Every video you see comments about Michael and it's very telling - and more than his inviting and personable demeanor I think he brought a humbleness to the UA-cam watch space that is lacking. The contrast between east coast prep and Japanese denim lover worked so well because the interactions looked authentic and gave you insight into two people whose difference in price sensitivity and taste were very apparent
He can’t win, when it’s just him people say bring someone on; when he brings someone on they say why is that guy there, why isn’t Michael on, etc. He might as well just do what he likes and hope for the best from what is a very fickle corner of the internet.
I may not be a fan of Rolex, but to each their own. Used to be a fan of GS but they have heavily diluted their catalog. Really diminished the meaning of limited edition.
"Watches nobody can buy" at the AD is basically every top watch brand out there from RM, PP, AP, to FPJ. Try grey market. Also, nobody cares about a Seiko and their ugly oversized sports watches.
We watch Theo & Harris videos so we can play a drinking game. Anytime Christian says “right” at the end of a thought or a statement, we drink. I’ve got to tell you - we are pretty blasted now. He said it A LOT in this video, right?
Absolutely. He's 180 degrees wrong about this, this is by far the most exciting dress watch Rolex has ever made. The past 15 or so years they've been trying to break into the high-end dress watch market with the Cellini and then the previous 1908, and it's just been swing-and-a-miss after swing-and-a-miss. This is a homerun.
The yellow gold Daytona does exist but supposedly its off-catalogue. Even more rare than the white gold. Ben Clymer talked about it during a watches and wonders podcast wrapup
You gotta give credit to Rolex for actually releasing watches that people can and will buy. Nobody is going to buy that Piaget Altiplano, that Bulgari Octo Finissimo Ultimate, those 200 pieces limited Cartiers, you can't. And don't tell me "you can't buy Rolex", you can buy any Rolex, except for maybe a Panda Daytona and a Pepsi, even without a crazy history.
I’ve been in to watches for about 7 years now. Every year Rolex releases a disappointing collection & every year they still have the most popular catalog.
First of all, there are much more interesting watches out there than rolex.. secondly, rolex do their own thing. They don't need to revolutionise their ways. They carry on make a few changes, and once in a while make a big change... that's all. And people still love it...
wait! is it a good idea to play so much golf wearing a watch that the text of the watch fades? I mean those forces are not too good for the watch except for Richard Mille.
I really enjoy the videos, but… yeah, I’ll add my 2 cents. The content has become sterile and clinical. Don’t get me wrong, nobody has better historical perspective, personal introspection nor storytelling prowess than Christian. However, I greatly miss the laughter and entertainment value of the witty and comical banter Michael (and even Sam) brought to the table.
I dunno, it seems odd to be so enamored with the Longines Master Collection, but so vehemently against the Rolex 1908. Vintagey throwbacks are vintagey throwbacks; let's be consistent in our metering of love and hate. 😂
Do you think all of these people losing their minds over Rolex’s releases can actually buy them? I’ve never paid attention to Rolex just because I’ve never even seen them for sale.
Pepsi and all GMTs will likely see production volumes decrease relatively. Since BLNR & VTNR, they're all GMTs that are built on the same production line... as soon as you add another Bezel colour - those production numbers are likely to reduce proportionally. 20,000 Pepsi's then become 10,000 Pepsi & 10,000 Batman... add Sprite and that becomes closer to 6700 per variant. now with the addition of the Black/Grey... you're at 5k watches of each variant being produced.... for Rolex, they're still producing the same volumes of watches - it's just the split of the permutations. All said, Pepsi are harder to acquire I suspect because they are the most favoured and therefore have a longer waiting list. Supply/ Demand.
very true. Although Rolex is also meant to be upping production quantities overall by 2025 with 3 additional facilities. That doesn't mean a Pepsi GMT is necessarily produced in higher quantity if there are other challenges, but other models have lower wait times.
