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This might not be correct so ignore me if im stupid but i think gen 1 lance alos has at one point used an areodactyl with rock slide which it did not learn in gen 1. Again im probably stupid so ingore this
2:07 So you mentioned only Aerodactyl knowing Rock Slide... But not a word about 3 Dragonites?! Each of them are under leveled, highest being 50 and if you forgot, Dragonair evolves into Dragonite at 55
@@redsnorlax1945 True, but my counter argument is that they gave Gyarados Dragon Dance and Milotic sort of a counter part of Gyarados so I think they could get away with that.
While not an illegal move, the biggest instance of cheating was in BlackWhite2. Fantina in the PWT has an Origin Forme Giratina holding a Ghost Gem instead of a Grisesious Orb
@@scrunkore a place where time dares not flow... and space contradicts itself at every turn... you shall fall before the shadows that shall destroy the gods... what? no, i'm talking about the PWT, what's a distortion world?
I’ve always thought that Lumineon should be able to learn Quiver Dance. It’s a butterfly fish, and Quiver Dance would give it a cool niche, as there are no water types that learn the move. Maybe make it more memorable too
That and access to roost and defog like it did in PLA and BDSP respectively. It would be a quiver dancer water type with reliable recovery. It can also pivot and remove hazards instead if it doesn't wanna quiver dance, such cool niches for such a forgotten mon
@@RoryTheFiendtrue I never remember him. Like I only think about him when I see him or when someone says his name. I literally never think of this pokemon out of my own toughts and I even think about relicanth and luvdisc sometimes.
The funny thing about AI Professor Turo's Iron Valiant is that it can't even be him doing the cheating. It's established at the start of the battle that he plucked each robot out of the future right before sending them out to fight the player. So maybe the Iron Valiant itself is cheating.
@@jesaea At least according to Serebii and Bulbapedia, Ampharos has NEVER had access to Tail Glow. Only Volbeat, Manaphy and gen 7 Xurkitree(though why THAT thing needed Tail Glow I'll never know).
@@RoryTheFiend Kecleon does learn Camouflage, but only on Gen 6 onwards. In Gen 3, it was the signature move of the Staryu line for some reason, but it apparently has nothing to do with the Japanese name, as the literal translation of it is also 'Camouflage'. Why did it take so long for Kecleon to learn it? Absolutely no clue
Admittedly, it won’t be doing much because right after you use it, you’ll change type again. I guess it could be used to avoid taking ghost type attack damage.
My theory on that Lanturn is that when creating this NPC's team, they cloned they Claydol, changed the species to Lanturn and then edited the moves, somehow forgetting to erase Earthquake.
1:59 In Pokémon Red/Blue, trainers are coded with little information. For example, "11, Rattata, Ekans" signifies the encounter data for a Youngster trainer with level 11 Rattata as the first Pokémon and Ekans as the second. This data is stored in a space associated with the "Youngster" category in the game. Notably, significant trainers like Lance have more detailed data, such as "58, Gyarados, 56, Dragonair, 56, Dragonair," indicating the Pokémon they possess and their levels. What's intriguing is that each gym leader has a unique move. For instance, Brock has Bide, Sabrina has Psywave, Agatha has Toxic, and Lance has Barrier. These moves replace the third move in the final Pokémon's moveset, as specified by the code. This means Agatha's final Gengar's Hypnosis is replaced with Toxic and Lance's Dragonite's Dragon Rage is replaced with Barrier. It's worth noting that the code treats this as a special move in general. Gym Leaders just happen to have a TM associated with that special move, while Lance's special movie isn't. Well, still illegal. Edit: restructured answer completly
@@Jesthor But when we think about it, what could they have given him ? There are no Dragon type moves in Gen 1, and Dragonite's physical movepool is only made of Normal type moves (he apparently doesn't learn Earthquake in this generation) You have all the elemental coverage with Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf, Thunderbolt, but honestly, all of those feel weird except maybe for Fire Blast. For me, the most logical explanation is that they wanted to give Reflect indeed, but since no Pokemon learn Reflect naturally and I don't think a lot of random trainer battles have this ability, they might have messed up with the name.
QOTD: Hypno and Drowzee, the pokemon based on dream eating baku, can not learn Dream Eater as of gen 9. Why? Because in every previous game they could only learn Dream Eater via TM. (apart from LGPE, where it was a level up move!) Since Dream Eater was removed as a TM, and you cannot transfer moves into gen 9, A Hypno with Dream Eater is completely ILLEGAL in SV! I for one, hope this historic injustice is fixed.
Honestly a lot of the changes they've made starting with Gen 8 need to be fixed. The fact that they removed so many staples of the franchise is a massive injustice in itself, and feels like they just got lazy and didn't want to code in stuff that had been there for literally decades.
@@namingisdifficult408 Yeah, getting rid of moves that nobody really used like Bide or Psywave is understandable. But getting rid of actually useful moves like Signal Beam, Return, and Feint Attack is just stupid. I mean, for crying out loud, they left SNORE in the game! Who the heck uses SNORE?!
I actually don't mind illegal movesets. In a way it makes the pokemon of that trainer feel more special, and more like in the anime where pokemon don't learn moves based on level, but I hated the rules for thee and not for the computer thing. I wanted to have illegal moves too
I love the idea of an illegal moveset for an NPC but it has lore that this trainer is just bringing out hidden potential that no one else has done before or something
@@edenengland1883B&W mentions levels explicitly or implicitly a couple of times yet I remember Trip’s Snivy having Leaf Storm or something in his first battle against Ash. Like, what is the point of talking about levels if you’re gonna do that LOL
GameFreak did shrug it off saying something along the lines of “if you got it legitimately, it’s legal” so I guess beforehand it was considered a raid-exclusive move (even if it’s obviously an error.)
I always felt like Ninetales should learn psychic. I have no real reason as to why but it feels like a pokemon that should get it. There are many pokedex entries talking about how magical and smart it is so it just makes sense to me
Yeah ninetales in general needs to learn more Psychic and Ghost moves in my opinion (also its special attack never should've been nerfed and should've stayed a clean 100 like in gen 1)
It's able to have access to extrasensory which in my mind is like one of the psychic move steps before psychic so the fact that it doesn't? Sad. My favorite pokemon is vulpix so I am extra sad about anything that can hold this line back haha
Here's one that i don't think i've seen anyone ever talk about. In Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, Team Snagem Leader Gonzap has a Skarmory with Hyper Beam. Skarmory has never been able to learn that move in any generation.
QOTD: I was upset that Zamazenta could not learn Body Press in Gen 8. Brand new Fighting-type move that used the Defense stat to attack with and the new Fighting-type legendary with a higher Defense than Attack stat. Gen 9 did fix this travesty. In Gen 9, Infernape finally gets access to Drain Punch, but Pawmot doesn't. Even though Pawmot gets Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch, Mach Punch and now Focus Punch.
