If yall plan on copping this tomorrow or getting the $10 upgrade I definitely think yall will have some fun with this mode. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW THEY DID MY MANS TOMMY & JOEL THOUGH 😭😭😭
I really wish we could have had a Tommy DLC showing what he did during the 3 days in Seattle. This is still really cool being able to play as him in this mode
I told a friend TLOU3 should be a Tommy and Joel backstory from Sarah's death till meeting Ellie. There is so much to work with in that time period, story wise but it will allow fans to play as Joel again. We could see an even darker side to both these characters..
@@garethreid47man just make the last of us part 3 basically having Ellie waking up to a nightmare which is the last of us part 2 fuck it I'll take that ending.
We really do need a Joel/Tommy prequel game. People would eat that shit up. Shit, even give just Tommy his own game and people would love it. Make it a spinoff, I don’t care. Just make it happen. Lol.
Do you really want a prequel explaining how much joel is weak and impulsive and how much of a f**k up he is without the guidance of strong independent woman Tess ? I sure don't
Nah maybe a block since Joel and Tommy are older and aren't as agile as them but give them the ability to block melee attacks or do a counter at the right time to instantly kill the enemy with their own weapon.
the devs really got a personal vendetta against joel&Tommy, you mean to tell me Tommy who put the fear of god into the WLF hunting them left and right can't dodge but dina can 😂😂😂😂
It's like he said, it's for players as skilled as Tommy. I don't think they have a vendetta against him, I think they're making his gameplay even more special.
They would be way too OP otherwise. Both are tank characters after all. Joel has the best starter gear and has the best defensive stats against melee attacks.
So when every character in uncharted used Nathan drakes animations that was fine and when every character in tlou 1 used Joel's animations that was fine. But all of a sudden, tlou 2 is lazy for doing the exact same thing. Haters gonna hate
@@ItsDigidyDan Those games didn’t emphasize with individuality on characters so that doesn’t matter. But this is a mode in which characters are unique so yeah I would expect a little bit more, regardless of my nitpick I’m still enjoying the game… Oh and stop dickriding ND so hard I’ve see you commented on multiple posts defending them. Let people have valid criticism lol..
Tommy's playstyle is a lot more centered around his sniper. You have to play it from a distance at first, but whenever you clear out most of the current wave? Thats whenever you can start becoming more aggressive and push the enemy. Basically, just think how a sniper would play it out. Hope this helps someone out!
I been saying the same thing cause they made uncharted coop and the survival mode was coop so idk why they couldn’t make no return coop like it’s actually possible to do that
It seems like naughty dog has some kind of vendetta against multiplayer now, especially since they killed the last of us online. And it’s ridiculous because this new mode literally has the design and gameplay of co-op. WHERE IS IT?
While I’d like the dodge to be universal cuz it’s just more fun, they do it for them as a trade off by giving them powerful custom weapons from the start, so I get it.
@@TheGamer2323 the revolver seems better than the others out of the gate but yeah I still see what you mean. I think the sniper is fair tho. In the end of course I still wish it was a trade off for something else besides dodge.
The revolver is a one shot on grounded against humans and runners/stalkers from what I've seen of the terrible gameplay going around the internet these last 2 days, so I'd say the revolver is a pretty special weapon since you can hoard ammo for it early and go stealth with shivs (up to 6 if you upgrade it first). People don't know how to play this game mode yet because most are casuals.
No dodge for Joel and Tommy is some hateful ish; done on purpose to twist the knife that’s already in the back of factions players. I say that based on the comment section of Naughty Dog’s posts on Twitter I’ve read since TLOU2 dropped on 2020. It’s like they associate TLOU2 hate with factions players.
I’m glad you share the same love I have for Tommy as well. The MVP of part 2. The idiots saying it wouldnt make sense to dodge, when they can literally prone… and that wasn’t in part 1
Bruh that is just pre-production ideas, it was never meant to be in the game. Also in those early builds Joel as a 30 year old, not 50 like in the final game
@@Indigo_1001 That's no excuse. That explaination was never there for the final game as i presumed ND removing dodge in the very first game was a compromise of the ps3's hardware limitations. He's not an 80 something geriatric. It's hard to buy that "He's old" shtick when he's able to outrun a hoard of infected and a humvee.
I've seen better balancing attempts from an elephant trying to stand on one leg. Its dumb to have literally every other character able to dodge aside from the 20 year + apocalypse experienced men thatve fought the military, outran hordes and literally won most if not every one of their physical altercations. Let me put in terms for you if you wanna think others are going deep I will; what sounds more likely if you rush a 20 year + combat experienced veteran hmm? Does him dodging and winning sound more likely or does the veteran standing there and taking the possible death make more sense @@ItsDigidyDan
I don't know if they did this already but they could have you prestige a character and then unlock their traits for everyone. Would add more replayability.
Welcome to 2024 where they make one of the lead Women butch af. They must have known that everyone was looking forward to play as Tommy and Joel and then nerf them to oblivion.
Joel and Tommy are the best characters in this game. Joel gets murked the first 10 mins of the game, Tommy gets partially blinded and crippled by the end. Then we can finally play as the best characters in No Return mode, but they get a ridiculous nerf. No dodging is ridiculous in this game, especially ridiculous when there is no physical reason why either characters couldn't dodge. Why does Neil hate Tommy and Joel, lol? Part three is probably going to be about Ellies redemption arc and finding peace, but we desperately need a game on focusing on the brothers. Playing as Joel and Tommy during the collapse would he amazing, especially if it was co-op. Traveling from Austin to Boston, watching civilization collapse, seeing ruthless Joel and Tommy fight through bandits, government, and infected. We could see how Joel met Bill and Tess, see what drove Tommy and Joel apart, and witness what makes Tommy join the fireflies. There is so much potential, honestly, a lot more interesting to me than picking Ellie or Abby's story back up.
lol I don't blame some of them 😅 Last of us can be a difficult game on higher difficulties, but at the same time in my opinion it's the best way to experience it
Honestly i hope they add updates to this, updates where like you can get new weapon and use the ones you see in story mode but never get to actually use and that they add new skins for characters and maybe even new modes and of course co op.
