Every single one has a specific place, and he remembers exactly who gave him which one, when they presented it, and what they said or wrote when they gave it to him.
I love that G-man never forgot the impact of how his father raised him, and how that directly impacted how he raised his ‘sons’ and what that meant to the Imperium and humanity as a whole - while they aren’t as lovable as the Salamanders, Ultramar’s 500 worlds and its chapters and PDF forces are a VERY big reason that the Imperium survived the Heresy at all - i mean it took him being in stasis for 10,000 years for them to even become the ‘rigid’ chapter they are today (and he quickly was like “it was a fucking GUIDE BOOK - not a bible to be followed to the exact letter - i mean shit, did NONE of my commanding officers learn watching me lead and write any of that shit down? *exasperated dad sigh*” 😂
@@giapnguyennhat4550they're is bunch of loons obsessed with the exterminatus and killing civies for fun.......only several inquisitors are competent bunch and still care to do their supposed emperor frakking job ........so of course they are gonna complain........
People hate on the the blueberries and girlyman, sometimes unironically, but he and Vulkan are probably the most human of the primarchs. Now with his resurrection, Gulliman is even better, mostly since he somewhat deserved a bit of ribbing in the heresy context.
Nah, he’s bummed the Imperium is weird asf but he’s still firing on all cylinders. I like when he cracks jokes and the room just goes quiet. Everyone thought he’d be some statuesque god. Just a 10 foot tall homie.
Love how Guilliman has different ways of dealing with different sons, he likes the cautious one, he hates the one looks down on human, he feels awkward when one of his son tried too hard to look nice and feel frustration when one son became completely oblivious when he made a dad joke Small things that crafts up a big figure
@davidtrainor9569 Probably this exchange from the Unremembered Empire. It's from Heresy times, but still. ‘My lord,’ Sergeant Arkus said, saluting. He was carrying his company’s standard. ‘At ease, Arkus,’ Guilliman told the Ultramarine. Arkus’s armour glinted in the sunlight. ‘You’re trying too hard,’ he added. ‘My lord?’ ‘When I arrived last night, your armour was in perfectly respectable condition, as was the plate of the other battle-brothers in your company. I remember these things. This morning, you’ve buffed your plate to the point of insanity.’ ‘My primarch is here,’ Arkus said, offended. ‘A surprise inspection of this post. What else would I do?’ Guilliman got up and faced him. ‘I’m sorry, Arkus. My remark was petty and uncalled for. Your armour code is perfect.’ Arkus nodded, and rested the base of the standard on the ground. ‘My lord,’ he said. ‘I am an Ultramarine. Trying too hard is the entire point of us, isn’t it?’ Guilliman smiled and saluted Arkus.'
@@Storiaronif you're talking about Lorgar leading them down the path of Chaos, do remember that *Erebus* started the whole thing by being the absolute douchebag that he is. Also remember that Lorgar was raised by Kor Phaeron, THE worst parental figure that any of the Primarchs ever had (yes, over Dammekos and Morty's adoptive father) and was also a Chaos worshipper long before the razing of Monarchia. Lorgar may have always been a little cuckoo but growing up surrounded by those people certainly didn't help matters.
Robo:Good intention should not be punished *camera pans over the inquisitior in the corner of the room shaking on the floor, having a stroke from hearing this.....
yes but before and while the heresy the big E and Malcador were careful of Gulliman. They were pleased with his accomplishment but not so pleased with his empire building
@Briselance I mean Horus was WAY beyond a normal primarch at that point. He was empowered by all 4 main Chaos Gods, and the only reason he didn't turn into a Daemon Prince is because Emps killed his soul. Also, I'd argue Guilliman is the weakest fighter amongst the primarchs even before the Heresy (not saying he isn't a good general though)
My headcanon until stated otherwise is that Guilliman recognizes what a disaster that turned into, even if he won't openly acknowledge it, and is consciously trying to avoid repeating it.
To be fair, G man self reflects on how much he screwed up back then and try’s hard to make up for his failures. Definitely him and the Lion being revived are the most powerful combination to be brought back
More like "Should we told Guilliman that you still have 1 computer with cracked Microsoft Excel 2010 and he can get his hand to it" "I cannot even move my ass from this throne, also those Administorium are making me sickier than the phantom iching, let him use it"
I can see both sides of Guilimen wanting both logical sons who think outside the box but also those who follow orders to make them succeed effectively it’s a balance of both intellectual and strategic factors Intuition & instincts
Yeah if you read good primarch book, he's constantly trying to toe that line and teach them that. He is literally trying to prepare his leaders and legion to operate without him should they ever have to.
To be fair, the Emperor's original orders where to bring Magnus to the Emperor. It was in giving the orders to Horus, who had been corrupted by Chaos, that Leman Russ was given the false order to punish Magnus
@@logandelaharpe6362 true, but Leman Russ most inept move was trying to send a message through a conduit to nowhere, instead of a more conventional message that would certainly have garnered a reply and effectively avoided the entire debacle from the get go. In this Leman Russ erred spectacularly and that part is all on him.
The thing is that Roboute Guilliman is better than all of his brothers because of his father, Konor Guilliman. The Emperor was his commander, but never his true father. Konor shaped Roboute to be the man he is, and for that the whole galaxy of 40K should give Konor a word of thanks.
Guiliman isnt the only good dad as far as the primarchs are concerned. Magnus loved his sons deeply, hence why he did everything he did in an attempt to save them from being exterminatus. Mind you, he did everything the wrong way. The Khan is a cool dad Lorgar was a cool dad before he had his mental breakdown Dorn was that strict ass dad who still spanked his kids but would then put their maccaroni art on the fridge
Russ was an okay dad, always partying and drinking with his sons i guess. Current lion is a great dad, young lion however was the worst dad. The emperor was a good dad to horus, even when everything was going down during the siege of terra, Big E still pleaded with horus. Even going as far as to say hed be forgiven for all of it.
You know, over time, I have really grown to appreciate Guilliman. He retains something in him that I see scarcely in the rest of 40k, I don't quite know what to call it, its a sort of genuine feeling about him, a sense that he's still there and hes trying, so many in 40k are just moving without thought purely along the routes of rules or plans, but Guilliman is taking each step with some level of hope
It's a crazy Primarch level mixture of 1) human intangibles like hope, stubbornness, & will along with 2) brains, brawn, & bolt shells & 3) additional traits less present in Big E like humility, pragmatism, & positive, stable morals beyond lip service. I got into 40K after Guilliman's awakening & for me it's not even close; he's pretty much always been THAT GUY whom the Imperium actually needs!
