As an engineer and a budding sim-racer, I think this is my favorite video of yours so far. It perfectly toes the line of technical explanation and real meaning for the adjustments without becoming an hour long tuning course. Great stuff Scott! I've got some new things to think about while tweaking my car in ACC. Speaking of which, please show ACC some more love on Trophi! Especially the Huracan Evo 2 😉
Common misconception in here about the effect of camber on contact patch area. Camber doesn't affect TOTAL contact patch area. Contact patch area is simply a function of tire pressure and load (weight). So a tire inflated to 20 psi supporting a 400 lb load will have a contact patch area of 20 square inches regardless of camber. Camber affects the SHAPE of the contact patch and therefore the distribution of stresses within the contact patch which can have a large effect on grip. Otherwise brilliant presentation!
Dude, this is a travesty. This is the best video explaining suspension tuning in racing cars, but the title you choose doesn't do it justice. UPGRADE THE TITLE OF THIS GREAT VIDEO. This is as simple as "suspension tuning explained using F1 as an example". Cannot believe you are making that mistake. Such an easy way to get the algorithm to promote your video/channel.
@@TheGameCritc His whole identity is that he was in F1 and gets angry if anyone doesn't take his word as law because were all nobodies compared to him. Ive seen 2 different times someone questioned something hes said and he screenshots the comment post it to his twitter following who then come back to the comment and harass the poster and after i saw that i blocked him here and on twitter
@@Don_Rodrigo44I always hide people's usernames and never incite harassment. When people who have a 5 minute Wikipedia degree start sh*t posting me, I'll dig in 😂
So glad to see a collaboration between my two favourite motorsports content creators! I’d love to see more technical explanations from the two of you! Keep up the great work guys!
Funny but long story My weekend warriors suspension is completely adjustable (ride height, camber, caster, toe) and I spent a good month every weekend dialing it in. Every time my neighbor would come out and say “you broke something again”, even after I clearly explained it to him. And he wasn’t joking or being pedantic he literally couldn’t understand it. Flew straight over his head every time. The chick across the street understood perfectly, even his wife got it. He just doesn’t get cars and how they can be your passion. He would tell me “You must hate having to do that” when all I hated was him…. Lol
It's like reading a book and someone keeps asking if you're doing homework because nobody could read books for fun that's hard work... Like nah fam, I just have an IQ over 70 and I like to keep it that way.
They have reverse Ackerman front geometry because of weight transfer meaning the outside wheel can stand more slip angle. They aren't designed to be driven slowly 😊
I play 2 mobile tacing sims and yhe drift focused one has tire wer simulation, some setups definitely wear lower than others. Good thing they added time attack mode recently I can test these parameters there.
brrrake just told us that AM’s performance drop was due to the flexi wing TD, but then they reverted back to their old aero package and got fast again. Whoops.
So this is why Ferrari can have a great pace but burn up tires. They sacrificed tire longevity for higher grip to keep up where red bull needs less camber to keep the same grip with their overall better design, aero and setup.
Glad you guys crossed over with Brraakkee or however he spells it. He seems like a great guy with a ton of technical and analytical knowledge of F1 cars. I’d love to see him be successful in this
Scott, what about a series about the pitfalls and idiosyncrasies of the current F1 tracks? After this weekend I imagine there will be a lot of things to talk about from LosVegas.
Average drivers know almost NOTHING about how a car is moving. Stability? They take it for granted. Braking? They rely on anti lock systems. They can't drive themselves!
Scott, I love your technological insights. My father introduced me to motorsport as a young child. However, he was a romantic and a bit halcyon about the grand prix he attended. I am always interested how cars work and not necessarily how good the driver is.
This is a particularly good video, a topic I don't think some of more recent F1 fans understand. All those mechanics swarming over the car during practice and qualifying have a lot more to do than placing the cooling fans and wiping the car with a polishing cloth. I think there's a tendency to think they drive nearly the same car at all times, or maybe they set it all up at the shop using simulator data and just run it that way. That's never going to be the case. The simulator isn't perfect, it's just close. It can't know exactly how the pavement aged over the last year, fully incorporate any pavement heaving or new patches that occurred since their last visit, or deal with normal variations in temperature, humidity, or the likelihood of rain.