@@SteelSpurs She learn how to dodge in this one plus it's her game she's only 19 While Joel is 55 yrs old kinda makes sense his old ass can't dodge And his equipment and abilities make him at the start OP
@@SteelSpurs Joel wasn't the same man he was 5 years prior he settled down started doing wooden sculptures He's not the same man from the original game who was 50 yrs old Also a man that age can dodge yes but not as effectively as my point you can't make a argument saying he would be like a 20 yr old dodging that's not logical Plus it's a Roguelite Mode there's ALWAYS penalties that make it harder in games like this for example Returnal or Hades Also hasnt stop me from completing a run with Joel or Tommy on higher difficulties either There honestly the easiest compared to the other characters
I failed all runs on this mode until i got to Tommy. I don't know, but it is something about him that fits my playstyle, and he can be quite brutal in melee combat if you play a bit aggressively. He can take a bit of hits before going down and doesn't seem to flinch much when getting hit. You kinda have to play him and Joel like it is TLOU1. Keeping a distance, go in for the melee hits, then retreat.
Jus make it so Joel can dodge but make the dodge slower so you have to time it better and also make him grunt a bit to show him being a bit older than the rest of the characters
The story for this game is still disappointing imagine if Ellies blood being immune to infection still mattered, they could have had uncharted 2 levels of writing with a villian like Lazarovich who's part of the WLF group but wants Ellies blood because he believes it will make him immune to infection but sells the idea to the WLFs that it will make every one in the group immune but are in conflict with the Seraphites over territory with the Seraphites finding out Ellies blood is immune as well and wanting to sacrifice her because they believe they can reach some kind of divine immunity with the infected through her blood which would have put Ellie and Joel at odds with these groups thus leaving joel to sacrifice him self to save Ellie which would lead Ellie to inact revenge on said group that killed joel while also protecting her immunity from being exploited, its not a perfect spin but I think this would have been a better story then what was given.
Dawg this ls wayyyy better then what we got, this legit sounds like a zombie apocalypse veriosn of uncharted 2, they shoulda never let neil behind the writing team😂😭
I'm not saying its great but its consistent with the plot from the 1st game remember Ellie being immune was a huge deal so its odd it wasn't as important in the squeal just because the fireflies failed doesn't mean others should stop searching for a "cure" this could have been part of the WLFs motives which would have lead into the Abby and Ellie conflict anyway just not with Abby being the main antagonist. @GxCrEaTiioNz
@GxCrEaTiioNzme when I lie to myself lmfaooo. This plot is INFINITELY better than cuckmaams plot. Do you know what stakes are? Because this fan made plot has those. Cuckmaams plot has ZERO stakes. in TLoU 2013, Ellies immunity was the DRIVING force for the entire plot and that was all freaking wasted and thrown away for the shit plot cuckmaam forced out his ass. this fan made plot would've actually been deserving of the "Part 2" title. The one cuckmaam gave is was disconnected and disjointed mess that 90% of the plot had NOTHING to do with any plot point or aspects of the first game. Plz get up off your knees for cuckmaam amd acknowledge good writing when you see it. Illiterate casual lmao
This doesn't change much aside from the reason Joel is killed tho. Also they wouldn't be able to show both sides of the same coin if they went with that kind of revenge story. It would be another "i hunt the killers of my loved one and i kill them at the end" type of story. I know the story we got is very much controversial but i still prefer that they went with something different from what we're used to.
I never played the 2nd one because of how bad they did Joel. Was kind of traumatic for me... couldn't get past it, and didn't want to be forced to play as the character that killed him.
Yeah I just am convinced Neil Druckman hated him or something because there is no way you have that cool of a character and have him die that terrible of a death
@@Jon_Snow_88 that cool character who doomed the entire world to a zombie apocalypse. I love Joel as a character but damn some of you glorify the guy way too much. Joel probably deserved to die.
@@fayahmad9063 Most would do the same sure. But there are always consequences when you kill so many people and you must accept them whether you like it or not.
MAN STOP lmaooo. They can't do anything the others can't do. Only different weapons. Hands down abby is the best from what I seen. She literally can heal herself from melee attacks
Still, it fucking sucks and makes zero sense. Universal dodge should be a toggleable option. They are literally the main and most loved characters. Of course we wanna play as them.
@@TheGamer2323 I haven’t played it the remastered yet. But I would start on the highest difficulty then realize I ain’t built like that lol then play on the second highest
Yeah like you said one of my only complaints about part 1 remake was they didn’t add the dodge mechanic and now it’s here and they don’t give it to Joel or Tommy. From what I can see it’s only because they’re older. I don’t care it’s not logical to let themselves get hit. I think they’re trying to have the more badass characters (imo) difficult to play on purpose for a higher skill gap that’s why I don’t see it changing
Exactly... it's just that, no matter how old you are, i think if you're at least under 65 years old, you'd probably wanna dodge an axe coming at you with full speed.