Guilliman is the only one who's building a system rather than an army. He's training, mind and body and spirit of the next generation of leaders. The other primarchs are all generals, warriors, sorcerers and whatevers. But Guilliman is the only teacher and empire builder. Guilliman looks at the future, all others look at the present or even at the past. Guilliman is making himself unnecessary and that's why he can focus on the bigger strategic picture without having to worry about every single little sh*t happening
The dark makes plain light brilliant. Reminds me of Future Trunks from DBZ. In any other story, he's the bog standard hero. He fights only when necessary, and even in that seeks to end the threat efficiently. I mean, isn't that just common sense in how you approach life threatening endeavors? But in a story filled with warriors who crave strong opponents to the point of neglecting the safety of those they protect for a better fight, Trunks' common sense makes him unique. Trunks doesn't have that luxury. If he loses, if he slips up, then it's the end of everything he knows and loves. There is no one else to fight in his stead. No magical wishes to bail him out. No special training devices or techniques to amp his strength in a pinch. No, he has to make do with what he has. So he fights hard, he fights dirty and (relatively) he always goes for the kill. Because anything less, would be spitting on the countless lives lost to earn peace and the memory of his late mentor. To sum up, the context makes common things stand out and makes us appreciate them more.
Ultramarine: Dad this is a bad idea. Guilliman: you’re probably right, but we don’t have a lot of options. Iron Warrior: I don’t think this is a good plan. Peturabo: Who the fuck asked you? Who the fuck even are you?
Who knew that the only primarch with a stable adolescence and good parenting would be a decent dude. Like, Emps PLEASE, it's all RIGHT THERE. Edit: I'd like to amend this and say that Big G was the only primarch that had BOTH a stable upbringing and good parenting. Dorn, Russ, Vulkan, etc. may have had good parenting, but not a stable, relatively normal upbringing. Hell, if my memory serves me right, ol Peter Turbo had a stable upbringing, but not good parents (could be wrong on that one). It goes to show how if the Emperor paid a bit more attention to his sons, they could've all turned out similarly to Guilliman here.
He really is the ultimate primarch. Charisma like sanguinius, rage like angron, skill like the lion and more like his bothers. And the greatest of empire builders, a true man of war and peace
And i love that Guilliman being who he is, isn't the work of the Emperor at all. Sure, he distilled human perfection on a genetic level, but Guilliman is the same as his Brothers on that regard, half of whom fell to Chaos and others having other shortcomings like Russ or Lion. The one thing the Emperor didn't account for and what made Guilliman into the Person he is today, is having loving Parents, a stable Family.
There’s a difference between punishing intent and punishing action. Girlyman’s son didn’t do something heinous in his good intentions. Magnus did a number of colossally stupid things. Magnus would deserve more punishment if he were malicious, but he still deserves punishment for being foolish.
@@stalker9942 Russ was a good king and father to his sons. Fenris isn't the best world, not by any stretch compared to Ultramar. But that's the culture being what it is, a world where you have to keep going else the frost, or fire, or beasts gets to you. Angron.. without the nails he would've been the best. But that's a moot point sadly
@@Darqshadow very much this. Leman was a Jarl and as such, it is the duty of his kinsmen to tell him when they disagree and the Jarl's duty to hear them out and consider their input. And so he did, like a good leader.
Gulliman has the benefit of having sons that both understand him and are capable on their own. Most of the others have sons that either don't understand them, understand them and hate them, or understand them but fall apart without their guidance
He likely saw how shitty the emperor treated him and the other primarchs and actually refused to follow through with that behavior. That takes a different kind of strength and character.
It's more so to do with the fact Guillemen was raised in a stable home with a silver spoon in his mouth. While BigE lived in the bronze age and witnessed his uncle kill his dad in cold blood for likely reasons realated to either land or his dad's sheep gracing a little to close to his fields. And if you know anything about the Bronze age you would know it was an absolutely horrendous time to be alive, it was basicly the age of strife on Terra but with swords and spears instead of guns. Again we don't know the reason for why or if even the Origin is real or if it's just some illusion, but if we assume it's true...yeah BigE of rip was raised in a fatherless house hold and likely left home when he was barley 10. Not to mention the E is 40 000 years old and if you know about any of the down sides of immortality you would know that it really isn't a surprise the guy turned out to be a pretty crappy person over all. In short Guillemen is good because he landed on top of a private school with good parents with a diamond encrusted spoon in his mouth, compare to BigE and the other Primarchs who were either slaves or out casted wanderers.
@@CopeSeethorntin guilliman still endured hardship with the murder of he's adoptive father and having to rise up and take responsibility for he's kingdom
@@foxalpha3203 Yes but by that point he was grown up and most importantly before his death he was given the best family, position, education and over all a pretty great life that all the primarchs wished they had. By the time of konner guilamens death, guilamen had already assumed some control over macragg Not through wars of conqoust though that did happen. He was given an already established empire though riddled with political strife and built an empire with relative ease and zero problems. Every one else from jaghati, to Corvus, to Angron to even the Emperor (if we do assume he really did start as a Neolithic and had a hard life from than on and is not just an illusion) Than yeah. Everyone else had to kill, rip, crawl and all in all go through some tough times in order to reach the end of there road to power. Guilamen was born in to what was practically Royalty and was raised by a genuinely family that cherished him, and though there was political strife hence the assassination of his father. It was as good as just sweeping up Macragges politicaly turbulent council in the form of counter assassination and everything was smooth all the way till he met the imperium and the Emperor. There's a difference between having a father you loved and taught you important values die infront of you and being resolute and old enough to come to peace with his deatg enough to carry his memory. VS being born either an outcast, or a slave on a waring turbulent planete, ruled byself proclaimed god priest's with armies numbering in the 10s on thousands, which were strangely common during the Bronze age. Either being to young to truly understand the gravity of a parents death or straight up not having any one only to find out your a demi god space wizard and realize your more powerful than said self proclaimed god priests themselves. But not having any one to temper that realisation and being forced to be self reliant with the knowledge your practically a God in human form. And surprise surprise you get a self proclaimed, Aragont, paranoid, undisputed leader of an entire species. Who's incapable of trusting any one and was more or less left to his own vices at the age of 10 with no one to tamper and teach him the responsibility of great power, due to his only parental feguire being clubbed to death during an age of Chaos. Where ethics wouldn't really be taken seriously till the 20th century rolled around. And due to being born in said age of Chaos with that chaos raging for thousands of years in mankind's past. And in the process ended up developing an unhealthy obsession with order and control. You get the Emperor of mankind himself. (That's assuming the Shaman theory is true)
Roboute would’ve but I don’t think he was able to attend as most of if not all the primarchs that would’ve been on his side were busy the khan sending his lead librarian to try and help
@@logandelaharpe6362 If I remember correctly in Scars, Khan lamented that he did not go there personally. Also the whole Other Weirdcake, or whatever his name was stunt during Council of Nikaea is one of the reason I dislike Heresy era Space Wolves. Along with them barking at sorcerers while having "rune priests" that comune with "spirits of Fenris".
