Fred Couples Power Impact Move Will Make You a Great Golfer - Nothing Else Matters!
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2023
- No matter what your golf swing looks like, if you do this move, you will play great golf. Fred Couples swing has a ton of variables, but when he gets into his downswing, he does this very powerful move that makes ball striking automatic. You could have the craziest golf swing on the planet BUT if you can get into this position, you are guaranteed to play great golf. It is one of the best ball striking keys.
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It should also be noted that Couples flares out his front lead foot, which allows for easier body rotation during his down-swing and follow-through.
His long, pronounced follow-through also gives an indication as to just how much lag and club head speed he generates at the very last instant just before the moment of impact with the ball, which creates an optical illusion to the human observer that he is not even physically trying hard when he takes his shot.
Everything happens so quickly in real time that it's impossible for the human eye to figure out exactly what Couples just executed and how he did it, aside from the fact that it looks like such elegant and graceful perfection.
Even for short range wedge shots, Couples still looks like he takes a full swing with the club, but It's like he varies his club head speed upon command to achieve the yardage distance he is looking for, by mechanically decelerating or restraining the level of force he applies during his down-swing before he cleanly clips the ball.
It is often said that there is a fine line between genius and insanity, but in Couples' case, it's definitely like watching poetry in motion.
While it is indeed lovely to watch, the athleticism required to successfully and repeatedly execute his motion borders on the realm of superhuman! Despite all those variables Fred has to coordinate, the fact that he ultimately manages to get himself into that optimal position in the downswing is a testament to his tremendous talent, and it offers further proof that this "tucked" trail arm condition is an absolute must for consistently great ball striking. However, aside from his beautiful tempo, Fred's swing falls into the "don't try this at home" category. Beyond the precise timing needed to make it work consistently, his chronic lower back issues should tell us all we need to know.
So, enjoy the "poetry" as a spectator, but leave it at that. My suggestion, anyway....
TS
@@SagutoGolf Hi Tom, I've tried mimicking Fred Couples' swing "at home" and my swing still looks ugly as sin (hahaha!), so I have to agree it takes a certain body type to be able to pull off Fred's swing. Ernie Els is probably the closest swing-style elegance to Fred Couples I have ever seen in the modern pro game, although Els is also a physically bigger and stronger man, which may work to his advantage in terms of preventing back injuries. For golf, it's probably much easier to develop proper swing mechanics from a young age, as opposed to picking up the game later in life as an adult after having played completely different sports as a youngster. Muscle memory becomes far more difficult to "program" as an adult when one feels their muscles are set in concrete, especially when waking up in the mornings! LOL
he looks insanely steep at the top ... incredible that he puts it all together at the point of impact.
Fred absolutely figured out how to make that all work for himself, Jay, but wow - that sure is a lot of variables to manage and ultimately compensate for!! As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker,; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there. Speaking of which, would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
Thanks in part to your videos I have been working on my consistency in the swing and have moved in to bogey golf from 100+
That's outstanding!! I'm very glad to know that my instruction is resonating with you and aiding you in your fantastic progress.
Thanks so much for sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!! 💪💪
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is registering well with you, perhaps you might also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”?: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
That was my swing before I tried your swing.i had to do a lot of practice to keep it consistent where your stack n tilt style doesn't need the same mental focus which can desert you anytime for what ever reason tiredness cognitive decline for older player's you don't need all the swing thought's plus less back stress arm shoulder and hand shock from bad shots and poor momentum.Thanks again Tom ! I am an older golfer with a bit of cognitive decline with a couple of disabilities and after trying many different swings your version of the stack n tilt is the best by far my Irons are soaring high straight and long my Drive is long and straight.
And that was precisely my point, Michael - Fred absolutely figured out how to make that all work for himself, but wow - that sure is a lot of variables to manage and ultimately compensate for!! As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there, and based on your validating remarks I'm glad to know that it is performing well for you!
By the way, you may be interested to know that a significant percentage of my online school members are in their 60's, 70's, and 80's - i.e.: a smorgasbord of chronic ailments, physical limitations, back/shoulder/knee/hip pain, arthritis, and joint replacements - and they are overwhelmingly elated to experience the dramatic pain-free game improvement, seemingly effortless power, and resulting enjoyment that this swing affords them. It all begins with a proper setup which provides for a free-flowing motion. Upon that good foundation a repeatable swing which produces consistently crispy impact can be built.
Have you looked into the comprehensive, sequential learning platform of the online school yet? That's where - among many other courses and lessons covering various aspects of the game - you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step from setup to finish. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews.
Thanks for sharing your Stack and Tilt success, keep up the great work, and I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024 that has you enjoying the best golf of your life!
Tom
great vid… good analysis of Fred's sublime swing….. insightful
also , you didn't hit the framed picture behind you…. well done!
thanks for another great video tom!
My pleasure, Gabe - I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Happy New Year!
Tom
Brilliant. Thanks. God bless you!
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed the "Boom Boom" episode!!
