Devilbiss DV1 Clear Air Caps C1 v C2 Plus , What's the difference?
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2021
- This is a video i wanted to do for ages, finally the C2 cap came out so it was possible, a completely different experience between these 2 caps, hope you enjoy the video
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Another splendid and much appreciated video Pete! Yes, the C2 does appear to smash it on quicker than the C1. I suspect doing a large project would take a bit more compressor to keep up with the DV1, which may be a limiting factor for my 5HP single stage with 60-gallon tank. I just recently purchased the new ProLite here in the USA; and plan to also get the matching ProLite S, so it was great to hear you say the ProLite still lays down a great finish, especially with the TE20 cap. I look forward to the next videos you mentioned when comparing the same caps. Thanks again!!!
Thanks Ray, the DV1 does use a little more air than a Pro Lite with a TE20 cap but it is minimal, you won't find the Pro Lite wanting for anything to be fair which I'm sure you are finding and the pro lite S or Sri pro lite as it used to be called is a cracking mini gun, be interesting to hear what you think of them when you have got them up and running 👍
Hi Pete, Can I thank you for your input, which is very much appreciated. I dearly wish yoy had in excess of 200k subscribers!!! I agree with you entirely, If you are a production painter, you will not be want to muck about. Its all about getting the work out, without compromising quality, whether it is in a booth or painting Guitars, the mindset is the same.
It is my humble opinion, and I stand to be corrected. Clear coats have evolved, in the sense that, from a tack coat to a full coat, or a medium coat and a full coat. Firms like Debeers, Standox, PPG, Liquid Quartz and Mipa to name a few have moved to 2 full wet coats with nil flash off time. These are VHS clears. So you need a gun which lays it down fast and reasonably flat and as close to a conventional spray gun as possible. I think, this is where the DV1 with the C2 cap nicely fits in. It atomises very nicely, and you can clearly see the wet edge and just smash the clear on!!!!
Thank you Niam, yes, people want different things out of a spray gun, I really enjoy trying the different guns, seeing what they do differently to others etc, I have the money and the time, many have neither or are lacking in one or the other so there prime objective is to get the job done. While I don't have those constraints I have had in the past for many years so I always try and look at things from both sides, in the case of the DV1 Clear gun the C1 gives a truly excellent flat finish especially in 1.2, however it is very slow and as you know a super flat finish is not required a lot of the time so the DV1 Clear had many pro painters not liking it at all, even in 1.4 to try and speed it up it wasn't preforming well for them, the C2 cap goes a long way to addressing this, Devilbiss always had it in there line up but for some reason held production back as only C1 was available, appreciate the comments buddy 👍
You just answered my question between the GTI's and this gun, thanks!
Hi buddy, we aim to please 😂, cheers 👍
Great video Pete thanks 👍
Hi Steve, thanks mate, much appreciated 👍
Great review! Thanks a lot!
Your welcome Walter 👍
Hi Pete! Thank you for youŕ great vids, mutch appreciated. I think you are spot on with the differances of the two aircaps, the c1 is just so mutch slower. But just an idea, try the c1 with basecoats in my oppinion is a cracking cap for tricky silvers. I have the bascaot gun also with B plus, but the c1 is mutch smoother , at least with waterborn bases. I use Mipa WBC itś maybe differant with other brands. Thanks once again, greetings from Sweden.
Thank you Laszlo, I will certainly give that a try, haven't tried any clear caps for basecoat, the other way round yes but that's a good idea, cheers 👍
Nice video Pete! Love all your videos! Would you also be reviewing the new DV1-S smart gun soon?
Hi James, yes, but i haven't got one yet but rest assured I'll have one soon! , cheers👍
@@peteshobbies5383 more videos to come sir Pete! You Deserve a lot more subscribers for your effort.
@@JMSVV Thanks James, I'm sure the subscribers will come, maybe I'm just really boring😂😂, I only set the channel up to share what i like to do so I'm not wanting a mega hit on my hands it's just nice people appreciate what you do i guess Cheers👍,
Good one mate.........lots of info in this one......from Kiwi
Cheers buddy, thank you as always 👍
Hey Pete, always nice to see a new video from you, at the end you could see there is very little difference between the two tanks finish wise as they both look fantastic mate, if I'm right the difference between the two caps is air consumption as the C2 uses more air but then you benefit from the faster speed, you could see from your test pattern on the bench that the C2 gives a wider and wetter fan. Personally I prefer the slower cap as I like to take my time so I can get the finish how I want it.