Most watch enthusiasts don’t care about the precious metal Rolex releases because they are too unobtainable to the normal folk, so not exciting at all to me. But I know Rolex doesn’t care. Rolex today is selling a high-end luxury lifestyle and are no longer the tool watch company they used to be, even as recently as the last 10-20 years. I think they are continuing to cement the role of Tudor as the every man’s affordable Rolex. Hot take: I think Rolex will lose market share to Tudor. The new monochrome BB41 is basically a Sub… why would a normal person pay more than twice for the same watch unless they just want the branding. Same goes for the new BB58 GMT, in Coke style no less. I’m just disappointed that there aren’t any watches that are relatively affordable from Rolex anymore that Tudor doesn’t have an equivalent for, for half the cost or more. Rolex has lost its allure for me these days.
Summed it up perfectly for me. The brand is on a downward trajectory from a collectors perspective(from a financial and social perspective they’re doing really great actually) I grew up thinking of Rolex to be the “normal “guys dream. Work a shit ton and then one day be able to gift yourself that crown but as I see it now even the hardest working normal individuals can’t get a Rolex for list price which is so sad.(I’m 21 years old so I’m not talking of the 90’s when I say I grew up knowing Rolex like this🤣)
😮 wearing your automatic watch playing golf? Blasphemy, it'll ruin the movement! Anyway, I'm building myself a Seiko mod GMT master II homage, with the grey and black bezel insert, 'cause it's stunning. But with blue writing, and a blue GMT hand, 'cause, I want it to be different from the original.
This years releases were about what I expected. I think Rolex is heading down the road of more precious metal watches and in the coming years we will see less new options in steel and more in gold metals
C, you are articulate, and engaging and I enjoy your perspective on everything in the watch world…. But just like Zeppelin vs Jimmy Page solo….. Zep>>>>>Page. You have the tough predicament of having an amazing team with you and Michael which was greater than the both of you, and everyone clamoring for you to make more music even though it might be more adverse to what you both want to do. Hope you might consider finding a new common ground with Michael… your chemistry together is effffn gold dude, and I think you both know it. You want more YT exposure, viewers, revenue, etc then you and Michael need to have a reconciliation, or whatever. I love watching you both, folllow both your YTs, and you both were better together than apart. Synergy is a real thing, Be grateful for finding that spark and make the most of it for you, him, and everyone who loves you both on YT. Written with nothing but love and respect for you all. 🍻
Who says 'hand' guillochage? Website clearly denotes the rice-grain motif on the dial is created via guillochage, or engine turning - a technique that uses a turning tool to sculpt a geometric pattern into a surface
Cartier dual time prive and rewind were nice. IWC’s display was nice with the moon and the water. Lange lumen was amazing but not meant for us peasants way out of most of our price ranges. Tudor monochrome was ok for people that are into that. Jlc with the food and movements were nice. Zenith and grand seiko both did decent. Rolex was a flop and I’m a semi Rolex fan boy, definitely not normally a Rolex hater.forgetting some things but as far as practical wearable watches I thought Cartier really stood out … The 1908 isn’t bad tbh the dial is nice with the engraving. But I would probably take a JLC master moonphase before it design wise and cheaper. Or a Vacheron or Patek dress watch if we talking 30k price tags.
Every standard watch enthusiast and potential/actual rolex buyer - "only good standard release was the GMT Master 2, even though it isn't the Coke the masses wanted" Christian - *Wallowing in pure precious metal heaven"
Hmm don't think I'd agree with you there... you might want to take that up with Rolex who state on their website "The rice-grain motif on the dial is created via guillochage, or engine turning - a technique that uses a turning tool to sculpt a geometric pattern into a surface"
@@samuelthomas2567As I understand, engine turining, is setting the needle on the dial and HAND-turning the machine to create the pattern: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6ZoG2ocZJp8&ved=2ahUKEwi6waHP2MyFAxXnhf0HHUvPCdcQwqsBegQIDxAE&usg=AOvVaw0pb_967M1VBurqFzRwyeLb
I also like his other friend too, I don't know why he got so much flak. But remaining on topic, yeah idk about rolex. I think it all boils down to the fact that no matter how hard i try, even if i can afford it. I can't have one, so if I can't buy one it makes it hard for me to care about them. The 1908 is cool I guess in that blue but it's not really special enough. I mean I can just buy vintage that in my opinion is prettier anyways and most importantly, I can actually buy them.
When Rolex 2024 new product they just copy the dial pattern by CITIZEN NK5010-51L Automatic 60 hour power reserve what a great show Rolex makes me laugh.