I Fr hope this mode ain’t literally left behind after the release tonight🤦🏾♂️ would love to see more maps,guns, and just overall more content for No Return
I don’t mind if Joel and Tommy can’t dodge but only if I can reduce the enemy’s accuracy if not then it’s a problem for me and coop could’ve definitely worked like uncharted 4 survival mode coop was fun so idk why they couldn’t make no return mode have coop
@@chadwurth ik what you was talking about dude watch your mouth and I want to reduce it because it be bullshi that they can still hit me when I’m dodging it’s like they have aimbot
@@AidenAndCraneGOATs That's what lowering the difficulty/accessibility settings is for, making the game easier for bozo the 🤡s such as yourself. I don't want piss easy games to play because scrubs like you won't get gud.
Woke femininity ruined one of the best characters in video game history. They could’ve made it so every character has a weakness but nope. They had to pull a Abby: Strengths - everything Weaknesses -none She heals with every punch for a Gods sake. If they really wanted to take dodging away from Joel and Tommy, at least let us block so we don’t die from getting cornered or fighting more than one dude
With Joel and Tommy they probably should’ve substituted the dodge with a block or parry system. Personally I think it would look weird seeing Joel dodge but he could counter in the first game when prompted so it could’ve worked here. Although Joel doesn’t get interrupted during melee because of his “Unstoppable” play style. Him and Tommy are tanks for melee damage so I suppose it evens out. Just feels weird not to dodge.
@@TheGamer2323yeah the damage negation is like 15 percent less than other characters from melee hits only and you’re supposed to be uninterrupted when melee but if you get hit first it’s kind of wraps. They really could of have them dodge considering the reused animations and then going dive prone so it ain’t they knees that are fucked up. Balancing be kinda weird but hey at least they gave them op customized weapons as the “trade off”. At least we ain’t like manny who can’t even craft med kits lol
that revolver is not 1 shot to the body most times on moderate difficulty and higher and it's not like you can just pick up a sniper and start beasting with it lol. You need to aim@@alpha_1198
@@TheGamer2323 Revolver is a 1 shot to runners* I myself have played tommy for about 5 hours previously and I have to say he is very strong. Sure the dodge problem can get you into some sticky situations but the rifle is my favorite weapon in all of the last of us. It shoots very quickly and I had multiple encounters where I hit an enemy in the torso and get 2 kills. If you use it trust me you will see how balanced and fun Tommy is. On the other hand they did do Joel kinda dirty. I think he should have his good ol pump and the revolver which would reflect how Joel plays in the first game more accurately.
@@TheGamer2323 Gotta say it‘s kinda weird how many people you see getting pissed at the fact that Tommy and Joel can’t dodge. Everyone loves the first game where Joel couldn’t dodge. Neither could he go prone so actually we just got a slight update to his moveset
Yeah, they need to update and give them a dodge, maybe make them have another weakness. Edit: He should have no reaction to melee and always have superiority in Melee exchanges Edit2: Or a block! that if timed right stuns the attacker!
I CANNOT WAIT.... for TLOU3 to drop. It is going to be mayhem on the internet. People will war. TLOU2 and 3 are crutching hard off the first game and Bruce Straley
Tommy I can understand a little and Joel is his older brother so it makes sense and it’s nice to be able to play with them but the no dodge frl be a killer the modes hard enough
I'm just sitting here wondering why all the resources from this mode didn't get used for a PvP multiplayer instead? They could have took a golf club to this mode and just released a multiplayer with like 6 maps based on the campaign and this mode.
Man. They missed out on Tommy’s background. He’s a firefly veteran which we know they got that nice merch on hand and battle knowledge. I was expecting Tommy to be really aggressive due to his firefly training but it just looks like a Joel clone.
Thankfully, I don’t have to pay that much because I bought the game when it first came out back in 2020. So I could get the upgrade for just $10. But for $10 just for an graphical enhancement for PlayStation 5 is a no go for me. Upon the release of the second game I played the first game and I loved it. After that I went into the second game and Man I came out there, so bummed out. It’s just one of those games that I just pretend it doesn’t exist that the first one is just the only one we got.
its a graphical enhancement, this mode, the lost levels campaign stages, guitar free play, behind the scenes doc of this game, and full dual sense support to be specific. To be clear I don't blame ANY SUCKA for not wanting to buy this game with how naughty dog has been lately. But it's clear they put more effort into this remaster than that tlou 1 remake they did to be fair 😂
They made Joel and Tommy weak but ABBYZILLA gets dodge and health on Kill which should have been Joel’s traits. F naughty dog they ain’t getting my 10 bucks gonna keep playing RE4 mercenaries
Can't wait for this version of the game to come to PC so modders can let Joel and Tommy can dodge since they all share abby's animations. Or hell, port Joel's animations to part 2
Why did they kill off Joel… ugh. No way they’re gonna kill off Pedro in season 2. No way. Show is over after that. Latino Tommy is cool but nah no way.
And none of the character match ups (for duo runs) I assume allow for Ellie and Joel to work together? Because, you know, since we couldn't have THAT in the main story, would've been nice to at least see Part 2 versions of Ellie and Joel interact in No Return. What a missed opportunity, if that's not a thing. I don't have a PS5, so I can't play myself. No idea if that's even possible. But if it's not -- missed opportunity.
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If yall plan on copping this tomorrow or getting the $10 upgrade I definitely think yall will have some fun with this mode. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW THEY DID MY MANS TOMMY & JOEL THOUGH 😭😭😭
thank you for showing me that joel cant dodge... i was about to buy the upgrade but when i saw this, NO WAY
Neil Cuckman just can’t help himself. Naught Dog’s new IP will be filled with this same BS too.