My paint scheme arrived today so I now have a nice case full of lots and lots of bottles of paint, downside is that the bottles stand up in the case but the codes and colours are written on the side of the bottles so you have no idea which is which 🙄 I need to wright the codes on the top of each bottle 😨😂
Hi John, yes, the C2 uses a little more air but it really is very little, but, as you say, you can pile it on so it probably uses less air overall, they both give a great finish, anything lacking is down to me not the guns really.
I'm liking the smash it on approach to be honest which is a fair bit away from 2 years ago where speed wasn't a factor, having said that i enjoy using either cap and will continue to do so, the C2 is great for those critical of the C1 and it makes it a different gun, not for everyone but certainly different.
Glad you got your paint system, i have seen some on ebay used, and they always have the code in felt pen on the lid which sounds like a good idea👍
Yeah I think if you like a fast gun then the C2 is an ideal cap, since getting my DV1 C1 I've not used my GTI ProLite once for clear, it might just be me but I feel the DV1 has improved my clearcoat work quite a lot.
I've got all the bottles marked up with the code on the lids and they are all in numerical order I'm hoping doing it this way will make them easier to find. I'll be doing my first mix later in the week and want to try the 744 silver as it's the colour of my SLK 😎 never sprayed a silver so it could be a total mess 😂
@@JohnWD40TC02 as you will know the 744 is a very light silver, i think you'll be fine, being lighter it's more forgiving but a drop coat would sort it out anyway, try Honda NH642M when you get a chance, that's darker and can be motley if your not careful, but I've seen your video's and your very smooth so i don't think you'll have a problem.
Silver will show up if someone is not steady, so if there distance/angle/speed changes as there spraying you get problems of a build up in areas which then look darker and more metallic, your smooth so i don't think you'll have trouble 👍
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Thanks mate I'll try the Honda Storm Silver when I get a chance, fun times ahead 👍
great vid thanks
Thanks buddy, much appreciated 👍
That’s a really nice finish on both tanks !
Thanks mate, they are both capable of great finishes and having used the caps separately before i knew the C2 was faster but it really is a big difference, not to everyone's taste I'm sure but certainly good if your finding the C1 slow, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I got to say mate , I’m very impressed even after one coat , which do you prefer for clear coat application the DV1(either cap) or the Sagola 4600 ?
@@watchthisspacecarchannel6523 That's really difficult, I guess it would depend on pricing, in the UK the DV1 is around 15% to 20% more money although Sagola are undergoing a bit of a shake up now being owned by a UK based company so there are not so many outlets so maybe pricing will change.
I would go with the Sagola Xtreme i think particularly if it's cheaper, if the Sagola gets more money than the DV1 i would go with DV1, if they were the same price i would probably flip a coin because it's difficult to separate the two on performance
@@peteshobbies5383 good to know , because by what I saw in the video I would have thought you’d choose the DV1 although I would have thought by only a small margin.. surprising answer .. thanks Pete
@@watchthisspacecarchannel6523 Your welcome mate, they are all really close, I'm loving paying with the Sata 5500 but it's no better than the DV1 and Sagola so it wouldn't get a look in if, as with most people, price is a factor 👍
Nice Video buddy 😍😍😍
Thanks mate, much appreciated as always 👍
Bought the c2 air cap. Love it!
Hi Jeremy, it really does transform the gun doesn't it, certainly speeds it up which is what a lot of people complain about 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Yes it does speed it up. I sold my dv1 clearcoat gun because it was just too slow. But after hearing about the c2 cap I bought another one. It works great and it has a superb finish. It's not as fast as my Sagola 4600 but on some jobs that's a good thing
The Sagola 4600 in a 1.3XL is a joy to use, it puts a smile on my face every time I use it 😀
@@peteshobbies5383 absolutely 💯
Great video as always Pete, that air cap really made a difference and from the looks of it gave a slightly better finish as well although both was very very good! Cheers.