@@Treasure_hunter_21I mean this whole thing could've been avoided if the Emperor just told his sons what he's up to. "Horus, i want to do this project, please keep your brother in check. Magnus, you will help me after I finished this project, in the meantime please just stay put. Lorgar, slap your sketchy son"
I notice the difference between a lot of loyalists and traitor primarchs is humility. At different points Guilliman, Dorn, Chad-gatai and Corvus have shown a willingness to listen to their subordinates and even mortals
@@alexbrowne9566 sad knowing Guilimans mini empire was right next to Angron planet and could’ve got there before the emperor if he’d just expanded a little bit.
@@zillafire101 yeah man. Right up to the end he was loyal to his human companions and never got over them. I sometimes like to theorise on what Angron would have been. We know he was meant to be the paladin archetype
@@Yeshuah6 Which Guilliman also possesses. Dude really needed to be taken of the board for 10 Millenia or else Warhammer would've never gotten this grimdark. Having good Parents really made him too powerful.
While it may sound cheesy it does make sense: Your son trust your judgment and support your action? Good. Your son is worried that you are making a mistake and came to warn you? Good.
"good intentions should not be punished" and somewhere, sometime out in the warp, this is when Magnus' remaining eye suddenly starts leaking for no reason.
Jaghatai didn't outright kill his sons when they betrayed the imperium in heresy. He listened to them. Well I mean he still punnished them with death but allowed them to go down with honour by making them go to a penetant crusade instead of out right execution. His sons tought that he would join horus so acted as such. He listened to them. I just love based primarchs like him and Roboute.
I am convinced that roboute may actually dedicate some father/son moments here and there just to not have a mental breakdown from the state of the imperium
There are many moments where guilliman’s interactions with his sons are incredibly wholesome. They all revere him as the demigod they were all told stories of after the heresy but he wants nothing more than for them to be his sons or even his friend.
Route has always been a stellar example of leadership. Truly an honorable standard to hold in such dark times. Makes me and my blood boys miss our Great Angel all the more.
very similar to the Emperor and Magnus, with Guilliman having the right reaction instead of the wrong one. Guilliman's best trait is really his ability to be a good parent
He's a good dad because of all the scars he has taken. He saw how Magnus was treated. He saw how aloof some primarchs were. He saw that it broke them and their legions and ultimately damned them.
@@vittorgama44 Corvus was a good dad... if you weren't born on terra. I'd be on the fence about him, but him being such a douche nozzle to the terran born vs actually putting in some effort to try and integrate and bring them into the fold pushes out of the 'good dad' group for me.
Magnus somewhere, while putting down the prospero times "I feel like someone just said something I needed to hear millennium ago, but I can tell it was someone I hate."
God, wouldn’t that be awesome? A long working redemption arc for each of the fallen Primarchs? Some would be easier than others, Fulgrim already has the groundwork laid out with the perfect Clone and I have no idea where to even start with Angron. Unfortunately that would wildly break the status quo for the setting, so I kinda doubt it would actually happen.
That would be sick, although it seems beyond difficult for any demon Primarch to ever extricate themselves from their patron's control. Then again, what do I know as Big E claimed that Mortarion could be redeemed/saved?! Certainly feel sympathy for Magnus & Morty's plights before they fell... Perhaps good Magnus returns somehow or Big E excises the corruption like a cancer.
I meet people says to me " I know you have good intentions but.. " I simply know that they don't want to hear your thoughts on the matter When Gullimen says its ok and hear it out. That made me smile
Man is a good leader, always open to ideas and knows how to listen regardless of who you are. How he acts and how he treats his sons shows how well Tarasha raised him.
this probably obvious to most, but i really do see Guiliman replacing the emperor as his successor and leading the imperium to a new golden age. He honestly is humanities last real hope and salvation at this point
Honestly as a grown boy scout, Robert Gullyman is my absolute favorite primarch. I love every interaction i have ever read or heard about that he has been involved in and im glad he was the first primarch back.
Just because you have good intentions doesn't mean your actions are benevolent for the rest. If the daddy says something is bad and you should stay away from that, you should do as he said.
Guilliman decided to listen to his son’s advice after ultramarine sergeant Thiel from the Horus Heresy. To summarize. He was censured by Gulliman for having his men run hypothetical scenarios where they would fight other astartes. He was made to wear a red helmet as a sign of his punishment, but after the Heresy, the red helmet was changed to mean the helmet of a sergeant in honor of Thiel.
Meanwhile it took the Lion having his world blow up and getting into a 10k year long Coma to realize he’s a shit father who feels bad for killing that one Astartes who defied him when it came to psykers
At the end of the interrogation Ionan Grud the Grey Knight basically turns around and tells him he won't ever do it again and bounced along with his ship and Guilliman basically just doesn't even question it and lets him walk off. I hope we see Ionan Grud again, he was cool, beat the crap out of Typhus, leaves Guilliman hanging and is never seen again
Call me nuts if you want, but I personally think Guilliman is actually superior to the Emperor, just in the sheer fact that the former knows what it means and what it's like to be truly human.
People often forget that guilliman, for all his faults and flaws, is arguably the most relatable primarch coz he has no special powers like his brothers.. he's the everyman of the primarchs.. he's not speed like the khan, he's not a forest walker like the lion, he's not shadow like corax, he's not an angel like sanguinius, he's not a monstrous melee fighter like russ.. he's just a man.. granted a gigantic "demigod" of a man but compared to his more gifted brothers essentially just a man whose only gifts are his parents and a good soul.. he does his best, falls but gets back up again despite the pain and anguish he feels thinking he's all the imperium's got left to bring it back from the brink.. i wish the lion would hurry and just forestwalk into macragge..
Robute probably has a whole wing of his home dedicated to housing “World’s Greatest Dad” coffee mugs.
The mental image of an ultramarine nervously walking up to his Primarch with a wrapped gift that's very obviously a big a*s mug is hilarious
There's an entire continent sized museum of his son's Father's Day gifts for sure. There was like 200 thousand of those guys after all
Every single one has a specific place, and he remembers exactly who gave him which one, when they presented it, and what they said or wrote when they gave it to him.