@@BrokeAssassinjust because he can't dodge fr
He can't dodge in the original didn't stop my enjoyment
THAT'S NEIL CUCKMAN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
@@chriscollins3225 You got a great point there if @BrokeAssassin liked the first game‘s comabt then he will feal right at home when playing no return
Neil know if Joel and Tommy could dodge nobody would be touching the other characters 😭
💯💯💯
Lol yall blame everything on neil.
@edwin99901 I mean he is in charge of naughty dog... and he also admits to putting his "agenda" in his games 🤷♂️
Lies I was more excited for lev and jesse
Neil had nothing to do with this remaster.
It was a way to balance the characters but ya’ll cannot fathom seeing it that way
I really wish we could have had a Tommy DLC showing what he did during the 3 days in Seattle. This is still really cool being able to play as him in this mode
Yes i would even pay them
Excellent question,Tommy was always two steps ahead merking and chopping it up.Tommy was looking for some get back and I don't blame him.
Imagine that if we did good against abby and manny we could kill them both and the ending changed
I told a friend TLOU3 should be a Tommy and Joel backstory from Sarah's death till meeting Ellie. There is so much to work with in that time period, story wise but it will allow fans to play as Joel again. We could see an even darker side to both these characters..
@@garethreid47man just make the last of us part 3 basically having Ellie waking up to a nightmare which is the last of us part 2 fuck it I'll take that ending.
We really do need a Joel/Tommy prequel game. People would eat that shit up. Shit, even give just Tommy his own game and people would love it. Make it a spinoff, I don’t care. Just make it happen. Lol.
Just do something you know!!
Do you really want a prequel explaining how much joel is weak and impulsive and how much of a f**k up he is without the guidance of strong independent woman Tess ? I sure don't
@@kaporal890 I mean we already know he's a piece of shit. TLOU 1 tells us that. You glorify daddy Joel way to hard
@@kaporal890it’s really so brutally over for tlou fans man.
@@kaporal890what an odd take
The amount of cheap ass deaths I had because of the lack of dodging. Neil needs to let his crush on Abby go and patch in dodging
Exactly!!!
Neil has nothing to do with this mode and remaster.
@@KostanoviYes he does
@@jacobgonzalez2002 he isn't the director of the remaster smartass
Nah maybe a block since Joel and Tommy are older and aren't as agile as them but give them the ability to block melee attacks or do a counter at the right time to instantly kill the enemy with their own weapon.
the devs really got a personal vendetta against joel&Tommy, you mean to tell me Tommy who put the fear of god into the WLF hunting them left and right can't dodge but dina can 😂😂😂😂
He's still terrifying lmao most of the wlf they found that he killed were shot
It's like he said, it's for players as skilled as Tommy. I don't think they have a vendetta against him, I think they're making his gameplay even more special.
I think they are just trying to canonize why Joel couldn’t dodge in the remake because he is too old.
His rifle is great if you don't miss shots.
They would be way too OP otherwise. Both are tank characters after all. Joel has the best starter gear and has the best defensive stats against melee attacks.
ND will NEVER pass up a chance to nerf Joel now
a montage of abby’s friends dying in front of her will never not feel amazing lmaoo
lmaoooo
THANK YOU BRO. You the ONLY person I've seen play on Survivor difficulty. Really shows how good the A.I. is
I play grounded bro it’s sum else
@@solar435survivor is easy for me until you get shot once and your character cant really move also the stalkers are STRESSING.
The only thing that is lame about no return is every other character uses Ellie and Abby’s animations alongside their backpacks like what? 😭
So dumb
@@GodWarsX lazy asf
To do this to joel and tommy then give them no dodge is absolutely disrespectful
So when every character in uncharted used Nathan drakes animations that was fine and when every character in tlou 1 used Joel's animations that was fine. But all of a sudden, tlou 2 is lazy for doing the exact same thing. Haters gonna hate
@@ItsDigidyDan Those games didn’t emphasize with individuality on characters so that doesn’t matter. But this is a mode in which characters are unique so yeah I would expect a little bit more, regardless of my nitpick I’m still enjoying the game… Oh and stop dickriding ND so hard I’ve see you commented on multiple posts defending them. Let people have valid criticism lol..
If they add co-op to this game changer
the way naughty dog been lately... they ain't finna do it
@@TheGamer2323wild that U4/LL was the last time ND had MP
Uncharted trilogy no
Part II no
U4/LL remaster no
Part I no...
Tommy's playstyle is a lot more centered around his sniper. You have to play it from a distance at first, but whenever you clear out most of the current wave? Thats whenever you can start becoming more aggressive and push the enemy. Basically, just think how a sniper would play it out. Hope this helps someone out!
So they kill joel in the first 2 hours of the game and NOW HE CANT DODGE. NIEL CUCKMAN WE COMING FOR U
no in like the first 30 mins of the game
they gotta add online co-op to this mode, dude!
No likes and no comment let me fix that for you
I been saying the same thing cause they made uncharted coop and the survival mode was coop so idk why they couldn’t make no return coop like it’s actually possible to do that
100%
It seems like naughty dog has some kind of vendetta against multiplayer now, especially since they killed the last of us online. And it’s ridiculous because this new mode literally has the design and gameplay of co-op. WHERE IS IT?
While I’d like the dodge to be universal cuz it’s just more fun, they do it for them as a trade off by giving them powerful custom weapons from the start, so I get it.
I wouldn’t call Joel’s revolver a special weapon really. Tommy has a sniper yea but it’s not like a gun you can pick up and just start beasting with
@@TheGamer2323 the revolver seems better than the others out of the gate but yeah I still see what you mean. I think the sniper is fair tho. In the end of course I still wish it was a trade off for something else besides dodge.