I really enjoy your content. Rolex failed to impress but, they don't care. I don't think they will lose market share. It is my favorite brand but, I don't expect them to do anything I want. Rolex, like countries, does what they believe are in their own best interest. They shareholders to please. That is a powerful position.
Does nobody else find it odd that he wears the watches he’s selling to you? I mean yea they’re used but just seems like skimming off the top like a drug dealer high on their own drugs
Christian, from London, T4YC. I have been predicting the "move up" from Rolex for some time. As a manufacturer their range is limited, and they need to get into PP territory. And I have been speculating what they will make, when their new factory opens, and production increases to 2 million pa. I suggest they're going to make many more of the new black / grey GMTs than you expect. They can probably produce huge numbers in the next year or two, without anyone noticing, and while there's all this hysteria about Pepsi and Coke, people will buy, as it's a very non-objectionable watch, and let's face facts, in the watch world, non objectionable sells in large numbers, even though everyone comments "that's a bit boring"! Plus the cancellation of the Le Mans makes the market think that short run cancellations are possible. Basically they are playing with the whole consumer side of the Rolex market. And doing it very well. But as consumers we need to think, is it in our best interests?
Agree... but let him be the non-watch guy. He can have a lay person opinion on any subject.... I often felt he got overlooked when Christian/ Michael were on... Sam maybe feeling a little out of his element against these two (with respect) watch nerds. Let Sam just be that guy who has a superficial opinion on stuff until he develops - often nerds just look at things too deep!
Rolex will realy impress customer if they will sell us there watch,not only for the vip customer or big family just like in france where rolex only sell wa.tch to big family who buy 200000€ each year...
i still love the content after all these years, but nothing compares to video's together with Michael
What happened to Michael?
I like Michael, but I prefer the old videos with Rolly. Rolly is just straight up cool.
@@puppajoe1048 that should be preserved for our favorite liqueur run!
Where’s Michael?? The Theo to your Harris.
@@triniboy05he got tired of always attempting to get a sentence in
Every video you see comments about Michael and it's very telling - and more than his inviting and personable demeanor I think he brought a humbleness to the UA-cam watch space that is lacking. The contrast between east coast prep and Japanese denim lover worked so well because the interactions looked authentic and gave you insight into two people whose difference in price sensitivity and taste were very apparent
UA-cam has just become one long infomercial.
It pays creators in ad dollars…🤷♂️ what do you expect?
@@ScottDreyfusshhh don’t bring reason and reality into this discussion! 😂
Please consider going back to having multiple people in these videos; its more fun to watch.
You mean him talk and others attempt to get a sentence in lol
Michael and Sam on cam without Christian 😉
@@reesebroekhoven3962 he loves asking other people questions… but only to prompt them to say exactly what he wants them to say
He can’t win, when it’s just him people say bring someone on; when he brings someone on they say why is that guy there, why isn’t Michael on, etc. He might as well just do what he likes and hope for the best from what is a very fickle corner of the internet.
"I knew I had to have it... so I could sell it immediately. I love this watch."
29K presents a lot of value. LMAO. What a strange place we are in. He said that with a straight face.
like it the dude does his research and gets after it. no co-host but life goes on. he does a very good job.
Thank you very much!!!
Great video, I enjoy the channel. Out of curiosity, why is Micheal no longer on the channel? They had a good rapport back and forth
Where's Harris
Who cares about watches nobody can buy. Grand Seiko killed it at W&W with cooler watches that you can actually buy.
Unfortunately, it appears everyone does care. But the market is the market, for good or bad. We all have our loves. And that's why it's a great hobby.
Everyone cares, no to say that GS and others aren’t cool but you have it all very backwards
I may not be a fan of Rolex, but to each their own. Used to be a fan of GS but they have heavily diluted their catalog. Really diminished the meaning of limited edition.
"Watches nobody can buy" at the AD is basically every top watch brand out there from RM, PP, AP, to FPJ. Try grey market. Also, nobody cares about a Seiko and their ugly oversized sports watches.
👏
How many times can Theo say the word “right”?