And you just know he'd take every single one with a fatherly smile and say something like "wow, YOU made this?, it's just what I wanted."
@@justsomeguyinouterspace8623 Reminds me when Guilliman pours Corvus a glass of wine and the cup is equal to 10 cup normal human size lmao.
'whatever you do,you are still my son' - guiliman
In the dark far future... There is father and son bond!
@@cristianisraelquintanacave6615 and tons of failed fathers with tons of daddy issues.
" Even if i accidentally deleted your ledger?"
" In the word of my brother "No "."
Dorn, Pert, Angron, Ferrus, Morty, and Kurze could've taken some notes
I love that G-man never forgot the impact of how his father raised him, and how that directly impacted how he raised his ‘sons’ and what that meant to the Imperium and humanity as a whole - while they aren’t as lovable as the Salamanders, Ultramar’s 500 worlds and its chapters and PDF forces are a VERY big reason that the Imperium survived the Heresy at all - i mean it took him being in stasis for 10,000 years for them to even become the ‘rigid’ chapter they are today (and he quickly was like “it was a fucking GUIDE BOOK - not a bible to be followed to the exact letter - i mean shit, did NONE of my commanding officers learn watching me lead and write any of that shit down? *exasperated dad sigh*” 😂
"Good Intentions should not be punished." And the Inquisition took that personally.
What are they gonna do ? Cry about it, Like a bunch of incompetents
@@giapnguyennhat4550they're is bunch of loons obsessed with the exterminatus and killing civies for fun.......only several inquisitors are competent bunch and still care to do their supposed emperor frakking job ........so of course they are gonna complain........
You mean they ignored it ?
Like feminism and the concequence of turning down a entire group for themself in multiple occasion
@@orctrihar can't help yourself
@@orctriharYour mask is slipping.
This is nice to hear after essentially thinking G man was nothing but depressed in the 40k universe. He still cares about his sons.
That's what "meme lore" does to 40k compared to the real lore like this channel
They’re usually what keeps him going
He is depressed. But also stuborn and hopeful. Man always plans for the best possible future for mankind. Just like papa.
People hate on the the blueberries and girlyman, sometimes unironically, but he and Vulkan are probably the most human of the primarchs. Now with his resurrection, Gulliman is even better, mostly since he somewhat deserved a bit of ribbing in the heresy context.
Nah, he’s bummed the Imperium is weird asf but he’s still firing on all cylinders. I like when he cracks jokes and the room just goes quiet. Everyone thought he’d be some statuesque god. Just a 10 foot tall homie.
"Good intentions should not be punished."
And somewhere Magnus is like "... I feel undeniably cheated for some reason..."
he's literally putting down "the prospero times" while saying that
There's a world of difference between voicing your concerns and doing what Magnus did, though.
He went and was beyond good intentions at that point.
@@MagusMalazelI love Magnus, but you’re completely right
@@MagusMalazel MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG
@@SquaulDuNeant exactly
Love how Guilliman has different ways of dealing with different sons, he likes the cautious one, he hates the one looks down on human, he feels awkward when one of his son tried too hard to look nice and feel frustration when one son became completely oblivious when he made a dad joke
Small things that crafts up a big figure
Which is the one trying too hard to look nice?
@davidtrainor9569 Probably this exchange from the Unremembered Empire. It's from Heresy times, but still.
‘My lord,’ Sergeant Arkus said, saluting. He was carrying his company’s standard.
‘At ease, Arkus,’ Guilliman told the Ultramarine. Arkus’s armour glinted in the sunlight. ‘You’re trying too hard,’ he added.
‘My lord?’
‘When I arrived last night, your armour was in perfectly respectable condition, as was the plate of the other battle-brothers in your company. I remember these things. This morning, you’ve buffed your plate to the point of insanity.’
‘My primarch is here,’ Arkus said, offended. ‘A surprise inspection of this post. What else would I do?’
Guilliman got up and faced him. ‘I’m sorry, Arkus. My remark was petty and uncalled for. Your armour code is perfect.’
Arkus nodded, and rested the base of the standard on the ground. ‘My lord,’ he said. ‘I am an Ultramarine. Trying too hard is the entire point of us, isn’t it?’
Guilliman smiled and saluted Arkus.'
@@danielkrejcar9104blueberries!
Guilliman do dad joke!? Man I have to see it.
@tranngockha6562 he made one when he dropped a pencil and he can't pick it up because of his power fist
"As time has proven- a caring parental figure is the best defense against the vileness of chaos!"
Tell that to the word bearers lmao
@@Storiaronunfortunately the grandfather was a dickhead
@@Storiaronif you're talking about Lorgar leading them down the path of Chaos, do remember that *Erebus* started the whole thing by being the absolute douchebag that he is. Also remember that Lorgar was raised by Kor Phaeron, THE worst parental figure that any of the Primarchs ever had (yes, over Dammekos and Morty's adoptive father) and was also a Chaos worshipper long before the razing of Monarchia. Lorgar may have always been a little cuckoo but growing up surrounded by those people certainly didn't help matters.
@@cyrillesuI give this one a mandatory:
FUCK EREBUS
Even works for Xenos too. Farsight resists Khorne by thinking about his surrogate father, Puretide, and what he taught him.
"I've come to stop you, and you're not angry?"
Guilliman:"Angry? That's exactly why I appointed you a Tetrarch!"
the King mad you a staff officer, that you should know when not to follow orders
"on you for doing your job? Do i look like Angron?"
TBF: The _his_ dad not caring for such thins are kind of everything that went wrong in the Heresy.
"You don't have to follow orders when your leader is acting like a daft cunt"
Thank God Guilliman wasn't raised by the Emperor
Tbf, none of them were.
@@Treasure_hunter_21 Yes but he was raise by a father that the Emperor can't be equal to.
@@mobiusZero2 true.
@@Treasure_hunter_21Alpharius was actually raised by the Emperor, as his pod just landed right outside the Imperial Palace
@@keikei2942 oh. I didn't know that.
Robo:Good intention should not be punished
*camera pans over the inquisitior in the corner of the room shaking on the floor, having a stroke from hearing this.....
*Camera pans back over to Robu, wearing the memetic "Deal With It." shades along with the Laurel Wreath.*
"You seem.... U p s e t."
@@jimvenanzio6561"you seem like you are, and correct me if im wrong inquisitor, coping and seething"
@@ianduarte1992 hehehe. Nice 😅👍
his own dad: "Okay, but what if their good intentions are annoying?"
Pans back to the Emperor and his handling of Magnus.