Thanks Steve, yes, they both give an excellent finish but the C2 does seem to take it, it's probably easier to get better finishes with it as well although it's also easier to over do it so swings and roundabouts 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Yes definitely, it does look like it puts a lot of material on in one pass. Cheers.
Great comparison between the 2, not really related do you find mini gun compared to normal size with both same size tips creates a lot less over spray in your workshop ?
Hi Sevy, yes, normally you will get less overspray with a mini spraygun than a full size gun even if the tips are the same size, this is because mini guns normally uses less air so they don't "drag" as much material through the same size tip as a full size gun.
The best way to keep overspray down is the lower working pressure mini sprayguns, you get very little overspray with those 👍
Hey mate are you using 1.2 or1.3 fluid tip ? Had one for a while now love it
Hi Tony, on this video it was a 1.3 tip but i have 1.2 & 1.4 tips as well, the flattest finish is obtained with the 1.2 but it's slower and flat is not aways what's needed, I really like these, my only criticism is there seems to be a lot of overspray compared to many and even with the C2 cap still not particularly fast which some people don't like
Hi Pete, cracking video! Cleared my decision up, one question though, im after the clearcoat version of the DV1 however have you tried running Base through the gun and if so did you encounter any issues? And was your set up different?
Currently running a GTI 1.3 / TE20 which is great but looking for an upgrade 👍🏻 cheers Tom
Hi Tom, Yes, I've tried base through the C1 cap, and it performs really well, I can't remember which way round it is, but one of the base caps looks identical to one of the clear caps, just the markings are different.
The C2 cap is more like the TE20, and the C1 is more like the T110 to give you a guide
@@peteshobbies5383 brilliant, thanks Pete 👍🏻
You're welcome, buddy 👍
Hello Pete, hope you are good mate. Quick question: If you have a dv1 base gun with the B+ Cap, can you change the air cap to a C1/ C2 and use the gun as a clear gun? Cheers, Steve
Hi Steve, Yes, having said that someone was telling me the other day that he tried it and the threads were slightly different.
Mine are the same on all the DV1 caps I have, so they may have changed them.
I asked for more information, but they have never gotten back to me, so maybe it was just a damaged cap they had.
Hi pete,
I'm currently using a pro lite with TE20 cap, im thinking of changing to the DV1 1.3/1.2 C2 and keeping the prolite as a base gun, would you recommend a 1.3 or 1.2 set up?
Hi buddy, sorry for late reply, I would go 1.3 as it's faster without any negatives, the TE20 if used with a 1.3 is probably about the same speed wise, if you use 1.2 with your TE20 then I would suggest 1.2
Dv1 lays it down real nice but out of my price range bud so sticking with my gti pro with a te20 cap 😊😊😊
They are hopelessly overpriced tbh Dean, i think it's just Devilbiss trying to take a leaf of of Sata's books, still there are plenty out there, me included that will spend the money so maybe they are the ones laughing, all the way to the bank as my deer old mum used to say, cheers mate 👍
just wondering, whats the temp when you are spraying these tanks? seems like you get a good result, how important is a good air filtration system when spray painting? What would you recommend for a beginner? Was looking for using something like a devilbiss qc3 with some end-filter just before the gun + regulator
Hi buddy, I often say in my videos what the temperature was. Maybe I forgot on this one.
My workshop has no real heating so temperature is normally quite low, I stop at 5°C as it too much of a struggle, I use IR lamps to heat the tanks/panels up before I apply the clear coat, I also heat the clear coat before applying.
The first video is the filter setup I used in this video. The second is the setup I have now,
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Thanks :) @@peteshobbies5383
Ill make sure watch those videos.
Got a clear thats recommended for 22 celsius, gonna struggle to have that temp up with fans at my place but Ill try something out with some diesel heaters and pre heat evertyhing. thanks again.
You're welcome, don't be put off. Most materials recommend 20 to 25c , it's certainly nice to work at those temperatures, but it can be done when it is colder.