I appreciate your kind words and support over the past year, and I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024 that has you enjoying the best golf of your life!
Tom
Another great emphasis on tucking the right elbow coach. That Impact Training Aid is a really good swing aid for me because it eliminates early release. Be well and Happy New Year-Russ
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Russ! Yes - despite all those variables Fred has to coordinate, the fact that he ultimately manages to get himself into that optimal position in the downswing is a testament to his tremendous athleticism, and it offers further proof that this "tucked" condition is an absolute must for consistently great ball striking.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Precision Impact - I'm happy to know that it is performing well for you!
I sincerely appreciate all your support over the past year, and I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024 that has you enjoying the best golf of your life!
Tom
Great, happy New year
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed the episode, and I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024!
Tom
Freddy Couples is my favorite. So much power, and he looks like he's barely moving.
Yes - I've always enjoyed watching Fred's swing as well, Matthew, However, we must also consider that it took him years and years to get his unique swings dialed in to the extent that he did. That's a testimony to Fred's hard work, determination, and perseverance.
What I teach is a proven body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system that is designed to provide a lifetime of enjoyment for all golfers, and since it is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. With regard to the latter, if a particular Tour pro's motion or some component thereof is demonstrative of a swing key that I am conveying, I am happy to share it. Note that I did not say "This is Fred Couples; swing like him." Instead, I pulled some elements from his swing that my viewers can benefit and learn from, as well as some idiosyncratic variables that they may do well to avoid.
As for my instruction, thousands of folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks for your message!
Tom
Tom, you’re the man. Today I had success and it’s thanks to trying things you say
Awesome! I'm very glad to know that my instruction is resonating with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play.
Thanks so much for sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is performing well for you, I think you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
I've always liked Fred couples tempo, I think his tempo is extraordinary. Always, used to, emulate Davis love's swing with FCs tempo. Since I've adopted s&t I've never hit the ball better though.
Well done, Javier!
There are two things at play here: 1) Discovering and dialing in our ideal swing tempo, and 2) Feeling that transition - or the change in direction - so we don't rush our downswing from the top and thereby lose our sequencing (a very common affliction within the amateur golfing realm). Our perfect tempo/rhythm - which is unique to each of us individually - thereby enables us to gather and unload the various components in proper order for seemingly effortless, powerful ball striking bliss.
Keep up the great work!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf thanks Tom, I've been working extra hard on tempo this year specifically in my transition, I find if I take it back slow and feel like I'm pausing at the top, that's when I strike the ball best. Gives me time to make sure everything is in sync.
One of the swing thoughts I've started using when setting up to the ball is "Fred Couples". Makes me relax right away and not to strain and reach for the ball at address, and to have a smooth transition into the downswing. But that right arm separation is scary to me!
Fred's relaxed approach and beautiful rhythm/tempo are certainly elements that many would benefit from emulating!
3:24 Please note picture right , there is a near straight line forming from lead shoulder through lead arm down club shaft to clubhead , caused by centrifugal force , even though this is ubiquitous amongst great strikers .
I have never seen a video exploring this .
I like that you say that this action is "caused by", because although some may try to there really ought not be any active manufacturing of any position of the hands/arms as the club is hurtling through the zone.
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf
Yes naturally the weight of the club tries to form a straight line exaggerate by the mass of the clubhead
Most views are dtl, it’s rare to see a “from the target” perspective , there’s a famous Bobby Jones video where he aims at the camera , you can see the same affect .
I’d love to see a video similar ,exploring any differences between players , from novice , to tour pro .
Superb advice....kiss principle in action....I have signed up for the lessons and drills....my swing has dramatically improved and my enjoyment has dramatically increased ....lol....thanks Tom
Awesome!! I'm thrilled to learn of your dramatic improvement and resulting enjoyment, and I sincerely appreciate your kind words regarding the online school and this body-friendly, consistent, powerful swing system for all ages!!
Thanks so much for your support and keep up the fantastic work!! 💪💪
Tom
Tom another awesome video, i always liked Fred but you are right. Great job
Thanks Ken - I'm glad you enjoyed it! I've always liked Fred as well, but aside from emulating his wonderful tempo I prefer not to swing like him... 😎
Thanks for all your support over the past year. I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024 that has you enjoying the best golf of your life!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Tom I totally agree with you, but what you showed in hi swing proved he does have a problem which I would say help him have his back problem. Just saying I have truly enjoy your videos. Thank you God Bless you and have great new year 2024.
Everything Freddie does at setup and into the backswing is undone by impact. He makes the connection with his trail arm/body, drops the hands into a shallower slot, brings the club straight down to avoid going out to in, and straightens his lead wrist. At impact, his hands are in front of the ball and squared up, but boy does it take a lot of extra work to get there!
If it makes sense to him it doesn't feel extra work. What really matter is to be right place at time of release. Does it really matter how you get there? Every person is built differently.
@@oolaspalmas Not for him; he's been doing it well for decades on the PGA. For me, it matters a lot.