Am I right?😂
We watch Theo & Harris videos so we can play a drinking game. Anytime Christian says “right” at the end of a thought or a statement, we drink. I’ve got to tell you - we are pretty blasted now. He said it A LOT in this video, right?
Without Theo, Harris is nothing.
What happened to the his cohost?
Grow up
@@eire711probably got tired of always attempting to get a sentence in
1908 in platinum is stunning. I'd take it over calatrava.
Any day. We're talking about a 31k PLATINUM Rolex, that's amazing. BUT, Rolex's customers are not dresswatch buyers and that's the problem.
Absolutely. He's 180 degrees wrong about this, this is by far the most exciting dress watch Rolex has ever made. The past 15 or so years they've been trying to break into the high-end dress watch market with the Cellini and then the previous 1908, and it's just been swing-and-a-miss after swing-and-a-miss. This is a homerun.
Fantastic video. Ignore the haters we love the channel
One of the greatest watch channels in UA-cam. Thanks Ford the great content as always.
Agree. Agree. And agree. Too much focus on Rolex in the past 5 years - they do not deserve it.
isn't there photos of the gold Le Mans?? 3:05
The yellow gold Daytona does exist but supposedly its off-catalogue. Even more rare than the white gold. Ben Clymer talked about it during a watches and wonders podcast wrapup
You gotta give credit to Rolex for actually releasing watches that people can and will buy. Nobody is going to buy that Piaget Altiplano, that Bulgari Octo Finissimo Ultimate, those 200 pieces limited Cartiers, you can't. And don't tell me "you can't buy Rolex", you can buy any Rolex, except for maybe a Panda Daytona and a Pepsi, even without a crazy history.
I’ve been in to watches for about 7 years now. Every year Rolex releases a disappointing collection & every year they still have the most popular catalog.
Because so many people are so easily conned by believing their con
Because Rolex is pure hype
It's just the yearly waitlists being stacked over the years, that's why
Christian is back in the single groove. Keeping crushing it, but being Rollie back.
I am calling Rolex from now on: Borat
Id love a 1908.....
Liking just for the Borat reference. Jagshemash!
First of all, there are much more interesting watches out there than rolex.. secondly, rolex do their own thing. They don't need to revolutionise their ways. They carry on make a few changes, and once in a while make a big change... that's all. And people still love it...
The grey market dealers look like clowns claiming the Pepsi was going to be discontinued
Curious on your thoughts about the Nivada Lapis F77 that just released today.
talk about the Patek Eclipse......
wait! is it a good idea to play so much golf wearing a watch that the text of the watch fades? I mean those forces are not too good for the watch except for Richard Mille.
I really enjoy the videos, but… yeah, I’ll add my 2 cents. The content has become sterile and clinical. Don’t get me wrong, nobody has better historical perspective, personal introspection nor storytelling prowess than Christian. However, I greatly miss the laughter and entertainment value of the witty and comical banter Michael (and even Sam) brought to the table.
I dunno, it seems odd to be so enamored with the Longines Master Collection, but so vehemently against the Rolex 1908. Vintagey throwbacks are vintagey throwbacks; let's be consistent in our metering of love and hate. 😂
Rolex is like Apple under Steve Jobs. They make products that THEY want to make and then it’s our job to buy and like them.
Do you think all of these people losing their minds over Rolex’s releases can actually buy them? I’ve never paid attention to Rolex just because I’ve never even seen them for sale.
but there are! not in ADs though...🤣
The yellow gold Le Mans should have had black sub dials
That 1908 is the Rolex I really like.
Explorer 2. Always hard to sell piece😅
Christian for the love of God stop with the rhetorical "right?" at the end of each sentence
I think it would be worth it if somebody bothered to see the video again and count how many times he says the word “right”
Wow, Rolex really dropped the ball this time 🤔💔
Pepsi and all GMTs will likely see production volumes decrease relatively. Since BLNR & VTNR, they're all GMTs that are built on the same production line... as soon as you add another Bezel colour - those production numbers are likely to reduce proportionally. 20,000 Pepsi's then become 10,000 Pepsi & 10,000 Batman... add Sprite and that becomes closer to 6700 per variant. now with the addition of the Black/Grey... you're at 5k watches of each variant being produced.... for Rolex, they're still producing the same volumes of watches - it's just the split of the permutations. All said, Pepsi are harder to acquire I suspect because they are the most favoured and therefore have a longer waiting list. Supply/ Demand.
very true. Although Rolex is also meant to be upping production quantities overall by 2025 with 3 additional facilities. That doesn't mean a Pepsi GMT is necessarily produced in higher quantity if there are other challenges, but other models have lower wait times.
