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How can you call yourself a Silent Hill fan and still make one of the dumbest arguments in Silent Hill fandom? I'm referring to the " Pyramid Head only makes sense in SH2 " argument. Obviously someone is forgetting SH3. In that game it is pointed out that not everyone who goes to Silent Hill gets monsters based on their sins or trauma. The town itself chooses what monsters you may face. That's why one of the overlooked creatures from SH2 was a return and more prominent creature in SH3. So you're argument is invalid.
Wonderful video! As noted by the previous reply, the audio cuts out around 47:19, right as you're about to explain what happens in the conclusion of Silent Hill Shattered Memories, made the follow up discussion a little disjointed, especially since I was listening more than watching.
This is how I discovered Rhythm Heaven Fever and Ghost Squad, such addicting games. I played this game on PCSX2 with HD texture pack though because I couldn't play it on my Wii at the time.
RIP SBFP. I’ll always remember them. It isn’t that great when their content separately, as themselves, wasn’t as good or memorable than when they were as a group.
And Maria/Mary sound like they have a vibrator left on full power 24/7, the original actress was great at switching between sweet sickly Mary to tempting Maria while still keeping the same voice just changing the tone. The new voice acting? May as well just be the exact same person which misses the point
That's a nostalgia blinded opinion, obviously. I've been listening to the new voice acting and the only ones whom I have problems with were Maria (sorta) and Eddie. Baker had truly great moments here and there. Like, the way he read his lines to Maria at the prison were of a genuinely scared and confused person. His particular "No...I'd never..." line at the Angela's "boss" scene also sent chills down my spine. While, I'd say, in the original va James's "That's why I did it, honey!" line killed the moment for me with how fake it sounded. Also Angela sounded like a drunk middle-aged woman and I disliked it as well. Even though I had no problems with the original va, I can see the negatives. Why people decide to be less objective, I have no idea. The "new" voice acting isn't bad, like at all. It's just not the same.
@@smart.but.stupid Nostalgia blinded, hm? Ok. We'll look at it objectively: "That's why I did it honey!" "how fake it sounded" ...Because it was fake. You removed it from its context. He is literally supposed to sound fake in that moment. He didn't know if he believed himself, he is putting up a persona(James is supposed to be all about struggling with persona and fantasy) and then says something different a moment later. The full quote is: "That's why I did it honey! I just couldn't watch you suffer... No, that's not true.... *voice becomes shakey*... the truth is... I hated you. I wanted you out of the way. I wanted my life back". A statement which is also not entirely true, but there is truth in. If you think it sounded fake, that means that the actor did his job and an attempt to correct that is an error of judgement. Do you remember the scene at all? "No I'd never" Baker actually messes up this line by changing its tone. James is meant to be defensive to a prickly degree. OG James says it with the sense that he's offended Angela said that. Remember that this is suppose to be the same James that reacts with anger everytime someone suggests he is wrong or did something wrong. He snaps at Laura for contradicting his timeline and he insists "I'M NOT LIKE YOU" when Angela suggests they are similar. As if, how dare she suggest he have some buried issue he refuses to address. Troy says it generically(if decently) sad because he lacks direction. Why is he downbeat suddenly in this scene? Doesn't he have a persona to aggressively preserve for himself? Angela does sound like a drunk woman. In fact, the cinematography of the game WANTS you to notice how weird she speaks. Notice how when she says "LoOSsT??", we get a close up on her face. That's the director showing us that her manner of speech and cadence are wrong and alien. We see, fully rendered in CG how far and unnaturally she contorted her face to say that and the cinematography tells us that this is significant. That's why the scene is actually more awkward when the monotone new voice says lost more calmly while Angela's facial expressions and body language remain exaggerated. It doesn't fit anymore and it starts coming off like a Godzilla dub. "Maria(sorta)". Maria(absolutely). She delivers the worst performance in Silent Hill history. Not only is she monotone and Illfit pitchwise, sounding way too old for James, she lacks all of the range the original actress had. New Mary/Maria no longer distinguishes her performance between the two personalities. She barely distinguishes between moods. She also suffers from what a lot of bad performances trying to sound professional suffer from: inappropriate breathiness. At times where she needs to be dramatic, she is so unable to emote that she relies on exaggerated breaths between lines. She uses this to mess up the most emotional line in the game: "James, you made me happy", killing the emotional climax of the ending. OG Mary/Maria gave the best performance whereas the new one gave the worst. She's not just some character who's lines can be messed up like that and still expect the story to work as well. Her performance is the one that is supposed to ground the story to a human level. I'm suppose to feel things when she says stuff. Shouldn't I feel angry when Maria emotionally manipulates me or shouts at me? Should I feel an uncanny disturbance when Maria uses Mary's memorys in the cell(she's REAL bad in this scene)? Should I feel the full weight of the tragedy when Maria reads the letter? With the new voice, that is all a no. When you actually look at it objectively, the new voices are miles worse. That's not to say the old ones are perfect, but the new ones are a hatchet job that don't fit the game or mood. The old voices are worth improving upon, but the examples you gave were just not problems and in fact, you removed them from the contexts that justified why they were the way they were. Meaning, you were criticizing the wrong stuff through the wrong lense. All of this is ignoring the horrible reverb and awful mixing unique to HD collection. From the lesser performances to the awful mixing, it may be one of the more embarrassing "professional" voice jobs of its caliber. I cannot believe they got a good actor like Troy Baker and then gave him no direction and had him come out with one of his worse performances. Such weird casting too. "We need Troy Baker to put on a deep, breathy voice to play... the infamously meek James Sunderland". Like, what? A real issue old voices had was that they could sometimes slur their words("you said your wife was dead, vrriight?") or lack intensity(James). The issue is that HD voices not only lacked intensity, they lacked range the originals had, making the originals still preferable. Nostalgia is completely aside. The new voices are outright inferior in possibly every way. Just because something is old and flawed, that doesn't make the new thing inherently better at all. They have to actually try. They thought they could just hire professional voice actors and sleepwalk the whole thing the whole thing and get something better. Whoops. There's still hope for the remake, though. Voices in that sounded fine in the trailer thus far, if different in its own way.
@@eddie142 even though it had to sound fake, it doesn't mean it had to sound like from a cheap soap-opera or smth. In the new dub it also did sound "fake" in that sense, as in James reassuring Mary (and himself) he did this in an altruistic attempt, but it doesn't at least make me cringe. And what about the next part? "The truth is...I hated you!" sounds just as bad in the OG dub, you don't really feel anything in his voice besides that they actor is desperately Trying to sound convincing.
Thank you so much for using the Matt and Pat clip, and referencing them. They still mean so much to me, and every time I see someone use that clip, it makes me so happy. This was a fantastic video!
love seeing their fans in the wild. they were such a huge part of my life sometimes i forget some people don’t see a game and think of them like we do lol
The reason shattered memories was able to have so much variable scenarios is because of the magic of the wii. Essentially last gen games were able to be published as triple A games. Dev costs were probably clearly lower to be able to create all of these scenarios. Something possible with old school games but impossible with modern triple A development where a hair particle takes as much compute power as a whole character in old tech. Remember when ff7 had optional characters with their own set of animations and side story? You think a modern ff game would waste time render and programming a 2 whole characters with the possibility that a lot of players will never even see them?
"We still have the original." No we don't. For almost any of them. They're hard to come by. I saw a ps2 copy of SH3 for sale for $200 at my local comic con a few weeks ago.
Yeah but the PC versions are really easy to get working well, can even make them wide screen. The first one you can very easily emulate. So yeah we kinda do still have them.
You definitely missed out by emulating Shattered Memories, I understand WHY you did because Silent Hill games cost the soul of your firstborn son on ebay, but I'm really glad I got lucky and was able to get a copy before I would have had to sell a testicle to afford it. Because the use of the speaker on the Wiimote is genius, it's used for your phone as well as for some of the more unsettling sound effects like ghostly voices or the screams of the monsters in the chase sequences. It intentionally utilizes the dogshit quality of the remote's speaker to enhance the creep factor. Now THAT’S an understanding of console hardware. Shattered Memories is my personal REAL Silent Hill 4, I fucking love it. Also it's weird revisiting Shattered Memories and hearing Kirk Thornton voicing Harry, after literal years of only hearing him as the voice of Shadow in Sonic BOOM and Sonic Forces. Makes me imagine an interpretation where Shadow's heroic story arc in Sonic Adventure 2 is revealed to be Maria's dying vision, when in reality he's a shortsighted edgy dick like how the modern Sonic stories portray him.
Shattered Memories is a masterpiece, and I mean that wholeheartedly. I played the game 3 times at different points in my life... As a kid, as a teenager and recently as an adult... And I cannot compare it to any other game, but instead, I compare it to The Little Prince, perhaps my favorite book. Every playthrough my answers changed. I discovered things I haven't seen before either because the playthrough was different or because the game is simply so densely packed with things, but even more, there were things that were subtle and mature... I played and saw those things in my playthrough as a kid, but I wouldn't understand what they added to the story until I played it again a couple of years ago. I know I'll have to give the game another go years from now and have yet another entirely new experience. The game changed a bit every time I played it, but what really makes it a masterpiece for me is how changed I was every time I played the game... The game really played with me as much as I played with it, the devs achieved what they set out to do.
Murphy getting arrested for a lame crime is actually a really important detail, which you’re dismissing. Him going to prison was literally so he could get to Napier. He picked a crime that wouldn’t hurt other people, because he wants to believe he’s still a good person, but had to make sure it was something that would get him locked up in prison, as opposed to a short jail sentence. He also needed to make sure he’d be locked up long enough to pull the strings to get in the same prison and cell block as Napier. Frank Coleridge even remarks that Murphy is not like the murderers and rapists he’s in with, and is super surprised that he’s in that prison. I get not liking the execution, but dismissing a conscious and well thought-out choice for the sake of an awkward bit seems disingenuous. Not that Downpour is a great game, far from it. But this plot line was the most interesting part of the game for a lot of people, and probably one of the best non-team Silent plots to come out of the franchise. Anyway, great video otherwise! Love your stuff as always!