The revolver is a one shot on grounded against humans and runners/stalkers from what I've seen of the terrible gameplay going around the internet these last 2 days, so I'd say the revolver is a pretty special weapon since you can hoard ammo for it early and go stealth with shivs (up to 6 if you upgrade it first). People don't know how to play this game mode yet because most are casuals.
@@TheGamer2323 Bro it's a 12 shot high damage revolver that thing 1 shots runners and stalkers from what I played
No dodge for Joel and Tommy is some hateful ish; done on purpose to twist the knife that’s already in the back of factions players.
I say that based on the comment section of Naughty Dog’s posts on Twitter I’ve read since TLOU2 dropped on 2020. It’s like they associate TLOU2 hate with factions players.
This man be grinding grinding yessir 🔥🔥 ima definitely cop this tomorrow Keep up the good content brother
It makes sense that Joel can’t dodge because in the story he couldn’t dodge that golf *cough* club either *cough* *cough*
think of that one yourself buddy?
Nah, you wild for this one😂
Joel should be able to dodge bro you just move the other way or jump away from where the bullet is going
Hey hey hey stop that we don’t bring that up lol
They shot his leg
I’m glad you share the same love I have for Tommy as well. The MVP of part 2. The idiots saying it wouldnt make sense to dodge, when they can literally prone… and that wasn’t in part 1
Not buying anything Naughty Dog until Neil is gone, f that man.
Never gonna happen. Naughty dog died years ago
What pisses me off is that in the earlier builds of the 1st last of us, Joel was able to dodge. There's no excuse
Bruh that is just pre-production ideas, it was never meant to be in the game.
Also in those early builds Joel as a 30 year old, not 50 like in the final game
@@Indigo_1001 That's no excuse. That explaination was never there for the final game as i presumed ND removing dodge in the very first game was a compromise of the ps3's hardware limitations. He's not an 80 something geriatric.
It's hard to buy that "He's old" shtick when he's able to outrun a hoard of infected and a humvee.
@@animebro14 it's just for balancing, it ain't that deep
@@ItsDigidyDanNo one said it’s that deep we are giving our opinions 🤦♂️
I've seen better balancing attempts from an elephant trying to stand on one leg. Its dumb to have literally every other character able to dodge aside from the 20 year + apocalypse experienced men thatve fought the military, outran hordes and literally won most if not every one of their physical altercations. Let me put in terms for you if you wanna think others are going deep I will; what sounds more likely if you rush a 20 year + combat experienced veteran hmm? Does him dodging and winning sound more likely or does the veteran standing there and taking the possible death make more sense
@@ItsDigidyDan
sitting here looking at the different locations you play in and I'm like "wouldn't this be a nice Factions 2 map" lol
😅it legit pains me to play this mode and how good tlou 2's gameplay is and think ''imagine this in factions''
@@TheGamer2323 MP with PART II gameplay would have been insane man
Tommy is HIM.
I don't know if they did this already but they could have you prestige a character and then unlock their traits for everyone. Would add more replayability.
based on the success of this mode when the game drops they definitely could put in a bunch of updates to make the mode better. Only time will tell
@@TheGamer2323Hopefully they add more characters like Bill cuz if this all they have smh
@@theghostofsparta4528bill wasn’t in last of us 2
@@Adrian_37633 Don’t mean they can’t add him
@@theghostofsparta4528well idk Man I guess you can shake your head cause they’re probably not gonna add him.
17:30-17:52 That Kiryu cutscene was spot on had me cracking up ☠️🤣
6:26 that’s what yu call good ai dawg. dude saw you in his peripheral vision & calmly turned to blick yo ass 😂
This video saved me $10, shoutout.
and btw... this don't touch RE4R mercenaries, we move.
man edited this 30 minutes later to add in re4 mercenaries dig. RENT FREE lol
Last of us 2 without this mode… on ps4 …is a billion times better than re4 …sorry to say it and i like re4
@TheGamer2323 I can't come back to finish the video? And am I lying?
@Adrian-nr5ni "Last of us 2 without this mode".
You're having a different conversation bud. Mercenaries clears No Return, factual.
@@Adrian_37633got to hard disagree with that one.
THE LAST OF US BROO! 🔥🔥 (Insert pig laugh) 😭
YEEEEEEYAYYYYHAHAHAHAHAAA🐖
them hype days are long gone buddy 😭
@@TheGamer2323nah sucka, we need him back, that’s who we all waiting on!! 😅😂😂
@@TheGamer2323Neil doing this franchise dirty smh 🥲
Welcome to 2024 where they make one of the lead Women butch af. They must have known that everyone was looking forward to play as Tommy and Joel and then nerf them to oblivion.
Naughty Dog finna make a TLOU 2 Remaster for the PS6 too what's next😂
Already In development lol
Then TLOU part 1 remastered
The last of us remake expanded and enhanced coming to ps6 2028!😂
@@MrRAGE22 facts lol and the no return mode sold separately
Joel and Tommy are the best characters in this game. Joel gets murked the first 10 mins of the game, Tommy gets partially blinded and crippled by the end. Then we can finally play as the best characters in No Return mode, but they get a ridiculous nerf. No dodging is ridiculous in this game, especially ridiculous when there is no physical reason why either characters couldn't dodge. Why does Neil hate Tommy and Joel, lol? Part three is probably going to be about Ellies redemption arc and finding peace, but we desperately need a game on focusing on the brothers. Playing as Joel and Tommy during the collapse would he amazing, especially if it was co-op. Traveling from Austin to Boston, watching civilization collapse, seeing ruthless Joel and Tommy fight through bandits, government, and infected. We could see how Joel met Bill and Tess, see what drove Tommy and Joel apart, and witness what makes Tommy join the fireflies. There is so much potential, honestly, a lot more interesting to me than picking Ellie or Abby's story back up.