I'd like to present a horribly nitpicky defense for a few of these. In instances where a Pokémon knows a move it learns via level up too early, it could have been inherited. A child inherits moves that they would learn via level up from its parents if both of the parents know the move. So Price could've bred his old L.33 Piloswine with another 'mon who knew Fury Attack, and his current one is the resulting child. Of course, that would be STUPID, but it's enough to get reasonable doubt in court.
Well according to bulbapedia you can get rock slide on machamp via transferring a gen 1 machamp, so yeah under normal circumstances rock slide on machamp is impossible but since Bruno has it and he is a gen 1 lad I can find that acceptable
I would Love to see Druddigon get Dragon Rush. Druddigon doesn't learn any Dragon type moves that benefit from its hidden ability Sheer Force and I think it would appreciate finally having one
There's also a bunch of trainers in the BDSP Battle Tower that know moves that would've been legal if not for the fact that transfering Pokemon between games in Gen 8 reset their movesets. I assume ILCA didn't know that would be the case when they were making those teams.
Tail Glow Ampharos would be pretty rad, make it happen Game Freak! Also the tech that is Skill Swapping Levitate while only having Earthquake is insane. Does she know to swap it onto Lanturn or does she really just... make her opponent immune to her only attack?
It's meant to be a double battle. You *can* fight her individually, in which Claydol will probably just spam Earthquake, but you're suppose to battle her & her partner trainer - in which her Claydol will skill swap Levitate onto her partner's pokemon, and then both of her pokemon will spam EQ while her now Levitating partner's pokemon is immune. Gym Leader Norman uses a similar strategy in his Emerald rematch team where he'd lead with a Skill Swapping Blissey and a Slaking, Blissey would Skill Swap its Natural Cure onto Slaking and Slaking's Truant onto itself, removing Slaking's negative ability. If Blissey survives the Truant turn, it'll either Skill Swap Truant onto one of your Pokemon (rare) OR will start spamming Sing to put your mons to sleep, giving Slaking time to kill you and opening opportunities for Blissey to get off Focus Punches (it also has Protect for his Spinda's Teeter Dance and his Tauros' Earthquake).
@@Goldy12378also fun fact her doubles partner trainer uses a medicham that only knows psychic for some reason, not sure why those trainers have only 1 or 2 moves per Pokémon as every other trainer has Pokémon with 4 moves each
I feel like a few of these moves that are from level up aren't actually illegal, since if I recall correctly when you breed a pokemon it can have any move in its level up pool as an egg move, allowing them to get access to moves they wouldn't learn until higher level starting at level 1/5. Though I'd have to look into each of the specific cases mentioned to see if any of these are actually applicable for this.
@@jacquespaughtI think you have causation mixed up. Breeding moves doesn’t only work if the Pokémon can learn it, the Pokémon can learn it because you can breed it with the move
@@IndexInvestingWithCole I've gotten nothing mixed up. The entire point of breeding a Pokémon's natural moves is so they have them at a lower level, for example giving Mudkip Hydro Pump fresh from an egg. It would make perfect sense to try and get Dragon Dance early on Altaria, but this cannot be done because Swablu cannot learn the move.
I just want them to change egg moves to include moves that both parents know. Instead of just moves from a small pool. This would help with event only pokemon really or pokemon that don't have the same egg moves as their children. But if they extended this to let pokemon learn any move so long as it shared the same typing as it's species I could see crazy potential for awesome move sets and interesting parent breeding chains to get the perfect moves lol. Edit: At the very least it would mean smeargle would be more valued, even if it just valued the way ditto is lol. Also we need another smeargle but that's in different egg groups for this to work
For Pokémon knowing moves too early, you can get them by breeding when both of the parents know the same level-up move. Not illegal. Unless that Pokémon can't breed.
I don't understand why they'd manually give dragonite barrier, not like it's an amazing move either, would love to know their thought process when they did that
Honestly I kinda like the boss fights of the game having moves it can't normally know (or at least has them earlier). It implies that maybe they are more experienced than the player and can pull out potential that the player can't. Makes them feel like more organic creatures than pieces of code. Plus, its basic difficulty design in RPGs to give bosses access to stuff the player can't use. It's why stuff like Ghetsis' Hydreigon is tough: because at that point in the game you cant get a Dragon that's faster than it, and its not high enough level to reasonably use one of your own to match it. That's how you make Pokemon games difficult: dont give the player access to every pokemon in the dex until the post game, it opens a nearly infinite number of combos that will trivialize even the most well thought out encounters.
2:54 Not gonna lie, I would love to see movesets of regular trainers (mosty the "elite" ones, like Ace Trainers and Veterans) listed in the same fashion as "important" trainers, if only to see stuff like this. :)
Yeah I agree! Most sites won't even tell you what the random npcs movesets are, I want all the important info! I had to delve into trainer data spread sheets and make them look as close to legit bulbapedia info card things as possible!
I still don't understand why Ninetales can't get Psychic... SO MANY POKÉMON can learn it, but NOT Ninetales! It feels like it'd fit perfectly, but Extrasensory is as close as Ninetales gets... I dunno if it'd be extremely useful competitively or anything, but I'd just like that powerful psychic type TM on it for my normal playthroughs...
Every generation I continue to be disappointed that they still haven't given Wigglytuff Moonblast. It's a Fairy type, and it evolves with the Moon Stone. By far one of the most qualified 'mons to be able to get the move.
QOTD: While it shouldn't be able to learn it normally I feel like an event Silvally with Judgement would be so cool, it finally becomes what it was made to replicate
3:28 At first I thought they made a mistake copy pasting Claydols moves to Lanturn, switching Skill Swap for Thunderbolt instead of EQ. With Skill Swap+Thunderbolt, Lanturn would continue the gimmick of giving your opponent an ability that’s immune to your own attacks. However, Lanturn doesn’t learn Skill Swap either, so my only theory is that they made a numbers error with Thunder being TM25 and EQ being TM26.
Had to stop at 2:50. Gen 3 was my favorite gen as a kid and it most definitely had the best music The nostalgia was too strong! It was literally overwhelming
Had no idea about that Lanturn, that’s so funny. But yeah, Lance is Pokémon’s resident cheater. Though I prefer to think he just knows something everyone else doesn’t! Also had no idea about Pokémon straight up having deleted moves in BDSP lmao, that’s so funny. There’s so many like completely irrelevant illegal moves like sand attack and water gun that seem pretty useless, but I imagine the case of water gun was for balancing purposes; they probably didn’t want to give it something really strong so they just said “screw it, water gun” and assumed it probably knew it lmao. Pretty interesting! Usually videos I see mentioning this topic just talk about Lance or some of the more obvious ones but I had no idea about a good bulk of these. Nice video!