Precisely the point! It took him years and countless thousands of range balls to get his swing dialed in to the extent that he did. That's a testimony to his hard work, determination, and perseverance. As for those golfers out there in amateur land who comprise the vast majority of my audience, my mission is to inform, not to convince. So, if anyone wishes to flip, roll, shift, lift, and/or precisely time some assortment of contrived manipulations, that's certainly their prerogative, and to them my response is simply to let their ball striking and shot shape be their guide.
Having said that, as mentioned in the video there is that one key element of Fred's downswing that is shared by every great ball striker, and we would all do well to emulate that. I just happen to believe that there is a far simpler way to get there.... 😎
Happy New Year!
Tom
great insight …. never understood how eccentric Fred's swing is…. also amazing that you didn't hit that framed picture behind you… inches from shattered glass!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes - it is rather remarkable how he coordinated those variables to piece together that legendary and tremendously successful swing.
And yes -- that picture forces me to be certain that my connections are intact... 😆😆
TS
He was awesome and was a guy me and my dad rooted for. . I hate his swing though. lol Flying elbow ,bent left arm, steepest Ive ever seen, stands very upright. Some people just make it work and he was the best at it.
Yes - your comment drives home the point! Many of Fred's unique swing features - beginning with the setup - fall into the category of "don't try this at home" for the average golfer. The fact that he made it work to the extent that he did is a testimony to his hard work and determination. However, as mentioned in the video there is that one key element of Fred's downswing that is shared by every great ball striker, and we would all do well to emulate that.
What I teach is a proven body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system that is designed to provide a lifetime of enjoyment for all golfers, and since it is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. With regard to the latter, if a particular Tour pro's motion or some component thereof is demonstrative of a swing key that I am conveying, I am happy to share it.
As for my instruction, thousands of folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks for your message and Happy New Year!
Tom
Colin Montgomery might be steeper than Couples. I just started working on a bent left arm and I believe it helps me stay connected and make a better turn and backswing. With my left arm bent it looks like my left arm is a circle. So, I think roll that circle for the first 6 - 12 inches, then my lead shoulder dips (not turn) as my hands and arms go up. Then I whip the club through with my trail side and trail hand. I think of a pitcher pitching from the stretch. I want to get compact and then extend and release through the ball. To simplify it I think Roll, Dip, Whip
I appreciate your patience and clarity. Fred is sweet in his swing. I have a flying elbow and bent wrist. Will gluing my right arm to my right side, will my wrist correct itself?
I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, Ed!
My lesson series on the "trail arm magic" has helped countless golfers across the globe to overcome a myriad of issues and experience great ball striking. Here are a couple of recent episodes on this topic:
- ua-cam.com/video/GQI6SoL1AUg/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/V4VObfmy39g/v-deo.html
In more general terms, if we pre-establish the connections properly in the setup and have a foundational base that facilitates a full centered turn without restriction, then yes - once we've ingrained the correct actions through sequential drilling and repetition we can entrust the motion to the big muscles and allow the arms, wrists, hands, and club to simply go along for the ride and respond accordingly as if on autopilot. The power accumulators - including the proper arm, wrist, and hand action - will then naturally load and fire with no contrived manipulations or precise timing necessary, thereby returning the face to the position pre-established at address. It's called "giving up control to gain control", and it's the formula for consistently blissful ball striking and seemingly effortless power.
While there are certainly other videos on my channel related to this, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks,
Tom
Thank you for your detailed reply, Tom. You are a truly effective instructor.
The par on 17!!!
I noticed the "flip" or release at about 5:20 in the slow-mo. No matter the weird swinging greats: Mr Palmer, Furyk Trevino all are pretty much the same from 9:00 to 4:00 thru the ball. You've taught me this and I'm trying to groove it..Thanks
Speaking of groove, did cousin Eddie drop off some shoes to match the belt?😅
Yep, Bradley - that's the shared critical component of every great ball striker's swing. No matter how they took it back or started their downswing, they all get to that position.
Keep on grooving!!
TS
The tuck and back to the ball part, that looks so much more beautiful than an overly shallow or steep swing. It keeps you on plane. Very Tiger like. And I might be biased because I love Tiger and thats how I've found my swing, trying to shallow rather than keep it on plane absolutely ruined me. Its up and back with no fancy motions :)
Indeed, Ryan - we don't have to "drop it in the slot" if we just put it there to begin with, right??
Thanks for your message - I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf/ If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hey Tom.
When you lean your club forward at setup, do you already have your grip set? or do you lean the club forward and then set your grip? which comes first, grip, or club lean? Thanks
I first grip it with the club square to the target line. Then I set the hands even with the inside of the lead thigh, and finally address the ball in its appropriate position. In general, our stock ball position that is in the middle of the stance for short irons, two balls inside the lead heel for middle irons, and creeping more forward for the longer clubs - the farthest forward being even with the inside of the lead heel for the driver (with the stance width increasing as we move from shorter to longer clubs). From there we can make incremental tweaks to see how different positions affect impact quality and shot shape.
Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
Fred’s my fav swing. When you crank that right shoulder back as far as he does and then release the hands through impact as fully as he does = BOOM BOOM!
It is a thing of beauty to watch! However, aside from his silky smooth tempo Fred's swing falls into the "don't try this at home" category. Beyond the tremendous athleticism and timing needed to make it work consistently, his chronic lower back issues should tell us all we need to know.
The whole video I couldn't stop watching that picture on tue wall, waiting for you to hit it 😂😂
LOL! It's there to provide instant - and loud - feedback if I happen to lose one of the critical connections in my swing, Michael.... 😎
Tom do you keep the precision impact device in the flexed position throughout the swing? Setup, backswing and downswing.
I click it a couple of notches at address to preset the "wedge" in my trail hand, Joe. From there it may click once more during the backswing as the wrist hinges, but that happens on its own and not due to any contrived action.
Tom
This isn't just the key to Freddies power, this is the key to effortless power period. I can understand this new wave of teaching a tighter right arm to the body for irons, but I was taught certain aspects of Freddies swing for driver and the act of pulling the elbow into the body delivers an IMMENSE amount of power into the ball, power you can consistently rely on as you redirect your focus to that split second snap roll with the wrists at impact.
Agree.
Fred absolutely figured out how to make that all work for himself, but wow - that sure is a lot of variables to manage and ultimately compensate for!! (And let us not forget the chronic back issues that have plagued him for many years.) As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there.
The body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system I teach is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
Thousands of folks across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of learning this swing system through my online school, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. Compare and contrast that with the sad reality that despite all the advances in equipment, technology, golf course grooming, etc. the average golfer still struggles to break 100. Epic failures within the realm of “conventional” instruction, perhaps??? So many misconstrued and/or misguided teachings - such as taking the club straight back, turning the shoulders level while independently lifting the arms, shifting into and torquing against a firm trail side, firing the hips, actively rolling the hands through impact, etc. - have relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of inconsistency and chronic frustration (and chronic back/knee/hip pain as well).
Anyway, my job is to inform, not convince. So whatever works best for you is best for you as long as it's not causing any physical or mental pain. Let your ball striking and shot shape be your guide.
Happy New Year!
Tom
I've tried the Fred Couples swing on the range and got great results. However, when I go to the course I am afraid to try it. I've seen video of Tiger trying the Fred Couples swing. And I've read that on the range Tiger can hit the ball further when he swings like Jim Furyk. However, he doesn't play with those swings because he's done it a different way for a long time. What I like about the flying elbow, a la Jack Nicklaus and Fred Couples, is that you don't have to worry about sucking the club way inside, laying the club off or flipping your lead elbow up on the backswing and getting extremely out of position. When that elbow starts to fly your backswing gets in line (even if it is a little upright) and negates a lot of problems you may be experiencing on the backswing. After the elbow separates it kind of feels like you stall at the top. Then you make a concerted effort to slam that elbow down into your side on the first move of the downswing and everything falls into place after that. Everything lines up in the end without having to hit positions or think about path. What am I waiting for. I just decided that this is the way I'm going to swing next golf season. At 68 I'm ready to try something new.
From my perspective that is an unnecessary variable that must be precisely repeated each and every swing under the normal pressures of play if one is to have any hope of consistency. Those whom you mentioned - aside from being extremely gifted athletes - have spent countless hours honing and maintaining their respective swings. Having said that, my duty is to inform and not to convince, so of course you are free to give that a try if you so desire and let your ball striking and shot shape be your guide.
By the way, at 68 you may be interested to know that a significant percentage of my online school members are in their 60's, 70's, and 80's - i.e.: a smorgasbord of chronic ailments, physical limitations, back/shoulder/knee/hip pain, arthritis, and joint replacements - and they are overwhelmingly elated to experience the dramatic pain-free game improvement, seemingly effortless power, and resulting enjoyment that this swing affords them. It all begins with a proper setup which provides for a free-flowing motion. Upon that good foundation a repeatable swing which produces consistently crispy impact can be built.
Have you looked into the comprehensive, sequential learning platform of the online school yet? That's where - among many other courses and lessons covering various aspects of the game - you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step from setup to finish. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
You don't need the flexibility of a Romanian gymnast - or even of this far less pliable golf instructor - to execute this swing, experience great ball striking, and reclaim - or even exceed - yardages from years past. If you're truly looking to commit to something new - and with proven results - then I hope you'll give the school some thought.
Happy New Year and best of luck to you!
Tom
Tom I just purchased this swing aid. Hope this helps you out too man.
Thanks Stephen! I'm confident that you will like and benefit from it!
Tom
Bobby Jones had a bent left elbow at address to relax his arms. I took karate and was taught that relaxed muscles move the fastest. Trying to keep the left arm straight through the swing may work for some, but for some this tightens the left shoulder and slows down how fast you can move on the downswing thus reducing speed in hitting the ball.