It's annoying to me that toe is commonly stated as a length dimension instead (millimeters) of an angular dimension (degrees). WHERE is the length measured? Where is the measurement relative to? Degrees doesn't need any explanations...millimeters does.
2 seats is close to a actual car but it is a feeling to that of God given natural frequency or unnatural neuralink frequency causing a overload in frequency causing situations within civilization and well beings.
Just want to come here and say that if you dont know shit about art, probably be more caucious about investing in them. They are some of the least liquid asset class out there.
Just as a train has its steel wheels set on an angle on the railroad tracks so it will go straight but if you put the wheels square on the they will go into themselves
As an mech eng student in Germany, trying to compete in Formula Student, this was extremely helpful. It fits well into our lectures and gives me some pretty important english technical terms!
@@Mercenaryow I'll answer to that in english so our fellow readers can understand this :D Formula Student is an engineering-design competition where students of the technical faculties design, build and race a formula style car.
That's nice to see, I am also a student in Germany working in a Formula student team, it's nice to see other formula student members watching the same videos !! Also might I ask which team you are currently in ?
It is honestly a shame how little wiggle room for adjustments related to the tires the teams actually have. With how tire development has progressed to try to provide maximum durability and consistency, it really has killed the unpredictability of tire strategy during the races.
That’s what you get with a single make in a high level series. There’s no competition so tire makers do what they want and blame the teams if there’s a problem. Rather than design a tire that works with what the teams want they’re designing tires for what they want and making the teams try to figure it out.
That former RedBull engineer Blake whatever has such an annoying voice. He emphasizes "P's". way too much. It sounds like he's trying too hard to sound articulate. Cringe!!
Finally we talk about settings. People only praise drivers and know NOTHING about how the car works and that this is actually a team sport. All of these settings (that you can easily get wrong) play a massive role that can decide a race (by tyre wear, slow-speed corners, grip ...). And yet even the F1 commentators only say "Lewis wasn't feeling it today".
We use to run our back wheel out of line, Toe to the right on speedway bikes, to keep the bike straight, when conering/keep the bike running in line...... 👍🏁🇬🇧 Although on speedway, we only turn left! Lol 😂
quick math 800kg*5g/4 each tire with contact patch the size of your palm is actually pushing the road ~1000kg towards the outside of the turn (and same reactive force tranfered to the car towards the inside)!
Anyone can change the toe settings in their own car and experience the effect themselves. Quicker turn in or stability vs tire wear. Of course camber and caster. Rather than spending thousands on mods, a simple wheel alignment adjustment can do wonders for performance. Unless you go nuts with it and make everything worse.
I loved this video! As someone subscribed to Blake’s fraudulent podcast(s) and his extra website goodies, this was really excellent. He is so knowledgeable. I hope the two of you collab again!
I look at this as a Forza sim player. The whole tuning the suspension was paramount to building a great car. You wanted to build as much mechanical grip as possible without applying to much downforce slowing the car. I’d spend hours watching the heating across the tires when at track speeds. Next was how compliant the suspension was. Getting the bump rate was pretty straight forward but getting the rebound rate was much more complicated. When you hit the sweet spot the car would be a pleasure to drive.
Very interesting! But what confused me a bit was the fact that he was american or talked like an american I mean I was expecting a british accent since many or majority of people seem to be british on most F1 teams. I understand why they are there but I feel the tyre supplier shouldn't tell the teams how they should setup the car. I mean it almost become the case when Pirelli has their min. tyre pressure, camber etc.
I love this channel but can I make a tiny suggestion. I find it exhausting the way that the audio is edited so that there is no pause whatsoever. I think it's more enjoyable and easier to absorb the information if you don't edit out the tiny pause when the narrator needs to breath.
Toe in and toe out increases grip due to the scrubbing effect. The maximum grip occurs just before the tyre slips it’s known as the slip stick effect .
