Wow, insane to see Preston Mattingly on here. I went to High School with him at Central in Evansville, Indiana. He was a year ahead of me and was a baseball phenomenon. I remember when the Dodgers drafted him, we were all so glad for him because he was such a good dude. Shame it didn't work out for him but I guess it hard to live up to expectations when your Dad is a Baseball Legend.
Calvin Murray will forever live on in highlight reels, as he was the batter at the plate in a 2001 spring training game when Randy Johnson hit the bird.
@@HummBabyBaseballyou should do a version of this video for major international signing busts. Maybe split it into 2 vids, 1 for latin america busts and 1 for asian busts.
Mariners sure picked bad during the 2000s and early 2010s. Ackley was not just a good but a great college hitter, it just was one of those where he could hit with aluminum but didn’t have the ability to go up the middle and to opposite field. Bailed out with his stride is my best guess as to why
The dude never hit below .400 in college! Exactly how is that “good-but-not-great”?! Okay, he may have had some weaknesses, but so does everyone that’s ever picked up a bat.
@@geoffoldread7684 dear Geoff I believe you may have read what I said incorrectly. I said ackley wasn’t just a good player that got picked high, he was a great college player.
Ackley was a huge disappointment as a Mariners fan. The hype he brought to our farm system was big, and when he was called up expectations were high. The biggest factor had to be the mismanagement of his development by our system. If anything he was provided a effective example of how not to develop a top prospect
Eddie Zosky was the one I recall. Stud in College, tried out for the US olympic team, hit almost .400, drafted twice. Jays took him, touted him as the SS of the future (one writer actually (stupidly) compared him to Gehrig), and started him all the way up in AA. Dude hung around for almost a decade in the minors, got cups of coffee with several teams and finished with like a .150 BA for his career.
Hard to call Big Ben a bust, at nearly 1300 career innings pitched with an ERA+ of 115, and a 78-70 record. An above average MLB pitcher for 9 years is far from a bust. On the other hand, as a Giants fan, I completely agree that C-AAA-lvin Murray was a bust. There will be many other future Giants first round busts, the way Zaidi drafts.
As a lifetime O's fan, Ben was absolutely a bust. Only ever had like 3 seasons where he didn't miss time on DL and he never lived up to the massive hype around him.
Mark Appel at least seemed to have found his stride in Philly this year. I mean, yeah, it's a small sample size, but If he keeps having years like that, he might be able to carve up a feel-good story about his perseverance and adversity. I mean, that's still a far cry from what was expected of him when he was selected first overall, but there are other players who have met far worse fates.
The unfortunate part of the Kiki Jones story was the Dodgers should have drafted him as a postion player because he was the best athlete I ever played with or ever saw on a baseball field , I know this because I was his catcher in High school for 3 years . He played shortstop when he wasn't pitching and he was probably are best hitter as well . In 1988 he played for Team USA in the junior Olympics as a third baseman and won a gold medal and mvp during the tournament in Australia . He was Mookie Betts 20 years before he ever played and more athletic than him , which is saying a lot .
Atleast some of them made the big league level. Paul Coleman could not even get out of the minors. Coleman was a 1st round pick for the Cardinals in 1989, 1 pick before the White Sox picked up Frank Thomas.
Stanley Boderick - Look into this guy. 1st round draft pick of the Chicago Cubs in 1982. Played 4 seasons in the minor leagues never making it pass full season low A ball.
Thanks for putting these videos together! I'm really enjoying these bust videos! I was only really familiar with Ben McDonald and Billy Beane from their playing days. Unsure if he's a bust, but 1998 #1 pick Austin Kearns was a major disappointment for the Reds. They then drafted Adam Dunn #2 that year, expecting Kearns and Dunn to join Ken Griffey, Jr. to form a premiere outfield.
There's a pitcher named Justin Thompson that would probably be a baffler to most. He was picked late in the 1st, seemed to be a success story to the point of an all-star in the MLB in his second season then it all unraveled to being out of major league baseball just 24 months later for 5 full seasons until 2005 where he only pitched that one season for the Rangers never to be seen again. Edit: It would be 2 parts Brandon Webb and 3 parts Kiki Jones where the bust comes more in hindsight of what you might have had if Thompson was healthy.