I learned a lot making this video! I was honestly expecting by gen 4 or so to have all the mistakes gone, but nah some really fascinating instance and yeah gen 8 with bdsp especially has some fascinating mistakes still present today. The Mr mime with power whip when it's negative attack nature 0 IV AND 0 EVs, I wonder if something at like level 10 If it 4x resists could survive a hit Anyway I'm glad you enjoyed it!
here is something that will change a bunch of those entries back to legal: from gen 3 onwards, if you breed a pokemon and both parents share a move that the pokemon that will hach can learn via level up, it will have it right away.
To be fair for the Indeedee, *Male* Indeedee can learn Trick Room, and to my understanding, both male and female Indeedee were available via the raid. So it's likely a case of them just forgetting to reset the move list after calculating gender, since male is the default form and female is the alternate form. That being said, by giving female Indeedee access to Trick Room in order to make the affected Pokémon tradeable, they actually balanced the TM compatibilities of the two genders, so, good mistake. I wish instead they'd given female Indeedee an offensive move since she's the offensive one of her species, and male is the support - or maybe Tidy Up since she's based on a maid. But by taking one move that was male-exclusive and giving both genders access, they actually evened out the number of moves each gender could learn.
What do I want to learn for flavor? Tinkaton getting smackdown. The dex goes on about how it smacks birds out of the air with rocks, but for some reason it can't actually do that. For useability, give Yanmega quiver dance. Let the special attacking bug boost its special stats and sweep.
Another Scarlet/Violet illegal move is the 6 Star Kilowattrel raids which give it Rain Dance, perfect for the Electric/Flying type to use Thunder and Hurricane. But Kilowattrel can't learn Rain Dance and it is coded as an extra move so it doesn't appear when caught.
Coded "Extra Moves" in high star Tera Raids can be explained as the extremely intense Terastal Phenomenon not only imparting moves and abilities not normally learnable / inherent by the species, but also allowing the species to surpass limits (In this case, the 4 moveslot limit)
Wait, they deleted Return? That move is literally the most Pokémon Pokémon move. Literal tackle of friendship, you get more damage for taking better care of the Pokémon. The new games never cease to disappoint (they have good things too, I'm not saying they're absolutely trash or being a genwunner).
Yeah deleting return was very odd to me since it encourages you to raise the friendship with your pokemon, some of Game Freaks decisions are rather confusing to me tbh
@yoshiwoollyworld claydol and lanturn wouldn't be out at the same time, claydol gives the partner's medicham levitate so the claydol and lanturn can spam earthquake
Flareon+Sizzly Slide (one of the partner eevee’s moves in lgpe) cause it’s a strong physical fire move that has no recoil and always burns, wich would actually make Flareon good at things
I think the reason Return was deleted was because in gen 8 they merged Affection into Friendship. I suppose they couldn’t adjust the thresholds like they did with stuff like friendship evolutions without throwing the move’s balance out of whack. You’d either have a 102 power move at half the maximum friendship if they changed the move to work under the stat cap (the stat stops increasing at a certain point until you play with the specific Pokémon in Camp or Picnics, removing the limit and letting it increase into thresholds that give affection buffs), or you’d have a 102 power move that also had a boosted chance to crit due to affection buffs stacking. Of course this problem wouldn’t affect competitive since affection buffs are turned off in PvP, but return would be even more busted in a casual run.
This never really bothered me, because I never saw Pokemon levels as something that exist in a literal sense in-universe. They're more like a representation of the work you've done training the Pokemon, just for the sake of quantifying it. My character didn't manage to teach this Pokemon a certain move by level X, but maybe another trainer did.
QOTD - Floatzel, based off Sea Otters and whatnot, should get Stone Edge. (Basing it off the fact otters typically bang rocks on mussels to crack them open and get what’s inside.) I although thought about Stockpile givin’ Floatzels flotation sac, but thats probably reaching a bit further lol.
so about the Pokémon that learn levels early. From gen 2 or onward, that can be achieved via breeding, as a Pokémon can learn any move from its own move set as egg moves. So if we give them the benefit of the doubt, we could say that they learned it that way, unlikely though it is.
Kingdra should learn shell smash. idk, where else does it get its food from? It's probably broken some clampearls and clawnchers in its day nice call to action for engagement!
That's such an awesome suggestion, I'd love to see kingdra a top meta threat, such a cool Mon! And thanks lol I do really enjoy reading the comments and responding so thank you for your comment!
I mean, it'd be useful on Kingdra. I hate to rain on the parade, but then again it'd give Kingdra a Swift Swim so maybe I should. As a move it wouldn't make much sense. For one, Shell Smash is smashing your own shell, dropping your defenses to up your speed since you're no longer weighed down by the shell. Second Seahorses actually do eat crustaceans, but they do it by swallowing them whole and digesting them, not through smashing. Would definitely be a fun moveset though.
Joke's on you, from an event Dragonite can learn barrier so Lance's team is legal. That event was none other than "Lance's Dragonite", therefore creating Lance's paradox, Is a legal move or Lance just rewrote reality?
Some moves can be attributed to breeding as when I bred my Pokémon, they were high leveled and they offspring always had high leveled moves from the moment they were born.
Some of these are not actually illegal. A lot of what you mentioned are pokemon knowing moves before they learn them naturally: but you're forgetting about breeding. Everyone knows about egg moves and how if the father of a different species than the baby knows a move the child gets from an egg move it will pass to them dispite being a different species than the father. But, theres also another way to pass moves on with same species parents: if both parents know a level up move that the child would learn later at a high level, it will pass on to them. So it's possible (and thus perfectly legal) for a dratini, for example, to know outrage at level one.😅 So most of these are not illegal, or cheating, or hacked, or whatever: They're just using pokemon that were bred for those moves.😅
I always imagined the "illegal" evolutions and moves were something that can actually happen but it's specifically the player that doesnt do it. Like dragonite naturally evolves at level 55, but if you really wanted to you could force an early evolution but it involves being a general dick to them. Like pushing them way too hard in training or otherwise disrupting what would happen naturally to occur earlier. There was a plot point in the hoenn anime where Ash made Pikachu learn iron tail by practicing it over and over again until he mastered it instead of just using a tm, I imagine illegal moves are like that.
I would always action replay my starter Sneasels to have illegal moves, mainly Icicle Spear. Pissed off my best friend one time using Jump Kick Sneasel on his Aron lol
While this is interesting to see, I noticed this in Gen 3 some time ago, that some pokemon can learn moves way earlier if you avoid evolving it, while I haven't crossed checked which pokemon can and cannot learn certain moves earlier yet, it is something that should be taken into consideration not only that, but some pokemon can learn moves that you couldn't obtain when they were evolved but it's a trade off as it locks you out of some moves as well
Oh yeah ice punching gastly makes total sense, where are it's hands in its 3d model in games like battle revolution I want to know how that animation looks!
ay I'm glad someone liked one of the random stupid graphics I made, I don't know why that old meme popped into my head but I'm glad it did! One time I made a meme edit it legit took like 2 or 3 hours to make, only for it to be on screen for a few seconds, luckily it worked out nicely as a thumbnail so I made it that to get more value out of it!