What if there was a way for your wheels to automatically adjust the camber angle to maximize grip, improving acceleration, breaking, corning all while extending tire life and improving fuel economy?
The total weight added to the car would be very minor. The angle adjustment would be calculated by and onboard computer weighing less than a smart phone. I'm the patent owner this concept.@@12th.jahlil
Thanks Scott, this is perfect for dabblers like me and an ideal jumping off point for my mate Dave who is going deep into the Sim Racing rabbit hole Saved for future reference. 😎
Love these videos and perfect timing. Still play Grand Prix 4 which helped me learn so many setup best practices before I even really understood the concepts behind them. Looking to finally upgrade to newer sims soon and many have additional things like pressure and camber to contend with so this will be going into the favourites!
Toe has an aero effect. Toe in increases the wake on the inboard part of the wheel, toe out reduces it. Of course for the effects to be significant you have to run like 5 degrees of toe, not realistic or practical. Outwash inboard of the wheel does the same thing as geometric toe out from an aerodynamic sense.
This was a great explanation of the various suspension settings on these cars. I’ve always wondered how they are able to get it set back up correctly when a driver destroys a corner and all of those parts need to be replaced. It’s not like you ever see them doing an alignment in the garage.
Interesting that they typically run toe out at the front. Can anyone tell me whether they use Anti-ackerman steering geometry to reduce that toe out with steering angle?
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As an engineer and a budding sim-racer, I think this is my favorite video of yours so far. It perfectly toes the line of technical explanation and real meaning for the adjustments without becoming an hour long tuning course.
Great stuff Scott! I've got some new things to think about while tweaking my car in ACC. Speaking of which, please show ACC some more love on Trophi! Especially the Huracan Evo 2 😉
Common misconception in here about the effect of camber on contact patch area. Camber doesn't affect TOTAL contact patch area. Contact patch area is simply a function of tire pressure and load (weight). So a tire inflated to 20 psi supporting a 400 lb load will have a contact patch area of 20 square inches regardless of camber. Camber affects the SHAPE of the contact patch and therefore the distribution of stresses within the contact patch which can have a large effect on grip. Otherwise brilliant presentation!
im an engineering student and want to have a job in motorsport but too bad we're at a different part of the globe
3:03 He said zero at the rear going over bumps, not zero static ride height. Your analysis of what he said after that is factually incorrect.
The contact patch is really only the area of your palm? Isn't that less than a typical street tire?
Just found out about this as well. Wonder how small the patch is for old grooved tyres
Hi, I identify as a F1 wheel.
More videos with blake please
Brrrake sounds like atozy
This was great
Dude, this is a travesty. This is the best video explaining suspension tuning in racing cars, but the title you choose doesn't do it justice.
UPGRADE THE TITLE OF THIS GREAT VIDEO. This is as simple as "suspension tuning explained using F1 as an example".
Cannot believe you are making that mistake. Such an easy way to get the algorithm to promote your video/channel.
was excited to watch till i saw it featured brake.
gonna have to pass and catch you on the next one
Can I be a little cheeky and ask why?
@@TheGameCritc His whole identity is that he was in F1 and gets angry if anyone doesn't take his word as law because were all nobodies compared to him. Ive seen 2 different times someone questioned something hes said and he screenshots the comment post it to his twitter following who then come back to the comment and harass the poster and after i saw that i blocked him here and on twitter
@@Don_Rodrigo44I always hide people's usernames and never incite harassment. When people who have a 5 minute Wikipedia degree start sh*t posting me, I'll dig in 😂
Waste .
So glad to see a collaboration between my two favourite motorsports content creators! I’d love to see more technical explanations from the two of you! Keep up the great work guys!