John Means was drafted *45 ROUNDS AFTER* Bubba and from the exact same high school, in the same year! He went on to play college ball but he’s a very solid player.
3rd base for the Angels is where top potentials go to die: Dallas McPherson, George Arias, Brandon Wood...Troy Glaus was our only home grown star 3rd sacker. After him you have to go all the way back to Carney Landsford to find a home grown 3rd baseman, all the others were trades/agents
Matt Anderson should be in this list too. He was the #1 overall pick for the Tigers in the 1997. He started off well in the Minors in 1998 with Single A and Double A with a 0.66 ERA with a 2-0 record and with 13 saves which would give him a call up to the Big Leagues. He would have a 3.27 ERA along with a 5-1 record. After that he wouldn't be the same again. The next year he would have a ERA that was over 5.00 and the Year after a ERA over 4.7. He would then go to the Rockies and he would also be terrible in 2005 Also that would be the last time he pitch in the Majors.
The Detroit Tigers were plagued by these kinds of pitchers between Matt Anderson, Jeremy Bonderman, Justin Thompson, Mike Maroth, and Joel Zumaya in the 1990s and mid 2000s where they'd even pitch a solid season or two just to physically unravel with only Thompson being an all-star and Bonderman being the longest lasting but not effective past 2008 and replacement level for the final few years. Edit: As in Bonderman was the longest lasting of those and he pretty much self-destructed at 26. Thompson was a late 1st and a bit high achieving, but the bust is more going from All Star in his second season to gone in 24 months.
I wonder how many career were destroyed during the 70’s and 80’s when teams rushed guys to the majors who had legit talent. What could have been if they just let them develop naturally
Hey Erik let's get a live stream going. Farhan is on the verge of blowing it again. And as I'm sure you already know the Dodgers just signed Shelby Miller, what's going on the Giants front office
The New York Mets draft history is riddled with busts Terry Blocker, Paul Wilson, Tim Leary, Butch Benton and others. The thing that made these busts bigger were that all of these players were among the top ten picks taken in that years draft.
Kirk Presley (3rd cousin of Elvis) drafted either #8 or 9 overall in 93 by Mets. Had what was considered at the time to be one of the best high school pitching careers ever. Never made it past A+ level and had 3 or 4 major arm surgeries in his 5 year career.
Clint Hartung, P/RF, New York Giants Hartung was one of the most hyped prospects of his generation, mostly due to the eye-popping numbers he put up playing for military teams during World War II. During that span, the Texas native went 25-0 on the mound and batted .567 against competition that featured other major leaguers. The New York Giants were so impressed that they signed Hartung for $35,000, a hefty sum for the time. Expectations were sky-high, with one sportswriter suggesting Hartung should skip the Polo Grounds and head straight to Cooperstown. Once in a Giants uniform, however, the luster faded. Hartung finished his five-year career with a 5.02 ERA and .238 batting average.
As a Marlins fan there was some buzz about Tyler Kolek when he was first picked as the 2nd overall pick in 2014. He was hyped as this topline prospect that threw triple digits, and he was hyped so much that even Nolan Ryan thought he was going to become someone special. He never made it to AA. Also, fun fact. The players selected after Kolek in the 2014 Draft? Carlos Rodon. Aaron Nola. Kyle Schwarber. Trea Turner. Michael Conforto. Matt Chapman. That's a big whiff if I've ever seen one.
As an Oriole fan I take exception to Ben McDonald being on this list. Those other guys never got more then a cup of coffee in the bigs. Yes ben was #1 overall pick but he wasn't terrible. Era+ Tom Glavine. 118 Ben McDonald. 115 Madison Bumgarner 112 Jack Morris. 105
I wouldn’t call Ben McDonald a bust either. He never became the superstar the Orioles expected him to be but a winning record and an ERA below 4 isn’t bad
Woah woah woah! Am I missing Mark Appel here on a prior list?? I’ve watched two so far and haven’t seen him! He was a disaster, drafted twice and screwed my Pirates over the first time!!