@@RoryTheFiend of course, how could I forget? The move that is named “ice punch” definitely doesn’t imply that you’re punching your opponent with a cold hand that could chill them, that would make too much sense! You can’t have hands or can’t be ice type to use ice punch. For example, I saw a mega blaziken do it once, now *that’s* deserving.
Been playing Pokémon like it was my job for the last 20 years, have over 10000 hours across all games collectively, beaten every gen: and yet I STILL am finding new things. Never have I ever heard of the move Rock Wrecker before! Just one of the many reasons to forever love this franchise.
Give Tinkaton Close Combat and or Earthquake so it's Smack Down combo from the dex works against it's rival without being at +6. Or give it Pyro Ball and let me watch it turn what was once soccer into Hammer Baseball.
Tinkaton is such a cool Pokémon I'd love to see the little gremlin have all sorts of insane moves, pyro ball where it just bats a flaming ball at you sounds terrifying
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This might not be correct so ignore me if im stupid but i think gen 1 lance alos has at one point used an areodactyl with rock slide which it did not learn in gen 1. Again im probably stupid so ingore this
2:07 So you mentioned only Aerodactyl knowing Rock Slide... But not a word about 3 Dragonites?! Each of them are under leveled, highest being 50 and if you forgot, Dragonair evolves into Dragonite at 55
@@finnvaneekelen4966 you're correct! Except it's in gen 2 he has rock slide aerodactyl
@@TimppaFin93 correct, I did realise this but I wanted to keep the video about the movesets not under levelled party members
Lance's illegal Dragonite?
Calm mind on Milotic feel like something it should be able to learn legally tbh.
Yeah absolutely, milotic looks like the calmest Pokémon of them all, very graceful and thoughtful lol
It would've been broken in gen 3-4 but with power creep, I can totally see Calm Mind Milotic be a balanced mon
Especially since it's the opposite of Gyarados
Yea but it would be so dam broken in certain meta games
@@redsnorlax1945 True, but my counter argument is that they gave Gyarados Dragon Dance and Milotic sort of a counter part of Gyarados so I think they could get away with that.
While not an illegal move, the biggest instance of cheating was in BlackWhite2. Fantina in the PWT has an Origin Forme Giratina holding a Ghost Gem instead of a Grisesious Orb
clearly the pwt is just in the distortion world
@@scrunkore a place where time dares not flow... and space contradicts itself at every turn... you shall fall before the shadows that shall destroy the gods... what? no, i'm talking about the PWT, what's a distortion world?
Not even close, Stadium2. The AI is programmed to full on cheat in matches.
I’ve always thought that Lumineon should be able to learn Quiver Dance. It’s a butterfly fish, and Quiver Dance would give it a cool niche, as there are no water types that learn the move. Maybe make it more memorable too
That and access to roost and defog like it did in PLA and BDSP respectively. It would be a quiver dancer water type with reliable recovery. It can also pivot and remove hazards instead if it doesn't wanna quiver dance, such cool niches for such a forgotten mon
Lumineon needs something, poor fish is one of the most forgettable Pokémon imo, I'm down for quiver dance lumineon !
crazy how one nice boosting move could lift it from the depths of untiered into something like NU or even RU
Masquerain _would've_ been that water type with Quiver Dance, but someone at GameFreak decided we needed Bug/Flying type # 52341 instead.
@@RoryTheFiendtrue I never remember him. Like I only think about him when I see him or when someone says his name. I literally never think of this pokemon out of my own toughts and I even think about relicanth and luvdisc sometimes.
The funny thing about AI Professor Turo's Iron Valiant is that it can't even be him doing the cheating. It's established at the start of the battle that he plucked each robot out of the future right before sending them out to fight the player. So maybe the Iron Valiant itself is cheating.
Its iron valiants gen -1 moveset clearly
iron valiant itself just glitched out in-universe and learned the move when it shouldn't
It's okay, Paradox mons can reproduce in their natural habitat and IV learned it as an egg move
@edgargaebolg9307 theyre genderless robots, its very unlikely
@@literallygrass1328Iron Jugulis says otherwise
QOTD: I feel like Ampharos should be able to learn moves like Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon, and Solar Beam. I mean, it IS the Light Pokemon.
Now imagining mega ampharos using dazzling gleam
So just pointing it out but Ampharos CAN learn DG but can't learn FC or SB. Its in it level moveset at 51 though it just got it in SV.
Tail Glow too!
@@jesaea At least according to Serebii and Bulbapedia, Ampharos has NEVER had access to Tail Glow. Only Volbeat, Manaphy and gen 7 Xurkitree(though why THAT thing needed Tail Glow I'll never know).
@@ogre589"Um... Actually-" Shut up nerd. Get a life. They're saying "it SHOULD learn tail glow" not "It DOES Learn Tail Glow."
Fun fact: keckleon doesn't have camouflage
Nah that's wild, is the Japanese for that move something completely different? Only reason I could think of why it wouldn't learn it
@@RoryTheFiend Kecleon does learn Camouflage, but only on Gen 6 onwards. In Gen 3, it was the signature move of the Staryu line for some reason, but it apparently has nothing to do with the Japanese name, as the literal translation of it is also 'Camouflage'. Why did it take so long for Kecleon to learn it? Absolutely no clue
@@hectorthe501st staryu and starmie could've had a way cooler signature move, thanks for the info though only took game freak 10 years to sort it
Admittedly, it won’t be doing much because right after you use it, you’ll change type again. I guess it could be used to avoid taking ghost type attack damage.
My theory on that Lanturn is that when creating this NPC's team, they cloned they Claydol, changed the species to Lanturn and then edited the moves, somehow forgetting to erase Earthquake.
I can definitely see that be a possibility, very strange for sure
Ladies and gentlemen, Gamefreak!
Stuff that can only happen when your dev tools function completely differently than and ignore the in-game mechanics in a complex game
1:59
In Pokémon Red/Blue, trainers are coded with little information. For example, "11, Rattata, Ekans" signifies the encounter data for a Youngster trainer with level 11 Rattata as the first Pokémon and Ekans as the second. This data is stored in a space associated with the "Youngster" category in the game.
Notably, significant trainers like Lance have more detailed data, such as "58, Gyarados, 56, Dragonair, 56, Dragonair," indicating the Pokémon they possess and their levels.
What's intriguing is that each gym leader has a unique move. For instance, Brock has Bide, Sabrina has Psywave, Agatha has Toxic, and Lance has Barrier. These moves replace the third move in the final Pokémon's moveset, as specified by the code. This means Agatha's final Gengar's Hypnosis is replaced with Toxic and Lance's Dragonite's Dragon Rage is replaced with Barrier.
It's worth noting that the code treats this as a special move in general. Gym Leaders just happen to have a TM associated with that special move, while Lance's special movie isn't. Well, still illegal.
