A forgotten Remnant of the Roman Empire?

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  • @Maiorianus_Sebastian
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  • @trazyianajones456
    @trazyianajones456 Рік тому +484

    Didn't expect that one welsh kingdom in vinland saga to be historically acurate

    • @12Gauge223
      @12Gauge223 Рік тому +48

      That was half the reason I clicked on this video.

    • @teiloturner2760
      @teiloturner2760 Рік тому +10

      Jones Welsh surname. fanboy

    • @WalesTheTrueBritons
      @WalesTheTrueBritons Рік тому +40

      Not Gwynedd though! That was Gwent and Glamorgan. Known as Morgannwg. Seen in Vinland Saga, you’ll notice Asser wasn’t wearing Roman garb, but those of Morgannwg were.

    • @trazyianajones456
      @trazyianajones456 Рік тому +24

      @@WalesTheTrueBritons i did some research on wikipedia after your comment. It's amazing how there were not one but several roman successor states in wales. Although morgannwg seems to have been less roman than gwynedd.

    • @Cami-wd4rw
      @Cami-wd4rw Рік тому +3

      Yeah i kinda expected this was what the video was going to be.

  • @precariousworlds3029
    @precariousworlds3029 Рік тому +709

    You should also do videos on the similar rump states of the Eastern Roman Empire, like the Principality of Theodoro and the Despotate of the Morea

    • @jamesabestos2800
      @jamesabestos2800 Рік тому +29

      Or Morea, which I consider the end or at one of the pivotal moments that the byzantine ende. The furthest date is 1479

    • @cromusician6153
      @cromusician6153 Рік тому +24

      ​@@jamesabestos2800 or despotate of Epirus as well

    • @flaviusstilicho397
      @flaviusstilicho397 Рік тому +23

      So as the empire of trebizond

    • @precariousworlds3029
      @precariousworlds3029 Рік тому +11

      @@jamesabestos2800 I've not been able to find many resources on Epirus. Apparently Vonitsa fell in 1479.

    • @saultd2343
      @saultd2343 Рік тому +15

      Or about the siege of Philadelphia (in western anatolia)

  • @davidmcgarry8910
    @davidmcgarry8910 Рік тому +550

    This might explain why in the late 12th century, Owain Gwynedd, declared himself Princeps Cambriae after defeating England's Henry II in battle. The title princeps was first used by Augustus, and subsequent Roman emperors also used that title.

    • @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506
      @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 Рік тому +64

      Thing is everybody in Europe used Latin titles. Almost all the documents were in latin. In that case the Roman Empire was very much alive.

    • @davidmcgarry8910
      @davidmcgarry8910 Рік тому +66

      @@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 True, but no one else of the "king" rank called themself "princeps". Henry II was enraged because Owen was claiming to be of a higher stus than the king of England.

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 Рік тому +26

      @@davidmcgarry8910 The other rank higher than King was Emperor. There was a Holy Roman Emperor of the German Nation as well as another Roman Emperor in Constantinople. No ruler of Wales could seriously be seen as on a level with either of them.

    • @davidmcgarry8910
      @davidmcgarry8910 Рік тому +34

      @@faithlesshound5621 Hence Henry II's rage at Owen's claim.

    • @user-kf3dg3ud5m
      @user-kf3dg3ud5m Рік тому +30

      As many modern historians believe, the Roman Empire did not disintegrate; it was culturally and politically transformed into modern Western countries. Such as USA, UK, France, Spain and Italy. Some even believe that the Carolingian Empire is the successor to the Western Roman Empire!

  • @loopernoodling
    @loopernoodling Рік тому +125

    Having gone on plenty of day trips to North Wales when I was a child, all I can say is that you would be looking at Rhyl for a very long time before you were reminded of the splendour that was Rome!

    • @jarosawwitaszek-wysocki7927
      @jarosawwitaszek-wysocki7927 Рік тому +1

      North Wales speak old Welsh btw... Is it really possible that they were Latin users any more than, let's say, Irish?

    • @jacobparry177
      @jacobparry177 Рік тому +19

      ​@Jarosław Witaszek-Wysocki The Latin language survived only in religious institutions. Though the Latin language did have a pretty strong influence on Old, and thus modern Welsh in the form of borrowed words. For example: padell, from patella, ffenestr - fenestra, allor - altāre, eglwys - ecclesia, ystafell - stabellum, braich - braccium. And so on.
      Kings, princes and diplomats also would've used Latin to communicate with the Anglo-Saxons in the early period as, obviously, English was hardly spoken in Wales in this period.

    • @garrywynne1218
      @garrywynne1218 Рік тому +4

      Yes Rhyl has an appeal “ all of its own” 🤷🏻🤣🤣🤣

    • @cymraegpunk1420
      @cymraegpunk1420 Рік тому +1

      ​@@jarosawwitaszek-wysocki7927 depends what you mean by that, like much of Europe we in Wales used Latin as the language of the church and laws for a long time after the empire fell.

  • @brightlights365
    @brightlights365 Рік тому +308

    This Roman dynamic was represented in the manga Vinland Saga, set during the Viking invasions of Britain. Interesting stuff!

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 Рік тому +55

      Although Britannia in general was very roman (even with the Anglo-Saxons, and even with the Normans in England) indeed that Wales History was a gem of that comics
      Lucius Artorius Castus..

    • @jonathanvillanueva9206
      @jonathanvillanueva9206 Рік тому +9

      Was just thinking about that lol

    • @hardlo7146
      @hardlo7146 Рік тому +7

      Oh man, I gotta see that then. I started that anime recently and as a lover of Welsh history I'm excited to see them in the anime.

    • @JelMain
      @JelMain Рік тому +6

      Enfield's history is pivotal in this understanding. The Essex marshes meant the main road from the Saxon Shore passed inland through Epping to Waltham, where it joined the Roman road north. It also seems to have continued westwards, from the line of ancient houses now being excavated, Elsinghe in particular. Another couple of miles and we have Camlet Moat, at the start of the Ridgway system. Camelot? Not the huge camp of Hollywood imagination, but a small manor. Forces in those days were small, an army a thousand men.

    • @arielfelts9111
      @arielfelts9111 Рік тому +2

      ​@@dusk6159 Lol. My kid is named Lucius so scrolling past your comment made me double take😂. He's named Lucius Aelius after Lucius Aelius Caeser

  • @jamesgrey1227
    @jamesgrey1227 Рік тому +134

    The story of Macsen Wledig (Magnus Maximus) is undergoing a resurgence in Cymru(Wales) via the Dafydd Iwan song, Yma o Hyd (still here). It's often sang at Cymru international football matches,. It mentions him and the year 383. Thanks for focusing on my country. You've made my day!