There is nothing awe-inspiring about the pitching statistics of junior Bill Bene of Cal State Los Angeles. In 40 innings, he has a 5-3 record, 41 strikeouts, 43 walks, 13 wild pitches and a 6.86 earned-run average. Obviously, the 20-year-old Bene is not the most consistent pitcher in the world. “You never know what will happen when he pitches,” said John Herbold, Cal State L.A.'s coach. “He might throw a no-hitter or he might walk the whole park.” Maybe so, but that hasn’t kept pro scouts from flocking to games he has pitched this season. It is not unusual to have as many as 50 scouts in the stands when Bene is on the mound.
What about the other two or three pitchers who the A's drafted in the first round the same year with Todd Van Poppel - Don Peters, David Zancanaro and Kirk Dressendorfer? They were ALL a cup of coffee in MLB.
Lmfao operating a counterfeit karaoke business 😂😂😂 i don't know what to do with that outside laugh. You get 6 months for that? Must've been some awful singing
Will do random dude - I'll make a note of it! It may be a few weeks before I get to part 3, I have a few other documentaries coming out first but I will include him for sure.
2 videos and no mention of the Phillies taking Jeff Jackson who they took 4th overall in 1989. Frank Thomas was drafted 2 picks later. And -1 point for showing Mike Trout in his jerky Millville high school uniform.
Brady aiken. Went 1st ovr to houston and didnt sign. Tore up his arm in college and the cleveland drafted him at 17. I dont think he ever made it past single a
And thank god the Stros didn't sign him. Got the comp #2 pick in the next years draft. Picked a guy named Alex Bregman , kinda turned out ok for the Stros!
Darren Dreifort? He pitched 9 years during the peak of the steroid era, and more or less pitched at a league-average level. (95 ERA+, where 100 is considered average) Was he great? No. But he wasn't a truly awful player. Tyler Kolek, another fellow second overall pick, had a far worse fate. Dude didn't even make it to AA before being out of baseball.
Have to question Ben McDonald being called a bust. Dude wasn't the superstar the scouts projected him to be as a #1 overall pick, but he was an above average major league pitcher.
I remember Bill Bene. Jose Offerman was a bum, too!! Those late 1980s Dodgers draft picks were mostly bums. Erik Karros, Mike Piazza, Raul Mondesi, Hideo Nomo and Todd Hollingsworth did well with the Dodgers back in the 1990s! Preston Mattingly was a bum because he couldn't hit the curve or the rising fast ball, amongst other pitches. Ben McDonald was a sad case, because him and Mike Mussina were suppose to lead the Orioles rotation in the 1990s. Kiki Jones never made it to the Dodgers! Calvin Murray was suppose to be the next Will Clark, at worst, and Willie Mays, at best. He ended up being a bust!!
I had a few ben McDonald rookie cards was excited to see him pitch against the rangers but he was injured. It's sad to see a rookie card of a player young and happy and they just never get it together or injuries took there toll on them.
On Bubba Starling, there were also issues with his attentiveness and his desire to play baseball. He became something of an inside joke to Royal's fans, who've used him and Kyle Zimmer as major indictments of the Royals' FO and inability to draft well and/or develop talent. But hey, at least we'll be getting a new downtown stadium that they can lose in!
I think putting Ben McDonald on this list is harsh. The guy had 200 starts in the majors and a career ERA under 4. His average WAR/162 was +3.5, which is above average for a MLB starting pitcher. Is that an underperformance based on his substantial hype as a "can't miss" #1 pick? Sure. But that doesn't really count as a "bust" in my mind. Despite being unduly rushed to the majors, he was a decent MLB pitcher for a decade. There are many, many top draft picks who did far worse. Heck, just look at that 1989 draft where McDonald went #1. The guy who went #2, Tyler Houston, took 6 years to make the show and was a MLB journeyman with a 0.3 WAR/162 for his career. And he was WAY better than the guys that followed! The guy who went #3 overall, Roger Salkeld (a name avid baseball card collectors of that era will remember), had only 29 MLB appearances and a 5.20 ERA with a career WAR of 0.6. The guys who went #4 and #6 overall were OFs who never made the majors. The guy who went #5 played 82 career games with a .205 average and a career WAR of -1.5. The guy who went #8 never made it past A-ball. Ok, the guy who went #7 was decent...Frank Thomas. But you get my point.