Edit: restructured answer completly
Oh wow I didn't know that, thanks for telling us! Now it begs the question why it's barrier of all moves
@@RoryTheFiend I know, right?! What part of "Lance", "Master of Dragons" or "Leader of the Elite 4" just screams Barrier?!
@@Jesthor bro is terrified he's playing defense
@@Jesthor But when we think about it, what could they have given him ? There are no Dragon type moves in Gen 1, and Dragonite's physical movepool is only made of Normal type moves (he apparently doesn't learn Earthquake in this generation)
You have all the elemental coverage with Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Surf, Thunderbolt, but honestly, all of those feel weird except maybe for Fire Blast.
For me, the most logical explanation is that they wanted to give Reflect indeed, but since no Pokemon learn Reflect naturally and I don't think a lot of random trainer battles have this ability, they might have messed up with the name.
At least this coding error gave us one hell of a leg up in TPP when it came to fighting Lance's Dragonite with our All-Terrain Venemoth.
QOTD: Hypno and Drowzee, the pokemon based on dream eating baku, can not learn Dream Eater as of gen 9.
Why? Because in every previous game they could only learn Dream Eater via TM. (apart from LGPE, where it was a level up move!)
Since Dream Eater was removed as a TM, and you cannot transfer moves into gen 9, A Hypno with Dream Eater is completely ILLEGAL in SV!
I for one, hope this historic injustice is fixed.
Honestly a lot of the changes they've made starting with Gen 8 need to be fixed. The fact that they removed so many staples of the franchise is a massive injustice in itself, and feels like they just got lazy and didn't want to code in stuff that had been there for literally decades.
That is odd, you'd think that they would learn dream eater via level up or something, rip
@@Gamer3427Honestly I think some level of cleanup was needed with moves. Maybe not all of the ones they got rid of, but some of them definitely.
@@namingisdifficult408 Yeah, getting rid of moves that nobody really used like Bide or Psywave is understandable. But getting rid of actually useful moves like Signal Beam, Return, and Feint Attack is just stupid. I mean, for crying out loud, they left SNORE in the game! Who the heck uses SNORE?!
How about buffing/changing those moves instead?
I actually don't mind illegal movesets. In a way it makes the pokemon of that trainer feel more special, and more like in the anime where pokemon don't learn moves based on level, but I hated the rules for thee and not for the computer thing. I wanted to have illegal moves too
I love the idea of an illegal moveset for an NPC but it has lore that this trainer is just bringing out hidden potential that no one else has done before or something
@@RoryTheFiend they could've also bred for their pokemon to have those moves
the anime establishes very early on that levels do actually exist and dictate learned moves, it is pretty weird that levels exist in the anime tho tbh
@@edenengland1883 I think it's retconned out later, since they're only mentioned like once or twice
@@edenengland1883B&W mentions levels explicitly or implicitly a couple of times yet I remember Trip’s Snivy having Leaf Storm or something in his first battle against Ash. Like, what is the point of talking about levels if you’re gonna do that LOL
Fun Fact: Female Indeedee knowing Trick Room isn't illegal anymore, as it is now able to learn the move via TM thanks to the Teal Mask update.
GameFreak did shrug it off saying something along the lines of “if you got it legitimately, it’s legal” so I guess beforehand it was considered a raid-exclusive move (even if it’s obviously an error.)
I always felt like Ninetales should learn psychic. I have no real reason as to why but it feels like a pokemon that should get it. There are many pokedex entries talking about how magical and smart it is so it just makes sense to me
Yeah ninetales in general needs to learn more Psychic and Ghost moves in my opinion (also its special attack never should've been nerfed and should've stayed a clean 100 like in gen 1)
It's able to have access to extrasensory which in my mind is like one of the psychic move steps before psychic so the fact that it doesn't? Sad.
My favorite pokemon is vulpix so I am extra sad about anything that can hold this line back haha
1:00 Too many to list but the most baffling is Gasty line being unable to learn Poison Gas AKA the very thing they’re made on
Here's one that i don't think i've seen anyone ever talk about. In Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, Team Snagem Leader Gonzap has a Skarmory with Hyper Beam. Skarmory has never been able to learn that move in any generation.
I love the fact that in GSC, Lance has 3 underleveled Dragonites on his team. He needs a longer sentence 💀
Stripped of his Elite 4 rank.
Lance was a fraud all along.
He probably found them in the wild, that can happen rarely I think, but I could be mistaken.
@@hitkid2456 Funny way to spell death sentence.
Not only that, but his level 50 dragonite already knows outrage, which is also illegal. That and his aerodactyl knowing rock slide really annoyed me.
QOTD: I was upset that Zamazenta could not learn Body Press in Gen 8. Brand new Fighting-type move that used the Defense stat to attack with and the new Fighting-type legendary with a higher Defense than Attack stat. Gen 9 did fix this travesty.
In Gen 9, Infernape finally gets access to Drain Punch, but Pawmot doesn't. Even though Pawmot gets Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch, Mach Punch and now Focus Punch.
I'd like to present a horribly nitpicky defense for a few of these.
In instances where a Pokémon knows a move it learns via level up too early, it could have been inherited.
A child inherits moves that they would learn via level up from its parents if both of the parents know the move.
So Price could've bred his old L.33 Piloswine with another 'mon who knew Fury Attack, and his current one is the resulting child.
Of course, that would be STUPID, but it's enough to get reasonable doubt in court.
Something I also noticed that in Gen 2 Bruno has a Machamp with Rock Slide, despite the fact that Machamp can't learn Rock Slide in Gen 2.
Well according to bulbapedia you can get rock slide on machamp via transferring a gen 1 machamp, so yeah under normal circumstances rock slide on machamp is impossible but since Bruno has it and he is a gen 1 lad I can find that acceptable
Is rock slide not a tm in general 1?
The funniest case of "looks hacked but isn't" is Battle Chateauline Evelyn and her Entei with Sacred Fire. Which before XY was only on Ho-Oh.
I would Love to see Druddigon get Dragon Rush. Druddigon doesn't learn any Dragon type moves that benefit from its hidden ability Sheer Force and I think it would appreciate finally having one
Bold to assume it's coming back any time soon. King of the forgettable club
@@1stCallipostlethat's venomoth.
@@THE_TOAST Venomoth is actually cool.
I mean does it stand out from all the other moths that click quiver and hope to not die? No. But it's just neat
There's also a bunch of trainers in the BDSP Battle Tower that know moves that would've been legal if not for the fact that transfering Pokemon between games in Gen 8 reset their movesets. I assume ILCA didn't know that would be the case when they were making those teams.
Yeah I assume ILCA were pretty rushed making the game, rip
Move resetting is stupid
Tail Glow Ampharos would be pretty rad, make it happen Game Freak! Also the tech that is Skill Swapping Levitate while only having Earthquake is insane. Does she know to swap it onto Lanturn or does she really just... make her opponent immune to her only attack?
