TRIPLE HEADING CLASS 91s WITH HORN! - The Last LNER Class 91s to go for Storage - 28/01/21
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- The first outing of 2021 was a bit of a strange one. Contrary to standard practice, I ventured out to see the last of LNER's Class 91 locomotives - specifically 91130 'Lord Mayor of Newcastle', 91106 and 91119 'Bounds Green INTERCITY Depot 1977-2017', along with 1 Mk4 coach and Class 82 DVT 82205 with 'Flying Scotswoman' vinyls - make their way from Bounds Green TRSMD in North London to Neville Hill TRSMD in Leeds.
With the Class 91s having been around for longer than I can remember, I felt I had to capture the last 3 of the 31-strong class be sent away for storage after withdrawals began 18 months earlier; the Class 91 and Mk4 sets' diagrams dwindling with the introduction of LNER's new Hitachi Azumas. The Class 91s had been intended to be in passenger service until the end of February 2021, however, the 3rd national lockdown rendered them surplus to requirement, leading LNER to cut the diagrams 6 weeks early from 15th January, sending the remaining members of the class into warm storage.
LNER are to retain 10 of the Class 91s until 2023 with the potential for them carrying on into 2024. The class are due to have their bogies overhauled at Doncaster Works before they're to re-enter traffic in the Summer of 2021 once the overhauls on the bogies are completed and the engineering works at Kings Cross station are finished.
Onto the action now; the triple header is seen at Arlesey, along one of the racing stretches of the Southern half of the ECML. A Class 700 unit is seen leaving the station before the Electras come rolling along on the Down Fast line. 3 short and sharp blasts on 91130's 3 chime horn signal its imminent approach as she leads 91106 and 91119 North through the station at 78.4mph, a far cry from the 161.7mph record set by 91110 in September 1989.
Hopefully it won't be too long before the Class 91s are back thrashing their way up and down the ECML in revenue earning service Even though it isn't the usual steam/heritage traction featured on the channel, the 91s are a bit special to me, as they're the trains I grew up watching from a very young age.
Filmed on a Panansonic TZ70 and TZ30.
Enjoy.
Great catch and I'm glad they're back in full service again
0:53 I love the distant echo... sounds... mysterious... Great Catch!
Thank you very much. The 800s have got nothing on the Class 91's horn! I hope you enjoyed the video
Where does the time go? Only seems like yesterday when the 91s were new!
And at some point in the future there will be some who will lament the passing of the Class 800s...
I really will not care when the 800’s get retired 😂
U guys not know that people said the hst and 91 sucked because they were replacing the Deltics. now you guys re grieving hst/91 who are now being replaced by hitachi 800/801’s?
@@Milepost90.25 Aye, these trains are what our dads thought of steam trains, Class 800s are what are dads think of 91s.
Brilliant catch!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Its sad to see them go.
When new, weren't they nicknamed Intercity 225 as in 225kph? I believe that's about 140mph but the line speed was never raised to allow it.
100% accurate. Its widely documented that 91110 (91010 as she was at the time) reached 161.7mph in preparation for the 140mph (225kph) service. Then I think BR decided that for any services above 125mph, in-cab signalling was required, as per the French TGV.
So Network Rail's East Coast Upgrade should see 140mph services on the first 100 miles (Kings Cross to Stoke Tunnel - 5 miles South of Grantham) as part of the upgrade involves the introduction of in-cab signalling.
I hope you enjoyed the video.
@@Milepost90.25 So you're saying...with a bit of modification, the 91's could work on HS1?
@@russellgxy2905 Absolutely not! You said it not me.
When 91110 (91010) set the 161.7mph record, the train was a shortened rake of 5 coaches + DVT. Also, the age of the locos and carriage sets aren't in their favour for reuse on such a high speed line like HS1 even if they may have been designed for 'reasonably' high speeds.
LNER's planned use of these until 2024 conveniently coincides with the banning of all non-in-cab signalled rolling stock in 2025 on the section from Kings Cross to Stoke Tunnel; BR not fitting in-cab signalling into the 91s in the 1990s indicates that they didn't see the potential reward for all the effort in converting them, what would the benefit be now when they're 30 years older?...
I thought it was the official name, not a nickname, for complete trains including the loco and cars and DVT? And yes it says clearly in places like Wikipedia that they are designed for 140mph.
@@Milepost90.25 Commuter trains on HS1 are javelins that do 140 mph top aren't they? So I would have thought it wouldn't be as blatantly impossible as you make out if they had in cab signalling? I'm not sure why you are offended?
Love it!! It's like a full size train set where you could make up a train like that 🤣🤣😂😂😁😁
I hadn't thought of that before. What a great idea! I hope you enjoyed the video.
@@Milepost90.25 Your video was amazing! It was nice seeing the old livery on one of them there. Thanks for sharing. 😃
@@toddhunter3137 Thank you very much Todd.
I ended up travelling to Leeds from Stevenage last Sat on the Battle of Britain livery. Definitely got a lot of people's interest around Doncaster Station . Back bone of LNER .