Yeah. Honestly, I can't wait for the Silent Hill 2 Remake to come out, and I hope they won't mess it up. Just for fun, I made a video to share my thoughts on what the remake should have to be great: ua-cam.com/video/LtGmuJ4r04I/v-deo.html
The song is allright, Davis is a great singer, but it has no place on a Silent Hill game soundtrack. That's just like putting a Marilyn Manson song in Alien movie. It just doesn't fit.
I have absolutely zero expectations for the future of this franchise tbh. Even the remake looks way off and the only reason people are cheering right now is because it's been more than a decade since we saw a new Silent Hill game so they will take anything at this point. Wait till the novelty wears off.
I loved Downpour.. and most all of the western developed games were just fucked up by WAYYY TOO MUCH oversight by *KONAMI* and not leaving anything up to the developers. I 100% blame Konami for these games failures. So that said, I'm seriously scared for the 2 remake.. dammit 🥲
You know what would've been cool if Rockstar developed a Silent Hill game. They already had experience making horror games like Manhunt 1 and 2. They even referenced Jacob's Ladder through an in-game website in GTA V. Man imagine how amazing a Silent Hill game would look on the current iteration of the RAGE engine.
One of the most frustrating things about Shattered Memories for me is that a lot of its good ideas don't really work together. Like, a game where you can't fight and have to run was a cool idea; and a game where the monsters' appearance changes based on your choices is a cool idea. But if you put them together, the effort put into changing the monsters' appearance is completely wasted, because you never really get a good look at them. You're always running and there's not much incentive to stop and look at them. I say this as someone who played this game at least twice when it came out, but only found out that the monster design even changes quite recently.
If we are being specific all the silent hill games were meant for the western audience except that SH 1 through 4 had a Japanese studio and after SH 4 that's when a western studio took over and screwed up the franchise there isn't even any Japanese dubbed versions of the silent hill games either.
Pendleton was looking for a way out . I wonder if he found what he was looking for . James thought he would find Mary I believe he might have been looking for closure or forgiveness for killing his wife Mary . I look forward to other videos about this series and there is an S 2 reboot in the works .
Resident evil 4 was my first ever video game when moved to the US, the only thing I understood was what the ganados were yelling at me, since then, I have played every re game, and I have always been interested in silent hill, being the competitor, but I never understood why Konami never just released the older games, I can still buy code Veronica on ps5, why don’t they do that, or the recently released mgs master collection
Bruh shattered memories was so bad that the video had to mute itself 💀 I consider all these games like alternative realities to the mainline silent hill games
28:00 my favorite part about the whole God of War Ragnarok 'hint system' is that it was only included due to DarkSydePhil, since during a GDC the developers showed an example of a player that struggled with a puzzle in the 2018 God of War which was a clip of DSP
Guessing this is actually a team effort with one "face" like most YT channels these days. Nothing wrong with that but it's kinda become kayfabe to pretend one dude randomly makes shit that happens to be good.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the secret ending for Silent Hill downpour it doesn’t change much but really shows at the very least the love the developers had for the series over Konami
@@FourEyesFive well considering it was a secret ending that was absolutely unnecessary to be made i can't really see how it would be ill intended, to me it was a pretty cute gesture
I'm not sure the devs can even be blamed for downpour. Konami was ordering them making changes they didn't want and that's got to suck. Can't say what it would be if they would have gotten to make what they wanted.
@@Hiihtopipa my hope is that Konami is a different company, now, than 10 years ago. By the end of the Silent Hill run, last time around, Konami seemed to be more interested in mobile gaming and pachinko than anything else. However, I think Capcom and Square-Enix's revival as well as the rise of FromSoft may have some people with Konami aware of just how much power they are wielding in their IP's. It would also explain the sudden release of Suikoden 1 and 2 in remaster which kind of came out of nowhere. I also wouldn't be surprised if Castlevania's success as a show may have triggered some stirring at the company, too. It's all only speculation, for now, but I am optimistically skeptic after RE's Revival. That series was only in marginally better state before RE7 and RE2 Remake. Operation Raccoon City and Umbrella Corps were not that long ago.
To this day, I still remember fondly Shattered Memories. It was truly shocking playing it as a kid on a PSP, but the story, atmosphere and main mechanic are worth the experience. Thanks for making this analysis. It's important to give proper criticism and praise when it's due.
I absolutely loved Shattered Memories, so it pleases me to see this video calling it the best of the Western Silent Hill games. I've played it through... four, maybe give times (on the Wii), and it's only a matter of time before I play it again.
I feel like people forget that most of Higurashi was just girls putting on edgy scary faces and laughing maniacally while covered in blood, and that Umineko really goes off the rails. I love Ryukishi's work but let's not act like he's created some deep and subtle psychological horror, he's made a bunch of campy over the top melodrama. GOOD campy and over the top melodrama, but still. He's a good idea if you wanna have a good story for the game, but I dunno about FITTING. Also don't forget it's being developed by Neobards.
@@ElectricBarrierhave you actually played the games or just watched the anime because if the second then I gotta say you’re wrong because that shit cuts a lot
Ryukishi07 is merely competent at writing psychological horror mystery. Calling any of his work "AMAZING" is going too far. But even then, he's has yet to prove if he could write a competent story to a Silent Hill game. No one has done it since Silent Hill 3.
Genuinely could not care less about that SH2 remake - even the little snippets they've shown off so far have convinced me thoroughly that Bloober absolutely does not have what it takes to recapture even a bit of the reserved, subtle and nuanced atmosphere that defined the original. Not to mention that the cinematography in the cutscenes so far screams of modern overdramatization - gotta make everything as loud and overt and as black-and-white as possible or the numbnuts that we assume make up our audience might not get it, right? Seriously though, why Bloober? Practically nobody in the survival horror community likes what those guys do. Baffling choice, but that's Konami for you. As for the other projects... I mean, there's nothing to actually go off of as yet. I suppose the trypophobia-inducing imagery in that trailer for f made my skin crawl, so maybe that one could be something? Honestly reminded me more of Siren than SH so far, but who knows.
@Chandler Burse Sorry in advance for the wall of text - me am no good at being succinct: I think the problem with discussing the quality of most walking sims is down to the fact that you really can't break that subgenre down very well in game design terms - their strengths and weaknesses are really more similiar to those of movies than videogames and most people that participate in such discussions get hung up on the gameplay aspects. Layers of Fear in my mind was a visually amazing game that pretended to have something deep to say when in reality it was a jumpscare-fest with a simple, straightforward story and pretty iffy pacing. Not terrible, but also not good. For the record, I am definitely not a fan of walking sims myself, but using that descriptor as a blanket explanation for what makes a game bad is just plain lazy. The issue with them making the next SH is that they have exactly zero experience making a game like SH. Nothing they have ever done was built on any of the design complexities that make a survival horror game - one of the most intricate genres in all of gaming. You wouldn't hire, say, a chef to fix your heater, right? They might well be capable of doing the job, but nothing about their qualifications says that they're the recommended go-to. Add to that the fact that good SH games in particular were about subtlety and substance and they've made mostly jumpscare games with pretentious storytelling and yeah... maybe hire a different chef to fix that heater, at least. Now that I think about it, this situation is pretty similiar to how horror is treated in most forms of media - horror is used as a blanket term to descibe dozens upon dozens of _extremely_ disparate experiences. Hostel is nothing like Rosemary's Baby, is nothing like Get Out, is nothing like It Follows, is nothing like The Exorcist etc.
Homecoming could have worked. There was a dark tone to the suburbs that was unique but it dropped the ball in so many areas. Alex being the reason for Josh's death and the cult kidnapping everyone around him TWICE and leaving him alone was incredulous.
Keep in mind the development of HomeComing went into disarray when The Collective originally helmed the production…but got into a merger with other companies.
Origins was the first SH i played, wanted to keep chronological like everything i play. It's a solid game, Travis is an interesting protagonist(if only they focused on him more), the puzzles are some of the best in horror games and the soundtrack is great, Hole in the Sky and Shot Down in Flames are iconic to the series. If it wasn't for the long-ass maps, easy as hell combat and the plot not knowing what it is, it would've been a great SH game. Shattered Memories i beat it in one sitting by how interested i was in the story, besides SH2 is the best plot in the series. The atmosphere is incredible, not pressing any button to read something and actually reading yourself till this day isn't something you find normally. The psychological part could've worked better on modern days, but it was interesting at least at the time. Also the soundtrack sticks with you a lot, the cover of Always On My Mind, the main theme Acceptence, the intro song When You're Gone and the ending song Hell Frozen Rain just makes the game iconic. Homecoming i tried to like. The first minutes i was playing and enjoying the atmosphere, but when i did a weak-weak-strong combo on a nurse i stopped and laughed for 10 fucking minutes. At least the game is good looking (sometimes) and the bosses are fun to fight, but the combat is shit, the story tries but it's shit and the PC port is unacceptable. At least Alex's Theme, This Sacred Line and One More Soul to the Call are great songs as always. Downpour is underrated as fuck. Though it's unfinished (a common Konami thing), at the state post-patch, it's really enjoyable. Murphy has a interesting background, the idea of choices could've been good if it wasn't a illusion and the puzzles compared to Homecoming are god tier. Also it took mechanics from past western SH games, like the puzzles and improvised weapons from Origins, the exploration and chases from SM, and (kinda of) the combat from Homecoming and the use of tools for advancing. The soundtrack was decent, though without Akira Yamaoka it had decent OST. But the only one it comes to mind is Silent Hill by Korn, the intro theme.
No, they did not. They did a crap job. Shattered Memories should've been called "Shittered Memories", because the only memory I have of that game is of PURE SHIT😂
@@shinbakihanma2749 you have got to chill out dude, ALL of your comments are about how absolutely garbage you think these games are. Opinions differing from your own about video games are so innocuous yet you act like these games have personally murdered your entire family.