It's meant to be a double battle. You *can* fight her individually, in which Claydol will probably just spam Earthquake, but you're suppose to battle her & her partner trainer - in which her Claydol will skill swap Levitate onto her partner's pokemon, and then both of her pokemon will spam EQ while her now Levitating partner's pokemon is immune.
Gym Leader Norman uses a similar strategy in his Emerald rematch team where he'd lead with a Skill Swapping Blissey and a Slaking, Blissey would Skill Swap its Natural Cure onto Slaking and Slaking's Truant onto itself, removing Slaking's negative ability. If Blissey survives the Truant turn, it'll either Skill Swap Truant onto one of your Pokemon (rare) OR will start spamming Sing to put your mons to sleep, giving Slaking time to kill you and opening opportunities for Blissey to get off Focus Punches (it also has Protect for his Spinda's Teeter Dance and his Tauros' Earthquake).
@@jaernihiltheus7817 wow that's really cool! I wasn't sure if gen 3 ai was smart enough to do that yet, that's so neat :0
@@Goldy12378also fun fact her doubles partner trainer uses a medicham that only knows psychic for some reason, not sure why those trainers have only 1 or 2 moves per Pokémon as every other trainer has Pokémon with 4 moves each
@@jaernihiltheus7817I love that the Devs would experiment with fun and different strategies, totally think it works for additional content rematches
@@RoryTheFiend Murkrow goes crazy into that pair 😭
I enjoy the different video format. Definitely adds a bit of variety to the channel, and I think it’s a good idea on top of the teams videos.
Appreciate the support you've given me dark side, hope I can keep providing good vids in the future! (Fixing kanto elite 4 is probably my next video!)
I feel like a few of these moves that are from level up aren't actually illegal, since if I recall correctly when you breed a pokemon it can have any move in its level up pool as an egg move, allowing them to get access to moves they wouldn't learn until higher level starting at level 1/5. Though I'd have to look into each of the specific cases mentioned to see if any of these are actually applicable for this.
It usually is. All you need to do is breed two Pokemon of the same species (or in the same evolution line) that both know that move.
That only works if the first stage can still learn the move. But for example, Swablu cannot learn Dragon Dance, so Winona's Altaria is still illegal.
@@jacquespaughtI think you have causation mixed up.
Breeding moves doesn’t only work if the Pokémon can learn it, the Pokémon can learn it because you can breed it with the move
@@IndexInvestingWithCole I've gotten nothing mixed up. The entire point of breeding a Pokémon's natural moves is so they have them at a lower level, for example giving Mudkip Hydro Pump fresh from an egg. It would make perfect sense to try and get Dragon Dance early on Altaria, but this cannot be done because Swablu cannot learn the move.
I just want them to change egg moves to include moves that both parents know. Instead of just moves from a small pool. This would help with event only pokemon really or pokemon that don't have the same egg moves as their children. But if they extended this to let pokemon learn any move so long as it shared the same typing as it's species I could see crazy potential for awesome move sets and interesting parent breeding chains to get the perfect moves lol.
Edit: At the very least it would mean smeargle would be more valued, even if it just valued the way ditto is lol. Also we need another smeargle but that's in different egg groups for this to work
Don’t get me started on Pokémon evolving before they could 😂
Tbh they should level up earlier if their stats are higher
I felt robbed when I learned that nincada can't learn endeavor
You're thinking of a sinister plan with shedinja aren't you
@@RoryTheFiend best Xern/Kyogre check
But in all seriousness, I'm baffled that Chandelure can't learn Moon Blast
For Pokémon knowing moves too early, you can get them by breeding when both of the parents know the same level-up move. Not illegal. Unless that Pokémon can't breed.
The most obvious missing move in the franchise if you ask me is that Ampharos, the lighthouse Pokémon with the glowing tail, can't learn Tail Glow 🤨
Yeah that's straight up criminal, amphy absolutely deserves tail glow
It makes sense that the powerful gym leaders/elite 4 have moves that were learned early. They're elite trainers. Imo
And I thought the _"Lance's Dragonite are below level 55"_ was just an exception. These are so dumb.
I don't understand why they'd manually give dragonite barrier, not like it's an amazing move either, would love to know their thought process when they did that
Funnily enough I brought a lvl 10 Dragonite in from POGO
I like the idea that Brock learned how to teach bind earlier, then the time skip everyone learned his method
Honestly I kinda like the boss fights of the game having moves it can't normally know (or at least has them earlier). It implies that maybe they are more experienced than the player and can pull out potential that the player can't. Makes them feel like more organic creatures than pieces of code.
Plus, its basic difficulty design in RPGs to give bosses access to stuff the player can't use. It's why stuff like Ghetsis' Hydreigon is tough: because at that point in the game you cant get a Dragon that's faster than it, and its not high enough level to reasonably use one of your own to match it. That's how you make Pokemon games difficult: dont give the player access to every pokemon in the dex until the post game, it opens a nearly infinite number of combos that will trivialize even the most well thought out encounters.
Nah.
Mons with obscure moves aren't unheard of in the anime either; maybe some Pokemon are just special? ...
Yeah they cheatin'
2:54 Not gonna lie, I would love to see movesets of regular trainers (mosty the "elite" ones, like Ace Trainers and Veterans) listed in the same fashion as "important" trainers, if only to see stuff like this. :)
Yeah I agree! Most sites won't even tell you what the random npcs movesets are, I want all the important info! I had to delve into trainer data spread sheets and make them look as close to legit bulbapedia info card things as possible!
I still don't understand why Ninetales can't get Psychic... SO MANY POKÉMON can learn it, but NOT Ninetales! It feels like it'd fit perfectly, but Extrasensory is as close as Ninetales gets... I dunno if it'd be extremely useful competitively or anything, but I'd just like that powerful psychic type TM on it for my normal playthroughs...
Every generation I continue to be disappointed that they still haven't given Wigglytuff Moonblast. It's a Fairy type, and it evolves with the Moon Stone. By far one of the most qualified 'mons to be able to get the move.
Plus it's a rabbit, and the Lunar Bunny is a Japanese mythology lol
QOTD: While it shouldn't be able to learn it normally I feel like an event Silvally with Judgement would be so cool, it finally becomes what it was made to replicate
honestly it makes me so sad when they delete moves. i loved return
Give dragon dance to garchomp.
I’m talking to you, Game Freak
3:28 At first I thought they made a mistake copy pasting Claydols moves to Lanturn, switching Skill Swap for Thunderbolt instead of EQ. With Skill Swap+Thunderbolt, Lanturn would continue the gimmick of giving your opponent an ability that’s immune to your own attacks.
However, Lanturn doesn’t learn Skill Swap either, so my only theory is that they made a numbers error with Thunder being TM25 and EQ being TM26.