    • @hia5235
      @hia5235 Рік тому +4

      Really cool!

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @lymeregis4354
    @lymeregis4354 Рік тому +102

    The Roman way of life required a large trade network. The building materials found in archaeological sites, for example, had often travelled a long way before reaching their final destination. With the chaos leading to the demise of the western Roman empire many trade routes were disrupted and people returned to a simpler lifestyle. All that remained was memory, a claim to fame for local chieftains, who could trace their lineage back to Roman or romanised nobility.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 10 місяців тому

      they went back to living in dirt houses in the middle ages

  • @nunyabiznez6381
    @nunyabiznez6381 Рік тому +44

    I have been a genealogist since 1976. I have been studying my own genealogy that long and I traced my ancestry back in my male line to around 1500 A.D. in Wiltshire. So a couple of years ago I had my DNA tested by three different companies. It showed as expected that I am part English, part Scottish and part Irish with trace amounts of Danish, Norwegian and Spanish and all that lines up perfectly with my research over the years. But here is the surprising part. While I had run into a dead end with my male line at 1500 A.D. in Wiltshire, I was able to be tested to see what my male line haplogroup is. There was no indication in my documented research that I would find it to be anything other than English or Anglo Saxon though I would not have been shocked to discover it to be French via the Normans. But imagine my surprise to learn my haplogroup puts me smack dab in the middle of ancient Rome. According to the data supplied in my haplogroup report, my male line was in Britain starting somewhere between 200 AD and 400 AD and it was in Rome Sometime between 100 AD and 300 AD giving me a pretty good overlap indicating that I had a male line ancestor who left Rome and Came to Britain sometime between 200 AD and 300 AD. Moreover it shows that prior to this period the male line had been in or around the city of Rome starting somewhere between 700 BC until it left for Britain as above stated. An earlier dna test showed my haplogroup as only speculative suspected as having originated in Norway around 600 AD so I had previously believed the origin to be Norman preceded by Vikings. But the Roman result was a more recent and more definite report and actually makes pretty good sense. So my first American ancestor in that line who came to Massachusetts around 1630 was friends with and related by marriage to a large number of other people from Wiltshire and guess what? After contacting a number of their living descendants I discovered that 9 of those Wiltshire friends and family who also came to that town in Massachusetts all have their male line haplogroup report showing Roman origin for the male line dating variously between 100 AD and 300 AD as the approximate times of when they left Rome and arrived in Britain. This is from DNA analysis and this all matches up perfectly with historic records of the Roman occupation. Probably explains why I make a pasta sauce to die for.

    • @Azuris190
      @Azuris190 Рік тому

      I've started to research my genealogy latly, can i ask you, did you get your Information from Family Stuff, from the State or Church?
      And if the later ones, is it hard to ask for such Stuff :D?
      My Fathers Side is from Spain and i find many Documents online, but there are so many People with a similiar Name Scheming in the Region they came from, that it is hard to say who is who.
      I am also guessing, and i am very sure on it, that if i trace it back enough all of those have the same Ancestor... Why not give every Son the Name of its Father and Uncle.
      The most insane Thing i found was my Grandgrandfather from my Mothers Side, i found four Persons with his Name and the exact same Birth Date, but one born in the US, two in Germany and one in Russia.

    • @lloyd9500
      @lloyd9500 Рік тому +1

      Nice copypasta mate

    • @stevejones4061
      @stevejones4061 Рік тому +3

      I was born about 2 miles from the ancient Roman site of Viroconium Cornoviorum (Wroxeter) less than 15 miles from the modern border with Wales. Have an unusual Y-DNA for Britain (approx 1-2%) but perfectly OK for a Roman Auxiliary. Could I be a remnant from the Roman occupation, who knows?

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому +1

      @@stevejones4061 Wtf does 1-2% means? What is your haplogroup?

    • @stevejones4061
      @stevejones4061 Рік тому +1

      @@EasternRomeOrthodoxy J2-L26 shared with only 1 to 2 percent of the British population. J2 has been found in UK Roman digs.

  • @viatorinterra
    @viatorinterra Рік тому +29

    Reminds me of the Welsh Legatus from Vinland Saga. The author did clarify that they were Welsh emulating Roman institutions instead of a Roman remnant per se, but still interesting.

  • @InAeternumRomaMater
    @InAeternumRomaMater Рік тому +68

    Also just as Britannia, Dacia Traiana was also abandoned. But what some people don't know is that it was partial reconquered by the time of Constantine the Great in the IVth Century A.D

    • @andreipop5805
      @andreipop5805 Рік тому +1

      The theory of Sponsianus is also an interesting one.
      Based on some Roman coins found in Romania, it is believed by some that after the Aurelian retreat in 275, some unknown soldier by the name of Sponsianus might've taken the lead of the country for some time. However after about a century, urban life was also completely abandoned and the ancestors of the Romanians retreated in the mountains, living a tribal-like life as well (which is actually attested archeologically).
      Not everyone agrees on the Sponsianus being real but it does make an interesting scenario

  • @doxasticdraco9990
    @doxasticdraco9990 Рік тому +27

    As far as I'm aware, roman settlements in Cymru were mainly concentrated in the southeast (in the lands of the silures). The west and north were occupied by forts and roads, but left largely autonomous. The occupation of hillforts was banned in the southeast, but tolerated in the north and west, where the elites partially adopted imported roman technology and goods. There was heavy irish settlement of the southwest (Dyfed and Ceredigion) and the northwest (Gwynedd), which Magnus Maximus may have legitimated while stripping the garrisons of Britannia Prima (Cymru) and Britannia Secunda (now northern England) for his imperial bid. Cunedda is reputed to have overthrown the local irish rulers of what becomes Gwynedd when founding his dynasty at Aberffraw.
    One legend recalls Romano-British soldiers carrying the red dragon (Draco) to Rome under Constantine or Magnus Maximus. Welsh kings were citing Macsen Wledig (their name for Magnus Maximus) as the basis of their inherited political legitimacy in the early 5th century. Around the 7th century the draco became known as the Red Dragon of Cadwaladr, king of Gwynedd from 655 to 682. Although Owain Glyndwr raised the dragon standard in 1400 as a symbol of revolt against the English Crown, the dragon was later adopted by the House of Tudor.
    The green and white stripes of the current welsh flag were additions of Pembroke-born Henry VII, the first Tudor king, representing the colours of his standard. During Henry VIII’s reign, the red dragon on a green and white background became a favourite emblem on Royal Navy ships, along with the Tudor Rose. It was replaced as a naval flag by the original Union Jack in 1606, after the Scottish monarch James Stuart became king of England, but the Union Jack didn't become a national flag until the 1707 Acts Of Union.

