I know this sounds ridiculous but I bought some to scare the coyotes away out of my yard. I can’t have them after my dogs. They keep coming near the fence.
I`ve played cymbal for 5 years. I know which sound is better. He played it correct and please do not make any conclusion without knowledge. His grip is for orchestra and there is another grip for marching. Hope you understand. #MasterCymbal
Thanks very much, Vic! I'm a pianist by training but I have to play one cymbal crash in the middle of a talk later this month, and now I know exactly how to do that! Great detailed instruction.
Thank you, I never knew there we many tactics for crash cymbals, i don’t do Percussion I’m a woodwind player. But with this video it made me understand better how to handle crash cymbals and not get embrassed to ask my BD
Though I’m mainly a woodwind player, I got involved with percussion REALLY quickly and I have a deep love for cymbals. The crunches to crashes. The chokes to sizzles. Yeah. And I would argue about the orchestral cymbal visual for showing the cymbal to “your mom” or audience. That would probably just be at the finale like “Also Sprach Zarathustra” or “Hallelujah Chorus” or any “finale” of a piece, because it gives it that “encore” and “standing innovation” and it’s just pleasing to see. So I would just do the crash visual at the end of the finale piece.
Fun fact: the first cymbals ever made were created in 1624 in Constantinople buy a man named Avedis who was trying to make gold by mixing different types of metal together and discovered that they had unique sound qualities, then showed them to the king(if the ottoman empire had something like that which I'm sure they did) of the Ottoman Empire to be used as a weapon to frighten enemies before they found it more useful as a percussion instrument, the man created these cymbals was given the name Zildjian which meant "Cymbal maker" in Armenian, and in 1624 Avedis Zildjian created the Zildjian company
Expanded Copy I was referring to modern crash cymbals but yes, you are also right as well. Especially in places in South East Asia like China, Japan, the Indochinese region, Malaysia and Indonesia
In Peru this technique for playing cymbals is quite developed. I cannot say that we are the best because that is not in our thinking but I can tell you that the technique we use to play the cymbals is unique in the world.
+André van Haren right! :) the "old players" (see VPO 1970-76) used these cymbals as suspended too: left hand holds the cymbal with his leather strap, the right hand plays a stroke with a mallet. VPO used this technique for the "one hand roll" too in Mahler under L. Bernstein. But today it is preferred a cymbal holder, playing a roll with both hands. "Crash cymbal" = the cymbal at the lefthand side of your drum set, that is different than a "suspended cymbal" (= more sustain than a drum set crash, suspended cymbal for symphonic orchestral purposes or for concert band). Clashed cymbals are these in the video above called "a2" too, or hand cymbals, or Becken or "mit Tellern", -- or "piatti volanti" in Puccini only -- . Its the same ;)
Thanks for the explanation! So when I want in my scores the 2 separate cymbals, I should write clashed cymbals. Right now I described my percussion section in a score I recently finished as shown below, but that is not correct, I will change this: Percussion: Bass Drum, 3 Timpani (32/28/25), Gong, Suspended Cymbal (with soft marimba mallet), Crash Cymbals, Triangle, Snare Drum, Tambourine, Wind Chimes
Hi, yes I agree with you. Are you composer? congraulations! I could say: bass drum is ok, timpani: we have Ludwig therefore we have 32-29-26-23, perhaps Premier timpani are 30-28-25-22 1/2, but I guess that you could simply write the range of the timpani (for example E-A 8th above: the lowest and the highest note that you want), then the player is able to make an "indipendent" choice, even without the meansures; gong or tamtam? tamtam = not a precise tune and it is shaped without the blight in the center; suspended cymbal is ok (you could add "large" or "small"...if you want to obtain a bright sound or dark....); the clashed cymbals is very good (or simply "cymbals a2"); snare drum is ok (with snares/without snares or "snares on" / "snares off": if you dont use snare off its enough what you wrote). Hey then upload your composition here, so I can hear it. super!! :)
Hi Andrea, thanks for the definitions of the instruments, I will adjust them where needed. I made virtual recordings of the last orchestral piece that I worked on this whole year and finished recently. It's a suite in 7 parts, I uploaded them here: soundcloud.com/andrevanharen/sets/seven-symphonic-poems I used these measurements for the timpani to get the pitch I was going for and to be sure the player has them available during all the pieces. Maybe it wasn't necessary to be that specific though. The gong should be a deep sound so I think gong is good in this case. theSnare drum is always with snares on, so I will leave it as is. To be honest, I didn't even thing of the possibility to use the s.d. without the snares on. :)
Hi, you can use snare drum with "rim shot" too (stick on the edge + on the head). oh thanks for the link, but unfortunately I go "Sorry! Something went wrong Is your network connection unstable or browser outdated?" I have Firefox 41.0.1. its stange... ok I will try tomorrow, changing my settings in about:config.
