah, had to add some levity where possible! Glad you caught it!
The yellow oxygen bottle. Are those signatures on it? Tell us about that and the story behind it.
Ah, that's a good one! I'll do something on that soon. Thanks!
Thanks Jake!!
You're welcome!
❤ hey jake happy Saturday new upload 😊😊so fascinating and thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge with insight into this iittle strange and funny looking lump 😊. My instant thought was a primitive battery cell possibly so I'm cheered by the outcome xx
Great! Glad you liked it, and thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to upload this. Great piece of history. Wouldl love to hear more of each of the artifacts on your shelves. Quite an interesting collection.
Glad you enjoyed, and I'll work on other videos from some of my knick-knacks!
Quality over quantity Jake! You rock in that respect.
Thanks, Jo - much appreciated, as always!
Great find, research and history lesson. Do you think anything big may happen this year, the 100th? A new expedition to look for Irvine or perhaps some new evidence of where he is? Keep up the good work. I like your calm demeanor.
Don’t mentioned a new search around Thom Pollard, he’ll be jumping for joy in anticipation of stripping another body of everything.
Thanks, @jaybee7890, much appreciated! I haven't heard of anything big happening for the 100th. I wish there was, and I guess I wouldn't be surprised per se if someone is poking around up high this season, but I know of no concrete plans to do so. But, would be great to have more information!
Thank you for your story and would love to hear more.
Thanks - I'll do my best!
Fascinating! thank you. Also - Lila by Robert M. Pirsig. That is a wonderful book.
Ha, yes, one of my favorite books, along with Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance of course. Glad you saw that in the background!
Great! More stories, please! 😺
Thanks, I'll do my best!
Thank you! ❤
You're welcome!
Fact, 1924 is a year written in stone, Did Mallory & Irvine summit Mount Everest. Artefacts from 1921 22 & 24 are all related to Mallory & Irvine's attempt to reach the summit of Mount Everest, every item are priceless artefacts. We too have all the data from that epic 1999 search finding Mallory & his personnel artefacts, and now the location of Sandy Irvine's partial remains. Without doubt Mount Everest is, Mallory & Irvine's Mountain.
Great content!! Thanks Jake.
Thanks!
I remember reading about an Everest Summit... don't remember the name of mountaineer at the moment who did the climb... to gather rocks for scientific analysis of summit rocks.
My question is that if the rock you have could be compared to those retrived for the analysis, and if they matched, would that help establish whether Malloy's came from summit?
I know this might be simplistic, and may have already been done so just a thought. 🤷♀️
Do you know what happened to the 2nd glove ? Also is it true the 1999 team took pieces of Mallory’s rope that was tied around him as a souvenir ?
Hi Ryan, I've answered about the glove in the past, but will do so again. I don't remember a second glove, only one. I think David Roberts, who wrote Conrad's book, was mistaken. A great climber and writer, David was not always thorough on all the details in his account of 1999. But, anything can be made into a conspiracy, right? As for your rope question, I don't know why I'm even bothering to answer, but no, that's not true. None of us were up there souvenir hunting, despite that being a fun narrative to tell. Hope this helps, and thanks.
@@jake_norton Thx for the reply Jake. I only ask because of the complete desecration Thom Pollard and Andy did to GM on the 2nd visit, the pictures Thom took and stripping Mallory of literally everything the man had. You do have a neat collection of years past though for sure. In your experience is their less high profile groups out searching the old routes and camps as well ?
@@jake_norton Who has the full video of when GM was found and the search of his body ? And is it true the team had to pry him out of the scree?
Where did the spanner come from? Is it an early Everest expedition spanner? Thanks.
The spanner I found in 2004 in the remains of the Chinese Camp VIIa on the First Step. I think it was primarily for their oxygen system, as it fits the regulator fittings from 1960 perfectly.
@@jake_norton thanks Jake for the reply. 👍🏼
Jake hi from Canmore, Alberta, not too far apart 15 hr drive. However we share the worlds best playground in our backyards. I really should do some climbing in CO, have enjoyed MT and WY though.
Think you are being far too hard on yourself re the "worlds worst UA-camr" comment. I appreciate that you post when you have quality content or comment not just for the sake of racking up UA-cam placement. This posting is a perfect example obviously I was aware there was film footage of the early Everest attempt taken by John Noel 1922. But knew nothing beyond the photo of him hunched behind that huge aluminum box on massive wood tripods. Photo from "Ghosts Of Everest" awesome book, (Hemmleb, Larry Johnson, Eric Simonson). Now I know the whole story amazingly ingenious for the time. All that from you taking the time to pick of a piece of detritus from poking out of the glacier. Then doing the deep dive so many years later for our benefit.
Thanks for showing us articles in your office, that split O2 cylinder looks interesting not seen that before?. O2 cylinders and different delivery systems really interest me US vs Russian vs Chinese for example. Do you have preference of O2 delivery set ?.