    • @lloyd9500
      @lloyd9500 Рік тому +1

      Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! Gives me immense pride as a Welshman

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому +1

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @kesorangutan6170
    @kesorangutan6170 Рік тому +60

    ToldInStone actually gives another perspective which having Odoacer as the king of Italy meant nothing very different for the average roman citizen in Italy and to them, empire still existed. Not to mention how Odoacer was a "vassal" of eastern empire. Not to mention roman traditions and stuff continued after that.
    Morale of the story: history is a very fluid thing. You can't really say a big empire like Rome ended in a certain date.

    • @qboxer
      @qboxer Рік тому +4

      Toldinstone is a great channel.

    • @puma7171
      @puma7171 Рік тому +5

      A closer look at the Frankish kingdom might also be interesting, as Roman institutions and language seems to have been preserved to some extent. What I find interesting is that the frankish title Hausmeier was referred to as major-domo, some of them seem to be issued from the "older" aristocracy. One of them was Waldelenus a gallo-roman aristocrat, married to Aelia Flavia...

    • @timeup2549
      @timeup2549 Рік тому

      @@puma7171 They were not preserved, they were supersceded by the invading barbarians.

    • @boozecruiser
      @boozecruiser Рік тому

      ​@@timeup2549Absolute sensationalist bullshit with a hint of 19th century racialism. Not to mention the fact that in terms of technology, social structure, social geography, military organisation and wealth, the ""barbarians"" were pretty much on par with the Romans. In the late empire there were no clear divisions between Romans and barbarians, merely an individual writer's agenda and perspective

    • @paulsmith5752
      @paulsmith5752 Рік тому +3

      You could legitimately argue that Theodoric the Goth was one of the ablest and most successful Roman Emperors.

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion Рік тому +70

    If only Magister Syagrius and King Cadwallon I of Gwynedd collaborated with each other, at least the Roman institutions may still continued to be practice in Gwynedd and the unification of Wales and the expansion into England under the new Western Roman banner might become a reality.

    • @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506
      @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 Рік тому +10

      To be fair, the economic and agricultural base of England would always have been hard to match from Wales, No matter who sits there

    • @lerneanlion
      @lerneanlion Рік тому +1

      @@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 So does this mean the unification of Wales by Gwynedd and the expansion into England when it came under the Anglo-Saxon will be possible, right?

    • @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506
      @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 Рік тому +1

      @@lerneanlion I guess in some other Dimension hahah

    • @AallthewaytoZ2
      @AallthewaytoZ2 Рік тому

      @@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 The Normans managed this and held onto the country with an army of only 5-10k men in 1066. 1/3 of the army were Britons from Brittany. Up until the seventh century large chunks of occupied Britain were still British, i.e. several million people.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺Never mind...this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @DeanStephen
    @DeanStephen 4 місяці тому +3

    My great grandfather was from Wales, born in a town called Aberystwyth, quite a bit south of Gwynedd. The curious thing is, he was a Latin nut, spoke it, taught it to his children, and even gave my grandmother a Latin name that partially got passed on to my mother. My grandmother subsequently taught Latin in a Colorado HS for many years, and I remember her trying to teach me before she passed at a far too early age. My point her is to suggest that if a poor Protestant Welsh family in the 19th century was teaching their (over a dozen) children Latin, far more of the Roman culture in Wales may have survived over a wider area for far longer than you surmise.

  • @MegaTang1234
    @MegaTang1234 Рік тому +12

    I guess Magnus Maximus truly was "Great, The Greatest".

  • @napoleonfeanor
    @napoleonfeanor Рік тому +14

    Rome never fully fell. It changed over time, states were overthrown but memory, cultural traditions, Latin language, roman ideas of law etc. continued. Charlemagne was a huge Rome fan, like pretty much all Germanic conquerors (I mean those who actually stayed in the territory, not those who just looted) .

    • @timeup2549
      @timeup2549 Рік тому

      The barbarian Charlemagne had nothing to do with Rome. And only the uncultured savages in gowns pretending to be "scholars" claim that ridiculous transvestite to be Roman in any way.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺Of course there's a legacy which remains, just like their Macedonian relatives, Ottomans and the other empires - that's not the point. Point is that, Rome as a civilization and empire, is buried just like the Assyrians, Macedonians, Babylonians, Ottomans, Egyptians - all gone, by God's decree.
      Now, this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

    • @napoleonfeanor
      @napoleonfeanor Рік тому +1

      @@EasternRomeOrthodoxy What did you smoke?

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      @@napoleonfeanor You ignorant faceless bots talk the same🤦‍♂️😅 I am an expert on the origins of nations, so keep quiet, pagan, while I am educating you...

  • @Tohma_Ed
    @Tohma_Ed Рік тому +10

    I really love your videos no one really talks about the late Roman Empire so thank you and keep up the good work!

  • @fredhercmaricaubang1883
    @fredhercmaricaubang1883 Рік тому +17

    Ave, Frater Sebastianus! Since you brought up post-Roman Britain, would you say that the legend of King Arthur would've emanated from this period? If so, I would appreciate it if you could cover this particular topic. Gratias tibianus, mi amici et Frater!

  • @vitorpereira9515
    @vitorpereira9515 Рік тому +31

    I would consider venice a remnant of Rome. It was founded by Roman refugees including patricians, it goverment was a republic and was never invaded. My question, however, is what language did the inhabitants of Venice speak in the first centuries? Did they speak Latin or another language derived from Vulgar Latin?

    • @jamesabestos2800
      @jamesabestos2800 Рік тому +2

      Said it way founded 967, but I say your claim is partially valid.
      1). Historical - Having a Récord of being roman.
      2). Authtencity - Having récords that your either A). Somewhat related (Turkey and France have this type of claim for being part of the empire, but not really at it's core) B). Deeply In There (One of the first provinces Rome Conquered).

    • @jamesabestos2800
      @jamesabestos2800 Рік тому +4

      Was* and San Marino has a really Buono claim

    • @vitorpereira9515
      @vitorpereira9515 Рік тому +3

      @@jamesabestos2800 But San Marino broke away from the empire.

    • @ntonisa6636
      @ntonisa6636 Рік тому +4

      Well obviously a dialect of "Vulgar Latin" (proto-Venetian)

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 Рік тому +5

      ​​@@vitorpereira9515San Marino never broke away from the empire. The area was founded as a Roman town. After the Romans collapsed,San Marino became autonomous.