1. I think the cymbal is the shield because he holded two cymbals. 2. A person transports the ballet very swiftly from the gun to the cymbal, and how does the cymbal sound?
Some people (including me) take crash cymbal to mean a smaller cymbal (14-16") struck with a stick (e.g. part of a drum kit) while clash cymbals are those shown in this video
So how would you go about having a crescendo-ing sizzling sound followed by a crash? Would this be done by having one person play a suspended cymbal and then having someone else do the crash (and I guess having two separate lines of music?), or is there any way of this all being done by one person? I'm thinking someone hitting a suspended cymbal would not create the right sound and it appears the crash cymbals can't create the roll I was hoping for.
My band teacher tells me to slide the cymbals across each other diagonally, I still struggle with air pocketing, my concert is tonight. If anyone can help please tell me.
What is wrong with holding the cymbals like this? Someone please tell me why it's bad because I play cymbals like that and there's no real problem with it
Nothing is wrong with it for orchestral playing. People saying otherwise don’t understand that marching band techniques are not appropriate for orchestra.
I played marching grip for our concert 2night. Always will. But like the narrator says, Its all tech. Man, I cringe when I hear a bad cymbal crash. word
Marching and orchestral percussion are very different. This is correct for orchestral style playing. Anyone saying this technique is incorrect doesn’t understand the difference between marching and orchestral percussion.
Man you play cymbals wrong then lol. This is the correct way for orchestral style playing. If you play cymbals in concert band the same way you do in marching band hate to break it to you but you’re doing it wrong.
Are you talking about David Skidmore? A graduate of both Northwestern's Bienen School of Music as well as the Yale School of Music? I dare you to even audition at one of those schools. Nerves can get the best of anyone, but you shouldn't question the authority of an artist of his caliber.
I know this sounds ridiculous but I bought some to scare the coyotes away out of my yard. I can’t have them after my dogs. They keep coming near the fence.
Buying CRASH SYMBOLS for THAT is WILD ngl must've been effective tho lol
I`ve played cymbal for 5 years. I know which sound is better. He played it correct and please do not make any conclusion without knowledge. His grip is for orchestra and there is another grip for marching. Hope you understand.
#MasterCymbal
FOR concert aren't you supposed to hold it at a 45 degree angle??
rc535 the gamer yes but it’s all preference
@@randalltomlinson7176 NO.
GIVE ME MY CYMBALS BACK
Thanks very much, Vic! I'm a pianist by training but I have to play one cymbal crash in the middle of a talk later this month, and now I know exactly how to do that! Great detailed instruction.
Thank you, I never knew there we many tactics for crash cymbals, i don’t do Percussion I’m a woodwind player. But with this video it made me understand better how to handle crash cymbals and not get embrassed to ask my BD
Intro: 9/8 (2322) 9/8 (3222), 9/8 (2322) 5/8 (32) 6/4 and repeat from the beginning with cowbells :)
Though I’m mainly a woodwind player, I got involved with percussion REALLY quickly and I have a deep love for cymbals. The crunches to crashes. The chokes to sizzles. Yeah.
And I would argue about the orchestral cymbal visual for showing the cymbal to “your mom” or audience. That would probably just be at the finale like “Also Sprach Zarathustra” or “Hallelujah Chorus” or any “finale” of a piece, because it gives it that “encore” and “standing innovation” and it’s just pleasing to see. So I would just do the crash visual at the end of the finale piece.