I really liked Downpour for what it does. After Homecoming and hearing the awful dev process for Downpour, I really applaud them for what they were able to accomplish. You say a lot of the bad and good that I agree with, but I really like Murphy as a character. He's banal and doesn't really stand out that much, and it really shows in his design and the way he interacts with things. He's very resourceful in a sense that he knows how to tinker with electronics and can scavenge the environment for tools and weapons. I also like how insecure he gets. I think out of SH 1 - 3, only 3 has a protagonist whose personality really shows. You're not sure what to make of James, but you can say that Heather's a rebellious teen with an attitude. Murphy comes across that way for me. Downpour was far from perfect, it's launch was truly awful. I think it deserves it's mediocre status but there's really something about downpour that I like for me. I do wish they used the prison/criminal element more though. Even silent 2 used James' depression in it's gameplay in both story beats and interactables.
Shattered Memories was such a fun and unique experience for me as a kid. It was interesting watching my enemies change around me according to my choices, and having no choice but to run from them. The story was also really interesting. If anyone is interested in giving it a shot, and has the equipment to do so, I'd highly recommend you do.
For the record, Team Silent did have early development on Silent Hill 5 before it was scrapped early, and to make it all the more agonizing, it was supposed to be in the same vein as Silent Hill 2.
Sorry for my late comment, but I would have enjoyed that, for sure. I think the whole fanbase is *still* wanting another SH game that: "A seemingly-generic protagonist is mysteriously called to Silent Hill, and must discover the truth while avoiding/confronting 'monsters' that are living metaphors for the protagonist's traumas. Big jaw-dropping twist at the end" I feel like 2 is the only one to actually do this. Shattered Memories tried, but isn't technically an example, depending on your interpretation. I hope we get to enjoy that kind of "dark adventure" once more before the End.
Remaking 2 is so dumb. Maybe people may disagree and call it sacrilege but SH2 holds up. I played it last winter, 1st time since 2003 or so. Silent Hill on the other hand in an amazing game that the 32 bit 3D Polygonal Sony PlayStation 1 graphics just do not age well. SH should be the one remade. The other side which we ALL agree on, the original voice cast of SH2 is vastly superior. This is something else I remain cynical about, their new cast being inferior to 2001 SH2 cast.
The reason Konami outsourced Silent Hill is because the games were selling terribly. If a game studio (like Team Silent) isn't delivering, there's pressure to bring in someone else who will hopefully turn the series in around. Silent Hill 2 bombed in Japan. Silent Hill 3 flopped in Japan. Silent Hill 4 had no competition and bombed harder than previous titles. Because Silent Hill was a floundering series, Konami wanted to make some money from it because it did find some success outside Japan, but they weren't inclined to spend a lot of money, so the contracts went to whichever studios were willing to endure their conditions -- conditions like "You have 9 months to make SH Origins."
I'm glad they cancelled the Kojima Silent Hill after seeing how Death Stranding turned out. I also hate modelling game characters after real actors. Death Stranding had no characters. It just had Hollywoods actors doing cameos.
I still can't get over how in Shattered Memories for the Wii, the snow particles cast real time shadows from your flashlight. That's some high-tech, next-gen, ray tracing beater stuff. On the Wii.
SM is incredibly well programmed but the shadows aren't using ray tracing. I think the particle effect is being duplicated, perspective corrected and made transparent. If you look carefully the shadows in SM have a weird depth to them. My favorite programming trick is the use of high res textures when you zoom in
I will say I genuinely have a lot of faith in No Code to make a good Silent Hill. Stories Untold was a great experience and the Devs even have some of their roots in Alien Isolation. I think they'll do a good job. I'm not a fan of Bloober all too much but I think they'll do alright on the remake. It probably won't be amazing but I think it'll be a pretty decent remake
Yeah, I’m really confident No Code can deliver. Stories Untold was great, and Observation is legitimately one of my favorite games I’ve discovered over the past couple years or so. It’s criminally overlooked. The moment I heard they were doing a Silent Hill game, I was instantly sold.
Bloober make what a stupid person thinks smart games are like. They are shallow games with ugly themes and do edgy shocking things for the sake of being edgy & shocking. They do not understand psychological horror, and their remake of SH2 is gonna suck shit.
I really liked Downpour. The enemy types were trash sadly but exploring Silent Hill in this game for the first time was really really good tbh. I had the feeling, that the game had more open world than the other titles. The atmosphere sometimes gave me chills. I remember one sidequest in a random basement where I almost shat myself.
Woot woot, was literally scrolling the wall thinking "man I wish there was more boulder punch to watch" as I've been binge watching the silent Hill reviews
I don't begrudge Shattered Memories existence, however, I do wish we had gotten Cold Heart instead. I'm surprised it didn't come up during the Shattered Memories section.
I'm glad I got to play it, even if it was much later after its initial release. I feel like this may have even enhanced my experience, as I may not have understood a lot of the subtext when I was younger. The final "psych eval" was spot on for me, but maybe it was just generic, haha.
Tom Hewlet did nothing wrong. He tried his best and the only reason the western Silent Hill games resemble the originals even remotely is probably due to him. He didn't have as much control as people think he did and he's DEFINITELY not responsible for them being bad.
Tomm "did" attempt to rewrite the entire script of the game. Mary herself confirmed this at a panel, that "he had it all ready, but Konami wouldn't let him do it". This was presumably to cut costs from reanimating the FOV sequences with new lip-syncing and such. ua-cam.com/video/2-J88aDDg70/v-deo.html If you've played the HD collection side-by-side with the original versions, some lines have been changed in ways that affect how you view the characters. Heather - who never really swore - gets given curse words just for the sake of it, as one example. The man thought the original voice acting was "shit," and that his recastings made the Born of a Wish scenario "playable". He even thought the monster designs in SH2 were terrible and that Pyramid Head left no real impact on the story - indicating that if given the chance, he'd even have "fixed" the monster designs. Timestamped source: ua-cam.com/video/TxYkNUyBhS4/v-deo.html I get that some people feel bad on Tomm's behalf, but please, don't handwave away his awful influence on the modern games. He's definitely responsible for the way the SH:HD collection released, and I will never forgive that.
You're right, he's definitely responsible for the dozens of bugs he listed, sent to the guys above him, and then found again unchanged after coming back from family leave. Gamerz™ love to find a single person to blame for the choices of corporations, letting the naked profit-seeking off the hook for the ways it ruins games. The Grate Debate's look back on the whole situation is far more realistic & nuanced than one guy - who was definitively an outsider in a VERY insular & stubborn corporate culture of Konami - purposefully ruined all your toys on purpose to piss you off. Get a fuckin grip, bud, and step into the real world for 2 seconds; recognize that being the face of a game's marketing does not imbue that individual with all power. Especially when that individual has to answer to stodgy salarymen who don't view a game beyond a product.
my greatest pet peeve with Homecoming is that the story had a lot of potential riding on it. the plot twist drops with the grace of a dry anvil, the character's are flatter than a 2x4, and the cult stuff bogs down the story. there were so many moments that could've worked if they developed the main characters in a way that makes us legitimately care about them while also toning down on the cult stuff. the awkwardness that we felt when Alex walks into town is enough to make us feel uneasy and i wish that sense of unease could be carried throughout the rest of the game. there's also the moment where he accidentally kills Joshua. it could've been an excellent plot twist that reveals the truly vile nature of our main protagonist, making us feel revolted with him. but there's not enough moments in the story where we get to actually understand Joshua and who he is as a character. he's flat and boring. a one dimensional child with a one dimensional relationship with his brother. there should've been more moments where we get to see the two of them interacting with each other. moments where we see them bonding with each other over very human things with the conflict caused by their parents finding a way to seep in divide the two. it'd have made their final moment together more impactful if we understood why they (and in turn the audience) should care about each other. it could've been one of the most interesting Silent Hill stories but sadly the writing team didn't find a way to make it work.
Except all those moments do exist in the game. What do you want? A few 50 minute long flashback cutscenes which interrupt the flow of the game? Or an overwhelming number of diary or journal entries to read for the back story. Stop bitching for bitchings sake. It was a decent story, the characters were mysterious and gray, the graphics still hold up, the music is great, the art design is amazing, the gameplay had some good ideas specially the ability to be able to dodge but it needed more polish. That's my only complaint for the game. The gameplay mechanics were alright but not polished enough.
@@titlasagna2172 I'm not asking for the game to become fucking BioShock. Calm the fuck down. Also, the game uses flashbacks anyways. No reason not to improve those scenes they show. It seems more like you're loving the game for the sake of it because you're adamantly ignoring all of its major shortcomings. Projecting much ain't ya?
@@frostsoul4199 no you can't you imbecile? You didn't objectively counter any of my arguments with any solid points. Instead got butthurt and misused the word projecting and embarrassed yourself. Take your pills and go to sleep kid.
Simple truth is team silent is no more. That doesn't mean we'll never get a great silent hill game again. But it won't be the same. We'll never quite go back to that same foggy town
My favorite quote about Downpour was from Twin Perfect "Oh I know the button, R2 I think." "Ah no, R2 is for accidentally hucking your weapon into a ditch." 🤣
I was surprised when discussing dialogue of homecoming, there was no mention of the greasiest quote in the entire series. “How bout I slap you then kill you?” It’s been a while but I believe this is when you ask some trucker guy for a gun or something.
The thing that Team Silent nailed so well was that early 00s Japanese vibe, no other Silent Hill game will ever feel the same. Even if Team Silent got brought back together by some miracle it still wouldn't be the same as it was.
Downpour is the best one overall, not perfect or that great, but it hits a passing grade on most things Shattered Memories has the best story and just a really strong basis for their visuals (I love cold dark areas and the multiple small details in the world are great) Homecoming is shit all over
Also recommend grabbing the 07th-Mod Patch, it adds a bunch of things from the console releases and are mostly toggleable like Widescreen, Full Japanese VA, New Sprite Option with Lipsync, Drawn Backgrounds, a bunch of CG Art (CGs are the fullscreen images that show for certain events), and an ADV Textbox (Textbox at the bottom, shows the name of the speaker) The vanilla Steam version doesn't have any of that, it's 4:3, no VA, backgrounds are photos that have gone through a bunch of filters, no CGs (outside of one that was added for ch6), and NVL Textbox only (Textbox fills the whole screen and doesn't show the name of the speaker)
I work with the a tech artist at Vatra Games i asked a lot of questions about this project. And he told me a lot of info about this. Most game devs here in Czech republic are recycled from studio to studio. For example most of us worked in 2 or 3 common studios. He told me the team had different plans for this title and they where forced to change some elements because of some western leadership. He also said that he really like working in this project cause he is a massive horror fun even tho it didnt turn as they expected.