I was not expecting Verstappen's former engineer to be an American.... That was weird.
toenails ( pretend this is funny and like the comment)
no
@@yusufk6712how dare you
😂😂, such a great joke, dont think people are can understand this joke. Great one tho
Most people seeing that joke: whoosh
😂
Mercedes W11 has something to say about that
LOL 😂
Funny but long story My weekend warriors suspension is completely adjustable (ride height, camber, caster, toe) and I spent a good month every weekend dialing it in. Every time my neighbor would come out and say “you broke something again”, even after I clearly explained it to him. And he wasn’t joking or being pedantic he literally couldn’t understand it. Flew straight over his head every time. The chick across the street understood perfectly, even his wife got it. He just doesn’t get cars and how they can be your passion. He would tell me “You must hate having to do that” when all I hated was him…. Lol
It's like reading a book and someone keeps asking if you're doing homework because nobody could read books for fun that's hard work... Like nah fam, I just have an IQ over 70 and I like to keep it that way.
> a good month every weekend
lol
@@KevinJDildonik yeah you know a month so 30 days but just on weekends, so 30/2.
Edit: I didn’t graduate college, I grew up poor. Lol
Lower tyre pressure and the resulting extra tyre flex also helps (and hinders, depending on the situation) in building tyre temp
Wheels aren't straight, they are cylindrical
They have reverse Ackerman front geometry because of weight transfer meaning the outside wheel can stand more slip angle. They aren't designed to be driven slowly 😊
I play 2 mobile tacing sims and yhe drift focused one has tire wer simulation, some setups definitely wear lower than others. Good thing they added time attack mode recently I can test these parameters there.
brrrake just told us that AM’s performance drop was due to the flexi wing TD, but then they reverted back to their old aero package and got fast again. Whoops.
So this is why Ferrari can have a great pace but burn up tires. They sacrificed tire longevity for higher grip to keep up where red bull needs less camber to keep the same grip with their overall better design, aero and setup.
I already knew why Lance's wheels are always facing in different directions but thanks for the vid
Some towards the wall and the other rolling down the track
Glad you guys crossed over with Brraakkee or however he spells it. He seems like a great guy with a ton of technical and analytical knowledge of F1 cars. I’d love to see him be successful in this
Scott, what about a series about the pitfalls and idiosyncrasies of the current F1 tracks? After this weekend I imagine there will be a lot of things to talk about from LosVegas.
Average drivers know almost NOTHING about how a car is moving. Stability? They take it for granted. Braking? They rely on anti lock systems. They can't drive themselves!
Scott, I love your technological insights. My father introduced me to motorsport as a young child. However, he was a romantic and a bit halcyon about the grand prix he attended. I am always interested how cars work and not necessarily how good the driver is.
If the wheels arent straight, it wont turn. Wheels are round. you so silly
Why is the side-skirt at 12:45 censored out?
This is a particularly good video, a topic I don't think some of more recent F1 fans understand. All those mechanics swarming over the car during practice and qualifying have a lot more to do than placing the cooling fans and wiping the car with a polishing cloth. I think there's a tendency to think they drive nearly the same car at all times, or maybe they set it all up at the shop using simulator data and just run it that way. That's never going to be the case. The simulator isn't perfect, it's just close. It can't know exactly how the pavement aged over the last year, fully incorporate any pavement heaving or new patches that occurred since their last visit, or deal with normal variations in temperature, humidity, or the likelihood of rain.
Conclusion : setting up an F1 is very complex, fortunately Pirelli gives you very few margins to play with.
It's annoying to me that toe is commonly stated as a length dimension instead (millimeters) of an angular dimension (degrees). WHERE is the length measured? Where is the measurement relative to? Degrees doesn't need any explanations...millimeters does.
You are one of the the best and combined with Blake...$$$
Why are shocks never discussed? In my racing experience I found the shocks have a profound effect on handling.
They would go faster if they could get the wheels straight. A common wheel alignment for around £100 would fix it for most cars.
But I though wheels were roundish.
Work on the click bait titles. How about "caster, toe, and camber oh my."
2 seats is close to a actual car but it is a feeling to that of God given natural frequency or unnatural neuralink frequency causing a overload in frequency causing situations within civilization and well beings.
The loss of of what? From times races to run to have chances causes im coming by knowing. This so beyond mosts understanding
Fantastic video; very informative. I went and gave this dude a sub (the Texas flag being just a bonus).