Thank you for playing on a higher difficulty than 99% of youtubers 🤣. Last of us is too easy on Normal, it lost the survival element.
LITERALLY
Hard is the perfect difficulty for ND games
FACTS. I literally cannot fathom playing this game on anything under Hard. It’s a survival game! Earn that run completion dammit! SURVIVE
@@1297skypred"play the game how I want"
lol I don't blame some of them 😅 Last of us can be a difficult game on higher difficulties, but at the same time in my opinion it's the best way to experience it
… can’t dodge lmaoo? That makes no fucking sense
They legit copied Abby animations and put them on Joel and ain't even give him a dodge, at least let him be able to block attacks...
and on top of that abby can heal on melee attacks. Joel aint got NOTHING like that. Nobody does. She's the best in the game imo
Honestly i hope they add updates to this, updates where like you can get new weapon and use the ones you see in story mode but never get to actually use and that they add new skins for characters and maybe even new modes and of course co op.
They couldn't dodge in the original game this didn't stop my enjoyment
Only against Melee weapons, but seems like they can't do that in this either.
Neither could Ellie, but she’s dodging all over the place in this game.
@@SteelSpurs She learn how to dodge in this one plus it's her game she's only 19
While Joel is 55 yrs old kinda makes sense his old ass can't dodge
And his equipment and abilities make him at the start OP
@chriscollins3225 Joel wasn’t a geriatric. 55 year olds can still dodge. And let's not pretend it wasn't Joel who taught her how to dodge.
@@SteelSpurs Joel wasn't the same man he was 5 years prior he settled down started doing wooden sculptures
He's not the same man from the original game who was 50 yrs old
Also a man that age can dodge yes but not as effectively as my point you can't make a argument saying he would be like a 20 yr old dodging that's not logical
Plus it's a Roguelite Mode there's ALWAYS penalties that make it harder in games like this for example Returnal or Hades
Also hasnt stop me from completing a run with Joel or Tommy on higher difficulties either
There honestly the easiest compared to the other characters
Tommy did not go across the country not being able to dodge I promise you 😭🙏🏽
😂😂 no he did not
If they can’t dodge then they should’ve added the ability for them to shove enemies
I failed all runs on this mode until i got to Tommy. I don't know, but it is something about him that fits my playstyle, and he can be quite brutal in melee combat if you play a bit aggressively. He can take a bit of hits before going down and doesn't seem to flinch much when getting hit.
You kinda have to play him and Joel like it is TLOU1. Keeping a distance, go in for the melee hits, then retreat.
Yea I completed a Joel run the other day on survivor difficulty. You just can’t make as many mistakes with them lol
Jus make it so Joel can dodge but make the dodge slower so you have to time it better and also make him grunt a bit to show him being a bit older than the rest of the characters
The story for this game is still disappointing imagine if Ellies blood being immune to infection still mattered, they could have had uncharted 2 levels of writing with a villian like Lazarovich who's part of the WLF group but wants Ellies blood because he believes it will make him immune to infection but sells the idea to the WLFs that it will make every one in the group immune but are in conflict with the Seraphites over territory with the Seraphites finding out Ellies blood is immune as well and wanting to sacrifice her because they believe they can reach some kind of divine immunity with the infected through her blood which would have put Ellie and Joel at odds with these groups thus leaving joel to sacrifice him self to save Ellie which would lead Ellie to inact revenge on said group that killed joel while also protecting her immunity from being exploited, its not a perfect spin but I think this would have been a better story then what was given.
Dawg this ls wayyyy better then what we got, this legit sounds like a zombie apocalypse veriosn of uncharted 2, they shoulda never let neil behind the writing team😂😭
This is S tier writing right here.
I'm not saying its great but its consistent with the plot from the 1st game remember Ellie being immune was a huge deal so its odd it wasn't as important in the squeal just because the fireflies failed doesn't mean others should stop searching for a "cure" this could have been part of the WLFs motives which would have lead into the Abby and Ellie conflict anyway just not with Abby being the main antagonist. @GxCrEaTiioNz
@GxCrEaTiioNzme when I lie to myself lmfaooo. This plot is INFINITELY better than cuckmaams plot. Do you know what stakes are? Because this fan made plot has those. Cuckmaams plot has ZERO stakes. in TLoU 2013, Ellies immunity was the DRIVING force for the entire plot and that was all freaking wasted and thrown away for the shit plot cuckmaam forced out his ass. this fan made plot would've actually been deserving of the "Part 2" title. The one cuckmaam gave is was disconnected and disjointed mess that 90% of the plot had NOTHING to do with any plot point or aspects of the first game. Plz get up off your knees for cuckmaam amd acknowledge good writing when you see it. Illiterate casual lmao
This doesn't change much aside from the reason Joel is killed tho. Also they wouldn't be able to show both sides of the same coin if they went with that kind of revenge story. It would be another "i hunt the killers of my loved one and i kill them at the end" type of story. I know the story we got is very much controversial but i still prefer that they went with something different from what we're used to.
Despite no dodge Joel is still lethal
i actually enjoy the lack of a dodge mechanic for tommy. it forces you to play differently, which caters to his sniper playstyle
Tommy should've been playable in main game not Abby.
I heard Joel is getting TLOU2 treatment again 🗣️🔥
It would be smart as hell if they made it so in Custom Runs you can make it so they can dodge
Exactly.