I believe a few of the 91s are currently stored as spares outside Doncaster Works. Very cool to have been on 91110, the speed record holder! I hope you enjoyed the video.
Gonna miss these.
Me too. I've yet to know anyone who is happy to see the back of the 91s. I hope you enjoyed the video.
I love the 91
A question - i seem to remember (from somewhere) the 91`s were re boggied with 125mph bogies as the 140mph were not as `good` for the slower speeds? Would that mean that possibly a set of 140 mph bogies are stored somewhere , in case a 91 with cab signalling could take a blast on the high speed tracks?
Your guess is as good as mine! This is all new information to me Simon, but very interesting. I suppose the 140mph bogies may have been stored but you could also argue that they may have been thrown away and scrapped as BR could have thought if these are just to be 125mph locos, why keep some bogies to sit and rust...? I don't know Simon, but still a very interesting little piece of information.
No, the locos and stock were set up to be capable of 140mph from new, what was needed was cab signalling that never happened. No new bogies, not even repeating. With regular 140mph running it might have turned out that something minor like damper settings needed revision, but that's about it.
91119 is my favourite Class 91.
91100
Is this when the Class 90 DB's took over the service (as a replacement) for a while? Did they need to be refitted to work with the Mk4 DVT's?
DB's 90s had been working the diagrams prior to this, I believe even before the 800s were introduced. I'm not sure if the Class 90s needed any retrofitting to work Mk4s. Sorry I can't be of more help. I hope you enjoyed the video.
That was iconic
Yes it was, yes they were. Glad you enjoyed it.
I find it bizarre that good, modern locos come and go, while absolutely ancient old crap persists on short-haul local routes around Yorkshire
It's almost a philosophy of, "if it ain't broke, DO fix it" and vice versa
Cough pacer cough cough but no they are also gone
Well, the 91s are 40 years old, whilst also being high speed capable trains, way better than the class 395 javelins and just as fast, they should have honestly moved them onto HS1 and they would do a much better job whilst having the same speed (140 MPH)
WAIT WHATTTTT… THE 91 HAVE BEEN RETIREDDDDD????? THATS WHY I DIDN’T SEE ANY YESTERDAY AT HADLEY WOOD 👁👄👁 😭😭
Alas, the end is nigh for the 91s. I hope you enjoyed the video.
Actually, the 91s will be coming back this summer after upgrades at Kings Cross are complete
@@yeahman70 POG
@@allthingstrainzyt1095 Oh, apparently they just went back in service now, they are back :)
Not all of them 5 were scrapped 12 were planned to remain in service but as the azumas are having issues the 91s will stay in service
I was looking forward to seeing a 91 on freight but with the coming of the 88's it doesn't look likely anyone would take them on.Nobody is going to use a pure electric loco when they can get the extra mile diesel bit thrown in plus there's a load of 90's and 92's hanging around too although the 92's aren't as sleek as the 90's and 91's....an electric 60!
I agree; 91s on freight would be interesting, especially as then it would see them fulfil their original purpose as a mixed traffic engine. Although they're currently living out a bit of a reprieve, I reckon this will last for another 2 or 3 years, if we're lucky, before the scrap man starts calling. I hope you enjoyed the video.
Well, obviously they came back but think theyre going soon. Hope 91119 gets preserved
Yes. I'm not sure if the 91s will be fitted with ETCS/ERTMS. If not, they'll be restricted to north of Grantham from 2025. We shall have to wait and see! I hope you enjoyed the video.
@@Milepost90.25 whats happening at grantham and also, what is etcs?
@@ThePennineWanderer The ECML is having the first 100 miles upgraded to have ETCS signalling in place. From Stoke Jn, 5 miles south of Grantham, all trains must be fitted with ETCS because the traditional lineside signalling will no longer be there.
ETCS is European Train Control System. It is a form of in-cab signalling. The main difference with this system compared to regular block signalling is that each train has its own moving block section behind it. This means that more trains can be squeezed together onto the same bit of the network than with regular block signalling.
I hope this answers your questions.
@@Milepost90.25so would that allow them to run at 140?
@@ThePennineWanderer If the Class 91s were retrofitted with ETCS, then yes they would be permitted to run at 140mph.
And what makes it worse , is that they're getting replaced by a hideous class 801
Yeah D:
They're not hideous I HATE YOU YOU'RE SUCH A MONSTER FOR DISRESPECTING A TRAIN
@@slaycattrains They are hideous compared to the Class 91!
@@slaycattrains chill out man
@@slaycattrains and dont call me a monster
It ain’t the last time they coming back in the summer and they be in service to 2024
I made note of this in the video description, but thanks for confirming it.
In scotland too?
@@jasongillblox I would have thought across the entire ECML given they are intercity trains.
Nice
Thank you, much appreciated.
No i saw a class 91 today at outwood
This is pure speculation - seems as though it was running from Doncaster to Leeds for storage with the other 91s at Neville Hill
Yay that plastic shit is gone 😁