Jurickson Profar. The guy was the #1 prospect in baseball for a year or so, but was terrible for the Rangers. When he wasn't hurt, he just wasn't good. He couldn't even throw the ball as a middle infielder without hurting his shoulder somehow someway... just awful.
@@HummBabyBaseball then you got a million morons who don't know what "bust" means. Did he live up to the hype? No. But a 9 year career, with a 78-70 record and 198 starts means he was a solid contributor for a long time. Any Oriole fans who think of McDonald as a bust are definitely the minority. Most Baltimore fans love Big Ben.
Why do people think most players (ie can’t miss prospect) “bust”? Is it the step up in competition? Their mental game? Injuries? Work-ethic? It is really a mystery because most of these guys have/had scouts drooling. Happens in every sport where high expectations guy fail and low expectations guys thrive.
@@Eibarwoman A VERY rough calculation indicates the 1/1 MLB draft pick produces 19 WAR career. McDonald's 162 game average WAR was 3.5. (If I recall 4 is All-Star level.) Brien Taylor 1991, Phil Nevin 1992, Paul Wilson 1994, Kris Benson 1996, Matt Anderson 1997, Pat Burrell 1998, Bryan Bullington 2002, Delmon Young 2003, Matt Bush 2004 (His 2.5 bWAR isn't getting to 20.), Luke Hockevar 2006, Tim Beckham 2008, Mark Appel 2013, Brady Aiken 2014 are all 1/1 drafts after McDonald who won't get 20 career WAR. I think 2016 Mickey Moniak is a safe bet to fail to reach that threshhold as well but is certainly young enough to have a solid career. 2018 Casey Mize won't be coming back from TJ until his age 27 year. He currently holds career 2.7 bWAR. He absolutely has a chance to produce more than Ben McDonald's 20.8 but would have to average around 5 per year through his peak seasons (One of which will be his comeback year likely to produce far less.) and possibly play through his age 35 season at an above average if not elite rate. Possible? Absolutely. Statistically likely? I wouldn't bet against the house. 2020 Spencer Torkelson is still young but a firstbaseman with poor fielding skills and a very rough first year bat? Getting to 20 bWAR career will be a challenge. McDonald was an excellent player who was struck down by injuries. I'd still take his career.
@@jeffrhall9219 McDonald's just a case of injury riddled which is a common reason for talent busts and one season wonders (Justin Thompson's 3.03 ERA 1997 followed by 5 year absence out of the MLB from 2000-04)
This was posted today in an article on The Athletic RE: Pittsburgh landing the number one pick today. Sorry to belabor the point. A 2022 study in the Journal of Sports Analytics found that out of draft picks selected from 2005-15, picks No. 1 to 5 produced an average career WAR rating of 13.29.
Donavan Tate is one of the biggest busts ever. 3rd overall and never making it past high A ball! That is TERRIBLE scouting. How do all the MLB scouts tout him so highly and he hits .226 in Rookie to High A ball!
Please note that de Billy Bean prospect and the Billy Beane MLB executive are 2 different people. The player/bust since his playing days has been more famous because of being one of the first openly gay athletes. Has a book that speaks to it and is an advocate for inclusion in profesional sports, being an official MLB spokesperson
I know about the other Billy Bean and have read his book.. great book and story. I know people get them mixed up but I never have cuz I knew of them both in the 80s.
Billy Bean and Billy Beane are two different people but Billy Beane the executive was a bust. Billy Bean the openly gay athlete was drafted in the 4th round so although he wasn't a good player, not hyped enough to be a bust.
Wow, insane to see Preston Mattingly on here. I went to High School with him at Central in Evansville, Indiana. He was a year ahead of me and was a baseball phenomenon. I remember when the Dodgers drafted him, we were all so glad for him because he was such a good dude. Shame it didn't work out for him but I guess it hard to live up to expectations when your Dad is a Baseball Legend.
Calvin Murray will forever live on in highlight reels, as he was the batter at the plate in a 2001 spring training game when Randy Johnson hit the bird.
His claim to fame
What a great piece of trivia
@@HummBabyBaseballyou should do a version of this video for major international signing busts. Maybe split it into 2 vids, 1 for latin america busts and 1 for asian busts.