Personally I prefer quality content over quantity content this posting is quality.
Thanks for this take care.
The Mallory-Irvine mystery has fascinated me like no other. Does it all come down to the Chinese removing Irvine's body from the mountain to conceal evidence that would change Everest history ? I know that is just a theory. In your opinion Jake, is it safe to say that Sandy Irvine's body is no longer on the mountain ? Thanks Jake for doing all the leg work for us armchair mountaineers. And do you think there will be any major reveal about the 1924 expedition, considering it is the 100th anniversary of Mallory and Irvine's successful summit of Everest. Sure wish they could have made it back down. I know you have been asked these questions numerous times so for that I apologize.
If Irvine’s body had been removed from the mountain, why would those who spread that rumor have gone through the trouble of setting up an expensive expedition to try to find him in 2019? During which they filmed the critical location with a high altitude drone and never released the footage?
Thanks, @robertmartin8565 , and glad you've appreciated all I've shared out here. And, don't hesitate to ask more questions - I'll do my best to answer! On Irvine's body, I really don''t know what to believe. There's a lot of whispers, but I've yet to hear anything definitive aside from second or third party accounts. So, I don't know to be honest, but it does sadly feel like there's enough perhaps of those accounts to indicate a strong possibility Irvine was removed from the mountain. Very sad if true, and perhaps sadder if that removal lost or destroyed any evidence he might have had on him. On the one hand, I would be OK with the story remaining forever a mystery, but not ok with that outcome if it was due to the Chinese trying to cover up something.
As for any major reveal, I could certainly be wrong, but so far as I know there is no real new information out there, no discoveries that have been made. The only exception could in my mind be if the Chinese do indeed know something, and make the decision to come out with it this year. But, I'll likely not hold my breath for that!
I think that Mark did not know about the possible removal of the body until after his 2019 expedition; that info came to light as he was researching and writing the book, not beforehand. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.
@@jake_norton did not know about the timing of the reveal. It still seems hard to believe the Chinese would go through the trouble of getting rid of Irvine’s body. I would imagine it would have to be chiseled out of a mix or ice and rocks. Almost certainly this would mean desecrating the body. For what purpose? Preserve their original claim to the first North Ridge ascent (attempt)? If it’s true it’s a rather callous act and surely they would know History would not look upon them with great regard…
Hello from Evergreen CO! Do you have access to and can you share the drone footage that was taken during the 2019 Nat Geo expedition? Why was it never released?
Are you in Evergreen, too? Nice to meet another local! On the drone footage, no, I have no access to it and have never seen it. That was the National Geographic team, and I was leading the Discovery team, completely different expeditions. You'd have to take up the drone footage issue with Renan and the NG team. Sorry!
@@jake_norton ah, sorry about my confusion! Yes, I'm in Evergreen (Bergen Park). You should create a little museum with your collections, in Evergreen, would love to visit it! I'm currently reading After Everest (Howard Somervell), so I'm in the thick of the mystery :)
No worries at all! And, funny, my office is in Bergen as well - small world! And, glad you're reading After Everest; TH Somervell was quite the man! Drop on by sometime if you want to check out any of the old things I have batting around. You can send me a message off my website and I'll let you know where I am. Thanks!
@@jake_norton thank you so much! I might take you up on that offer :)
Were you guys really looking for summit rocks in Mallory’s pockets? From the documentaries back then it seems the only thing you were looking for was the camera
No, they didn't check his pants pockets unfortunately. Their big mistake was not taking an archaeologist or anthropologist along with them who would have known what they were actually doing. It was nothing more than a souvenir hunt for monetary gain.
No, we weren't looking for rocks. I know MT is pretty convinced that (a) we should have been, which may be true, and also (b) that it would be a slam dunk to have found them, distinguish them from any of the other rocks around, etc. I'm not sure on the latter, but the simple answer is no, we were not looking for them.
@davem8836 , interesting thought, and I'm glad to hear you know precisely what our motivations were in 1999. Yup, all about money, nothing else. That's why I now live in a mansion, drive a Ferrari, and own a Gulfstream. Man, our plan worked perfectly!
Snideness aside, you are 100% wrong. The trip was not a souvenir hunt, nor was it about monetary gain. I know that is a convenient conspiracy for people to peddle, and feel free to do so if you choose. But, kindly provide some proof as well. And, if you want to head up there to do a better job, grab your archeologists and have at it! Thanks, and be well.
@@jake_norton that makes sense, especially the bit about distinguishing them from surrounding rocks, unless he would have kept them in a bag or rigid container of some kind, which seems unlikely. A trained archeologist/geologist team though would be careful while excavating a site and would certainly notice rocks of different compositions. Now getting that pair up above 8000m, that's a different story!
Definitely! Getting the trained people up there, and then having the stamina, time, and weather to handle it like a full archeology site would be a challenge to say the least!
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Thanks, and welcome!