  • @John_Pace
    @John_Pace Рік тому +46

    We could say there is one tiny remnant left today in the Republic of San Marino. Which was reputed to have been founded by Saint Marinus in 301. There is also the Republic of Venice, founded by refugees seeking refuge from the Huns in the Venetian Lagoons, which lasted until Napoleon in 1899. So the story is complicated.....

    • @nathanportas2787
      @nathanportas2787 10 місяців тому +1

      Completely agreed

    • @Roman_Kowalsky
      @Roman_Kowalsky 8 місяців тому +2

      I must admit: the most logical comment about the remants of roman empire!
      Absolutely agree.

    • @cpegg5840
      @cpegg5840 3 місяці тому +3

      1799**

    • @ericvogelsong652
      @ericvogelsong652 Місяць тому

      Western Roman Empire fell in 476 AD. But remnants existed past its fall. The Roman Senate outlived the Western Empire for centuries in helping to run Italy in its first inception. Italy itself was a Western Roman Empire Remnant and via Justinian was renowned into the Eastern Roman Empire for decades.

  • @gwynedd4023
    @gwynedd4023 Рік тому +6

    the welsh look back on the pax romana fondley at leased they used to so they whould have lived in old roman settlements

  • @AmericanShia786
    @AmericanShia786 Рік тому +8

    Excellent video. I live for these kind of Romantic takes on history, even if they aren't really accurate. I think it has to do with Fantasy Role-playing I did in the 1970s and 1980s. One of the originators of Dungeons and Dragons, Dave Arneson, as well as Dr. Philip Barker, who created Empire of the Petal Throne, were both from the Minneapolis-Saint Paul Area. I met them both several times. Since I loved both history and science fiction growing up, these kinds of videos are very enjoyable for me. Thanks for the excellent videos.

    • @seronymus
      @seronymus Рік тому

      The more obscure the history, the better for me. Especially the convergence of imperial majesty (albeit in collapse) with mystery of the epoch and of course countless flowering saints as monasteries and anchorites blossomed across the West, sanctifying savage fields of chaos.

  • @markgeorge4539
    @markgeorge4539 Рік тому +5

    A video on Ambrosius Aurelianus would work really well with this video. Great work as always

  • @aleksandarvil5718
    @aleksandarvil5718 Рік тому +25

    Julius Nepos' Dalmatia
    ( *Roman emperor of the West from 24 June 474 to 28 August 475. After losing power in Italy, Nepos retreated to his home province of Dalmatia, from which he continued to claim the western imperial title, with recognition from the Eastern Roman Empire, until he was murdered. In 480, Nepos was murdered by two of his generals, Ovida and Viator, perhaps in Diocletian's Palace, possibly while planning an expedition of his own to recover Italy.*
    *Though Nepos' successor in Italy, Romulus Augustulus (r. 475-476), is traditionally deemed the last western Roman emperor, Nepos is regarded by some historians as the true last emperor of the west, being the last widely recognised claimant to the position. He was the last emperor to be crowned in the city until Charlemagne in the ninth century.* ) :
    *_“AM I A CHOPPED LIVER HERE ?!??”_*

    • @pillshere5840
      @pillshere5840 Рік тому +7

      As always when someone tries to fix something, they get murdeded.
      Oh Rome, the greatest enemy has always been within.

    • @timeup2549
      @timeup2549 Рік тому +2

      Charlemagne has nothing to do with Roman Empire. Even the unholy Ottoman Empire is more of a Roman Empire than the Franks.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому +1

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @thehturt5480
    @thehturt5480 Рік тому +5

    You are probably making a very good point here in presenting to fall of the Roman Empire not like a sudden and even - geographically - event ,but more like a crumbling one having different speed - also applied geographically.
    And yes You are very right in saying that was ,still is a fascinated event - at least for those who are into History ,so to speak.💯❤️

  • @gwynbennett-williams
    @gwynbennett-williams Рік тому +2

    Excellent write-up and video, Sebastian ! Thanks.
    You''re talking of my direct family line, which goes back through Magnus Maximus one side, Paternus further along.
    Incidentally, Redicus, a scribe at the Council of Nicaea (325AD, codification of the bible) was from Gwynedd.

  • @wandererg5117
    @wandererg5117 Рік тому +7

    Excellent material. The Post-Roman history of Britain, especially until the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons, is as obscure as it is fascinating, or perhaps it is fascinating because it is so obscure! Subscribed.

    • @WalesTheTrueBritons
      @WalesTheTrueBritons Рік тому

      No it isn’t, it’s one of the best recorded times in history, Atleast from the British point of View. Unfortunately the Germanics and classical nuts won’t read through them, and when they do, they straight up deny it all.

    • @IamKingCraig
      @IamKingCraig 3 місяці тому

      It’s been erased and our history didn’t begin with the romans. I’ve been born again since coming home to my beloved Cymru and have much to share

  • @pawelhuszcza9611
    @pawelhuszcza9611 Рік тому +54

    Could Aeternus be Arthur? Maybe king Arthur?
    Or maybe his descendant who took the same name?

    • @chickenusgoddus464
      @chickenusgoddus464 Рік тому +4

      That would be beautiful

    • @asdfasdf-dd9lk
      @asdfasdf-dd9lk Рік тому +28

      Funny you should mention, one of the leading theories for who Arthur is based off of is Ambrosius Aurelianus, a Romano-Briton general who fought the Anglo-Saxons in the late 5th century.

    • @Yora21
      @Yora21 Рік тому +5

      I vaguely remember the Arthur legend to have mentions of the Britons sending a plea to the Roman commander in Gaul to help them against the Anglo-Saxons arriving on the island, and that Arthur was the one to step up to the job when no Roman support came.
      That same Roman general was also the one who dealt with Attila, and who arranged the betrayal of the Burgundians, creating the legend of Niebelungen Saga.

    • @Kriegter
      @Kriegter Рік тому +1

      Yes that is a hypothesis

    • @noahtylerpritchett2682
      @noahtylerpritchett2682 Рік тому +2

      @@Yora21 there's stories of the Roman Empire in Gaul waging wars in Arthurian myths and Arthur in Gaul fighting for and against the Romans.
      Not far fetch. Soissons existed.
      Or perhaps it could be the Byzantines in southern Gaul.
      People said "king arthur is fiction because the stories mention Rome in Gaul after the empire collapse" forgetting about Byzantine and Soisson Syagrus presence

  • @astro4294
    @astro4294 Рік тому +18

    jesus christ! late antiquity is so terrifyingly complicated, i am shocked that world history is this complicated even we only know SOME parts of history of human specie..