Most watch enthusiasts don’t care about the precious metal Rolex releases because they are too unobtainable to the normal folk, so not exciting at all to me. But I know Rolex doesn’t care. Rolex today is selling a high-end luxury lifestyle and are no longer the tool watch company they used to be, even as recently as the last 10-20 years. I think they are continuing to cement the role of Tudor as the every man’s affordable Rolex. Hot take: I think Rolex will lose market share to Tudor. The new monochrome BB41 is basically a Sub… why would a normal person pay more than twice for the same watch unless they just want the branding. Same goes for the new BB58 GMT, in Coke style no less. I’m just disappointed that there aren’t any watches that are relatively affordable from Rolex anymore that Tudor doesn’t have an equivalent for, for half the cost or more. Rolex has lost its allure for me these days.
Summed it up perfectly for me. The brand is on a downward trajectory from a collectors perspective(from a financial and social perspective they’re doing really great actually) I grew up thinking of Rolex to be the “normal “guys dream. Work a shit ton and then one day be able to gift yourself that crown but as I see it now even the hardest working normal individuals can’t get a Rolex for list price which is so sad.(I’m 21 years old so I’m not talking of the 90’s when I say I grew up knowing Rolex like this🤣)
polo needs an iron
😆 nah, just worn haphazardly...
The Crown doesn’t give a shit to impress!!! And that’s pretty impressive 🤣
How long did Sam last? 4 videos?
Rolex really didn’t need to release anything
😮 wearing your automatic watch playing golf? Blasphemy, it'll ruin the movement!
Anyway, I'm building myself a Seiko mod GMT master II homage, with the grey and black bezel insert, 'cause it's stunning.
But with blue writing, and a blue GMT hand, 'cause, I want it to be different from the original.
It's not hand guilloche, it's a machine...
This years releases were about what I expected. I think Rolex is heading down the road of more precious metal watches and in the coming years we will see less new options in steel and more in gold metals
C, you are articulate, and engaging and I enjoy your perspective on everything in the watch world…. But just like Zeppelin vs Jimmy Page solo….. Zep>>>>>Page. You have the tough predicament of having an amazing team with you and Michael which was greater than the both of you, and everyone clamoring for you to make more music even though it might be more adverse to what you both want to do.
Hope you might consider finding a new common ground with Michael… your chemistry together is effffn gold dude, and I think you both know it. You want more YT exposure, viewers, revenue, etc then you and Michael need to have a reconciliation, or whatever. I love watching you both, folllow both your YTs, and you both were better together than apart. Synergy is a real thing, Be grateful for finding that spark and make the most of it for you, him, and everyone who loves you both on YT. Written with nothing but love and respect for you all. 🍻
Hand Guilloche dial 😂😂😂 not a bit hand craft skill involved CNC tech 😢
Who says 'hand' guillochage? Website clearly denotes the rice-grain motif on the dial is created via guillochage, or engine turning - a technique that uses a turning tool to sculpt a geometric pattern into a surface
@@samuelthomas25678:23 hand guilloche the machine technique not used here rice grain the pattern on the dial manufactured by CNC 😊
@@andrewmckay-ox7ys I get that... but who claims it was done by hand. Not Rolex.
Cartier dual time prive and rewind were nice. IWC’s display was nice with the moon and the water. Lange lumen was amazing but not meant for us peasants way out of most of our price ranges. Tudor monochrome was ok for people that are into that. Jlc with the food and movements were nice. Zenith and grand seiko both did decent. Rolex was a flop and I’m a semi Rolex fan boy, definitely not normally a Rolex hater.forgetting some things but as far as practical wearable watches I thought Cartier really stood out …
The 1908 isn’t bad tbh the dial is nice with the engraving.
But I would probably take a JLC master moonphase before it design wise and cheaper. Or a Vacheron or Patek dress watch if we talking 30k price tags.