Had to stop at 2:50. Gen 3 was my favorite gen as a kid and it most definitely had the best music
The nostalgia was too strong! It was literally overwhelming
Had no idea about that Lanturn, that’s so funny. But yeah, Lance is Pokémon’s resident cheater. Though I prefer to think he just knows something everyone else doesn’t! Also had no idea about Pokémon straight up having deleted moves in BDSP lmao, that’s so funny. There’s so many like completely irrelevant illegal moves like sand attack and water gun that seem pretty useless, but I imagine the case of water gun was for balancing purposes; they probably didn’t want to give it something really strong so they just said “screw it, water gun” and assumed it probably knew it lmao. Pretty interesting! Usually videos I see mentioning this topic just talk about Lance or some of the more obvious ones but I had no idea about a good bulk of these. Nice video!
I learned a lot making this video! I was honestly expecting by gen 4 or so to have all the mistakes gone, but nah some really fascinating instance and yeah gen 8 with bdsp especially has some fascinating mistakes still present today. The Mr mime with power whip when it's negative attack nature 0 IV AND 0 EVs, I wonder if something at like level 10 If it 4x resists could survive a hit
Anyway I'm glad you enjoyed it!
here is something that will change a bunch of those entries back to legal: from gen 3 onwards, if you breed a pokemon and both parents share a move that the pokemon that will hach can learn via level up, it will have it right away.
02:56 “Except for the trainer below her that has a Medicham with only Psychic 0_o o_0”
You can thank me later
ngl it made me smile that the broctor who joke wasn't showing tennant and smith for once
To be fair for the Indeedee, *Male* Indeedee can learn Trick Room, and to my understanding, both male and female Indeedee were available via the raid. So it's likely a case of them just forgetting to reset the move list after calculating gender, since male is the default form and female is the alternate form.
That being said, by giving female Indeedee access to Trick Room in order to make the affected Pokémon tradeable, they actually balanced the TM compatibilities of the two genders, so, good mistake. I wish instead they'd given female Indeedee an offensive move since she's the offensive one of her species, and male is the support - or maybe Tidy Up since she's based on a maid. But by taking one move that was male-exclusive and giving both genders access, they actually evened out the number of moves each gender could learn.
OBJECTION!
Your honor, if a Pokemon can learn a move by level up, it can be breed with the move if both parents know it.
Give Moonblast to Togikiss! (I know they gave it in Legends Arcues, but I'm talking about the main series)
I'm always down for a togekiss buff, imagine moon blast with serene grace 60% special attack drops, sounds pretty nasty o_o
Yeah and it would give it another option for fairy stab other just dazzling gleam@@RoryTheFiend
I mean they might, it's hard to give a pokemon a move they learned in PLA when they don't exist in SV at the time.
What do I want to learn for flavor? Tinkaton getting smackdown. The dex goes on about how it smacks birds out of the air with rocks, but for some reason it can't actually do that.
For useability, give Yanmega quiver dance. Let the special attacking bug boost its special stats and sweep.
Another Scarlet/Violet illegal move is the 6 Star Kilowattrel raids which give it Rain Dance, perfect for the Electric/Flying type to use Thunder and Hurricane. But Kilowattrel can't learn Rain Dance and it is coded as an extra move so it doesn't appear when caught.
Coded "Extra Moves" in high star Tera Raids can be explained as the extremely intense Terastal Phenomenon not only imparting moves and abilities not normally learnable / inherent by the species, but also allowing the species to surpass limits (In this case, the 4 moveslot limit)
at least his 2 Dragonites are legit (by game lore. He was in the lake of rage area when Team Rocket fired off the forced evolution sound thingy)
Bro we need an intro. Nice job on the vid lad
I never even considered that, maybe one day! And thanks maz appreciate it
Wait, they deleted Return? That move is literally the most Pokémon Pokémon move. Literal tackle of friendship, you get more damage for taking better care of the Pokémon. The new games never cease to disappoint (they have good things too, I'm not saying they're absolutely trash or being a genwunner).
Yeah deleting return was very odd to me since it encourages you to raise the friendship with your pokemon, some of Game Freaks decisions are rather confusing to me tbh
Skill swap earthquake claydol is so hilarious to me.
Bro just gives you a ground immunity and then can only use a ground type move
it's supposed to be a double battle with the trainer opposite, skill swap levitate to partner and then spam earthquake
@yoshiwoollyworld claydol and lanturn wouldn't be out at the same time, claydol gives the partner's medicham levitate so the claydol and lanturn can spam earthquake
Remember that Dig has been a TM in every mainline game (except the Alola games), so Veteran Brandon's Hippowdon is not illegal after all.
Lance is just really good at training pokemon, I swear
Flareon+Sizzly Slide (one of the partner eevee’s moves in lgpe) cause it’s a strong physical fire move that has no recoil and always burns, wich would actually make Flareon good at things
I think the reason Return was deleted was because in gen 8 they merged Affection into Friendship. I suppose they couldn’t adjust the thresholds like they did with stuff like friendship evolutions without throwing the move’s balance out of whack. You’d either have a 102 power move at half the maximum friendship if they changed the move to work under the stat cap (the stat stops increasing at a certain point until you play with the specific Pokémon in Camp or Picnics, removing the limit and letting it increase into thresholds that give affection buffs), or you’d have a 102 power move that also had a boosted chance to crit due to affection buffs stacking. Of course this problem wouldn’t affect competitive since affection buffs are turned off in PvP, but return would be even more busted in a casual run.
So THAT'S why I rarely have affection things happen in the last 2 gens
Up until recently I'd've said Shell Smash Torterra, however, we finally won...
It's so cool they actually gave torterra shell smash, who knows what they'll give an older Pokémon next!
This never really bothered me, because I never saw Pokemon levels as something that exist in a literal sense in-universe. They're more like a representation of the work you've done training the Pokemon, just for the sake of quantifying it. My character didn't manage to teach this Pokemon a certain move by level X, but maybe another trainer did.
QOTD - Floatzel, based off Sea Otters and whatnot, should get Stone Edge. (Basing it off the fact otters typically bang rocks on mussels to crack them open and get what’s inside.)
I although thought about Stockpile givin’ Floatzels flotation sac, but thats probably reaching a bit further lol.
Finally someone calls them out…
Truth spoken to power
so about the Pokémon that learn levels early. From gen 2 or onward, that can be achieved via breeding, as a Pokémon can learn any move from its own move set as egg moves. So if we give them the benefit of the doubt, we could say that they learned it that way, unlikely though it is.
Kingdra should learn shell smash. idk, where else does it get its food from? It's probably broken some clampearls and clawnchers in its day
nice call to action for engagement!
That's such an awesome suggestion, I'd love to see kingdra a top meta threat, such a cool Mon!
And thanks lol I do really enjoy reading the comments and responding so thank you for your comment!
I mean, it'd be useful on Kingdra. I hate to rain on the parade, but then again it'd give Kingdra a Swift Swim so maybe I should. As a move it wouldn't make much sense. For one, Shell Smash is smashing your own shell, dropping your defenses to up your speed since you're no longer weighed down by the shell. Second Seahorses actually do eat crustaceans, but they do it by swallowing them whole and digesting them, not through smashing. Would definitely be a fun moveset though.