    • @legiran9564
      @legiran9564 Рік тому +10

      When civilization is collapsing all around you and your daily life is reduced to a perpetual battle for survival, going around making detailed notes of what is happening around you and preserving it for posterity will be on top of very few if anybody's priority list.

    • @astro4294
      @astro4294 Рік тому +3

      @@legiran9564 yeah you are right, i agree.

    • @Litany_of_Fury
      @Litany_of_Fury Рік тому +1

      Don't call it the dark ages for no reason.

    • @legiran9564
      @legiran9564 Рік тому +1

      @@astro4294 Even if by chance there were chroniclers in those dark days, preserving written history would be another challenge because regions and kingdoms were incredibly unstable and short lived at the time. There were too many invasions, warring and sacking happening in a short span of time that plenty of valuable historic information got lost in the process.
      We don't have to look far. Look for example the destruction of western Soviet Union during Operation Barbarossa, the bombing of Monte Cassino Italy, the mass bombings of Germany and the fire bombings of Japan during WW2.
      Plenty of valuable historic documents and artworks are forever lost.

    • @jeanpierreviergever1417
      @jeanpierreviergever1417 Рік тому

      What makes it especially difficult is that we tend to interpret historical events or developments from today’s frames, like nation states. My take from this is that this is much more nuanced and the notion of a nation state wasn’t developed until the 19th century. Before that I guess there was a much more complicated and less clear government structure.

  • @bobbyshaftoe45
    @bobbyshaftoe45 Рік тому +17

    Great vid. High information density combined with strong narrative.
    Why isn't public school history done this way?

    • @LTPottenger
      @LTPottenger Рік тому

      It's only political indoctrination

    • @drengr811
      @drengr811 Рік тому

      Because those in power would rather show your children a drag queen show.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @michaelchen8643
    @michaelchen8643 Рік тому +3

    I have spoken to knowledgeable people from the UK especially people from Wales and they have a sense that they have a connection to the Latin language and to Rome and Roman customs so I’m not surprised

  • @patricklemire9278
    @patricklemire9278 Рік тому

    One of dangers of late night time scrolling is you find rabbit holes like this. Great stuff!

  • @drawer_resp3858
    @drawer_resp3858 Рік тому +2

    Surprisingly, I'm not surprised with Wales. One thing Vinland saga taught me, Wales was remnants of Rome.

  • @thomassaldana2465
    @thomassaldana2465 Рік тому +2

    Well done, a very interesting video on the Romano-Brightens.

    • @spudpud-T67
      @spudpud-T67 Рік тому +1

      Lost in accent. The Romans loved Brition beach.

  • @diviciacosceltil9008
    @diviciacosceltil9008 Рік тому +3

    Great video as usual.
    It would be great if you could do a video about the province of dacia which was technically the first to be abandoned by Rome.
    How come the latin was kept alive there and gave the Romanian language.
    Great content as usual.

  • @PiousMoltar
    @PiousMoltar Рік тому +4

    You keep saying that they kept the Roman language, but it's worth noting that most probably, the common tongue of the people was always Brittonic / Welsh. I suppose Latin may have been used by the ruling class, and of course by the church.

    • @user-pc2dz3bd3u
      @user-pc2dz3bd3u Рік тому

      Modern Welsh is full of Latin, from the days of the week to common roman items like Windows!

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @MitchellEnglishTeacher
    @MitchellEnglishTeacher Рік тому +3

    There once was a dream, a dream called Gwynedd…

  • @richardconyard200
    @richardconyard200 Рік тому +13

    As someone who can trace his routes in Gwynedd back at least a few hundred years (and then longer because of the property), interesting, I knew about Magnus, but not of the use of latin. From which historical record was this taken? The use of latin after the roman soldiers pulled out isn't widely commented upon, but when it is it's usually south Wales that is mentioned whereby in the 700's the quality of latin used in grave markings etc. in Wales is often found to exceed that of Rome.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @haditawbe9617
    @haditawbe9617 Рік тому

    Excellent video as usual, keep it up!

  • @constantius4654
    @constantius4654 9 місяців тому

    Very good history which is explained very well. Thank you.

  • @photon4076
    @photon4076 Рік тому +3

    I would consider the Italian cities throughout the Middle Ages, perhaps longer, successors of the Roman Empire. Italy never became feudalized to the degree the other territories of the western half of the Empire did. The cities remained self-administrating republics, Latin slowly developed into Italien, social structures didn't change much as far as I know.

  • @fredrikkirderf2907
    @fredrikkirderf2907 Рік тому +3

    it is interesting actually because the Tudur family which would give England the Tudor dynasty were nobles from gwynedd and Henry VIII considered himself and emperor despite bearin the title king (Ecclesiastical Appeals Act 1532) so you could consider him a Roman Emperor (I think he would fit in). Also since every king and queen since has been descent from the Tudur family (apart from Philip and possibly Willian III who were kings through their wives) you could consider Britain its self a successor state itself. Which would mean that India despite never being part of Either the Roman or Mongol empires was conquered by a successor to both of them.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Рік тому

    Thanks for another terrific video! ⚔🔥🙌

  • @mdlahey3874
    @mdlahey3874 10 місяців тому

    An especially fascinating video... Thank you! 🙋🏻‍♂️

  • @John_Pace
    @John_Pace Рік тому +3

    You could say the Roman Empire exists today as the Pope took the title of Pontus Maximus with his ring...

  • @mvhtnb
    @mvhtnb Рік тому +2

    The name Gwynedd does not seem too far off from an exonym form of Cunedda to a layman.

  • @captaincodpiece3263
    @captaincodpiece3263 Рік тому

    Fascinating and informative, I’ve read of references to military missions into Britain after the accepted date of Roman military withdrawal, I believe the Anglo Saxon Chronicle has a vague allusion to one. One interesting aspect I’d like the channel to explore if the settlement of Sarmatians in Britain by the Romans

  • @antoniotorcoli702
    @antoniotorcoli702 Рік тому

    Impressive video. According to at least two sources and archeological data , comes Arbogast the younger could have retained the control of Treveri for few years after the fall of Syagrius.

  • @ntonisa6636
    @ntonisa6636 Рік тому

    Fascinating stuff!

  • @joeuoe1998
    @joeuoe1998 Рік тому +1

    Similar to the South of Belgium in Wales an unit of about 500 Sarmatian riders incl. families and support teams was left over from the Roman government. They have not been so very sucessful like in Belgium (later Merowings / Franks), but still made a good progress in setting up a long standing culture togther, leading / ruling the local people.

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

    I legit thought this was a Cumbrian Chonacles video.