Fun fact: the first cymbals ever made were created in 1624 in Constantinople buy a man named Avedis who was trying to make gold by mixing different types of metal together and discovered that they had unique sound qualities, then showed them to the king(if the ottoman empire had something like that which I'm sure they did) of the Ottoman Empire to be used as a weapon to frighten enemies before they found it more useful as a percussion instrument, the man created these cymbals was given the name Zildjian which meant "Cymbal maker" in Armenian, and in 1624 Avedis Zildjian created the Zildjian company
well the history of cymbal can be tracked to 7 BC
Expanded Copy I was referring to modern crash cymbals but yes, you are also right as well. Especially in places in South East Asia like China, Japan, the Indochinese region, Malaysia and Indonesia
Finally, I can play crash cymbal for my band. Thanks for the tutorial. 😊
In Peru this technique for playing cymbals is quite developed. I cannot say that we are the best because that is not in our thinking but I can tell you that the technique we use to play the cymbals is unique in the world.
I got a cymbal part in a piece were playing, and before I watched this I had no idea what I was doing. This really helped, thanks!
Thank some of it helped me because this is what I'm playing for marching band.
This is actually not the best technique for marching band. It would be useful for concert band.
He does talk about how to bring the cymbals together. Part 1 is very helpful, though.
when someone writes "crash cymbal (suspended)", that is not kind of cymbals as talked in this video, right?
+André van Haren right! :)
the "old players" (see VPO 1970-76) used these cymbals as suspended too: left hand holds the cymbal with his leather strap, the right hand plays a stroke with a mallet. VPO used this technique for the "one hand roll" too in Mahler under L. Bernstein. But today it is preferred a cymbal holder, playing a roll with both hands. "Crash cymbal" = the cymbal at the lefthand side of your drum set, that is different than a "suspended cymbal" (= more sustain than a drum set crash, suspended cymbal for symphonic orchestral purposes or for concert band). Clashed cymbals are these in the video above called "a2" too, or hand cymbals, or Becken or "mit Tellern", -- or "piatti volanti" in Puccini only -- . Its the same ;)
Thanks for the explanation! So when I want in my scores the 2 separate cymbals, I should write clashed cymbals. Right now I described my percussion section in a score I recently finished as shown below, but that is not correct, I will change this:
Percussion:
Bass Drum, 3 Timpani (32/28/25), Gong,
Suspended Cymbal (with soft marimba mallet), Crash Cymbals,
Triangle, Snare Drum, Tambourine, Wind Chimes
Hi, yes I agree with you. Are you composer? congraulations!
I could say: bass drum is ok, timpani: we have Ludwig therefore we have 32-29-26-23, perhaps Premier timpani are 30-28-25-22 1/2, but I guess that you could simply write the range of the timpani (for example E-A 8th above: the lowest and the highest note that you want), then the player is able to make an "indipendent" choice, even without the meansures; gong or tamtam? tamtam = not a precise tune and it is shaped without the blight in the center; suspended cymbal is ok (you could add "large" or "small"...if you want to obtain a bright sound or dark....); the clashed cymbals is very good (or simply "cymbals a2"); snare drum is ok (with snares/without snares or "snares on" / "snares off": if you dont use snare off its enough what you wrote). Hey then upload your composition here, so I can hear it. super!! :)
Hi Andrea, thanks for the definitions of the instruments, I will adjust them where needed. I made virtual recordings of the last orchestral piece that I worked on this whole year and finished recently. It's a suite in 7 parts, I uploaded them here:
soundcloud.com/andrevanharen/sets/seven-symphonic-poems
I used these measurements for the timpani to get the pitch I was going for and to be sure the player has them available during all the pieces. Maybe it wasn't necessary to be that specific though.
The gong should be a deep sound so I think gong is good in this case.
theSnare drum is always with snares on, so I will leave it as is. To be honest, I didn't even thing of the possibility to use the s.d. without the snares on. :)
Hi, you can use snare drum with "rim shot" too (stick on the edge + on the head). oh thanks for the link, but unfortunately I go
"Sorry! Something went wrong
Is your network connection unstable or browser outdated?"
I have Firefox 41.0.1.
its stange...
ok I will try tomorrow, changing my settings in about:config.
I play the cymbals for marching band and I always find other people that play them do it differently from one another
crash cymbals for marching has a different grip than concert grip
1. I think the cymbal is the shield because he holded two cymbals.
2. A person transports the ballet very swiftly from the gun to the cymbal, and how does the cymbal sound?
This helped very much ‼️
Excelentes Sonidos de Los Platillos De Choque.