Hi Thomas,
I can certainly understand that some may initially feel some degree of what I would call "exaggerated structure" if they have not previously experienced this level of straightness in the lead arm - which is the radius of our swing circle - but as it becomes ingrained any tension should be reduced to nil. I do want the golfer to have the feeling of "soft arms" so that the arms and wrists can simply respond to the motion and the weight of the club. If we secure our necessary connections, preset and preserve our "radius", drive the motion with the big muscles and let the arms/hands/club go along for the ride, we will then possess the recipe for consistency and seemingly effortless ball striking bliss.
Having said that, if you believe that bending your arm works best for you, then bend away and let your ball striking and shot shape be your guide.
TS
@@SagutoGolf Thanks for your reply. Matt Blois did a piece on this a short time ago and said he actually hit the ball further with a slight bend in his lead arm elbow. I have incorporated some of your other tips into my swing and like your presentation style.
Good stuff, Tom. I believe VJ and PM also have the trail hand off at impact. Couples' swing is controlled by his left hand and forearm, as mentioned in the video "Fred Couples Secret!." This brings me to the point about using the right hand as the source of power as articulated by some guy on YT, what's his name, oh yeah ,Tom Saguto. hahahaha There's no way he's using the right hand like you speak about in a lot of your vids, lad. Clay Ballard even has a video about letting go of the right hand like this to generate speed. Lots of different ways ...
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Tom.
As for that trail hand, you are surely free to give it a go with just your lead hand on the club - which I'll maintain is a compensatory action for some idiosyncratic action somewhere upstream in the swing and/or setup - and see how that works for you. My job is simply to inform, not convince.
I do my best to convey multiple “feels” or thoughts throughout the swing wherever possible, and that trail hand power source is certainly one of them. We're all different physiologically and psychologically, and something that resonates effectively with one golfer may not necessarily work for another. However, no matter the variety of suggested feels/thoughts offered for a particular element of the swing, they are all directed at getting different golfers to achieve the desired positions, motions, and ball striking results. For example, the sequential lessons and drills of my online school provide the guidelines and set the boundaries, while allowing ample leeway for each individual golfer to infuse and exercise their own uniqueness.
Perhaps after you've danced with that one-handed move you might then like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach - which is firmly rooted in physics, geometry, and empirical observations from the games best ball strikers - in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Whatever you choose, I wish you all the best for a Blessed, Healthy, Happy 2024 that has you enjoying the best golf of your life!
Tom
I have a handful of swings (lol) and one of them uses a severely cupped lead wrist. It generates the most distance and effortless power of all my swings. I have always tried to get away from it tho because I always hear you want a bowed lead wrist. I just recently learned Freddie uses cupped lead wrist, so now I want to embrace it. It mostly works for irons, but I can get a solid drive without it. Irons I struggle to not cast unless I have cupped lead wrist. Anyway, I now have validation that a cupped lead wrist is not necessarily something to avoid like the plague…
LOL! Deterring you from your desired grip is not the point in the videos you referenced. A strong grip - when deployed as an anti-slice band-aid - is precisely that: a patch for a deficiency or flaw somewhere upstream in the swing motion that the teacher or golfer can't or won't fix. If, on the other hand - so to speak 😎 - it is simply a matter of personal preference, then we should endeavor to remain keenly aware of our ball flight as it is quite adept at telling us if our grip is starting to leak too much to the strong side.
So, cup that wrist if you believe it serves you well and have fun out there!
Tom
yes, the upper part of the right arm has to hub against the right side to enable the arm to use the body as a pivotal point to release from. but, one thing i have noticed about fred's swing is that he uses his high right elbow position to lean the back of his right shoulder towards the target, at the top of his backswing. and, with his driver swing his arms definitely reduce separation in the start of the downswing. for me the best way to connect the right arm with the body, on the way down, is to do what you do; and, not increase the cupping of the left wrist past max left, towards the top of the backswing. in the start of the downswing the muscles in the left side of the right forearm then join forces with the body to help prevent the club from flipping. it has long been thought, since five lessons, that pronation and supination are direct opposites to one another. but, the two can combine together. and, your swing is the perfect example of this. you establish control of the club with the heel of your left hand in the takeaway. and, this prevents your wrist joint from allowing the toe of the club to point down at the top. i, also, find the arm stretching drill that you do, where you straighten your right arm behind you; and, stretch your left out in front of you, is very beneficial. and, as you say, it is very important for the right arm to bend in at address. in the 1948 us open vid we can see that hogan does everything to create a massive turn. bill mehlhorn tells us to turn as we would turn, when turning to the right; and, if we were stood in an upright position and needed to turn to the right, we would press back with the left of side of the base of our neck, to turn part of the way round; and, then press the left side of our right leg towards our instep, to turn the rest of the way. and, you can see that hogan does exactly this. his head is actually aiming off to the right at address; but, the recoil in his downswing then realigns his head. and, there is a very simple way of building this kind of dynamic into the swing. just simply step up to the ball, from behind, holding the club with your left hand; and, keep your eye on the ball. this will move the left side of your head into position. but, the next part is absolutely crucial: align the left side of your head with the club, as you put your right hand on the club. even if a player can't hold this exact position their right below will be "below" their left elbow; and, muscles in the left shoulder will be activated, enabling a player to make full turn and stay connected.