  • @user-kf3dg3ud5m
    @user-kf3dg3ud5m Рік тому +4

    It will be very interesting if a video about the battle on the Catalaunian fields is made on this channel. After all, Flavius Aetius defeated Attila in it, many historians such as Mary Beard and Ian Hughes (the latter even wrote a book called "Aetius Attila's Retribution") think so. According to all historians, the Romans defeated the Huns, and such facts indicate their success as:
    1) The failed siege of the city of Orleans by the Huns.
    2) Attila's losses in the battle were greater, because of which he retreated from Gaul with the remnants of his army, thanks to which Aetius got booty from the battlefield. It was she who became the symbol of his victory over Attila.
    3) Merovei, a faithful vassal of the Romans, became the king of the Franks, and not his older brother, who was a vassal of the Huns!

  • @puma7171
    @puma7171 Рік тому +3

    A closer look at the Frankish kingdom might also be interesting, as Roman institutions and language seems to have been preserved to some extent. What I find interesting is that the frankish title Hausmeier was referred to as major-domo, some of them seem to be issued from the "older" aristocracy. One of them was Waldelenus a gallo-roman aristocrat, married to Aelia Flavia...

  • @dafyddthomas6897
    @dafyddthomas6897 Рік тому +6

    This presentation is so excellent that I forgive the atrocious pronunciation.
    Venedotia and Gwynedd are etymologically the same word. Kenneth Jackson has set forth the sound shifts between Latin and Welsh.
    Northwalia is just medieval English North Wales with a Latinesque IA tacked on the end

    • @seanglaze7284
      @seanglaze7284 Рік тому

      Agreed. Fascinating video but after the 5th mispronunciation of Gwynedd it started to gall a tad

  • @barrygregory8177
    @barrygregory8177 Рік тому +4

    I wonder if you might do a video on another remnant - Dumnonia in South-West England. This resisted barbarian (Saxon) rule until well into the ninth century - even spreading into Brittany. There may even have been a king in Cornwall called Alef in the 11th century.

    • @seronymus
      @seronymus Рік тому

      Ironically it's claimed the legendary Saxon rebel Hereward the Wake (a possible influence for Robin Hood) took refuge under King Alef !
      Edit: also consider the maybe humorous fact the current Prince William, as Duke of Cornwall, may be the direct main claimant to the Kings of Dumnonia.

  • @raduraducu2668
    @raduraducu2668 11 днів тому

    11:10 It was like that before the viking raids that turned the kingdom to that state to the situation mention at 11:45.

  • @SantaFe19484
    @SantaFe19484 Рік тому

    Fascinating video!

  • @carlosfilho3402
    @carlosfilho3402 Рік тому

    Awesome Video,Thanks For You.

  • @deancoopey1256
    @deancoopey1256 Рік тому +1

    The reason for looking to northern wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 is that it is of one of 2 major gold producing areas with plenty of ports to export from…

  • @peterlamont1533
    @peterlamont1533 Рік тому

    Thank you for this detailed account. I did not know so much was known and must follow up your references sometime. The period around 450 seems to have included many attempts at immigration.
    You may be interested in some discoveries I have made, that imply that the western coastal areas and islands of Scotland were depopulated by around 410. This has been written up in a short paper called "Messages from the past: Iron Age signalling in Argyll" in which the evidence is presented. Good video - thanks again.

  • @DrMARDOC
    @DrMARDOC 11 місяців тому +1

    This is a wonderful question! The Golden Age of China was the TANG DYNASTY. What was the language spoken then? Did it survive? Where did it go?
    Subsequent dynasties had their own variants pronunciations of the Ancient Ideogram Characters. Each dynasty claimed to be the “ real” Middle Kingdom (Zhong Gua) under heaven. Ming, Mongols, Manchus, and the Republic of China Nationalists which evacuated to Taiwan after the well-financed Communist onslaughts.
    Upon arrival in Taiwan Mainland Chinese Scholars found that the language spoken by the locals was HO-LO-HUAY. An ancient Southern Min Fujian “ Dialect”. That was once the Court Language of the Glorious Tang Dynasty!

  • @shaneemanuelle6243
    @shaneemanuelle6243 Рік тому

    Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @philread386
    @philread386 Рік тому +1

    It has been said that Padarn was sent to Wales by Vortigern to counter Irish incursions in North Wales. They were referred to by some as Strathclyde Welsh.

  • @wheresmyeyebrow1608
    @wheresmyeyebrow1608 Рік тому +9

    This video was absolutely fascinating thank you for making it!
    There is always that problem of ‘how does succession really work?’. Is it based simply on what a people ‘feel’ they descend from? (Like the Victorian myth that all Brits descend from Anglo-Saxons after they wiped out the locals) or is it based on some semblance of prior tradition/knowledge passed down?

    • @Ed-wm8dx
      @Ed-wm8dx Рік тому +1

      The main question is what defines the continuation of a roman state. I can see why its appealing for welsh people, as it legitimises there heritage as the romans, are a symbol of power, and they pre date the anglo saxons and Norman's. Very interesting video.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @SeanHH1986
    @SeanHH1986 Рік тому +1

    awesome video!

  • @AallthewaytoZ2
    @AallthewaytoZ2 Рік тому

    If I remember correctly, there is some archaeology that suggests people were living in Roman houses in Gwent (Venta) for quite some time after the withdrawal of Roman troops.
    Gerald Cambrenesis wrote of ruined houses where the internal heating systems were still visible in the 12th/13th century.

  • @ikaritsu5501
    @ikaritsu5501 10 місяців тому

    Another great video, where do you get you map from man?

  • @loganicfilms1388
    @loganicfilms1388 Рік тому

    finally, a video about this,
    I didn't look at all but still.

  • @Kuudere-Kun
    @Kuudere-Kun Рік тому +2

    I would also argue for rethinking how we think about Justinian's reconquest of certain Western Roman territories. We typically think of it as the Eastern Empire expanding westward, but I would argue it can be thought of as a War of Liberation restoring the Western Empire.
    The administration distinction between East and West became permanent with Diocletian reforms, even though a handful of 4th Centuries would rule both it was really more like two Empires under the Personal Union of a single Emperor. The Senate continued to meet till at least 602 AD, meanwhile the Popes and other Bishoprics of the Western Church were basically the surviving Clerical Infostructure of the Western Empire's State Religion. And the Latin Language never went out of use.
    No in time the Empire would lose much of that again to the Lombards and Arabs. However there were Medevial Italian states that did simply begin as the Imperial administrations simply becoming independent and naturally evolving as the Emperors in Constantinople Just gave up on militarily enforcing their control of Ital same as they did Briton in the early 5th Century.
    So I would say that Venice, San Marino, the Papal States, the Duchy of Naples and Sardinia were each Western Roman Rump States that changed with the time to become Modern Italy.