Girlyman :Good intention should not be punished
Emperor :You sure?
"Fck that kid Magnus! He ruin mah school project"
- Vegetable
Nobody asked you DAD!
Warnings from the man who forgot to account for the basic human need for affection. The Emperor is an idiot of the highest order
*Magnus has enter the chat*
MAAAAAAGNUUUUUUS
This is why the emperor doesn't like him.
Guilliman is a weaker but more mature version of him
Well the emperor did give him his sword...
@@alexbrowne9566 I mean, guilliman was the only one left...
Weaker? The God-Emperor is indeed strong, but it was a primarch that almost offed him, still.
yes but before and while the heresy the big E and Malcador were careful of Gulliman. They were pleased with his accomplishment but not so pleased with his empire building
@Briselance I mean Horus was WAY beyond a normal primarch at that point. He was empowered by all 4 main Chaos Gods, and the only reason he didn't turn into a Daemon Prince is because Emps killed his soul. Also, I'd argue Guilliman is the weakest fighter amongst the primarchs even before the Heresy (not saying he isn't a good general though)
"You came to warn me" "Good intentions should not be punished"
My headcanon until stated otherwise is that Guilliman recognizes what a disaster that turned into, even if he won't openly acknowledge it, and is consciously trying to avoid repeating it.
To be fair, G man self reflects on how much he screwed up back then and try’s hard to make up for his failures.
Definitely him and the Lion being revived are the most powerful combination to be brought back
Ultimate force against chaos. A halfway decent parent
"How about we just make 20 Guillimans?"
Big E "... Yes"
*war ends, galaxies are free, humanity won*
Tax season would be absolutely brutal.
...tax decade
Except the Emperor didn't make Guilliman who he is. His parents did that.
More like "Should we told Guilliman that you still have 1 computer with cracked Microsoft Excel 2010 and he can get his hand to it"
"I cannot even move my ass from this throne, also those Administorium are making me sickier than the phantom iching, let him use it"
Wish GMan and his girl luck then
I can see both sides of Guilimen wanting both logical sons who think outside the box but also those who follow orders to make them succeed effectively it’s a balance of both intellectual and strategic factors Intuition & instincts
Yeah if you read good primarch book, he's constantly trying to toe that line and teach them that. He is literally trying to prepare his leaders and legion to operate without him should they ever have to.
Roboute is amount the few that always knew he was not the be all end all
His codex was meant to be guidelines not absolute law
@@basketcase77
A leader is strong enough to be integral to his country. A statesmen is smart enough to make himself unnecessary.
"Good intentions should not be punished."
Magnus to Big E: "SEE! He gets it."
While following the proper channels. Not make a deal with a demon despite being grounded to your room for being a idiot.
To be fair, the Emperor's original orders where to bring Magnus to the Emperor.
It was in giving the orders to Horus, who had been corrupted by Chaos, that Leman Russ was given the false order to punish Magnus
He gets it. His orders were to bring Magnus to Terra before Horus did some creative... rewriting of the orders
And even then the wolf king didn’t want to fight and tried to contact Magnus to talk but never got an answer
@@logandelaharpe6362 true, but Leman Russ most inept move was trying to send a message through a conduit to nowhere, instead of a more conventional message that would certainly have garnered a reply and effectively avoided the entire debacle from the get go.
In this Leman Russ erred spectacularly and that part is all on him.
Looks like gulliman is actually breaking the cycle of abuse he is being better than his own father
The thing is that Roboute Guilliman is better than all of his brothers because of his father, Konor Guilliman. The Emperor was his commander, but never his true father. Konor shaped Roboute to be the man he is, and for that the whole galaxy of 40K should give Konor a word of thanks.
His adoptive father raised him very well and taught him everything he needed to become a ruler.
@@austinkersey2445 Plus his mother!!!
Guiliman isnt the only good dad as far as the primarchs are concerned.
Magnus loved his sons deeply, hence why he did everything he did in an attempt to save them from being exterminatus. Mind you, he did everything the wrong way.
The Khan is a cool dad
Lorgar was a cool dad before he had his mental breakdown
Dorn was that strict ass dad who still spanked his kids but would then put their maccaroni art on the fridge
Russ was an okay dad, always partying and drinking with his sons i guess.
Current lion is a great dad, young lion however was the worst dad.
The emperor was a good dad to horus, even when everything was going down during the siege of terra, Big E still pleaded with horus. Even going as far as to say hed be forgiven for all of it.
You know, over time, I have really grown to appreciate Guilliman. He retains something in him that I see scarcely in the rest of 40k, I don't quite know what to call it, its a sort of genuine feeling about him, a sense that he's still there and hes trying, so many in 40k are just moving without thought purely along the routes of rules or plans, but Guilliman is taking each step with some level of hope
Its his Dad energy. Its so sorely lacking in the 41st millenium that it stands out like a sore thumb when anyone has it.
It's a crazy Primarch level mixture of 1) human intangibles like hope, stubbornness, & will along with 2) brains, brawn, & bolt shells & 3) additional traits less present in Big E like humility, pragmatism, & positive, stable morals beyond lip service. I got into 40K after Guilliman's awakening & for me it's not even close; he's pretty much always been THAT GUY whom the Imperium actually needs!
Guilliman is the only one who's building a system rather than an army. He's training, mind and body and spirit of the next generation of leaders.
The other primarchs are all generals, warriors, sorcerers and whatevers.
But Guilliman is the only teacher and empire builder. Guilliman looks at the future, all others look at the present or even at the past.
Guilliman is making himself unnecessary and that's why he can focus on the bigger strategic picture without having to worry about every single little sh*t happening
The dark makes plain light brilliant.
Reminds me of Future Trunks from DBZ. In any other story, he's the bog standard hero. He fights only when necessary, and even in that seeks to end the threat efficiently.
I mean, isn't that just common sense in how you approach life threatening endeavors?
But in a story filled with warriors who crave strong opponents to the point of neglecting the safety of those they protect for a better fight, Trunks' common sense makes him unique.
Trunks doesn't have that luxury. If he loses, if he slips up, then it's the end of everything he knows and loves.
There is no one else to fight in his stead. No magical wishes to bail him out. No special training devices or techniques to amp his strength in a pinch.
No, he has to make do with what he has.
So he fights hard, he fights dirty and (relatively) he always goes for the kill.
Because anything less, would be spitting on the countless lives lost to earn peace and the memory of his late mentor.
To sum up, the context makes common things stand out and makes us appreciate them more.