I oddly did not mind Homecoming and Shattered memories.. But I really disliked Downpour.. Origins was.. Well.. not that great but not the worst in the series.. But that is just my opinion.. The worst one I played is not a single one mentioned.. But a arcade/mobile style game that I am not sure if it was released outside of Japan or not. ( I never bothered looking that up.. I played it once and thrown it into storage somewhere. I am not sure if I still have the game anymore.. and I am fine if its no longer there. ) I remember being hyped for "Silent Hills" but feeling devastated when Konami decided to backstab Kojima. I think he would have made one damn good Silent Hill game that would have revived the series. Sort of like how RE7 helped revive at the time a dying series. ( I give it a lot of credit there, but for me I disliked RE7. I really disliked the lack of enemy variety. ) Oh and.. When you mentioned weapon durability and not knowing a game that benefited with that type of mechanic.. I feel the Dead Rising series benefited from it. If it did not have that no one would really be trying out different weapons as much as people did. They would just grab and hold one or two of their fav weapons and use the rest of their inventory for books/healing... and overall would have made the games too easy. I do agree though that Silent Hill did not use that mechanic very well at all in the ones that used it.
Everything after Team Silent was mediocre at best and the cynical revival is nothing to be excited about. Neither is the movie, specially considering the first one is not very good.
Silent Hill is a dead, their tomb sealed with blood and buried in a shroud of mist, marked with a plaque commemorating its passing in 2003. However, death need not carry such a traumatizing connotation, for in death comes closure. The series hit its stride with the third entry, capping off the franchise with an ending that, while not perfect, gave solace to what came before it. Had it ended there, Silent Hill might have rested in peace, as all things should. Unfortunately, it is the folly of man to ignore warning signs and disturb the dead for their own sake. They broke the seal and unleashed Silent Hill as a vengeful spirit, invoking a curse on those that dared disturbed it. What I mean is that every title after three decided that Silent Hill was a _name only,_ not a place to be respected, not a story that had been told, it was now a logo, a brand. Seeing SH plastered on the game box, you, the customer, are lead to believe your favorite story had returned. But, when you saw the hollow corpse shambling towards you, you recoiled from the sight. Game after game would only pay lip service to its predecessor while failing to evoke what made Silent Hill beyond the times. The name Silent Hill must be put to rest. That story is finished. The longer Konami drags that tortured soul around, the more damage they will incur and the curse will continue to spread, tainting any game unfortunate enough to have the logo branded on its skin. They suffer more because of it, never allowed to move beyond the shadow of their ancestor. Break the curse. Put it to bed. Let it go. Only then will the cycle of sadness cease and the future can belong to the next generation. The descendents of the franchise, those inspired by its feats, can learn from the triumphs, avoid the mistakes, and make a name for themselves as they evolve beyond the past.
I for one am stoked about SH2 remake and the SHf thing looks awesome but I’m just a RE fan that likes SH games I’ve noticed silent hill fans hate RE games as well as every silent hill game except for 2 lol idk I just feel SH has a toxic fan base
That last part about every sh game that is not 2 is very true. By the way, do you have any tips to not get rekt in the RPD in resident evil 2 original.
At the end there, you said ,,No matter what happens, we will always have the original" about the SH 2 Remake. I disagree. I mean, objectively speaking, sure. But the original is not available on any modern hardware. The only actual way to experience the original without emulation is to get an overprized oldschool console and an overprized copy of the game. Yes, one could just emulate the fanmade enhanced edition. But let's be real here: Nobody is actually going to do that except fans of SH 2 who dislike the remake. Most people would just choose the ,,not illegal" & easy option. Other than that little nitpick, I have nothing to disagree with here.👍
Being a huge Silent Hill fan from the beginning and having Silent Hill tattoos, I have to say the 1st 4 are unmatched, the 1st game for me despite its graphics is definitely the most creepy and oppressive feeling, the environments and the unhinged music make it a once in a lifetime experience, the 2nd game added emotion into the fold, the immense depressed feeling and the feeling of massive guilt, each character carried this immense guilt, I don't have much to say about 3, it's like a mix of 1 and 2, 4 for me refreshed the series, the game felt very dark and evil and the story was an absolute mindfuck, Walter was interesting as an unhinged psychotic character, I loved 4, as for the western games, I wouldn't count any of them as a failure, shattered memories was interesting and something different, I feel Origins tried to hard to emulate and follow the first game, I like some of the monster designs like the giant roadkill taunting Travis as he is a trucker and that harness ghost thing, this game feels like a chore to get through though, Homecoming was alright, good monster design but I felt it was riding too much on the movies coat tails, the story was interesting and the bosses were great, Downpour I feel is better than Homecoming, the monsters weren't that great, I liked the side quests, the chase sections not so much, I feel it could've been the best western Silent Hill title if they had more time with it, the Monocle man being left out as a boss sucks, anyway great video man👍 I thoroughly enjoyed it
I really liked Downpour. It didn't try to fit film's fans like Homecoming did. Instead of giving us Pyramidhead once again, Vavra decided to introduce a new character who was kinda similar when it comes to his purpose in the story. Also the world was much more grim, more depressing and it was very Silent Hill-like. Murphy wasn't a very deep character but still had more charisma than Alex or Henry from SH4. The story was decent and side quests were fun. I don't understand the hate it received.
For me it was the monster designs. They weren't scary or unique in any way whatsoever. They were just humans with various things added to their faces and that was it. That and the Korn song. What a stupid choice.
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How can you call yourself a Silent Hill fan and still make one of the dumbest arguments in Silent Hill fandom? I'm referring to the " Pyramid Head only makes sense in SH2 " argument. Obviously someone is forgetting SH3. In that game it is pointed out that not everyone who goes to Silent Hill gets monsters based on their sins or trauma. The town itself chooses what monsters you may face. That's why one of the overlooked creatures from SH2 was a return and more prominent creature in SH3. So you're argument is invalid.
@@derrickemerine1040 Literally every Silent Hill fan disagrees with you
Sound cuts out near 48 minute mark 👍
Wonderful video! As noted by the previous reply, the audio cuts out around 47:19, right as you're about to explain what happens in the conclusion of Silent Hill Shattered Memories, made the follow up discussion a little disjointed, especially since I was listening more than watching.
42:28 no sound ?
The PS3/360 era was crazy for most Japanese devs like Capcom, Square Enix etc. Glad they found their footing in the PS4/X1 era.
Too bad the west lost itself.
@@BoulderPunch yea now japanese games are better
@@anaveragegamer359 Not really
Sonic team devolved though
@@morkgin2459 sonic team nevwr recovered from last decade
Shattered memories is a banger. The Wii has a vast library of hidden gems. Buy one for $10 and put an SD card in and wander into the fog of piracy
I agree. It’s actually a really really good game. And even if it’s not an “original” silent hill, I still view it as such.
This is how I discovered Rhythm Heaven Fever and Ghost Squad, such addicting games. I played this game on PCSX2 with HD texture pack though because I couldn't play it on my Wii at the time.
Matt throwing that fire axe is literally all i remember from Downpour. Iconic
I don't hate Downpour as much as most people but that fire axe throw was the single best thing this game has given the world
@@grygoo2680 amen hallelujah
I saw the intro and I unconsciously channelled Pat's laughter through me.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?
RIP SBFP. I’ll always remember them. It isn’t that great when their content separately, as themselves, wasn’t as good or memorable than when they were as a group.
Troy Baker's performance in Silent Hill 2 makes it seem like James is constantly in the middle of taking a fat poo.
Makes me so exited for the silent hill 2 remake *Sarcasm Intensifies*😢
And Maria/Mary sound like they have a vibrator left on full power 24/7, the original actress was great at switching between sweet sickly Mary to tempting Maria while still keeping the same voice just changing the tone. The new voice acting? May as well just be the exact same person which misses the point
That's a nostalgia blinded opinion, obviously.
I've been listening to the new voice acting and the only ones whom I have problems with were Maria (sorta) and Eddie.
Baker had truly great moments here and there. Like, the way he read his lines to Maria at the prison were of a genuinely scared and confused person. His particular "No...I'd never..." line at the Angela's "boss" scene also sent chills down my spine. While, I'd say, in the original va James's "That's why I did it, honey!" line killed the moment for me with how fake it sounded.
Also Angela sounded like a drunk middle-aged woman and I disliked it as well. Even though I had no problems with the original va, I can see the negatives.
Why people decide to be less objective, I have no idea. The "new" voice acting isn't bad, like at all. It's just not the same.
@@smart.but.stupid
Nostalgia blinded, hm? Ok. We'll look at it objectively:
"That's why I did it honey!"
"how fake it sounded"
...Because it was fake. You removed it from its context. He is literally supposed to sound fake in that moment. He didn't know if he believed himself, he is putting up a persona(James is supposed to be all about struggling with persona and fantasy) and then says something different a moment later.
The full quote is: "That's why I did it honey! I just couldn't watch you suffer... No, that's not true.... *voice becomes shakey*... the truth is... I hated you. I wanted you out of the way. I wanted my life back". A statement which is also not entirely true, but there is truth in.
If you think it sounded fake, that means that the actor did his job and an attempt to correct that is an error of judgement.
Do you remember the scene at all?
"No I'd never"
Baker actually messes up this line by changing its tone. James is meant to be defensive to a prickly degree. OG James says it with the sense that he's offended Angela said that. Remember that this is suppose to be the same James that reacts with anger everytime someone suggests he is wrong or did something wrong.
He snaps at Laura for contradicting his timeline and he insists "I'M NOT LIKE YOU" when Angela suggests they are similar. As if, how dare she suggest he have some buried issue he refuses to address.