  • @lukec1146
    @lukec1146 Рік тому

    Fascinating. I want to read more on this.

  • @jedinathan
    @jedinathan Рік тому +18

    What about San Marino a nation that exists to this day, broke away from the Roman Empire in the 300s and continued the values of the Ancient Roman Republic and still does to this day with its own consulships, Republic and a fascinating history avoiding conquest and avoiding major wars thru shrewd diplomacy. I'd consider them a Roman successor state.

    • @paulmayson3129
      @paulmayson3129 Рік тому

      San Marino is just a leftover Frankish fief, and after that was part of the Papal States,that was a vassal and part of the Frankish Empire and Italian Frankish Kingdom.

    • @EasternRomeOrthodoxy
      @EasternRomeOrthodoxy Рік тому

      🤺☦🇷🇺It's meaningless. And this is the historical meaning of those barbarian kingdoms👉
      Of the ten Kingdoms represented by the ten horns of the fourth Beast:
      Now by the wars above described the Western Empire of the Romans, about the time that Rome was besieged and taken by the Goths, became broken into the following ten kingdoms.
      1. kingdom of the Vandals
      2. kingdom of Suevians
      3. kingdom of Visigoths
      4. kingdom of Alamanni
      5. kingdom of Burgundians
      6. kingdom of Rugii
      7. kingdom of Soissons
      8. kingdom of Ravenna
      9. kingdom of Ostrogoths
      10. kingdom of Franks
      *The little horn*
      11. The British empire of the Anglo-Saxons and Brittons,
      which gave birth to
      The United States of America, and was under the religious leadership of Martin Luther and his Protestant reformation (the eyes of a man with a big mouth, upon the little horn)
      The 10th horn was the Franks, who defeated the previous 3 kingdoms - the 7rh, 8th and 9th horns
      Upon those 3 horns grew a little horn - meaning, an outside kingdom came and defeated the last 3 barbarian kingdoms.
      That kingdom was the British empire and it's Protestant Anglo-Saxon colony: The U.S.A., which would become the world's superpower, and would have a big mouth that speaks high and would change laws and religion, just as Daniel's prophecy predicted, and came through
      All of those barbarian kingdoms, which grew under the fall of Rome, which is Dodanim, an offshoot of the 3rd beast in Daniel's vision - the Greeks (Javan), were the Germanic/Scandinavian race: Magog, which is from the land Gog, their birth place, starting with the tribe of the Goths

  • @benjones4365
    @benjones4365 3 місяці тому

    I love that.
    I have always said, that Edward the 1st was a barbarian.

  • @Epifairos
    @Epifairos Рік тому +1

    Maybe a month ago, I though about this very subject. What was the last? Were there any Roman holdouts after the final fall? And how did they look like? And what was the final fall actually? I suspected the Nepos' Dalmatia. Thank you for answering this question and sating my curiosity.

  • @voiceofreason6336
    @voiceofreason6336 Рік тому

    Thanks for the video very interesting

  • @apowen
    @apowen Рік тому +1

    Good video. Diolch. I do think that the common folk of Cymru would have been living in round houses during the Roman occupation. Of course some would have migrated to the towns, but basically little changed for most people when the Romans left. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

  • @bumblebeeeoptimus
    @bumblebeeeoptimus 4 місяці тому

    It's funny because in Vinland Saga, Askellad always wore a Roman Lorica Musculata to battle even tho he was a nord and you would think this is completely historically inaccurate since the story takes place in the 11th century, but later on he reveals himself as half welsh and a descendant of the romans, so it starts making a bit more sense, and after watching this video it makes just all the more sense.. indeed the creator of the manga did his research before writing it..

  • @omarali262
    @omarali262 Рік тому

    This explains Askeladd in Vinland Saga so much more

  • @ritchiekolvers997
    @ritchiekolvers997 Рік тому +2

    Archaeological evidence is kind of left out, but if we look at sites as Tintagle Castle and the wider area around Cornwall, we see many (east)-Mediterranean imports in the fifth century, such as Late Roman Amphora 1 and African Red Slipwares. These were likely shipped from Spain northwards, passing along Brittany in France. In the east of England we see some gold solidi and tremmesis circulating in (mostly) the sixth century, reflecting a similar situation in continental Frisia where coin weights and possibly scales are also found. This then ties in with Procopius secret history where he complains about Emperor Justinian sending large sums of money to barbarians, some of which in Britain. Possibly these coins either came over the Rhine or through trade with Scandinavia. Apparently the mutual interest between the (east) Roman Empire and the West had not died.

  • @sifridbassoon
    @sifridbassoon Рік тому

    Maioriane, vestra videos amo!

  • @John_Pace
    @John_Pace Рік тому +2

    Also after the Fall of Constantinople in 1454, the Ottoman Sultans took the tile "Great Caesar" (among numerous others like "Possessor of Men's Necks" to emphasis he could dish out capital punishment without giving any justification). And the last Ottoman Sultan only went into exile in 1924. And then we have the Russian Tzar....

    • @precariousworlds3029
      @precariousworlds3029 Рік тому +1

      The last dynasty of Roman emperors, the Palailogos, gave away their titles to the Kingdom of Spain in the late 1400s. Felipe VI, King of Spain, is the closest we have to a Roman emperor. Hail Augustus!

    • @MarcoBonechi
      @MarcoBonechi Рік тому

      Russian Zar is a Khan. Russians lie and fake everything always embarrassed of their true identity and capability. They somehow don't embrace their Mongol heritage.

  • @animalfreak462
    @animalfreak462 4 дні тому +1

    Wales today is a celtic nation. When the romans left Britain, the population was mostly celtic, so thats why they went back to their own ways as celts. Sure some of them did had some roman admixture in them, and possibly some brythonic rulers or elites might had some roman ancestry (which is interesting), also, some romans did stayed, but even with that, the remaining romans winded up intermixing with the local native celts in britain, including modern Wales. But otherwise, most of the population in sub roman Britain were either Romano-british or brythonic (british celtic). The modern ethnic Welsh are descended from the Brythonic Celts of Britain. Also, Welsh is a brythonic celtic language.

  • @matthewmatt5285
    @matthewmatt5285 5 місяців тому

    Could you imagine this being your voice your entire life?~

    • @Vexarax
      @Vexarax 3 місяці тому

      His voice is great!

  • @JelMain
    @JelMain Рік тому +2

    Your map of the Cymric kingdoms at the time is wrong. Cumbria, the west coast of England running to the Wall, was in the Welsh possession pretty much until the Norman Conquest.