Just to let you guys know. The song is "White Gold" by Karl casey
what is the « action » music used in his other videos please
Thank you very much, tried looking for it manually
@@karlsplkrIf you mean the fast paced one, same artist. "Hackers" - Karl Casey
& @OmegaDesu Actual MVP's right here
The third song is Last Stop - Karl Casey as well, you know the one
Ultramarine: Dad this is a bad idea.
Guilliman: you’re probably right, but we don’t have a lot of options.
Iron Warrior: I don’t think this is a good plan.
Peturabo: Who the fuck asked you? Who the fuck even are you?
Worl Eatuh: BLOOD?
Angron: BLOOD.
Iron Hand: Should we do this?
Ferrus:
Emperor's Children: Glargul gluk gaaarl?
Fulgrim: Mmm yessssssss
Iron Fist: Do you th-
Dorn: No
@@basketcase77 Imperial Fists, not Iron Fist
Dark angels: i think this...
Lion: *proceed to slap so hard, the head fall from body
Ravenguard: My instincts tell me this is wrong…
Corax: I hear you my son, let me brood in this corner and think about it…
Who knew that the only primarch with a stable adolescence and good parenting would be a decent dude. Like, Emps PLEASE, it's all RIGHT THERE.
Edit: I'd like to amend this and say that Big G was the only primarch that had BOTH a stable upbringing and good parenting. Dorn, Russ, Vulkan, etc. may have had good parenting, but not a stable, relatively normal upbringing. Hell, if my memory serves me right, ol Peter Turbo had a stable upbringing, but not good parents (could be wrong on that one). It goes to show how if the Emperor paid a bit more attention to his sons, they could've all turned out similarly to Guilliman here.
I'm sorry. Vulkan?
@@hughmann9568shitIforgotaboutvulkan
Ye him to@@hughmann9568
@@hughmann9568 Russ had semi decent too after he was taken by the King Leman
@@hughmann9568**Kronk's Shoulder Angel from Emperor's New Groove** He's got a point ..
He really is the ultimate primarch.
Charisma like sanguinius, rage like angron, skill like the lion and more like his bothers.
And the greatest of empire builders, a true man of war and peace
He is what the emperor needed to be to succeed
And i love that Guilliman being who he is, isn't the work of the Emperor at all.
Sure, he distilled human perfection on a genetic level, but Guilliman is the same as his Brothers on that regard, half of whom fell to Chaos and others having other shortcomings like Russ or Lion.
The one thing the Emperor didn't account for and what made Guilliman into the Person he is today, is having loving Parents, a stable Family.
"Good intention should not be punished"
"Oh hey Magnus"
There’s a difference between punishing intent and punishing action. Girlyman’s son didn’t do something heinous in his good intentions. Magnus did a number of colossally stupid things. Magnus would deserve more punishment if he were malicious, but he still deserves punishment for being foolish.
You know... Magnus should have fucking used an Astropath to send his message.
Imagine angron instead or even leman , Gorillaman its good dad
@@stalker9942 Russ was a good king and father to his sons. Fenris isn't the best world, not by any stretch compared to Ultramar. But that's the culture being what it is, a world where you have to keep going else the frost, or fire, or beasts gets to you.
Angron.. without the nails he would've been the best. But that's a moot point sadly
@@DarqshadowI wish we could have seen Angron without the nails interact with his Legion
@@Darqshadow yeeah poor angron, but he only had good parenting with his loyal sons, he respect only them even if he kill all fo them.
@@The_Calcium_King Then read Roboutian Heresy.
@@Darqshadow very much this. Leman was a Jarl and as such, it is the duty of his kinsmen to tell him when they disagree and the Jarl's duty to hear them out and consider their input. And so he did, like a good leader.
Gulliman has the benefit of having sons that both understand him and are capable on their own. Most of the others have sons that either don't understand them, understand them and hate them, or understand them but fall apart without their guidance
He likely saw how shitty the emperor treated him and the other primarchs and actually refused to follow through with that behavior. That takes a different kind of strength and character.
It's more so to do with the fact Guillemen was raised in a stable home with a silver spoon in his mouth. While BigE lived in the bronze age and witnessed his uncle kill his dad in cold blood for likely reasons realated to either land or his dad's sheep gracing a little to close to his fields. And if you know anything about the Bronze age you would know it was an absolutely horrendous time to be alive, it was basicly the age of strife on Terra but with swords and spears instead of guns.
Again we don't know the reason for why or if even the Origin is real or if it's just some illusion, but if we assume it's true...yeah BigE of rip was raised in a fatherless house hold and likely left home when he was barley 10. Not to mention the E is 40 000 years old and if you know about any of the down sides of immortality you would know that it really isn't a surprise the guy turned out to be a pretty crappy person over all.
In short Guillemen is good because he landed on top of a private school with good parents with a diamond encrusted spoon in his mouth, compare to BigE and the other Primarchs who were either slaves or out casted wanderers.
@@CopeSeethorntin guilliman still endured hardship with the murder of he's adoptive father and having to rise up and take responsibility for he's kingdom
@@foxalpha3203 Yes but by that point he was grown up and most importantly before his death he was given the best family, position, education and over all a pretty great life that all the primarchs wished they had. By the time of konner guilamens death, guilamen had already assumed some control over macragg Not through wars of conqoust though that did happen. He was given an already established empire though riddled with political strife and built an empire with relative ease and zero problems.
Every one else from jaghati, to Corvus, to Angron to even the Emperor (if we do assume he really did start as a Neolithic and had a hard life from than on and is not just an illusion) Than yeah. Everyone else had to kill, rip, crawl and all in all go through some tough times in order to reach the end of there road to power.
Guilamen was born in to what was practically Royalty and was raised by a genuinely family that cherished him, and though there was political strife hence the assassination of his father. It was as good as just sweeping up Macragges politicaly turbulent council in the form of counter assassination and everything was smooth all the way till he met the imperium and the Emperor.
There's a difference between having a father you loved and taught you important values die infront of you and being resolute and old enough to come to peace with his deatg enough to carry his memory.
VS being born either an outcast, or a slave on a waring turbulent planete, ruled byself proclaimed god priest's with armies numbering in the 10s on thousands, which were strangely common during the Bronze age. Either being to young to truly understand the gravity of a parents death or straight up not having any one only to find out your a demi god space wizard and realize your more powerful than said self proclaimed god priests themselves. But not having any one to temper that realisation and being forced to be self reliant with the knowledge your practically a God in human form.