Troy says it generically(if decently) sad because he lacks direction. Why is he downbeat suddenly in this scene? Doesn't he have a persona to aggressively preserve for himself?
Angela does sound like a drunk woman. In fact, the cinematography of the game WANTS you to notice how weird she speaks. Notice how when she says "LoOSsT??", we get a close up on her face. That's the director showing us that her manner of speech and cadence are wrong and alien. We see, fully rendered in CG how far and unnaturally she contorted her face to say that and the cinematography tells us that this is significant. That's why the scene is actually more awkward when the monotone new voice says lost more calmly while Angela's facial expressions and body language remain exaggerated. It doesn't fit anymore and it starts coming off like a Godzilla dub.
"Maria(sorta)". Maria(absolutely). She delivers the worst performance in Silent Hill history. Not only is she monotone and Illfit pitchwise, sounding way too old for James, she lacks all of the range the original actress had. New Mary/Maria no longer distinguishes her performance between the two personalities. She barely distinguishes between moods. She also suffers from what a lot of bad performances trying to sound professional suffer from: inappropriate breathiness.
At times where she needs to be dramatic, she is so unable to emote that she relies on exaggerated breaths between lines. She uses this to mess up the most emotional line in the game: "James, you made me happy", killing the emotional climax of the ending.
OG Mary/Maria gave the best performance whereas the new one gave the worst. She's not just some character who's lines can be messed up like that and still expect the story to work as well. Her performance is the one that is supposed to ground the story to a human level.
I'm suppose to feel things when she says stuff. Shouldn't I feel angry when Maria emotionally manipulates me or shouts at me? Should I feel an uncanny disturbance when Maria uses Mary's memorys in the cell(she's REAL bad in this scene)? Should I feel the full weight of the tragedy when Maria reads the letter?
With the new voice, that is all a no.
When you actually look at it objectively, the new voices are miles worse. That's not to say the old ones are perfect, but the new ones are a hatchet job that don't fit the game or mood.
The old voices are worth improving upon, but the examples you gave were just not problems and in fact, you removed them from the contexts that justified why they were the way they were. Meaning, you were criticizing the wrong stuff through the wrong lense.
All of this is ignoring the horrible reverb and awful mixing unique to HD collection. From the lesser performances to the awful mixing, it may be one of the more embarrassing "professional" voice jobs of its caliber. I cannot believe they got a good actor like Troy Baker and then gave him no direction and had him come out with one of his worse performances. Such weird casting too. "We need Troy Baker to put on a deep, breathy voice to play... the infamously meek James Sunderland". Like, what?
A real issue old voices had was that they could sometimes slur their words("you said your wife was dead, vrriight?") or lack intensity(James).
The issue is that HD voices not only lacked intensity, they lacked range the originals had, making the originals still preferable. Nostalgia is completely aside. The new voices are outright inferior in possibly every way. Just because something is old and flawed, that doesn't make the new thing inherently better at all. They have to actually try. They thought they could just hire professional voice actors and sleepwalk the whole thing the whole thing and get something better. Whoops.
There's still hope for the remake, though. Voices in that sounded fine in the trailer thus far, if different in its own way.
@@eddie142 even though it had to sound fake, it doesn't mean it had to sound like from a cheap soap-opera or smth. In the new dub it also did sound "fake" in that sense, as in James reassuring Mary (and himself) he did this in an altruistic attempt, but it doesn't at least make me cringe.
And what about the next part? "The truth is...I hated you!" sounds just as bad in the OG dub, you don't really feel anything in his voice besides that they actor is desperately Trying to sound convincing.
Thank you so much for using the Matt and Pat clip, and referencing them. They still mean so much to me, and every time I see someone use that clip, it makes me so happy. This was a fantastic video!
The thrown axe is what ended Their friendship.
It’s true, it’s where the curse began.
I SCROLLED DOWN FOR THIS I WAS EXPECTING TO HEAR THEIR VOICES WHEN THE AXE WENT FLYING
🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻
love seeing their fans in the wild. they were such a huge part of my life sometimes i forget some people don’t see a game and think of them like we do lol
The reason shattered memories was able to have so much variable scenarios is because of the magic of the wii. Essentially last gen games were able to be published as triple A games. Dev costs were probably clearly lower to be able to create all of these scenarios. Something possible with old school games but impossible with modern triple A development where a hair particle takes as much compute power as a whole character in old tech. Remember when ff7 had optional characters with their own set of animations and side story? You think a modern ff game would waste time render and programming a 2 whole characters with the possibility that a lot of players will never even see them?
"We still have the original." No we don't. For almost any of them. They're hard to come by. I saw a ps2 copy of SH3 for sale for $200 at my local comic con a few weeks ago.
Yeah but the PC versions are really easy to get working well, can even make them wide screen. The first one you can very easily emulate. So yeah we kinda do still have them.
@@ElectricBarrier I think he proved me wrong in the video right after I posted this and I was to busy to delete it at the time.
You definitely missed out by emulating Shattered Memories, I understand WHY you did because Silent Hill games cost the soul of your firstborn son on ebay, but I'm really glad I got lucky and was able to get a copy before I would have had to sell a testicle to afford it.
Because the use of the speaker on the Wiimote is genius, it's used for your phone as well as for some of the more unsettling sound effects like ghostly voices or the screams of the monsters in the chase sequences. It intentionally utilizes the dogshit quality of the remote's speaker to enhance the creep factor. Now THAT’S an understanding of console hardware. Shattered Memories is my personal REAL Silent Hill 4, I fucking love it.
Also it's weird revisiting Shattered Memories and hearing Kirk Thornton voicing Harry, after literal years of only hearing him as the voice of Shadow in Sonic BOOM and Sonic Forces. Makes me imagine an interpretation where Shadow's heroic story arc in Sonic Adventure 2 is revealed to be Maria's dying vision, when in reality he's a shortsighted edgy dick like how the modern Sonic stories portray him.
Shattered Memories is a masterpiece, and I mean that wholeheartedly.
I played the game 3 times at different points in my life... As a kid, as a teenager and recently as an adult... And I cannot compare it to any other game, but instead, I compare it to The Little Prince, perhaps my favorite book.
Every playthrough my answers changed. I discovered things I haven't seen before either because the playthrough was different or because the game is simply so densely packed with things, but even more, there were things that were subtle and mature... I played and saw those things in my playthrough as a kid, but I wouldn't understand what they added to the story until I played it again a couple of years ago.
I know I'll have to give the game another go years from now and have yet another entirely new experience.
The game changed a bit every time I played it, but what really makes it a masterpiece for me is how changed I was every time I played the game... The game really played with me as much as I played with it, the devs achieved what they set out to do.
I liked Homecoming...well at leat some parts. Scarlet was one of the best bosses in the universe, on the hard difficulty she was a pain in the ass.
Murphy getting arrested for a lame crime is actually a really important detail, which you’re dismissing. Him going to prison was literally so he could get to Napier. He picked a crime that wouldn’t hurt other people, because he wants to believe he’s still a good person, but had to make sure it was something that would get him locked up in prison, as opposed to a short jail sentence. He also needed to make sure he’d be locked up long enough to pull the strings to get in the same prison and cell block as Napier. Frank Coleridge even remarks that Murphy is not like the murderers and rapists he’s in with, and is super surprised that he’s in that prison.
I get not liking the execution, but dismissing a conscious and well thought-out choice for the sake of an awkward bit seems disingenuous. Not that Downpour is a great game, far from it. But this plot line was the most interesting part of the game for a lot of people, and probably one of the best non-team Silent plots to come out of the franchise.
Anyway, great video otherwise! Love your stuff as always!
This video made me miss Super Best Friends
Even more. 😥
Ah, the truly terrifying Silent Hill games.
Yeah. Honestly, I can't wait for the Silent Hill 2 Remake to come out, and I hope they won't mess it up. Just for fun, I made a video to share my thoughts on what the remake should have to be great: ua-cam.com/video/LtGmuJ4r04I/v-deo.html
The Downpour theme is not really from "KoRn" it was only made by J.D without the other guys, i think its actually ok.
The song is allright, Davis is a great singer, but it has no place on a Silent Hill game soundtrack. That's just like putting a Marilyn Manson song in Alien movie. It just doesn't fit.
@@rocznik83 Now imagine putting in Nickelback in Silent Hill.
@@fernie-fernandez look at this photograph!
Appreciate that you started with a SBFP reference
Silent Hill Shattered Memories hit me hard in the feels. It’s my fav of the western developers
I have absolutely zero expectations for the future of this franchise tbh. Even the remake looks way off and the only reason people are cheering right now is because it's been more than a decade since we saw a new Silent Hill game so they will take anything at this point. Wait till the novelty wears off.
I loved Downpour.. and most all of the western developed games were just fucked up by WAYYY TOO MUCH oversight by *KONAMI* and not leaving anything up to the developers. I 100% blame Konami for these games failures.
So that said, I'm seriously scared for the 2 remake.. dammit 🥲
i liked DMC: Devil may cry, i would like they continued appart from the devil may cry series (i love it to)
You know what would've been cool if Rockstar developed a Silent Hill game. They already had experience making horror games like Manhunt 1 and 2. They even referenced Jacob's Ladder through an in-game website in GTA V.
Man imagine how amazing a Silent Hill game would look on the current iteration of the RAGE engine.
One of the most frustrating things about Shattered Memories for me is that a lot of its good ideas don't really work together. Like, a game where you can't fight and have to run was a cool idea; and a game where the monsters' appearance changes based on your choices is a cool idea. But if you put them together, the effort put into changing the monsters' appearance is completely wasted, because you never really get a good look at them. You're always running and there's not much incentive to stop and look at them.
I say this as someone who played this game at least twice when it came out, but only found out that the monster design even changes quite recently.
James falls to his knees in agony in the original in the exact same part as well.
Wait, isn't Alex kinda like Harry? Just replace Josh with Cheryl and boom badda bing.
Homecoming may not have been a great Silent Hill game but it had some truly disturbing moments and boss design.