Nice. Thanks again for your analysis, supportive remarks, and helpful suggestions!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf thanks for that, tom. the one handed swing drill that you demonstrate has cured my age old problem of pointing the club face down at the top of my backswing. It would be good, also, if you could do more on the step up etc. to me the step up and just getting into the address position is the least natural part of the game; and, possibly the most over looked.
Is that a picture of the Pineapple fountain in Charleston S.C. by chance?
Indeed it is, Chris!
Couples swing is the ultimate magic move.
Fred sure did figure out how to make it work best for him, but that doesn't mean we should endeavor to copycat the entirety of his motion. (Beyond the tremendous athleticism and timing needed to make it work consistently, his chronic lower back issues should tell us all we need to know.) As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler and body-friendly way of getting there!
TS
Freddie actually swings the club, thats why he's so good
He really knows how to use arms through impact. Easy effortless speed. Not this modern body release swing that everyone seems to teach.
Fred sure did figure out how to make it work best for him, but that doesn't mean we should endeavor to copycat the entirety of his motion. As mentioned we would do well to emulate the one key element of Fred's downswing that is shared by every great ball striker,; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf I don't believe in 'emulating a swing' as everyone will have different body physiology. I was taught to swing the clubhead backwards and forwards around my body as if it is a weight on a swing feeling the outward pull of the club in my hands. As long as you are truly swinging and not applying leverage the clubhead will always square up with maximum speed at the bottom of the arc. It's simple physics.
Boom (boom). I think FC pulls all that off and gets his right elbow reconnected on the downswing -- has a lot to with how he works his hip bump. Not sure if he drilled that or it was natural but he times it damn near perfectly.
He does flip but unlike an amateur, Fred doesn’t stop or slow down his arms and body as he flips. He flips the “correct” way (if you’re gonna flip) by accelerating and flipping through the ball rather than stopping the arms and just flipping the hands “at” the ball -
A lot to coordinate with the hands, arms and body but he’s committed through the ball so his flip action creates and releases a ton of stored power imho. My guess is he has a pretty loose and light grip pressure.
I find that type of hand action or a loosely gripped lagging hand action can help get out of a deep fairway bunker bc either causes the ball to jump up pretty quick.
Truly a swing to marvel. Wonderful & insightful video. Amazing analysis and explanation.
-Monty H
To "marvel"? Yes, Monty - I agree. To emulate? Well, that's another story.... 😎
Despite all those variables Fred has to coordinate, the fact that he ultimately manages to get himself into that optimal position in the downswing is a testament to his tremendous athleticism, and it also offers further proof that this "tucked" condition is an absolute must for consistently great ball striking. As for his "flip", it's compensatory for things that occurred upstream in the setup (i.e.: his very strong grip) and the swing motion, but again he figured out how to make it work.
Thanks for your assessment!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Yes, Sir. No doubt about it. I’ve often wondered if he were not so relaxed if he could make it work? Regardless, that right elbow tuck is another beautiful nugget you keep providing to folks. Thanks again or making the golfing community a little bit smarter and whole lot classier. :) MH
I’ve never tried to emulate Fred’s swing, but I always did what felt natural to me. Traditional swing. Very neutral with a neutral grip. Also, very inconsistent. Some days I would be striking it very well, and other days I couldn’t find the center of the club face. Tons of sh*nks and over the top swings. I’ve switched over to the stack and tilt method and have found my swing to be way more consistent. I will say recording myself it doesn’t look as “normal”, but the proof is in the ball flight. No more, or at least very few, sh*nks and way more consistent contact. Keeping that left arm straight and right arm tight to the body keeps my swing way more consistent.
And that was the precisely the problem with the whole "swing your swing" movement, Chad. Sure - it sounded all nice and warm and fuzzy - but if there are inherent flaws in how we "swing our swing", then "our swing" was never going to produce the desired results - at least not on a consistent basis.
This body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance Stack & Tilt swing system is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. As for it not looking "normal", in comparison to what? A "shift and lift" method that has relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of inconsistency and chronic frustration (and chronic back/knee/hip pain as well)?
Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing motions consistent with S&T, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
I'm very glad to learn that you have adopted the S&T system as "your swing" and that you are now reaping the benefits of your transition. Nice job!!
Now, if you've not already joined, have you considered enrolling in the online school and taking your learning - and your game - to the next level? That's where - in addition to detailed lessons and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish - you'll find diagnostic tools for identifying/resolving swing and ball flight issues when they arise, plus advanced level instruction, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And here's a link to my free mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Thanks for sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!!
Tom
Tom back with chef grade prosciutto!