  • @economicist2011
    @economicist2011 Рік тому

    1:38 Took the better part of a decade and a half, but YT has finally recommended a video on the fall of the Roman Empire that doesn't read Latin 'c' as /s/ in the name "Odoacer"

  • @kubatism6658
    @kubatism6658 4 місяці тому

    Interesting connection is that the name Wales comes from germanic "wahl " which referred to roman and gallic speakers alike

  • @hapa7791
    @hapa7791 Рік тому +1

    I think you might be interested in the origin of Wessex. They were originally called Gewisse, their first few Kings all had Britannic names and they were already earls who conquered west Saxon people later. There’re also many Saxons who came to Britain as mercenaries for Rome centuries before Anglo-Saxon invasion happened. But the locals called everyone Saxons. Anyway, after Gewisse lost their homeland to Mercia, they moved their capital to Wessex and adopted Anglo-Saxon names. Still, they could very well originated as a foederati for Rome and their descendants last until this very day.

  • @j4stice746
    @j4stice746 Рік тому +1

    Magnus Maximus is known here in Wales as Macsen Wledig, Maximus the good, literally though Wledig would mean a ruler, someone who ruled. He is featured in a song pretty much everyone Welsh knows-"Yma O hyd". The name Macsen is still used today, as is the name Tegid. I have met various Tegids and Macsens and they all seem as steeped in Welsh culture as the name suggests. Gwynedd dont forget, is home to Anglesey as it is currently known in English which was the spiritual home of the Druids and the island to which they retreated to. A very sacred place indeed. The Romans knew this very well. In fact it was the Romans who gave it the name Mona, the name we use in Welsh- Ynys Mon. It was the sacred heart of Welsh conciousness and if you were to mount a campaign to rule a land, its sacred heart would be the place to start. There is an absolute TON of stuff left over from our Roman visitors if you know where to look, for instance Dolaucothi gold mines was founded by them as they chased the Druids north .From the Romans to the Ring of Iron most attempts at subduing the Welsh began in the north as a smart leader or king would recognise the meaning the place has to its people.
    On another note and hugely off topic I suppose, here is my two pence on all the hoopla surrounding placenames in Wales reverting back to their original versions. Whilst I appreciate the difficulty in pronunciation we do not laugh at anyone for giving it a go, we love it and love to help anyone who wants to know how to say stuff. We are immensely proud of our little country, and there is a lot to be proud of. Personally I am all for it- reverting the names to the original ones. They have history attached to them that is hundreds of years old. This includes towns, landmarks, individual houses and mountains. There is real history here, and it is not just Welsh history, it is part of the oldest histories of the United Kingdom. For me though there is one name that absolutely should be changed forever, and never used again. Wales. We are not foreigners as the word suggests and the name was not chosen by Welsh people. We are Cymru- meaning the people of this land, and after all these years, all the fighting and arguing and attempts at wiping out one of the oldest languages in Europe we have endured enough. We dont want the entirety of England, we dont want to make you feel unwelcome by speaking our own language, we just want our little corner to retain its culture, language and placenames as these are the essence of our very souls and are a vital link in the history of the entire United Kingdom. Education is where it should start and end for everyone. It is here for you all and pretty much free. Cofiwch, pawb, cofiwch.

  • @glishev
    @glishev 10 місяців тому

    As Tegid was a bishop, his son's scarlet robe might be one of a priest or bishop as well, and not necessarily one of a military leader. That, or a bishop back that could be a military leader, too.

  • @craftycriminalistwithms.z3053

    Truly interesting

  • @garyworthington840
    @garyworthington840 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @paulcapaccio9905
    @paulcapaccio9905 Рік тому

    Fantastic thoughts

  • @Mmu12059
    @Mmu12059 Рік тому

    @11:34 My thoughts exactly bro

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 3 місяці тому

    The Irish settled in Wales from the late 4th century mate. Ogham stones have their inscriptions

  • @Baamthe25th
    @Baamthe25th Рік тому

    I half learned of this reading Vinland Saga

  • @arctic_haze
    @arctic_haze Рік тому +10

    I would guess that the Welsh returning to their pre-Roman ways and even language suggests that the mountains were never Romanized and the modern Welsh are largely descendants of those tribes. You do not forget to use the pottery wheel. Things like that suggest almost complete exchange of population in the coastal areas.
    PS. It is similar to how the Basque language survived and probably also Albanian (it may come from an ancient highland Thracian dialect according to some scholars).

    • @teiloturner2760
      @teiloturner2760 Рік тому +7

      The last Welsh prince of Wales in his letter to the archbishop of Canterbury from the 1270s if you look he even speaks of his 'ancestor brutus'

    • @martinhughes2549
      @martinhughes2549 Рік тому +8

      There ia a huge amount of Latin derived vocabulary in welsh. Often its obvious, ie. Ffenest, Pont, otherwise its hard to tell, such as Tywysog = Tyrannus ( tyrant= ruler).
      There are lots of them. The language of Cymraeg is heavily influenced by Latin.

    • @jach99
      @jach99 Рік тому +5

      ​​@@martinhughes2549 Albanian is even more so, having a huge Latin vocabulary, spanning from Roman time to Common Romanian before the Slavic Migrations and continuing with more recent Italian loanwords, yet both Welsh and Albanian people are not in any way Roman but rather pre-Roman people that managed to survive Roman conquest.
      It's interesting tho that Welsh people are called well, Welsh, as that's a term usually used for Romance people, mostly as an exonym - Walloons in Belgium(not an exonym tho), Olah for Romanians and Olasz for Italians by Hugarians, Vlasky for Italians and Valasky for Romanians by Czechs, and many more other examples, mostly for Romanians and Italians. They all come from Common Germanic walhaz, meaning originally foreigner but shifting to mean Roman or Romance speaker.

    • @diegoidepersia
      @diegoidepersia Рік тому +1

      Albanian very well could come from the brygian language of lake ohrid, but with influences from nearby paeonian, macedonian greek and illyrian languages

    • @arctic_haze
      @arctic_haze Рік тому

      @@jach99 Well, for the Abglo-Saxons the inhabitants of Britain were Romans.

  • @karenturcola4524
    @karenturcola4524 10 місяців тому

    Very interesting.

  • @ryan0the0robb
    @ryan0the0robb Рік тому

    Fascinating

  • @Inucroft
    @Inucroft Рік тому

    Good video bar one issue, dd in Welsh/Bythonic is a "th" sound while Ll/Llan is a ph/phlan sound.

  • @emfoes
    @emfoes Місяць тому

    12:48: The Technoviking :)