If we are being specific all the silent hill games were meant for the western audience except that SH 1 through 4 had a Japanese studio and after SH 4 that's when a western studio took over and screwed up the franchise there isn't even any Japanese dubbed versions of the silent hill games either.
Pendleton was looking for
a way out . I wonder if he found what he was looking for .
James thought he would find Mary I believe he might have been looking for closure or forgiveness for killing his wife Mary .
I look forward to other
videos about this series and there is an S 2 reboot in the works .
Resident evil 4 was my first ever video game when moved to the US, the only thing I understood was what the ganados were yelling at me, since then, I have played every re game, and I have always been interested in silent hill, being the competitor, but I never understood why Konami never just released the older games, I can still buy code Veronica on ps5, why don’t they do that, or the recently released mgs master collection
Western silent hill games trapped us in the cycles of guilt harder than any of their protagonists have
Savage
You'll be fine as long as you invest Brousoff in your legs
It took a big fat Devin Shatsky on the series
They're still riding that wagon till the wheels fell off today.
@@D0NU75 My legs are ok.
Oh no!! I think there's an audio editing error at 47:30 ? I was so invested! Do you have a script for what you say around that part?
Thank you I thought I was crazy lol 😅
Bruh shattered memories was so bad that the video had to mute itself 💀 I consider all these games like alternative realities to the mainline silent hill games
audio cuts out for me too, loving the video otherwise
@@mrkappa1232ain’t no way you dissed Shattered Memories
Ditto
28:00 my favorite part about the whole God of War Ragnarok 'hint system' is that it was only included due to DarkSydePhil, since during a GDC the developers showed an example of a player that struggled with a puzzle in the 2018 God of War which was a clip of DSP
Dudes legacy is only to make games worse.
I got so irritated with that hint system. Don't even let me mess around with the puzzle before blurting out the solution.
lmao really? 🤣 , I guess that explains why I don't like modern games ack ack ack
I love how Harry Mason in Shattered Memories is basically an Anti-Maria.
I am not sure if you already know, but the audio cuts out completely at around 47:30 until about 48:12
It still does even 9 months later
@@jamberry9795 its muted because of copyright.
How do you put out so many videos every two weeks or so? I love it. Keep up brother.
Almost like it's his job
He punches a boulder and a video comes out
Guessing this is actually a team effort with one "face" like most YT channels these days.
Nothing wrong with that but it's kinda become kayfabe to pretend one dude randomly makes shit that happens to be good.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the secret ending for Silent Hill downpour it doesn’t change much but really shows at the very least the love the developers had for the series over Konami
No it didn’t. It was just ripped models from the HD Collection. If anything it wasn’t more evidence how unworthy they were.
@@FourEyesFive well considering it was a secret ending that was absolutely unnecessary to be made i can't really see how it would be ill intended, to me it was a pretty cute gesture
@@AlynRapi a cute gesture is a lot different from “shows the love they had for the series”
@@FourEyesFive but aren't cute gestures meant to be for the things you love?
@@AlynRapi not when they’re boring cop outs like some ripped models repeating a passive animation. And some with sleeves.
I'm not sure the devs can even be blamed for downpour. Konami was ordering them making changes they didn't want and that's got to suck. Can't say what it would be if they would have gotten to make what they wanted.
Same thing happened to Homecoming.
@@CabezasDePescado dang, that's sad and doesn't wake confidence in me about the new projects in the works.
I actually like Downpowr, conceptually.
@@denkerbosu3551 nothing wrong with that!
@@Hiihtopipa my hope is that Konami is a different company, now, than 10 years ago. By the end of the Silent Hill run, last time around, Konami seemed to be more interested in mobile gaming and pachinko than anything else. However, I think Capcom and Square-Enix's revival as well as the rise of FromSoft may have some people with Konami aware of just how much power they are wielding in their IP's. It would also explain the sudden release of Suikoden 1 and 2 in remaster which kind of came out of nowhere. I also wouldn't be surprised if Castlevania's success as a show may have triggered some stirring at the company, too. It's all only speculation, for now, but I am optimistically skeptic after RE's Revival. That series was only in marginally better state before RE7 and RE2 Remake. Operation Raccoon City and Umbrella Corps were not that long ago.
Anybody else have sound cut out at 47:29? It comes back minutes later but yeah, jarring.
Yeah, such a crucial part of the video too
Yeh. I thought my phone crashed
@@josedorsaith5261 it probably did crash, using that cheap keyboard down in your mothers basement huh 😼y boy?
To this day, I still remember fondly Shattered Memories. It was truly shocking playing it as a kid on a PSP, but the story, atmosphere and main mechanic are worth the experience.
Thanks for making this analysis. It's important to give proper criticism and praise when it's due.
Just recently beat the game on my trusty PSP, might do it again
I absolutely loved Shattered Memories, so it pleases me to see this video calling it the best of the Western Silent Hill games. I've played it through... four, maybe give times (on the Wii), and it's only a matter of time before I play it again.
Ryukishi07 is an amazing psychological horror mystery writer, people are really understating how great of a fit he is for this.
We will see, is hard to be excited over the revival given the context.
I feel like people forget that most of Higurashi was just girls putting on edgy scary faces and laughing maniacally while covered in blood, and that Umineko really goes off the rails. I love Ryukishi's work but let's not act like he's created some deep and subtle psychological horror, he's made a bunch of campy over the top melodrama. GOOD campy and over the top melodrama, but still. He's a good idea if you wanna have a good story for the game, but I dunno about FITTING.
Also don't forget it's being developed by Neobards.
Ive never heard of this man.
@@ElectricBarrierhave you actually played the games or just watched the anime because if the second then I gotta say you’re wrong because that shit cuts a lot
Ryukishi07 is merely competent at writing psychological horror mystery. Calling any of his work "AMAZING" is going too far. But even then, he's has yet to prove if he could write a competent story to a Silent Hill game. No one has done it since Silent Hill 3.
Genuinely could not care less about that SH2 remake - even the little snippets they've shown off so far have convinced me thoroughly that Bloober absolutely does not have what it takes to recapture even a bit of the reserved, subtle and nuanced atmosphere that defined the original. Not to mention that the cinematography in the cutscenes so far screams of modern overdramatization - gotta make everything as loud and overt and as black-and-white as possible or the numbnuts that we assume make up our audience might not get it, right?
Seriously though, why Bloober? Practically nobody in the survival horror community likes what those guys do. Baffling choice, but that's Konami for you.
As for the other projects... I mean, there's nothing to actually go off of as yet. I suppose the trypophobia-inducing imagery in that trailer for f made my skin crawl, so maybe that one could be something? Honestly reminded me more of Siren than SH so far, but who knows.
@Chandler Burse Sorry in advance for the wall of text - me am no good at being succinct:
I think the problem with discussing the quality of most walking sims is down to the fact that you really can't break that subgenre down very well in game design terms - their strengths and weaknesses are really more similiar to those of movies than videogames and most people that participate in such discussions get hung up on the gameplay aspects.
Layers of Fear in my mind was a visually amazing game that pretended to have something deep to say when in reality it was a jumpscare-fest with a simple, straightforward story and pretty iffy pacing. Not terrible, but also not good.
For the record, I am definitely not a fan of walking sims myself, but using that descriptor as a blanket explanation for what makes a game bad is just plain lazy.
The issue with them making the next SH is that they have exactly zero experience making a game like SH. Nothing they have ever done was built on any of the design complexities that make a survival horror game - one of the most intricate genres in all of gaming.
You wouldn't hire, say, a chef to fix your heater, right? They might well be capable of doing the job, but nothing about their qualifications says that they're the recommended go-to.
Add to that the fact that good SH games in particular were about subtlety and substance and they've made mostly jumpscare games with pretentious storytelling and yeah... maybe hire a different chef to fix that heater, at least.
Now that I think about it, this situation is pretty similiar to how horror is treated in most forms of media - horror is used as a blanket term to descibe dozens upon dozens of _extremely_ disparate experiences.
Hostel is nothing like Rosemary's Baby, is nothing like Get Out, is nothing like It Follows, is nothing like The Exorcist etc.
Homecoming could have worked. There was a dark tone to the suburbs that was unique but it dropped the ball in so many areas. Alex being the reason for Josh's death and the cult kidnapping everyone around him TWICE and leaving him alone was incredulous.
Keep in mind the development of HomeComing went into disarray when The Collective originally helmed the production…but got into a merger with other companies.
*sees axe being thrown* I understood that reference.
Origins was the first SH i played, wanted to keep chronological like everything i play. It's a solid game, Travis is an interesting protagonist(if only they focused on him more), the puzzles are some of the best in horror games and the soundtrack is great, Hole in the Sky and Shot Down in Flames are iconic to the series. If it wasn't for the long-ass maps, easy as hell combat and the plot not knowing what it is, it would've been a great SH game.
Shattered Memories i beat it in one sitting by how interested i was in the story, besides SH2 is the best plot in the series. The atmosphere is incredible, not pressing any button to read something and actually reading yourself till this day isn't something you find normally. The psychological part could've worked better on modern days, but it was interesting at least at the time. Also the soundtrack sticks with you a lot, the cover of Always On My Mind, the main theme Acceptence, the intro song When You're Gone and the ending song Hell Frozen Rain just makes the game iconic.
Homecoming i tried to like. The first minutes i was playing and enjoying the atmosphere, but when i did a weak-weak-strong combo on a nurse i stopped and laughed for 10 fucking minutes. At least the game is good looking (sometimes) and the bosses are fun to fight, but the combat is shit, the story tries but it's shit and the PC port is unacceptable. At least Alex's Theme, This Sacred Line and One More Soul to the Call are great songs as always.
Downpour is underrated as fuck. Though it's unfinished (a common Konami thing), at the state post-patch, it's really enjoyable. Murphy has a interesting background, the idea of choices could've been good if it wasn't a illusion and the puzzles compared to Homecoming are god tier.
Also it took mechanics from past western SH games, like the puzzles and improvised weapons from Origins, the exploration and chases from SM, and (kinda of) the combat from Homecoming and the use of tools for advancing.