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Great info. Thank You!!!
ty! I had no idea of how to play them because my teacher randomly assigned them to me and didn't tell me how to play them
Thank you for the video
i put my hands in the strap. all the time for marching band
Ye me too, I guess people hold them how they want to
For orchestral playing you are supposed to hold the straps instead of putting your hands through the straps
@@mollykeats1443 whew! good thing it was orchestral playing, right??!
WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A STRAP IF YOU CANT PUT YOUR HANDS THROUGH I BEEN PLAYING IT FOR YEARS AND ALWAYS PUT MY HANDS THROUGH WORKS FOR ME
Wait I’m confused my band teacher tells me to put my hand through the strap🤷♀️
This is fire
What's the difference between crash cymbals and clash cymbals?
Nothing really, they're referring to the same thing
Some people (including me) take crash cymbal to mean a smaller cymbal (14-16") struck with a stick (e.g. part of a drum kit) while clash cymbals are those shown in this video
So how would you go about having a crescendo-ing sizzling sound followed by a crash? Would this be done by having one person play a suspended cymbal and then having someone else do the crash (and I guess having two separate lines of music?), or is there any way of this all being done by one person? I'm thinking someone hitting a suspended cymbal would not create the right sound and it appears the crash cymbals can't create the roll I was hoping for.
I know I’m 2 years late but you would want 2 people if possible otherwise just the suspended cymbal part will do
Who is this guy? What is his name??
90% demonstration, 10% talking as it should be.
My band teacher tells me to slide the cymbals across each other diagonally, I still struggle with air pocketing, my concert is tonight. If anyone can help please tell me.
I struggle with that too, and my school's pep rally is coming up. Did you find a way to fix it?
What is wrong with holding the cymbals like this? Someone please tell me why it's bad because I play cymbals like that and there's no real problem with it
Everything is wrong with it.
It gives you less control
Nothing is wrong with it for orchestral playing. People saying otherwise don’t understand that marching band techniques are not appropriate for orchestra.
@@jefflewis1438 nothing is wrong with it lol. You’re wrong.
sounds like a big hi hat cymbal
誰か翻訳してください（泣）
i play flute. dont know anything about hi hats or choke crash
Yo, me too! My band director literally just texted me and told me he wanted me in drumline....
@Joseph Nickelback because they wanted to, you dorky twat
He looks so awkward when he plays though :/
Ok?
Who tf cares
I played marching grip for our concert 2night. Always will. But like the narrator says, Its all tech. Man, I cringe when I hear a bad cymbal crash. word
1:36
the fuck am i watching this for? I don't even play cymbals
2:26 making jokes about someone's *mom* . bad idea
snowflake or just bad at jokes?
@@meedabuhuh3084 non of them
"CLASSICAL TECHNIQUE" mmm?
NEVER HOLD THEM LIKE THAT
Clearly you know nothing
Why?
our director tells us to use this grip for marching. won't let us hold them any other way
@@toivorovasalo7933 it gives you less control
Marching and orchestral percussion are very different. This is correct for orchestral style playing.
Anyone saying this technique is incorrect doesn’t understand the difference between marching and orchestral percussion.
man Naw I play cymbals and dat anit how U crash dude also dat anit how U hold them
thank you
There might be different techniques
Man you play cymbals wrong then lol. This is the correct way for orchestral style playing.
If you play cymbals in concert band the same way you do in marching band hate to break it to you but you’re doing it wrong.
Wrong !! Thats not how you play the cymbals. Your hand has to go in the straps and fold between your thumb and pointer finger.
yo man u r so crct man wut..
Your spelling tells me how much of a serious, professional musician you are.
Theres different ways to hold the cymbals
There are different ways. I'm in a marching band, and I put my hands through the straps, but for orchestra, it's different. ^-^
You do not put your hand in the straps, that is completely wrong.
Wrong.
I like how he even does the wrong way examples so we can hear what to look for when practicing 🫡🫶🏼
Are you talking about David Skidmore? A graduate of both Northwestern's Bienen School of Music as well as the Yale School of Music? I dare you to even audition at one of those schools. Nerves can get the best of anyone, but you shouldn't question the authority of an artist of his caliber.