Just enjoyed me some nice antipasto on Christmas. Yummmm..... 😎
Nothing better than a good charcuterie board to stimulate a roaring hunger.@@SagutoGolf
Fred couples is like smooth, gravity gravy…
Tom, Freddie's swing should come with a disclaimer "Don't try this at home". I remember playing at Los Robles when I was a teenager, and a guy asked me if I saw the pga tournament that weekend. He specifically asked if I saw Freddie's 200 yard seven iron from the rough. I said "No way!". Freddie was a phenomena as far as I can tell. Your method eliminates variables and makes the swing more sure, more repetitive. Is doable by way more folks.
LOL!! That is precisely the point, Steve, and your "don't try this at home" remark is the same that I have been telling others in this forum! 😎
Fred sure did figure out how to make it work best for him, but that doesn't mean we should endeavor to copycat the entirety of his motion. As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker,; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there!
Thanks for your validating message and support!!
Tom
I saw Tiger imitating him on the range smileing smoothest swing in golf.
Given Fred's injuries over the years, hat's probably not good for Tiger's back..... 😎
It's always fun to see the banter between the world's best when they're in a relaxed atmosphere!
I have been trying to copy Freddy's swing for years especially his tempo
I'd just stick with the tempo, James, and let Fred manage all his variables as he has done so well for many years (perhaps, however, at the expense of his back).
By the way, would you like to learn some key aspects of the body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Happy New Year!
Tom
Thinking about just sewing my elbow to my side.
It might make life a little more difficult but it’s a trade I’m willing to make.
I do understand as it is simply *_THAT_* important. Besides, you still have that other arm to handle any other menial tasks that life may throw at you.....😆😆
Fred Couples is a wizard. If you try to swing like he does the golf gods will make you wish you took up bowling.
😆😆
Indeed! Aside from his wonderful tempo, Fred's swing falls into the "don't try this at home" category. Beyond the tremendous athleticism and timing needed to make it work consistently, his chronic lower back issues should tell us all we need to know.
But still, it is a thing of beauty to watch nonetheless.
TS
Was the picture frame behind you in any danger?😂
LOL! It helps me to make sure that my swing remains properly connected, otherwise it will be a loud and somewhat costly mistake... 😎
What's the picture
What Fred does that I am jealous of (besides his outrageous distance) is that fact that his lower body doesn't release way to the left and just comes through just enough to open up his hips. That is my struggle. If I try to go after it, my lower body tends to flare out to the left making an over the top swing that goes dead left.... Ultimately, dead!
When properly deployed in the correct sequencing, Steven, our hips are a tremendous source of power. When prematurely rotated, all bets are off. For example, the lateral targetward action of the hips acts as a governor to prevent a premature over-rotation and thereby enables the player to keep his upper torso square without having to fight their body. Most amateur golfers already have plenty of the rotational component; they need to build in the lateral hip slide to suppress the early-onset spinout that causes so many to get steep and across the line. Here are some lesson videos specific to this topic:
- ua-cam.com/video/Us6jSgMvJmM/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/dB4ItR3guGU/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/I5XYgKopTb4/v-deo.html
I hope that helps!
Tom
PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
May i be the first to wish you a jolly 2025. Thank you for the lovely fred analysis.
Yes - you are indeed the first to extend 2025 wishes to me, and for that I am sincerely grateful and extend the same to you..... 😆😆
Thanks - I appreciate the ongoing banter and I'm glad you enjoyed this episode featuring one of the game's favorites. Do your best to make the most of this ho-hum '24 as we await the arrival of jolly '25.....
TS
More a fan of Steve Elkington’s swing
Indeed, Elk has a great move, Kevin.
Fred sure did figure out how to make it work best for him, but that doesn't mean we should endeavor to copycat the entirety of his motion. As mentioned, we would do well to emulate the one key element of his downswing that is shared by every great ball striker,; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there!
Tom
Won't your trail arm wrist automatically get in the correct position if your arm is tucked in and your leading arms wrist is flat. Thanks Tom
Yes - as mentioned, we would do well to emulate that one key element of Fred's downswing that is shared by every great ball striker; I just happen to believe there is a far simpler way of getting there as you have astutely noted from having viewed some of my other lesson videos.
Speaking of which, would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
He’s def NOT shallowing out. If he were he would get jammed. Hes push pulling over the top but his turn keeps the path true.
Not to mention that Freddy developed debilitating back problems (perhaps caused in part by all those necessary manipulations) that hounded him throughout his career.
As good a career as he has had, it still makes you wonder what could have been if all that talent and his beautiful rhythm was packaged into a more body-friendly yet equally powerful motion.
He comes back down on the same plane he's not a two plane golfer he's more like mo Norman than anyone else
Not sure what you are seeing, Mark, but there is a definite shallowing move as Fred absolutely "drops it in the slot" from where he's at at the top of his backswing. That flying trail elbow must reconnect to his body in order to deliver the club as beautifully as he does. As such, it is clearly a two-plane action.