I never played the 2nd one because of how bad they did Joel. Was kind of traumatic for me... couldn't get past it, and didn't want to be forced to play as the character that killed him.
Yeah I just am convinced Neil Druckman hated him or something because there is no way you have that cool of a character and have him die that terrible of a death
True.
@@Jon_Snow_88 that cool character who doomed the entire world to a zombie apocalypse. I love Joel as a character but damn some of you glorify the guy way too much. Joel probably deserved to die.
@@ItsDigidyDanso you’d let them murder your daughter without her consent? Any father would do what Joel did no matter if there was a cure or not
@@fayahmad9063 Most would do the same sure. But there are always consequences when you kill so many people and you must accept them whether you like it or not.
Thegoat2323 😎🐐
Joel and Tommy would be too OP if they could dodge. I’m still hyped to try it. Been playing RE4 Mercenaries this week to get ready.
MAN STOP lmaooo. They can't do anything the others can't do. Only different weapons. Hands down abby is the best from what I seen. She literally can heal herself from melee attacks
Still, it fucking sucks and makes zero sense. Universal dodge should be a toggleable option. They are literally the main and most loved characters. Of course we wanna play as them.
It would've been dope getting a DLC for Tommy to see what happened through his perspective 👊🏿
song at the start is called looming dread and is from re2r
Really enjoyed this video! Hope theirs more to come!
appreciate it. what you think about the mode if you played it?
@@TheGamer2323 I haven’t played it the remastered yet. But I would start on the highest difficulty then realize I ain’t built like that lol then play on the second highest
Noel is so petty, with the white men can’t dodge.
Yeah, I'm not buying this game again. Y'all enjoy though
I don't blame you lol. I'd cop the $10 upgrade if I wanted to though. Only for this mode right here
@@TheGamer2323 yeah this mode looks fun though not gonna lie
Tommy needed his 1911 rather than the military pistol. He had one when he was comforting ellie after murdering mel
Yeah like you said one of my only complaints about part 1 remake was they didn’t add the dodge mechanic and now it’s here and they don’t give it to Joel or Tommy. From what I can see it’s only because they’re older. I don’t care it’s not logical to let themselves get hit. I think they’re trying to have the more badass characters (imo) difficult to play on purpose for a higher skill gap that’s why I don’t see it changing
Exactly... it's just that, no matter how old you are, i think if you're at least under 65 years old, you'd probably wanna dodge an axe coming at you with full speed.
We need that Xbox "showcase" reaction brotha. Avowed lookin like Fisher Price.
yo I just came across ur channel good stuff lmao, been awhile since I've laughed OUT LOUD with the creator I'm watching
I Fr hope this mode ain’t literally left behind after the release tonight🤦🏾♂️ would love to see more maps,guns, and just overall more content for No Return
I hope so too. Only time will tell with this mode
"Left behind" 😶
They should’ve gave them parry’s, that would’ve made more sense as a unique trait…
I don’t mind if Joel and Tommy can’t dodge but only if I can reduce the enemy’s accuracy if not then it’s a problem for me and coop could’ve definitely worked like uncharted 4 survival mode coop was fun so idk why they couldn’t make no return mode have coop
@@chadwurth no it’s not a trash idea why would you say that
@@chadwurth ik what you was talking about dude watch your mouth and I want to reduce it because it be bullshi that they can still hit me when I’m dodging it’s like they have aimbot
@@AidenAndCraneGOATs That's what lowering the difficulty/accessibility settings is for, making the game easier for bozo the 🤡s such as yourself. I don't want piss easy games to play because scrubs like you won't get gud.
Still, it fucking sucks and makes zero sense. Universal dodge should be a toggleable option.
Trash work fromNaughty Dog putting Abbys animations to Joel instead of importing them from part 1, laaaazy work
Of course they did. Naughty Dog aint the same company anymore. Everything we loved is gone.
I just noticed something. Owen is the only character that is not in the no return mode of the game.
Yeah like who the fuck wanted Mel? Lol
Woke femininity ruined one of the best characters in video game history. They could’ve made it so every character has a weakness but nope. They had to pull a
Abby:
Strengths - everything
Weaknesses -none
She heals with every punch for a Gods sake. If they really wanted to take dodging away from Joel and Tommy, at least let us block so we don’t die from getting cornered or fighting more than one dude
It reminds me of how rockstar made john marston unable to swim in rdr2 just because he wasnt able to in rd1.
Yeah this game mode was made specially for you. TLOU2 GOATED
With Joel and Tommy they probably should’ve substituted the dodge with a block or parry system.
Personally I think it would look weird seeing Joel dodge but he could counter in the first game when prompted so it could’ve worked here.
Although Joel doesn’t get interrupted during melee because of his “Unstoppable” play style. Him and Tommy are tanks for melee damage so I suppose it evens out. Just feels weird not to dodge.
I'd be down for that. They need something though lol. It's hard to play a tlou 1 style of play in this game. It don't work the same lol
@@TheGamer2323yeah the damage negation is like 15 percent less than other characters from melee hits only and you’re supposed to be uninterrupted when melee but if you get hit first it’s kind of wraps. They really could of have them dodge considering the reused animations and then going dive prone so it ain’t they knees that are fucked up. Balancing be kinda weird but hey at least they gave them op customized weapons as the “trade off”. At least we ain’t like manny who can’t even craft med kits lol
Besides the absolute stupid decision of not moving your fucking body you gotta admit these two got some fucking hands my God
If they take out the dodge mecanic replace it with something else like I don’t know blocking or parrying
We need a pc version to mod in a dodge
I really love that the two of them can't dodge, it makes them more unique characters and they have very op special weapons.
tommy has a sniper and joel has a revolver. I wouldnt call them op weapons lol.