And surprise surprise you get a self proclaimed, Aragont, paranoid, undisputed leader of an entire species. Who's incapable of trusting any one and was more or less left to his own vices at the age of 10 with no one to tamper and teach him the responsibility of great power, due to his only parental feguire being clubbed to death during an age of Chaos. Where ethics wouldn't really be taken seriously till the 20th century rolled around. And due to being born in said age of Chaos with that chaos raging for thousands of years in mankind's past. And in the process ended up developing an unhealthy obsession with order and control.
You get the Emperor of mankind himself. (That's assuming the Shaman theory is true)
"Good intentions should not be punished."
Magnus wants to have a word.
If Guilliman had his way, Magnus likely would not have been punished until _after_ the situation was dealt with.
"HE BETTER NOT HAVE SENT THAT WORD ASTROTELEPATHICALLY, OR I SWEAR TO ME..." - Da Emprah, probably
Guilliman actually supported Magnus during his trial so he's still logically consistent.
Roboute would’ve but I don’t think he was able to attend as most of if not all the primarchs that would’ve been on his side were busy the khan sending his lead librarian to try and help
@@logandelaharpe6362 If I remember correctly in Scars, Khan lamented that he did not go there personally. Also the whole Other Weirdcake, or whatever his name was stunt during Council of Nikaea is one of the reason I dislike Heresy era Space Wolves. Along with them barking at sorcerers while having "rune priests" that comune with "spirits of Fenris".
"Good intentions should not be punished"
Every single Thousand Son: "BRUH"
Tzeentch: "lol"
The other gods: "LMAO even"
Him, Vulkan, and Sanguinius are just *peak* Dad energy to their sons.
GW's best attempts to make Ultramarines wholesome. I like it
GW trying to undo the damage caused by Matt Ward so hard, they created the worlds most wholesome father figure xD
@@LtCWestat least until vulkan returns
@@Cgar-mj1on IF Vulkan returns. Would be awesome if he did though
Space marines 2 bout to be magical
I want to see him in the game
@@Tenz2346gdamn, that would be fire!
@Tenz2346g so do I, I know Calgar is there
Facts i cant wait
@@CynicalChicken661there should be at least ONE mission where Guilliman just wrecks shop!
"Good intentions should not be punished" If the emp was more like G man, magnus wouldn't have fallen.
If magnus wasn't a moron Big E would probably forgive him.
@@Treasure_hunter_21I mean this whole thing could've been avoided if the Emperor just told his sons what he's up to. "Horus, i want to do this project, please keep your brother in check. Magnus, you will help me after I finished this project, in the meantime please just stay put. Lorgar, slap your sketchy son"
Angron also slap Logar's sketchy son the then take your bother home and morn.
If that was Perturabo
"WHATS THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN? ARE YOU TELLING ME I'M WRONG??? DECIMATION!! DECIMAAAATIOOON!!!"
I notice the difference between a lot of loyalists and traitor primarchs is humility. At different points Guilliman, Dorn, Chad-gatai and Corvus have shown a willingness to listen to their subordinates and even mortals
Angron had that about him too before the emperor turned him into a bastard
@@alexbrowne9566 sad knowing Guilimans mini empire was right next to Angron planet and could’ve got there before the emperor if he’d just expanded a little bit.
@@knightblade0188 yeah, I only found out recently nuceria was in those parts
@@alexbrowne9566 Yeah, Nuceria took the real him away from us.
@@zillafire101 yeah man. Right up to the end he was loyal to his human companions and never got over them. I sometimes like to theorise on what Angron would have been. We know he was meant to be the paladin archetype
Guillimom would be proud of him
Guilliman is just a super reasonable guy and i respect that a lot.
Basic Reasonability is almost a superpower in itself in the 40k.
@@LoneSilverW0lf right up there with jaghatais common sense
@@Yeshuah6
Which Guilliman also possesses.
Dude really needed to be taken of the board for 10 Millenia or else Warhammer would've never gotten this grimdark. Having good Parents really made him too powerful.
While it may sound cheesy it does make sense:
Your son trust your judgment and support your action? Good.
Your son is worried that you are making a mistake and came to warn you? Good.
Bobby G out here breaking the trauma cycle.
"My boy, no matter what you do, I am *_PROUD_* of your actions, thats how you got where you are in the first place”
Roboute Guilliman is a leader worth following, and a man worthy of admiration. Konor and Tarasha would be proud.
a good leader listens to the highest and the lowest equally then makes his choice
"good intentions should not be punished"
and somewhere, sometime out in the warp, this is when Magnus' remaining eye suddenly starts leaking for no reason.
Man, if I ever heard this from my own dad I would literally cry right there
I would be very confused and maybe try to reach some kind of secret service to report an alien bodysnatcher.
@@jasperzanovich2504 good point, also the word you are looking for would be "Inquisition."
Jaghatai didn't outright kill his sons when they betrayed the imperium in heresy. He listened to them. Well I mean he still punnished them with death but allowed them to go down with honour by making them go to a penetant crusade instead of out right execution. His sons tought that he would join horus so acted as such. He listened to them. I just love based primarchs like him and Roboute.
We love the War Hawk
G-man: "I caught you in a Catch-22. I would be pleased with you either way."
Guilliman actually gets back home with the milk.
He has returned after 10k years
I am convinced that roboute may actually dedicate some father/son moments here and there just to not have a mental breakdown from the state of the imperium
Wouldn’t blame him
@@knightblade0188 could be fun to read
@@knightblade0188 neither would I
There are many moments where guilliman’s interactions with his sons are incredibly wholesome. They all revere him as the demigod they were all told stories of after the heresy but he wants nothing more than for them to be his sons or even his friend.
Route has always been a stellar example of leadership. Truly an honorable standard to hold in such dark times. Makes me and my blood boys miss our Great Angel all the more.
very similar to the Emperor and Magnus, with Guilliman having the right reaction instead of the wrong one.
Guilliman's best trait is really his ability to be a good parent
To be fair, Magnus cocked up so horribly even he himself knew that it was *bad*
He's a good dad because of all the scars he has taken. He saw how Magnus was treated. He saw how aloof some primarchs were. He saw that it broke them and their legions and ultimately damned them.
“You were not angry that I came?”
Ironically this same moment happened between Malikith and Morathi.
Guilliman is a good dad indeed.
He had good parents too.
You just know Robute keeps all the birthday cards he gets from his sons.
Roboute has all of the dad energy the Emperor didn't.
Giloman, the Khan, and Sanguinius all have that kind of good dad vibe in really interesting and different ways.
I would argue that only two, maybe three primarchs can honestly own the title of “dad,” and Reboot Gemini stands among them.
I mean we all know Vulkan and Sanguineous are the other two, you don't have to be cagey.