@@unkledoda420 ohh YES coming soon!!
Mariners sure picked bad during the 2000s and early 2010s. Ackley was not just a good but a great college hitter, it just was one of those where he could hit with aluminum but didn’t have the ability to go up the middle and to opposite field. Bailed out with his stride is my best guess as to why
The dude never hit below .400 in college! Exactly how is that “good-but-not-great”?! Okay, he may have had some weaknesses, but so does everyone that’s ever picked up a bat.
@@geoffoldread7684 dear Geoff I believe you may have read what I said incorrectly. I said ackley wasn’t just a good player that got picked high, he was a great college player.
@@chrislewis5069 Ha, yep, I thought you'd written "a good, not great, hitter." My bad.
Ackley was a huge disappointment as a Mariners fan. The hype he brought to our farm system was big, and when he was called up expectations were high. The biggest factor had to be the mismanagement of his development by our system. If anything he was provided a effective example of how not to develop a top prospect
It was either Solid but underwhelming (Ackley) or Falls Apart like Danny H...or blossoms right after the Trade like Ketel Marte.
Best porn mustache: Bill Bene.
Eddie Zosky was the one I recall. Stud in College, tried out for the US olympic team, hit almost .400, drafted twice. Jays took him, touted him as the SS of the future (one writer actually (stupidly) compared him to Gehrig), and started him all the way up in AA. Dude hung around for almost a decade in the minors, got cups of coffee with several teams and finished with like a .150 BA for his career.
McDonald really didn’t belong with this group in my opinion, I’d term him more disappointment rather than bust.
Agreed 100%
Hard to call Big Ben a bust, at nearly 1300 career innings pitched with an ERA+ of 115, and a 78-70 record. An above average MLB pitcher for 9 years is far from a bust. On the other hand, as a Giants fan, I completely agree that C-AAA-lvin Murray was a bust. There will be many other future Giants first round busts, the way Zaidi drafts.
As a lifetime O's fan, Ben was absolutely a bust. Only ever had like 3 seasons where he didn't miss time on DL and he never lived up to the massive hype around him.
Negative giants fans 🥱
Bro I fell out when you showed the bugs bunny cartoon conga line baserunners 😂😂😂
You do an excellent job with these videos. They're keeping my interest in baseball alive.
Great video! Some names around my era being big busts like Fernando Martinez, Jesus Montero, Matt Dominguez, Mark Appel
Mark Appel at least seemed to have found his stride in Philly this year. I mean, yeah, it's a small sample size, but If he keeps having years like that, he might be able to carve up a feel-good story about his perseverance and adversity. I mean, that's still a far cry from what was expected of him when he was selected first overall, but there are other players who have met far worse fates.
Fernando Martinez def a bust. As a Mets fan, dude did absolutely nothing for ny when he got his call up
Legend has it there are Factories that still churn out boxes of 88 Donruss and and double print Jeffries
Can’t trust any of them Upper Deck Panini whatever.
The unfortunate part of the Kiki Jones story was the Dodgers should have drafted him as a postion player because he was the best athlete I ever played with or ever saw on a baseball field , I know this because I was his catcher in High school for 3 years . He played shortstop when he wasn't pitching and he was probably are best hitter as well . In 1988 he played for Team USA in the junior Olympics as a third baseman and won a gold medal and mvp during the tournament in Australia . He was Mookie Betts 20 years before he ever played and more athletic than him , which is saying a lot .
I agree Matt. We was stacked!
Ty Griffin was the biggest bust of the 1989 Topps set.
I still have his card in one of my old books.
Atleast some of them made the big league level. Paul Coleman could not even get out of the minors. Coleman was a 1st round pick for the Cardinals in 1989, 1 pick before the White Sox picked up Frank Thomas.
Stanley Boderick - Look into this guy. 1st round draft pick of the Chicago Cubs in 1982. Played 4 seasons in the minor leagues never making it pass full season low A ball.
Yeah, knew Calvin Murray was coming...he just never could hit at the MLB level
Was he also part of the “exploding dove” at-bat against Randy Johnson?