The soundtrack was decent, though without Akira Yamaoka it had decent OST. But the only one it comes to mind is Silent Hill by Korn, the intro theme.
I love that the most memorable things of the games you mention are the songs. I do that to lol
The audio cuts out around 47:30 for about a minute. I guess the soundtrack section used was copyright claimed or something?
Yeah, it's silent there for me, too...
Man, they really did a good job with Shattered Memories
No, they did not. They did a crap job. Shattered Memories should've been called "Shittered Memories", because the only memory I have of that game is of PURE SHIT😂
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It's great for PSP, but to each their own
It certainly had its issues but you're right it was a good, interesting game
@@shinbakihanma2749 and your name should be shit Baka Hanma because that’s a bad take
@@shinbakihanma2749 you have got to chill out dude, ALL of your comments are about how absolutely garbage you think these games are. Opinions differing from your own about video games are so innocuous yet you act like these games have personally murdered your entire family.
I really liked Downpour for what it does. After Homecoming and hearing the awful dev process for Downpour, I really applaud them for what they were able to accomplish. You say a lot of the bad and good that I agree with, but I really like Murphy as a character. He's banal and doesn't really stand out that much, and it really shows in his design and the way he interacts with things. He's very resourceful in a sense that he knows how to tinker with electronics and can scavenge the environment for tools and weapons. I also like how insecure he gets. I think out of SH 1 - 3, only 3 has a protagonist whose personality really shows. You're not sure what to make of James, but you can say that Heather's a rebellious teen with an attitude. Murphy comes across that way for me.
Downpour was far from perfect, it's launch was truly awful. I think it deserves it's mediocre status but there's really something about downpour that I like for me. I do wish they used the prison/criminal element more though. Even silent 2 used James' depression in it's gameplay in both story beats and interactables.
Shattered Memories was such a fun and unique experience for me as a kid. It was interesting watching my enemies change around me according to my choices, and having no choice but to run from them. The story was also really interesting. If anyone is interested in giving it a shot, and has the equipment to do so, I'd highly recommend you do.
Anybody else have sound cut out at 47:29? It comes back minutes later but yeah, jarring.
For the record, Team Silent did have early development on Silent Hill 5 before it was scrapped early, and to make it all the more agonizing, it was supposed to be in the same vein as Silent Hill 2.
Sorry for my late comment, but I would have enjoyed that, for sure.
I think the whole fanbase is *still* wanting another SH game that:
"A seemingly-generic protagonist is mysteriously called to Silent Hill, and must discover the truth while avoiding/confronting 'monsters' that are living metaphors for the protagonist's traumas. Big jaw-dropping twist at the end"
I feel like 2 is the only one to actually do this. Shattered Memories tried, but isn't technically an example, depending on your interpretation.
I hope we get to enjoy that kind of "dark adventure" once more before the End.
there was never such team as "team silent" stop romanticizing konami's infernal internal teams.
@@hollyc5417you never existed, stop romanticizing the idea of it
This comment made me sad
@@hollyc5417get laid
47:30 till 48:14 is dead air
47:29 Did anyone mention the sound going out?
I thought Downpour was the best one of the western games
Remaking 2 is so dumb. Maybe people may disagree and call it sacrilege but SH2 holds up. I played it last winter, 1st time since 2003 or so.
Silent Hill on the other hand in an amazing game that the 32 bit 3D Polygonal Sony PlayStation 1 graphics just do not age well. SH should be the one remade.
The other side which we ALL agree on, the original voice cast of SH2 is vastly superior. This is something else I remain cynical about, their new cast being inferior to 2001 SH2 cast.
The reason Konami outsourced Silent Hill is because the games were selling terribly. If a game studio (like Team Silent) isn't delivering, there's pressure to bring in someone else who will hopefully turn the series in around. Silent Hill 2 bombed in Japan. Silent Hill 3 flopped in Japan. Silent Hill 4 had no competition and bombed harder than previous titles. Because Silent Hill was a floundering series, Konami wanted to make some money from it because it did find some success outside Japan, but they weren't inclined to spend a lot of money, so the contracts went to whichever studios were willing to endure their conditions -- conditions like "You have 9 months to make SH Origins."
A genuine shame. Konami shooting itself on the foot as usual
@@mancubusvoid4503 Shooting itself? Maybe, but i don't really blame them tbh. In retrospect, Konami not having much faith in the series makes sense
missing audio at 48 mins
It was probably removed due to a copyright claim
I'm glad they cancelled the Kojima Silent Hill after seeing how Death Stranding turned out. I also hate modelling game characters after real actors. Death Stranding had no characters. It just had Hollywoods actors doing cameos.
What happened with the audio during shattered memories ending revelation?
I don't know what's going on here, both on my phone and PS5 UA-cam apps, the sound to this video cuts off at the 47:30 min mark.
Yeah same here
I still can't get over how in Shattered Memories for the Wii, the snow particles cast real time shadows from your flashlight.
That's some high-tech, next-gen, ray tracing beater stuff. On the Wii.
SM is incredibly well programmed but the shadows aren't using ray tracing. I think the particle effect is being duplicated, perspective corrected and made transparent. If you look carefully the shadows in SM have a weird depth to them.
My favorite programming trick is the use of high res textures when you zoom in
I will say I genuinely have a lot of faith in No Code to make a good Silent Hill. Stories Untold was a great experience and the Devs even have some of their roots in Alien Isolation. I think they'll do a good job. I'm not a fan of Bloober all too much but I think they'll do alright on the remake. It probably won't be amazing but I think it'll be a pretty decent remake
Yeah, I’m really confident No Code can deliver. Stories Untold was great, and Observation is legitimately one of my favorite games I’ve discovered over the past couple years or so. It’s criminally overlooked. The moment I heard they were doing a Silent Hill game, I was instantly sold.
Bloober make what a stupid person thinks smart games are like. They are shallow games with ugly themes and do edgy shocking things for the sake of being edgy & shocking. They do not understand psychological horror, and their remake of SH2 is gonna suck shit.
I really liked Downpour. The enemy types were trash sadly but exploring Silent Hill in this game for the first time was really really good tbh.
I had the feeling, that the game had more open world than the other titles.
The atmosphere sometimes gave me chills. I remember one sidequest in a random basement where I almost shat myself.
I thought Downpour was the worst, I actually enjoyed playing Homecoming.
Woot woot, was literally scrolling the wall thinking "man I wish there was more boulder punch to watch" as I've been binge watching the silent Hill reviews
Boulder punching? Are you talking about Chris Redfield? Wait a second.
I don't begrudge Shattered Memories existence, however, I do wish we had gotten Cold Heart instead. I'm surprised it didn't come up during the Shattered Memories section.
Shattered Memories will remain as one of my favorite gaming experiences ever, with one of the most memorable endings ever.
I'm glad I got to play it, even if it was much later after its initial release. I feel like this may have even enhanced my experience, as I may not have understood a lot of the subtext when I was younger.
The final "psych eval" was spot on for me, but maybe it was just generic, haha.
Wait does that mean that Until Dawn's most interesting feature was a ripoff of SH shattered memories with the therapy sessions?
Yes
Tom Hewlet did nothing wrong. He tried his best and the only reason the western Silent Hill games resemble the originals even remotely is probably due to him. He didn't have as much control as people think he did and he's DEFINITELY not responsible for them being bad.
As a fan of SBFP I am glad the legacy of throwing the axe has lasted for so long. Thanks!
Press RT to toss.
"The train guy was drunk!"
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Tomm "did" attempt to rewrite the entire script of the game. Mary herself confirmed this at a panel, that "he had it all ready, but Konami wouldn't let him do it". This was presumably to cut costs from reanimating the FOV sequences with new lip-syncing and such.
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If you've played the HD collection side-by-side with the original versions, some lines have been changed in ways that affect how you view the characters. Heather - who never really swore - gets given curse words just for the sake of it, as one example. The man thought the original voice acting was "shit," and that his recastings made the Born of a Wish scenario "playable". He even thought the monster designs in SH2 were terrible and that Pyramid Head left no real impact on the story - indicating that if given the chance, he'd even have "fixed" the monster designs.
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I get that some people feel bad on Tomm's behalf, but please, don't handwave away his awful influence on the modern games. He's definitely responsible for the way the SH:HD collection released, and I will never forgive that.
You're right, he's definitely responsible for the dozens of bugs he listed, sent to the guys above him, and then found again unchanged after coming back from family leave.
Gamerz™ love to find a single person to blame for the choices of corporations, letting the naked profit-seeking off the hook for the ways it ruins games. The Grate Debate's look back on the whole situation is far more realistic & nuanced than one guy - who was definitively an outsider in a VERY insular & stubborn corporate culture of Konami - purposefully ruined all your toys on purpose to piss you off.
Get a fuckin grip, bud, and step into the real world for 2 seconds; recognize that being the face of a game's marketing does not imbue that individual with all power. Especially when that individual has to answer to stodgy salarymen who don't view a game beyond a product.
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my greatest pet peeve with Homecoming is that the story had a lot of potential riding on it. the plot twist drops with the grace of a dry anvil, the character's are flatter than a 2x4, and the cult stuff bogs down the story. there were so many moments that could've worked if they developed the main characters in a way that makes us legitimately care about them while also toning down on the cult stuff. the awkwardness that we felt when Alex walks into town is enough to make us feel uneasy and i wish that sense of unease could be carried throughout the rest of the game. there's also the moment where he accidentally kills Joshua. it could've been an excellent plot twist that reveals the truly vile nature of our main protagonist, making us feel revolted with him. but there's not enough moments in the story where we get to actually understand Joshua and who he is as a character. he's flat and boring. a one dimensional child with a one dimensional relationship with his brother. there should've been more moments where we get to see the two of them interacting with each other. moments where we see them bonding with each other over very human things with the conflict caused by their parents finding a way to seep in divide the two. it'd have made their final moment together more impactful if we understood why they (and in turn the audience) should care about each other. it could've been one of the most interesting Silent Hill stories but sadly the writing team didn't find a way to make it work.