Don't be put off, though , it's worth keeping at it. It can work really well 👍
Bought the Dv1, with the C1 cap, very slow and dry. I'm going to purchase the C2 👍👍
Hi buddy, yes, it certainly speeds it up, some have said the finish is not quite as good but i really haven't found that, it will of course depend on the clear you use but definitely worth getting a C2 if your finding the C1 slow, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks mate, just find the c1 very slow. Still great finish buy I suppose having both won't do any harm. Thanks again for the video mate, very helpful. Colin
Your welcome mate, let me know how you get on and what you think, it's useful for others to read as well, cheers
So I'm quite quick, the C2 sounds perfect for a good application and result
Hi Daz, Yes, it certainly speeds the gun up, although some say with a little more peel, although this is a plus point for many applications.
It is still not as fast as some, Sagola 4600 1.3XL, Sata 5000 1.3RP, and Walcom 1.3 Carbonio Lite spring to mind, but it's a good compromise, I think
Can you please do the difference of a standard HTE clear cap to MP cap on a walcom carbonio Genesi.
Hi Anthony, yes, i will get round to it as i have both setups now 👍
Yesterday got C2 cap and after the tests over C1 I can prove that C2 is a little better for me. Time will tell.
Hi Walter, hopefully you will like it the more you use it
Hi Pete, did you notice any difference between the dv1 clear nozzles and the base gun nozzles? I didn't realize the guns have different nozzles as well as caps. Bought the c2 cap and now wondering if I need to but the clear nozzle as well to make the transition. Thanks for all your fantastic videos. Your my go to guy for all things spray gun 👍
Hi David, the nozzles are marked C and B but are the same so you don't need to change the tip just the cap
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete. You saved me money again.
No worries David 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 could you ever see an application where the C1 cap would be advantageous over the C2 as far as finish ? Thanks again
Hi David, yes, the C1 cap with a 1.2 tip can give a very flat finish, the 1.3 or 1.4 speeds it up a little but with a slightly less flat finish, however it is quite slow, I personally prefer the C2 cap as it's faster and can still give a good finish even with the bigger tips.
I don't know if your familiar with the Devilbiss Pro Lite or Tekna Pro Lite as it is in the states, for me, the TE20 on that is similar to the C2, the TE20 is a bit faster but a great all rounder, the C1 is more like the T110 cap, a bit flatter and slower, again, that one is best with a 1.2
just bought a dv1 base for spraying metallics. which do you prefer the dv1 c2 cap or a sata5000rp for clear. my compressor sometimes can’t keep up with the sata making it lose pressure and causing orange peel. it’s an old compressor from 1984😂
Hi buddy, I would probably pick the Sata 5000 RP as it's a good fast gun, the C2 Devilbiss can give as good a finish but is a little slower, from memory the C2 cap probably uses around the same air volume as the Sata
Hı friend Can i use dv1 black gun c+ for base and Clear coat. Thanks
Hi, do you mean the C1 cap? , if so then yes, as they seem the same as the B+ cap and the guns and tips are the same apart from colour and markings
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Cheers 👍
How does the devilbiss c2 air cap spray vs Sagola 4600 dvr clear cap?
Hi Jeremy, that's a very good question, to be fair it's very difficult to go wrong with any of these top sprayguns but for me the Sagola Xtreme 4600 DVR Clear 1.3XL is top of my pile, it's a gun that puts a smile on my face every time i use it
If you’re a slower moving painter (like me lol) the C1 is great, if you like to move faster use the C2. Just got my DV1c today and blended a bumper to amazing results, doing my friends truck bed tomorrow where I’ll be putting Sealer, Base and Clear through to really test it.
Hi Michael, you're completely right. The C1 is preferred by people who want more control, I think you'll love the DV1S. It really is a great gun for smaller areas. The atomisation is really amazing . Let me know what you think when you get used to it. Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 will do thanks Pete. I have a DV1S that I use for my mobile paint business, that thing is a beast and I love it. Best gun I’ve ever bought, I’ll take that over any Sata I used to use.
Would agree 100% on that one. Don't know if you're seen my top mini gun video, but I put the DV1s at number one. It genuinely deserves it
Hi Pete!
I finally got DV1 base gun. But now I’m searching for 1.2 fluid tip. Is it really the same between base and clear fluid tips?
Hi mate, yes, I can't see any difference between the clear or base tip apart from the markings, everything is the same, Iwata and other manufacturers do a similar thing as well
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you 🙏 Have a nice weekend. When new video coming out?