Always interesting to watch Rolex (pun intended….i think) from afar. I love their history but certainly far too expensive sadly.
We want the other guy back !!
Definitely prefer Cellini 50509... or most other dress watches. The 1908 is sooooo dull
Every standard watch enthusiast and potential/actual rolex buyer - "only good standard release was the GMT Master 2, even though it isn't the Coke the masses wanted"
Christian - *Wallowing in pure precious metal heaven"
They did - Cartier crushed it IMO
Gotta agree here. Tudor killed it.
So what happened to Harris?
The 1908 dial isn't hand guilloched its stamped.
Hmm don't think I'd agree with you there... you might want to take that up with Rolex who state on their website "The rice-grain motif on the dial is created via guillochage, or engine turning - a technique that uses a turning tool to sculpt a geometric pattern into a surface"
Not hand-guilloched, but definitely not stamped. Uses traditional guilloche process powered by a motor rather than cranked by hand
@@samuelthomas2567As I understand, engine turining, is setting the needle on the dial and HAND-turning the machine to create the pattern: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6ZoG2ocZJp8&ved=2ahUKEwi6waHP2MyFAxXnhf0HHUvPCdcQwqsBegQIDxAE&usg=AOvVaw0pb_967M1VBurqFzRwyeLb
I also like his other friend too, I don't know why he got so much flak. But remaining on topic, yeah idk about rolex. I think it all boils down to the fact that no matter how hard i try, even if i can afford it. I can't have one, so if I can't buy one it makes it hard for me to care about them. The 1908 is cool I guess in that blue but it's not really special enough. I mean I can just buy vintage that in my opinion is prettier anyways and most importantly, I can actually buy them.
I don't know what y'all expect from Rolex. They change a bezel colour or precious metal offering. It's a snooze fest every year.
Rolex's success is limited to their brilliant mid century collection. Every time they try to scape it something ugly is invented.
When Rolex 2024 new product they just copy the dial pattern by CITIZEN NK5010-51L Automatic 60 hour power reserve what a great show Rolex makes me laugh.
I like that polo!
Plat 1908 best watch in the catalogue
Right right right …
Is Michael just gone?
I really enjoy your content. Rolex failed to impress but, they don't care. I don't think they will lose market share. It is my favorite brand but, I don't expect them to do anything I want. Rolex, like countries, does what they believe are in their own best interest. They shareholders to please. That is a powerful position.
We have this rolex explorer II for sale at theo and Harris so im just gonna wear the fk out of it till it sells
Does nobody else find it odd that he wears the watches he’s selling to you? I mean yea they’re used but just seems like skimming off the top like a drug dealer high on their own drugs
Christian, from London, T4YC. I have been predicting the "move up" from Rolex for some time. As a manufacturer their range is limited, and they need to get into PP territory. And I have been speculating what they will make, when their new factory opens, and production increases to 2 million pa. I suggest they're going to make many more of the new black / grey GMTs than you expect. They can probably produce huge numbers in the next year or two, without anyone noticing, and while there's all this hysteria about Pepsi and Coke, people will buy, as it's a very non-objectionable watch, and let's face facts, in the watch world, non objectionable sells in large numbers, even though everyone comments "that's a bit boring"! Plus the cancellation of the Le Mans makes the market think that short run cancellations are possible. Basically they are playing with the whole consumer side of the Rolex market. And doing it very well. But as consumers we need to think, is it in our best interests?
I miss Michael and Sam
Great perspectives...thanks!
The yellow gold Le Mans is very very real..
Who cares.
Bring back Sam!
Agree... but let him be the non-watch guy. He can have a lay person opinion on any subject.... I often felt he got overlooked when Christian/ Michael were on... Sam maybe feeling a little out of his element against these two (with respect) watch nerds. Let Sam just be that guy who has a superficial opinion on stuff until he develops - often nerds just look at things too deep!
I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!
Rolex will realy impress customer if they will sell us there watch,not only for the vip customer or big family just like in france where rolex only sell wa.tch to big family who buy 200000€ each year...
The Crown doesn’t give a shit to impress!!! And that’s pretty impressive 🤣
They impress, they don’t care to be trendy is what you’re looking for.
I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!