Except all those moments do exist in the game. What do you want? A few 50 minute long flashback cutscenes which interrupt the flow of the game? Or an overwhelming number of diary or journal entries to read for the back story. Stop bitching for bitchings sake. It was a decent story, the characters were mysterious and gray, the graphics still hold up, the music is great, the art design is amazing, the gameplay had some good ideas specially the ability to be able to dodge but it needed more polish. That's my only complaint for the game. The gameplay mechanics were alright but not polished enough.
@@titlasagna2172 I'm not asking for the game to become fucking BioShock. Calm the fuck down. Also, the game uses flashbacks anyways. No reason not to improve those scenes they show. It seems more like you're loving the game for the sake of it because you're adamantly ignoring all of its major shortcomings. Projecting much ain't ya?
Do you even know the meaning of the word projecting? Are you on the spectrum or smth?
@@titlasagna2172 i should be the one asking you that question.
@@frostsoul4199 no you can't you imbecile? You didn't objectively counter any of my arguments with any solid points. Instead got butthurt and misused the word projecting and embarrassed yourself. Take your pills and go to sleep kid.
Simple truth is team silent is no more. That doesn't mean we'll never get a great silent hill game again. But it won't be the same. We'll never quite go back to that same foggy town
My favorite quote about Downpour was from Twin Perfect
"Oh I know the button, R2 I think."
"Ah no, R2 is for accidentally hucking your weapon into a ditch." 🤣
Those videos were great, hilarious and ahead of their time. I hope the channel revives when the new garbage comes out.
Isn’t Twin Perfect in a weird situation when they delve into Twin Peaks…!?
I love how you mention that Shattered Memories did run away from enemies before Amnesia. Clock Tower series exist since 1995.
The legacy of the axe toss lives on.
I was surprised when discussing dialogue of homecoming, there was no mention of the greasiest quote in the entire series. “How bout I slap you then kill you?” It’s been a while but I believe this is when you ask some trucker guy for a gun or something.
Why your voice cutoff in 47:26
The thing that Team Silent nailed so well was that early 00s Japanese vibe, no other Silent Hill game will ever feel the same. Even if Team Silent got brought back together by some miracle it still wouldn't be the same as it was.
Always loved that intro track in Origins, total shame it cuts off so abruptly. One of my favorite Yamaoka pieces
47:26 voice cuts off😊
Downpour is the best one overall, not perfect or that great, but it hits a passing grade on most things
Shattered Memories has the best story and just a really strong basis for their visuals (I love cold dark areas and the multiple small details in the world are great)
Homecoming is shit all over
just so everyone knows, the first chapter of Higurashi is permanently available for free on steam
Thank you! Always passed it over as visual novel trash before.
@@Louis-wp3fq I thought the same, but everyone's hype about whose the writer behind SH F got me into it.
Btw it starts slow so hang in there
Also recommend grabbing the 07th-Mod Patch, it adds a bunch of things from the console releases and are mostly toggleable like Widescreen, Full Japanese VA, New Sprite Option with Lipsync, Drawn Backgrounds, a bunch of CG Art (CGs are the fullscreen images that show for certain events), and an ADV Textbox (Textbox at the bottom, shows the name of the speaker)
The vanilla Steam version doesn't have any of that, it's 4:3, no VA, backgrounds are photos that have gone through a bunch of filters, no CGs (outside of one that was added for ch6), and NVL Textbox only (Textbox fills the whole screen and doesn't show the name of the speaker)
I work with the a tech artist at Vatra Games i asked a lot of questions about this project. And he told me a lot of info about this. Most game devs here in Czech republic are recycled from studio to studio. For example most of us worked in 2 or 3 common studios. He told me the team had different plans for this title and they where forced to change some elements because of some western leadership. He also said that he really like working in this project cause he is a massive horror fun even tho it didnt turn as they expected.
47:30 Anybody know what he said at this point? The audio is gone for this segment.
Downpour...
axe toss...
chasm...
Memories of friendship long gone, but not forgotten...
Never forget, we will always have the memories of how they were our Best Friends.
@@monkatagg1466 One was nice, and the other one was less nice.
I fucking knew that was a TBFP reference. Why must you hurt me this way
You're in for a trip when you check out "when they cry" lol Waiting for your take on it.
The title of this vid, should've been called: Examining Crap. These games are crap.
@47:29 your audio cuts out briefly
I oddly did not mind Homecoming and Shattered memories.. But I really disliked Downpour.. Origins was.. Well.. not that great but not the worst in the series.. But that is just my opinion.. The worst one I played is not a single one mentioned.. But a arcade/mobile style game that I am not sure if it was released outside of Japan or not. ( I never bothered looking that up.. I played it once and thrown it into storage somewhere. I am not sure if I still have the game anymore.. and I am fine if its no longer there. )
I remember being hyped for "Silent Hills" but feeling devastated when Konami decided to backstab Kojima. I think he would have made one damn good Silent Hill game that would have revived the series. Sort of like how RE7 helped revive at the time a dying series. ( I give it a lot of credit there, but for me I disliked RE7. I really disliked the lack of enemy variety. )
Oh and.. When you mentioned weapon durability and not knowing a game that benefited with that type of mechanic.. I feel the Dead Rising series benefited from it. If it did not have that no one would really be trying out different weapons as much as people did. They would just grab and hold one or two of their fav weapons and use the rest of their inventory for books/healing... and overall would have made the games too easy. I do agree though that Silent Hill did not use that mechanic very well at all in the ones that used it.
47:30 Oh, this part is muted
Why did the audio cut out between 46:20-48:10???
Everything after Team Silent was mediocre at best and the cynical revival is nothing to be excited about. Neither is the movie, specially considering the first one is not very good.
Silent Hill is a dead, their tomb sealed with blood and buried in a shroud of mist, marked with a plaque commemorating its passing in 2003. However, death need not carry such a traumatizing connotation, for in death comes closure.
The series hit its stride with the third entry, capping off the franchise with an ending that, while not perfect, gave solace to what came before it. Had it ended there, Silent Hill might have rested in peace, as all things should.
Unfortunately, it is the folly of man to ignore warning signs and disturb the dead for their own sake. They broke the seal and unleashed Silent Hill as a vengeful spirit, invoking a curse on those that dared disturbed it.
What I mean is that every title after three decided that Silent Hill was a _name only,_ not a place to be respected, not a story that had been told, it was now a logo, a brand. Seeing SH plastered on the game box, you, the customer, are lead to believe your favorite story had returned. But, when you saw the hollow corpse shambling towards you, you recoiled from the sight. Game after game would only pay lip service to its predecessor while failing to evoke what made Silent Hill beyond the times.
The name Silent Hill must be put to rest. That story is finished. The longer Konami drags that tortured soul around, the more damage they will incur and the curse will continue to spread, tainting any game unfortunate enough to have the logo branded on its skin. They suffer more because of it, never allowed to move beyond the shadow of their ancestor.
Break the curse. Put it to bed. Let it go. Only then will the cycle of sadness cease and the future can belong to the next generation. The descendents of the franchise, those inspired by its feats, can learn from the triumphs, avoid the mistakes, and make a name for themselves as they evolve beyond the past.
Unpopular opinion alert! I loved downpour and the atmosphere and world. Enemies sucked ass but everything else was great in my opinion
I for one am stoked about SH2 remake and the SHf thing looks awesome but I’m just a RE fan that likes SH games I’ve noticed silent hill fans hate RE games as well as every silent hill game except for 2 lol idk I just feel SH has a toxic fan base
That last part about every sh game that is not 2 is very true.
By the way, do you have any tips to not get rekt in the RPD in resident evil 2 original.
The latter Silent Hill games share a similar stigma with the Sonic series;
mediocre gameplay, banger soundtracks.
At the end there, you said ,,No matter what happens, we will always have the original" about the SH 2 Remake.
I disagree. I mean, objectively speaking, sure.
But the original is not available on any modern hardware. The only actual way to experience the original without emulation is to get an overprized oldschool console and an overprized copy of the game. Yes, one could just emulate the fanmade enhanced edition.
But let's be real here:
Nobody is actually going to do that except fans of SH 2 who dislike the remake. Most people would just choose the ,,not illegal" & easy option.
Other than that little nitpick, I have nothing to disagree with here.👍
Being a huge Silent Hill fan from the beginning and having Silent Hill tattoos, I have to say the 1st 4 are unmatched, the 1st game for me despite its graphics is definitely the most creepy and oppressive feeling, the environments and the unhinged music make it a once in a lifetime experience, the 2nd game added emotion into the fold, the immense depressed feeling and the feeling of massive guilt, each character carried this immense guilt, I don't have much to say about 3, it's like a mix of 1 and 2, 4 for me refreshed the series, the game felt very dark and evil and the story was an absolute mindfuck, Walter was interesting as an unhinged psychotic character, I loved 4, as for the western games, I wouldn't count any of them as a failure, shattered memories was interesting and something different, I feel Origins tried to hard to emulate and follow the first game, I like some of the monster designs like the giant roadkill taunting Travis as he is a trucker and that harness ghost thing, this game feels like a chore to get through though, Homecoming was alright, good monster design but I felt it was riding too much on the movies coat tails, the story was interesting and the bosses were great, Downpour I feel is better than Homecoming, the monsters weren't that great, I liked the side quests, the chase sections not so much, I feel it could've been the best western Silent Hill title if they had more time with it, the Monocle man being left out as a boss sucks, anyway great video man👍 I thoroughly enjoyed it
I really liked Downpour. It didn't try to fit film's fans like Homecoming did. Instead of giving us Pyramidhead once again, Vavra decided to introduce a new character who was kinda similar when it comes to his purpose in the story. Also the world was much more grim, more depressing and it was very Silent Hill-like. Murphy wasn't a very deep character but still had more charisma than Alex or Henry from SH4. The story was decent and side quests were fun. I don't understand the hate it received.
For me it was the monster designs. They weren't scary or unique in any way whatsoever. They were just humans with various things added to their faces and that was it. That and the Korn song. What a stupid choice.
@@heiscatnow Yeah, monsters design was very poor, with this I agree.