Your welcome, hopefully another tonight 👍
Hey pete can i use air cup hvlp B for this gun thanks
Hi Buddy, Yes, it's all here,
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Hi Pete, question: where can I get that C2 air cap?? do you have a recommended site?
Hi mate, These people are pretty good and have them in stock,
spsupplies.co.uk/product/devilbiss-dv1-100-c2-hvlp-air-cap-kit-704435/
If you're in the US, I found it cheapest online at Summit Racing.
TC in Annapolis Maryland
Just got the dv1 clear gun and was wondering could u spray base coat with this gun?
Hi mate, yes, you can, it depends on the cap although both the C1 and C2 will spray base the C1 is better as a base cap, it's the same as the B+ base cap if memory serves me right apart from the markings 👍
Ah perfect then thanks mate appreciate the reply
Your welcome mate 👍
Hi Pete. Can I put the C2 cap on my DV1 base gun and get the same results ? Not sure of the difference between base and clear guns. Thanks
Hi David, apart from the colour there is no difference between them other than the cap, the base gun has B1.2 or whatever size on it's tip and the clear gun has C1.2 on it's tip but the tip, as far as i can see, are exactly the same, so, as with the pro lite, it's the cap that makes the difference, so, in a roundabout way, the answer to your question is yes, you can put a C2 cap on your base gun and you will have a clear gun, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I think you should change your tag line to Petes University. The knowledge you share with us deserves tuition
Your welcome mate 👍
I wouldn't go that far David 🤣, it's just a case of having the equipment so puts me in the position to know the answer's on many an occasion, cheers 👍
I have a dv1 basecoat version, can i just swap to a C2 cap or do i need a different needle/tip?
Hi buddy, just the cap should be fine . The tips are marked clear or base but they are the same 👍
Do you recommend the C2 or C2+?
@user-ou7qx5hm5q There's no C2, only the C1 plus or C2 plus, but everyone just says C1 or C2
@peteshobbies5383 that makes sense now. Thanks Pete love your videos
Thanks, buddy, much appreciated 👍
Link to where I can get the c2 air cap please?
Hi Chase, sprayguns direct do them, they number 1 on the diagram then choose C2 cap, link below
www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/index.php/productpartsdiagram/index/viewparts/id/8610/category/7/#sthash.jUr2NFIc.dpbs
What compressor sre u using
Hi mate, I have two 90lt compressors linked, both are 14.5 cfm belt drives, so 180lts total.
I normally only have one 90lt running and it can keep up with the most guns, obviously it wouldn't power a mask as well, i use another compressor for that it needed in a separate building and just run a line in
Which cap is better to avoid orange peel
Hi buddy, the C1 is marginally better. I would say
Will the c2 cap work on the dv1 base coat gun? Ty
Hi Buddy, Yes, indeed, they are all interchangeable. It does change the pattern a little but perfectly usable 👍
@@peteshobbies5383As a hobbiest, I'm trying to determine if I can get one high performance gun to cover base and clear and still smash that clear! Thank you.
It would be very rare that a base gun or clear gun couldn't do either. Lots of people use the base version of this gun for base and clear with good results, the clear with the C1 cap is the same, good for both but a little slow for clear, but, it gives great results and most people find the C1 setup gives the flattest results if that what you are after 👍
Where did you purchase the c2 cap?
Hi Buddy, there are a few places, one of them is here,
spsupplies.co.uk/product/devilbiss-dv1-100-c2-hvlp-air-cap-kit-704435/
Can i use dv1 b Air cap for clear coat
If it's the B+ cap it's quite good for clear, if it's the B cap it would be more of a challenge
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks
No worries 👍
The faster the clear gun the fatter and cheesier the texture from my experience
From the video the C1 looks like it lays down the clear much flatter than the C2
Nice work, both finishes look excellent
Hi Mate. It's close really, if a flat finish is your main priority then the C1 with a 1.2 is the best, however it makes it rather slow, fine if you don't mind that, it's a bit like the TE20 & T110 caps on the Pro Lites, the T110 is a little flatter and best with a 1.2 but it's slow compared to the TE20 1.3 combo, i prefer the faster combo's and if you need to polish anyway it doesn't matter really