@@TheGamer2323 Revolver that 1 shots *runners to the body? Huh? Sniper that can kill 2 enemies in 1 shot? Huh?
that revolver is not 1 shot to the body most times on moderate difficulty and higher and it's not like you can just pick up a sniper and start beasting with it lol. You need to aim@@alpha_1198
@@TheGamer2323 Revolver is a 1 shot to runners* I myself have played tommy for about 5 hours previously and I have to say he is very strong. Sure the dodge problem can get you into some sticky situations but the rifle is my favorite weapon in all of the last of us. It shoots very quickly and I had multiple encounters where I hit an enemy in the torso and get 2 kills. If you use it trust me you will see how balanced and fun Tommy is. On the other hand they did do Joel kinda dirty. I think he should have his good ol pump and the revolver which would reflect how Joel plays in the first game more accurately.
@@TheGamer2323 Gotta say it‘s kinda weird how many people you see getting pissed at the fact that Tommy and Joel can’t dodge. Everyone loves the first game where Joel couldn’t dodge. Neither could he go prone so actually we just got a slight update to his moveset
Yeah, they need to update and give them a dodge, maybe make them have another weakness.
Edit: He should have no reaction to melee and always have superiority in Melee exchanges
Edit2: Or a block! that if timed right stuns the attacker!
You got that re2 remake hunk theme. Shoutout to hunk
Whatchu know bout dat boy hunk? 😎
He is a sniper, its normal not do with him close combat events
I CANNOT WAIT.... for TLOU3 to drop. It is going to be mayhem on the internet. People will war. TLOU2 and 3 are crutching hard off the first game and Bruce Straley
Tommy I can understand a little and Joel is his older brother so it makes sense and it’s nice to be able to play with them but the no dodge frl be a killer the modes hard enough
I'm just sitting here wondering why all the resources from this mode didn't get used for a PvP multiplayer instead?
They could have took a golf club to this mode and just released a multiplayer with like 6 maps based on the campaign and this mode.
Dude dlc for tommys 3 days would be so goated I know it
Man. They missed out on Tommy’s background. He’s a firefly veteran which we know they got that nice merch on hand and battle knowledge. I was expecting Tommy to be really aggressive due to his firefly training but it just looks like a Joel clone.
Still can’t believe factions is cancelled there’s still aplha gameplay for factions 2.
Lol the fact that this is a surprise to anyone is shocking
They can’t dodge what the fuck? Why remove the only defensive mechanic that this game relies on.
EXACTLYYYYYYY!!!
I think they made this mod to see if it works or not. If it works, they'll probably make “ factions “mode later
Factions already got canned like tuna. They ain’t adding that bruh
@@TheGamer2323 i know but Maybe in the future, they will continue to build it
Thankfully, I don’t have to pay that much because I bought the game when it first came out back in 2020. So I could get the upgrade for just $10. But for $10 just for an graphical enhancement for PlayStation 5 is a no go for me. Upon the release of the second game I played the first game and I loved it. After that I went into the second game and Man I came out there, so bummed out. It’s just one of those games that I just pretend it doesn’t exist that the first one is just the only one we got.
its a graphical enhancement, this mode, the lost levels campaign stages, guitar free play, behind the scenes doc of this game, and full dual sense support to be specific. To be clear I don't blame ANY SUCKA for not wanting to buy this game with how naughty dog has been lately. But it's clear they put more effort into this remaster than that tlou 1 remake they did to be fair 😂
Holdout is a BS mode the way it’s setup. Tight quarters with all those infected? Nah bruh
They made Joel and Tommy weak but ABBYZILLA gets dodge and health on Kill which should have been Joel’s traits. F naughty dog they ain’t getting my 10 bucks gonna keep playing RE4 mercenaries
You chad bro this dlc is usseles
Can't wait for this version of the game to come to PC so modders can let Joel and Tommy can dodge since they all share abby's animations. Or hell, port Joel's animations to part 2
Strong whamen agenda ND ☝
I feel like Tommy should've had a perk where he can mess up Clickers with just his bare hands 😂
W vid been watching the vids and streams for a bit but dnt say nun man😭 but we need sum more fast food reviews tho respectfully 👀
Start talking more baby. I don’t bite 😊😂
@@TheGamer2323 bet now we wait till next stream buko
Why did they kill off Joel… ugh. No way they’re gonna kill off Pedro in season 2.
No way.
Show is over after that. Latino Tommy is cool but nah no way.
i think what i dislike about tommys gameplay more, is that the rifle isn’t nearly as OP as expected
Whats that song in the intro? I know I heard it before. Driving me crazy.
They can't dodge that means that the golf club can't miss. Andrew Ryan can understand why this is a big problem. 😅
It makes it not realistic to put in that in there. Like seriously IRL they’re expecting people not to dodge? Aight 😅
This mode 100% needs an online co-op feature.
The fact that they make u start allll the way over, makes the loss mean so much more. .and I love it. Its intense every game
Why the fuck would they make them unable to dodge?!?!? Fucking bullshit!
And none of the character match ups (for duo runs) I assume allow for Ellie and Joel to work together? Because, you know, since we couldn't have THAT in the main story, would've been nice to at least see Part 2 versions of Ellie and Joel interact in No Return.
What a missed opportunity, if that's not a thing. I don't have a PS5, so I can't play myself. No idea if that's even possible. But if it's not -- missed opportunity.