In the DLC wave 1 for Scarlet and Violet, Indeedee Female was given access to learn Trick Room by TM
Kyurem should get Ice Punch.
I'm down for that!
Joke's on you, from an event Dragonite can learn barrier so Lance's team is legal. That event was none other than "Lance's Dragonite", therefore creating Lance's paradox, Is a legal move or Lance just rewrote reality?
Reality bends to Lance's will o_o I need to stop throwing shade at him
i'd love samurott to get shell smash
That's such a good idea I never thought of that! samurott would be such a menace, got the stat distribution for it
Some moves can be attributed to breeding as when I bred my Pokémon, they were high leveled and they offspring always had high leveled moves from the moment they were born.
Some of these are not actually illegal. A lot of what you mentioned are pokemon knowing moves before they learn them naturally: but you're forgetting about breeding. Everyone knows about egg moves and how if the father of a different species than the baby knows a move the child gets from an egg move it will pass to them dispite being a different species than the father. But, theres also another way to pass moves on with same species parents: if both parents know a level up move that the child would learn later at a high level, it will pass on to them. So it's possible (and thus perfectly legal) for a dratini, for example, to know outrage at level one.😅
So most of these are not illegal, or cheating, or hacked, or whatever: They're just using pokemon that were bred for those moves.😅
Dang I was really showing my lack of Pokémon breeding knowledge then lol, thanks for the insight!
@RoryTheFiend I mean, tbf it's not the most widely known mechanic because most people breed for egg moves, not learned moves.
Ampharous should get Tail Glow. idc about translations, GIVE EM THE BOOSTING MOVE!
I just looked up its translation "firefly light" so specific! I mean manaphy gets tail glow so you know I'd say amphy deserves it
Some of these can be explained with breeding exploits, or even tms ... but yea..
I always imagined the "illegal" evolutions and moves were something that can actually happen but it's specifically the player that doesnt do it. Like dragonite naturally evolves at level 55, but if you really wanted to you could force an early evolution but it involves being a general dick to them. Like pushing them way too hard in training or otherwise disrupting what would happen naturally to occur earlier. There was a plot point in the hoenn anime where Ash made Pikachu learn iron tail by practicing it over and over again until he mastered it instead of just using a tm, I imagine illegal moves are like that.
Lance taking his dragonite to mime school with all the Mr mimes until it learns barrier
@@RoryTheFiend truly he is twisted and evil to do such a thing. No pokemon should be subjected to Mr mime
@@zane1790 I will never forget, as hard as I may try, the Mr mime in the detective Pikachu movie, stuff of nightmares...
I would always action replay my starter Sneasels to have illegal moves, mainly Icicle Spear. Pissed off my best friend one time using Jump Kick Sneasel on his Aron lol
You're a menace to society, respect for giving sneasel what it deserves though
While this is interesting to see, I noticed this in Gen 3 some time ago, that some pokemon can learn moves way earlier if you avoid evolving it, while I haven't crossed checked which pokemon can and cannot learn certain moves earlier yet, it is something that should be taken into consideration not only that, but some pokemon can learn moves that you couldn't obtain when they were evolved but it's a trade off as it locks you out of some moves as well
Growl on growlithe
And camouflage for keckleon
And teleport for mew n mewtwo
And also why does ghastly know every punching move?!?!?!?!
Oh yeah ice punching gastly makes total sense, where are it's hands in its 3d model in games like battle revolution I want to know how that animation looks!
Ampharos not getting Tail Glow is an outrage!!
How are we in the ninth generation already and growlithe still cant learn growl
He's just a good boy, doesn't want to growl
Infernal parade on ninetails (i mean come one ninetails if it had a mega evo it would be a ghost type)
Really popped off with the editing on this one! Really fun video♥
on gen3 by breeding you can get mons to learn moves earlier, just saying like a lvl5 charmander with flamethrower
The Haxerous-Harden part made me actually laugh irl lmao
ay I'm glad someone liked one of the random stupid graphics I made, I don't know why that old meme popped into my head but I'm glad it did! One time I made a meme edit it legit took like 2 or 3 hours to make, only for it to be on screen for a few seconds, luckily it worked out nicely as a thumbnail so I made it that to get more value out of it!
@@RoryTheFiend Took hours for you to make memes, but it took years for Haxorus to learn HARDEN
@@VioletLunaChan well worth it for a powerful move like harden
You know, I was expecting Ghetsis's level 54 Hydreigon to be here, but you went above and beyond.
1:01 White Kyurem has a fist made of ice. Why can it not learn ice punch?
Nah that's reserved for Pokémon that truly deserve it like wooper or gastly
@@RoryTheFiend of course, how could I forget? The move that is named “ice punch” definitely doesn’t imply that you’re punching your opponent with a cold hand that could chill them, that would make too much sense! You can’t have hands or can’t be ice type to use ice punch. For example, I saw a mega blaziken do it once, now *that’s* deserving.
Been playing Pokémon like it was my job for the last 20 years, have over 10000 hours across all games collectively, beaten every gen: and yet I STILL am finding new things. Never have I ever heard of the move Rock Wrecker before! Just one of the many reasons to forever love this franchise.
Yeah it's a very rare move only Rhyperior and Crustle get it to this day!
Super interesting video, can’t wait for the next one! 🔥
The power creep has reached a point where a Dragon Dance Garchomp wouldn't be OP anymore
Aren't any of the "knows a move too early" instances past gen 2-3 not relevant since breeding and egg moves are a thing?
Only in the case where the baby can actually learn the move.
@@DragonKazooie89 I thought all level up moves were fair game for the baby. Is that not the case?
I'd honestly kill for that full seven hour video. great background listening
Easy listening as I point out every illegal thing an NPC in pokemon has done, no matter how trivial o_o
Because of E-speed Dratini I am willing to believe that Lance’s family canonically raises these hackmons
One of my most favorite top tier videos ever that I have watched. Zdraví Nogy. :)
Why doesn't Gyarados get Fly? It's lore literally revolves around it being a flying dragon....so why?
best they can do is give it Bounce I'm afraid
@@RoryTheFiend 🤣
Some of these i feel were legal when the Pokémon were made, but got overlooked when their species lost the moves in question or similar happened
Froslass really could use Nasty plot but to these day she still can't learn it.
Give Tinkaton Close Combat and or Earthquake so it's Smack Down combo from the dex works against it's rival without being at +6.
Or give it Pyro Ball and let me watch it turn what was once soccer into Hammer Baseball.
Tinkaton is such a cool Pokémon I'd love to see the little gremlin have all sorts of insane moves, pyro ball where it just bats a flaming ball at you sounds terrifying
Plot twist: The "professor" had picnics with his other pokepals
Revival Blessing Ho’oh
Lance’s barrier dragonite was given away via mystery gift once so it’s legal now. Back then it definitely wasn’t, but it’s nice they acknowledged it