Just want to come here and say that if you dont know shit about art, probably be more caucious about investing in them. They are some of the least liquid asset class out there.
Great collab, I have been watching his channel from time to time :).
Vote 1 for Scott to drive the Bloodhound LSR. C'mon big guy step up. 😊
Speaking of high cars.....I drove a Vauxhall Zafira VXR around Thruxton once. The front tyres deserved a mention in dispatches.
Which racing series uses straight aligned wheels? i'd be interested - I 've never seen racing car wheels aligned straight !
Just as a train has its steel wheels set on an angle on the railroad tracks so it will go straight but if you put the wheels square on the they will go into themselves
Straight lines the causes for the wings at topend to keep ground. 3 wires and natural order.
btw perez is pronounced pehres (pehreth if he was spanish instead of mexican)
MasterWorks is going to turn out to be a scam. Mark my words.
Absolutely love these sorts of videos. 👍🤙 Totally nerd out for 16 minutes. 😆
I had my slalom car set-up with toe-out. Faster "turn-in"
This Explains it Very Clearly
A collab a I didn't know I needed.
Awesome content.
I still do not understand how to out gives you more bite when the weight is going to be over the outside wheel more.
Tire Pressure is like the A and O of Motor Racing
Have you realised that you repeat a lot the same, the same could be said in half video
As an mech eng student in Germany, trying to compete in Formula Student, this was extremely helpful. It fits well into our lectures and gives me some pretty important english technical terms!
Was ist Formula Student?
@@Mercenaryow I'll answer to that in english so our fellow readers can understand this :D Formula Student is an engineering-design competition where students of the technical faculties design, build and race a formula style car.
@@battlebooms6429 cool! I didn't realise there was such a thing. But of course, engineers also need new blood. I wish you every success there!
@@Mercenaryow Thanks very much!
That's nice to see, I am also a student in Germany working in a Formula student team, it's nice to see other formula student members watching the same videos !! Also might I ask which team you are currently in ?
Every car is an "aero" car, but not every car uses it well.
This is the video in needed as a kid playing gran turismo
It is honestly a shame how little wiggle room for adjustments related to the tires the teams actually have. With how tire development has progressed to try to provide maximum durability and consistency, it really has killed the unpredictability of tire strategy during the races.
In part this is a safety issue. Too low tire pressures can be faster and yet cause damage to the tires leading to failures.
That’s what you get with a single make in a high level series. There’s no competition so tire makers do what they want and blame the teams if there’s a problem.
Rather than design a tire that works with what the teams want they’re designing tires for what they want and making the teams try to figure it out.
😉 maybe AMG got rid of Hamilton and Toto
That former RedBull engineer Blake whatever has such an annoying voice. He emphasizes "P's". way too much. It sounds like he's trying too hard to sound articulate.
Cringe!!
Don't take sponsorships from Masterworks.
Finally we talk about settings. People only praise drivers and know NOTHING about how the car works and that this is actually a team sport. All of these settings (that you can easily get wrong) play a massive role that can decide a race (by tyre wear, slow-speed corners, grip ...). And yet even the F1 commentators only say "Lewis wasn't feeling it today".
We use to run our back wheel out of line, Toe to the right on speedway bikes, to keep the bike straight, when conering/keep the bike running in line...... 👍🏁🇬🇧 Although on speedway, we only turn left! Lol 😂
quick math 800kg*5g/4 each tire with contact patch the size of your palm is actually pushing the road ~1000kg towards the outside of the turn (and same reactive force tranfered to the car towards the inside)!
I was just about to ask about Front Anti-Dive and Rear Anti-Squat!! And Push - Pull rod systems... and there it was in the last minute!! Thanks
Why or Where is MIT in chassis builds
Spreading the load.....
Got it.
Anyone can change the toe settings in their own car and experience the effect themselves. Quicker turn in or stability vs tire wear. Of course camber and caster. Rather than spending thousands on mods, a simple wheel alignment adjustment can do wonders for performance. Unless you go nuts with it and make everything worse.