It’s called full release not flipping.
Hogan Snead Palmer Nicklaus tiger mickelson
All do it
Do a frame by frame at impact and through of every great golf swing included yours and it will show club rotating closed and right hand rolling over
No half swings or punch shots:)
That what I see also. Full hand release. Doesn't matter where arms are at top of back swing. It's that trail arm snapping through impact. Just beautiful ❤️
With regard to the erroneous notion that we need to contrive some type of active "release", given the inability of most folks to spend sufficient time at the range to lock in the required exactness of this action this misguided thought has led countless golfers astray. It's not something that even the vast majority of pros are trying to consciously manufacture during the split second that the clubhead is traveling a distance of approximately 6' from parallel to parallel at speeds in excess of 100 mph. The forearms will naturally "trade places" from pre- to post-impact, but this should not be construed as a contrived move (although many a casual observer has gone down that rabbit hole). There really ought not be any active manipulation of the hands through the zone and attempts to precisely time any such rolling or flipping - which does nothing for swing speed - have relegated many an amateur to the vast abyss of inconsistency and frustration. Here are a few of my channel episodes that may help to clarify:
- ua-cam.com/video/Fe2kQ44azJ4/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/SunCR5uJ_ao/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/zw7Rzstq4gY/v-deo.html
@@oolaspalmas
Exactly wrists rolling over to release is the most natural thing that can happen.
Your notion of turning your body and holding the right hand under requires the timing to alter the natural flow of a swing and time it at impact with club head moving 90 plus or so and hands about 18 on a swing taking less then half a second.
If you would just do a frame by frame look at your full swing you will see your rolling the right hand over just after impact. Go to worldclassgolf and it shows all the greats with right hand over left
The only way you and many internet teachers do is hit half swing exaggerated punch shots.
Another reason Freddie could bomb it is that he's double-jointed. He can turn more than almost any other golfer, ever. That's definitely not his secret, but he could really get behind the ball. He also is very coordinated and has wide shoulders...all elements of a big hitter's arsenal.
Who told you that? Source?
The flying elbow might actually help produce power, speed, consistency through enhanced tempo. Rerouting the club takes time and promotes good tempo and feeling the club. Just look at so many top golfers who have flying elbows; from Jack Nicklaus to Babba Watson, Fred Couples to Colin Montgomery… the list goes on. It gets unfair bad rap in my opinion.
Every great ball striker gets that tucked trail elbow condition at some point prior to impact, Peter; some sooner than others. But I'm not concerned about them. 😎 "Gluing" it in there is a "feel" that is necessary for most amateurs to achieve this desired action - at least until they have properly ingrained it. In fact, unsolicited feedback confirms that my lesson series on this "trail arm magic" has helped countless golfers across the globe to overcome wide variety of issues and experience crispy ball striking and explosive, effortless power.
Tom
I will slice if I do any 1 of these 3 lol
Well, then, don't do any of those three, but do get that trail elbow tucked!! 😎
TS
What goes on at the top of the swing isn't necessarily what happens at impact.
That is why there are so many different backswings on Tour, Bobby, yet certain non-negotiables that all great ball strikers share on the way down.
TS
Its in the 60s there! Cold? Im hoping for the frost to burn off the greens, wearing long johns. Youre so spoiled 😅
I think we may have actually dipped down into the high-40's that day. Yikes!...... 😬😆
(Yes - I'll admit to being spoiled and whimpified after spending enough years up north...)
Tom, why are you indoors teaching a lesson?
Because it's cold outside, Angelo. I don't always need to be outdoors hitting balls in order to convey valuable information to benefit your swing and your game!
Tom
Tom... that was a very difficult lesson to follow.. not simple...nor good. Very complicated talk
Sorry to learn that. YT stats for this show that 99.5% of viewers of this video would disagree, but I appreciate your feedback.
Anyway, if you would truly like to get on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, sequential platform, please consider my online school. It will make for a far more efficient, superior, and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. The school is where you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and their unsolicited testimonials tell the story quite well: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
Tom
Love your channel and the game of golf, but after how Couples stabbed Phil in the back, shows his true colors. Same as Rory.
I'm not here to engage in commentary on personalities, conflicts, media hype, etc. occurring in the world of professional golf. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about any of that soap opera drama stuff. Just tee it up and play some golf...... 😎
When I feature Tour players it's for the purpose of extracting elements from their swings that my audience can garner benefits from. In this case - with so many enviers of Fred's swing out there - it was why one would do best to _not_ emulate his motion with the exception of his rhythm/tempo and that one key downswing move that is shared by all of the game's best ball strikers.
TS
Fred always had great tempo,other then that,i dont like his move,and one major in thirty yrs,and very lucky he won that,nine out of ten times,that ball is in the water,probably, and he will agree,the most underachieving player of that era
As good a career as he has had, it still makes you wonder what could have been if all that talent and his beautiful rhythm was packaged into a more body-friendly yet equally powerful motion.