@@Migolcow Okay, fine. Honestly, though, I wonder if the Lion will prove to be a better dad after sleeping on the rock that makes you old.
Corvus is a good dad too
@@vittorgama44 Corvus was a good dad... if you weren't born on terra. I'd be on the fence about him, but him being such a douche nozzle to the terran born vs actually putting in some effort to try and integrate and bring them into the fold pushes out of the 'good dad' group for me.
@@Stegouros-ellengassenApparently it makes you chill the fuck out a bit too.
Having a good adoptive parent is a superpower for these godlike being.
He's just like Superman. Both are pretty much blueberry boyscouts of their respective franchises
Let it be reminded that Guilliman wouldn’t be this great figure without the love and care of Konor and Euten
Bobby Guildingdan was just happy to finally find someone that won't grovel upon seeing him...
Magnus somewhere, while putting down the prospero times "I feel like someone just said something I needed to hear millennium ago, but I can tell it was someone I hate."
Magnus hating roboute no
Roboute was on his side at nikea
Roboute was furious at russ
"Good intentions should not be punished."
Paving the way for a Magnus-Guilliman reunion + redemption arc?
God, wouldn’t that be awesome? A long working redemption arc for each of the fallen Primarchs? Some would be easier than others, Fulgrim already has the groundwork laid out with the perfect Clone and I have no idea where to even start with Angron.
Unfortunately that would wildly break the status quo for the setting, so I kinda doubt it would actually happen.
That would be sick, although it seems beyond difficult for any demon Primarch to ever extricate themselves from their patron's control. Then again, what do I know as Big E claimed that Mortarion could be redeemed/saved?! Certainly feel sympathy for Magnus & Morty's plights before they fell... Perhaps good Magnus returns somehow or Big E excises the corruption like a cancer.
Guilliman was counted among those who supported Magnus during the trial. They're probably the two loyalist/chaos Primarchs with the least bad blood.
I meet people says to me " I know you have good intentions but.. "
I simply know that they don't want to hear your thoughts on the matter
When Gullimen says its ok and hear it out. That made me smile
Man is a good leader, always open to ideas and knows how to listen regardless of who you are. How he acts and how he treats his sons shows how well Tarasha raised him.
this probably obvious to most, but i really do see Guiliman replacing the emperor as his successor and leading the imperium to a new golden age. He honestly is humanities last real hope and salvation at this point
"Good intentions should not be punished." I get the feeling blue was thinking of red at that moment
"you are not angry i came?" damn it Slaanesh has corrupted my mind too much.
Honestly as a grown boy scout, Robert Gullyman is my absolute favorite primarch. I love every interaction i have ever read or heard about that he has been involved in and im glad he was the first primarch back.
It's good to see Robute G learning from Jimmy S' mistakes.
Whose jimmy s
@@grey8931 The Emperor.
Or Jimmy Space, and his Space Marines.
@@gigaus0 this is mysterious name we’ve given Big E?
bobby really said "i wont be my father, i will be better"
“Good intentions should not be punished.”
*Oh really? What about Magnus?*
Not even that…
*What about Lorgar?*
He was doing his best.
Guilliman is not the Emperor (or his dog); for better and for worse.
@@NotShoelessJoeI mean, that was the Emperor’s doing
He cheated at chess.
Just because you have good intentions doesn't mean your actions are benevolent for the rest. If the daddy says something is bad and you should stay away from that, you should do as he said.
"gullimans smile was evident in his voice" after he proceeded to give the most gutteral grunt response I've heard today.
Guilliman decided to listen to his son’s advice after ultramarine sergeant Thiel from the Horus Heresy. To summarize. He was censured by Gulliman for having his men run hypothetical scenarios where they would fight other astartes. He was made to wear a red helmet as a sign of his punishment, but after the Heresy, the red helmet was changed to mean the helmet of a sergeant in honor of Thiel.
Basically telling whatever he had done, whether voice disagreement or not, he would still be a valued son
Konor Guilliman taught his boy well.
"Good intentions should not be punished" *Magnus's screams heard faintly on the wind".
That last bit felt a little pointed
“Good intentions should never be punished” Tell that to Magnus lmao
“I know I’m gonna get my ass kicked for this, but someone’s gotta tell dad this is a bad idea”
"Good intentions should not be punished." Huh, guess someone should tell that to Magnus’s broken spine then.
Gman is the most loving father, second only to Vulkan
That being said, Vulkan would likely say Gulliman is better than him
Robby G: that’s not just going on the fridge, that’s something we’re going to think on
THIS type of stuff is why I'm in BroLove with Bobby, Khan & Corvus. Lead from the front, shepherd your lads. Good fathers are essential.
It is almost as if he had a positive , smart and caring guiding figure in his formative years , instead of growing as a feral child
Perhaps the galaxy needs a Father more than an Emperor!
What a kind way for Guilliman to say “I know what you’re about to say and have already considered it”
Meanwhile it took the Lion having his world blow up and getting into a 10k year long Coma to realize he’s a shit father who feels bad for killing that one Astartes who defied him when it came to psykers
Damn right
"good intentions should never be punished"
we as humanity could really benefit from implementing this.
At the end of the interrogation Ionan Grud the Grey Knight basically turns around and tells him he won't ever do it again and bounced along with his ship and Guilliman basically just doesn't even question it and lets him walk off. I hope we see Ionan Grud again, he was cool, beat the crap out of Typhus, leaves Guilliman hanging and is never seen again
I fucking love guilliman. He's the only one that really feels like a person, rather then a Great Man
Call me nuts if you want, but I personally think Guilliman is actually superior to the Emperor, just in the sheer fact that the former knows what it means and what it's like to be truly human.
Meanwhile Magnus :
"How was I not treated the same ?!"
Damn, this hurts my soul.
'Good intentions should not be punished...'
Tell that to the inhabitants of Monarchia.
He’s the father he wishes the Emperor was.
Gilliman out here breaking the cycle of abuse
People often forget that guilliman, for all his faults and flaws, is arguably the most relatable primarch coz he has no special powers like his brothers.. he's the everyman of the primarchs.. he's not speed like the khan, he's not a forest walker like the lion, he's not shadow like corax, he's not an angel like sanguinius, he's not a monstrous melee fighter like russ.. he's just a man.. granted a gigantic "demigod" of a man but compared to his more gifted brothers essentially just a man whose only gifts are his parents and a good soul.. he does his best, falls but gets back up again despite the pain and anguish he feels thinking he's all the imperium's got left to bring it back from the brink.. i wish the lion would hurry and just forestwalk into macragge..
"Good intentions should not be punished."
Magnus: And I took that personally.