I loved this video! As someone subscribed to Blake’s fraudulent podcast(s) and his extra website goodies, this was really excellent. He is so knowledgeable. I hope the two of you collab again!
I look at this as a Forza sim player. The whole tuning the suspension was paramount to building a great car. You wanted to build as much mechanical grip as possible without applying to much downforce slowing the car. I’d spend hours watching the heating across the tires when at track speeds. Next was how compliant the suspension was. Getting the bump rate was pretty straight forward but getting the rebound rate was much more complicated. When you hit the sweet spot the car would be a pleasure to drive.
i dont like many videos, this one got one.
Great video, dislike because of masterworks very shady company. Cmon I hope youre better than that.
Man you could've easily just made a video about the toe-in/out and covered the title. But this was really in-depth and really interesting, thanks!
Far Early , Benz F1 car can adjust toe in/out while racing by push down & pull up the steering wheel❓
Very interesting!
But what confused me a bit was the fact that he was american or talked like an american I mean I was expecting a british accent since many or majority of people seem to be british on most F1 teams.
I understand why they are there but I feel the tyre supplier shouldn't tell the teams how they should setup the car. I mean it almost become the case when Pirelli has their min. tyre pressure, camber etc.
Short answer: Because corners!
Good Deep dive guys. This is quite a deep subject as much of it is largely to do with rider/driver preferance.
Do some drivers ever prefer understeer?
I love this channel but can I make a tiny suggestion. I find it exhausting the way that the audio is edited so that there is no pause whatsoever. I think it's more enjoyable and easier to absorb the information if you don't edit out the tiny pause when the narrator needs to breath.
MAX VERSTAPPEN WINS AGAIN!!!!!
Toe in and toe out increases grip due to the scrubbing effect. The maximum grip occurs just before the tyre slips it’s known as the slip stick effect .
I would like you to break down the driving style of your dad, and his way of setting up the car. That would be such a treat…
Very interesting, thanks 👍
Women the reason for postions.
What if there was a way for your wheels to automatically adjust the camber angle to maximize grip, improving acceleration, breaking, corning all while extending tire life and improving fuel economy?
That's active suspension
That level of active adjustment isnt even made, itd most likely weight alot though, it might be slower then manually setting it up
@@dsdy1205 I dont think that impacts camber. Just damping and spring rate i believe
The total weight added to the car would be very minor. The angle adjustment would be calculated by and onboard computer weighing less than a smart phone. I'm the patent owner this concept.@@12th.jahlil
Thanks Scott, this is perfect for dabblers like me and an ideal jumping off point for my mate Dave who is going deep into the Sim Racing rabbit hole
Saved for future reference. 😎
as someone that learned skiing on straight planks.... That sounds like the difference between those old old straight skis compared to carving-skis.
Why is this more informative then my actual works training back when I was learning alignments 😅.
Love these videos and perfect timing. Still play Grand Prix 4 which helped me learn so many setup best practices before I even really understood the concepts behind them. Looking to finally upgrade to newer sims soon and many have additional things like pressure and camber to contend with so this will be going into the favourites!
moral of the story F1 mechanics have to be ....Einstein !!😵💫
Toe has an aero effect. Toe in increases the wake on the inboard part of the wheel, toe out reduces it. Of course for the effects to be significant you have to run like 5 degrees of toe, not realistic or practical. Outwash inboard of the wheel does the same thing as geometric toe out from an aerodynamic sense.
Sometimes the camber like in brazil is super visible or spa...it even looks funny
Car racing is dumb!
This was a great explanation of the various suspension settings on these cars. I’ve always wondered how they are able to get it set back up correctly when a driver destroys a corner and all of those parts need to be replaced. It’s not like you ever see them doing an alignment in the garage.
This is mega it helped me alot and please we want more car setup videos please ......... thanks🙏🐐
So F1 wheels are gay
Thank you very much for this video! Amazing !
Interesting that they typically run toe out at the front. Can anyone tell me whether they use Anti-ackerman steering geometry to reduce that toe out with steering angle?