Yes forgot to mention that
Cory Rasmus, first round pick by the Braves in 2007, only 84 career MLB appearances with a 4-5 record and a 4.17 ERA
It would be interesting to see a where-are-they-now series.
Thanks for putting these videos together! I'm really enjoying these bust videos!
I was only really familiar with Ben McDonald and Billy Beane from their playing days.
Unsure if he's a bust, but 1998 #1 pick Austin Kearns was a major disappointment for the Reds. They then drafted Adam Dunn #2 that year, expecting Kearns and Dunn to join Ken Griffey, Jr. to form a premiere outfield.
If you do a third series, you're probably going to need to add Joey Bart to that list.
Was so happy bubba had a chance to play when he came up
There's a pitcher named Justin Thompson that would probably be a baffler to most. He was picked late in the 1st, seemed to be a success story to the point of an all-star in the MLB in his second season then it all unraveled to being out of major league baseball just 24 months later for 5 full seasons until 2005 where he only pitched that one season for the Rangers never to be seen again.
Edit: It would be 2 parts Brandon Webb and 3 parts Kiki Jones where the bust comes more in hindsight of what you might have had if Thompson was healthy.
Def my favorite baseball channel
John Means was drafted *45 ROUNDS AFTER* Bubba and from the exact same high school, in the same year! He went on to play college ball but he’s a very solid player.
Pitched a no hitter last year I believe. Pretty good pitcher with the Os. Coming back from injury now.
3rd base for the Angels is where top potentials go to die: Dallas McPherson, George Arias, Brandon Wood...Troy Glaus was our only home grown star 3rd sacker. After him you have to go all the way back to Carney Landsford to find a home grown 3rd baseman, all the others were trades/agents
Matt Anderson should be in this list too. He was the #1 overall pick for the Tigers in the 1997. He started off well in the Minors in 1998 with Single A and Double A with a 0.66 ERA with a 2-0 record and with 13 saves which would give him a call up to the Big Leagues. He would have a 3.27 ERA along with a 5-1 record. After that he wouldn't be the same again. The next year he would have a ERA that was over 5.00 and the Year after a ERA over 4.7. He would then go to the Rockies and he would also be terrible in 2005 Also that would be the last time he pitch in the Majors.
The Detroit Tigers were plagued by these kinds of pitchers between Matt Anderson, Jeremy Bonderman, Justin Thompson, Mike Maroth, and Joel Zumaya in the 1990s and mid 2000s where they'd even pitch a solid season or two just to physically unravel with only Thompson being an all-star and Bonderman being the longest lasting but not effective past 2008 and replacement level for the final few years.
Edit: As in Bonderman was the longest lasting of those and he pretty much self-destructed at 26. Thompson was a late 1st and a bit high achieving, but the bust is more going from All Star in his second season to gone in 24 months.
Baseball is the closet thing to a pure meritocracy in sports.
Aren’t Billy Beane and Billy Bean two different people?
Love the videos though!
I wonder how many career were destroyed during the 70’s and 80’s when teams rushed guys to the majors who had legit talent. What could have been if they just let them develop naturally
What he didn’t point out is that Starling was a massive QB recruit and had signed to play for Nebraska.
Augie Schmidt - 2nd overall pick in 1980. Never made it to the majors!
Hey Erik let's get a live stream going. Farhan is on the verge of blowing it again. And as I'm sure you already know the Dodgers just signed Shelby Miller, what's going on the Giants front office
Coming soon maybe tonight
Great video
The New York Mets draft history is riddled with busts Terry Blocker, Paul Wilson, Tim Leary, Butch Benton and others. The thing that made these busts bigger were that all of these players were among the top ten picks taken in that years draft.
Kirk Presley (3rd cousin of Elvis) drafted either #8 or 9 overall in 93 by Mets. Had what was considered at the time to be one of the best high school pitching careers ever. Never made it past A+ level and had 3 or 4 major arm surgeries in his 5 year career.
I found Bill Rowell in the 2006 MLB Draft. Started out as the #9 overall pick by the Orioles, and didn't get above AA.
Clint Hartung, P/RF, New York Giants
Hartung was one of the most hyped prospects of his generation, mostly due to the eye-popping numbers he put up playing for military teams during World War II. During that span, the Texas native went 25-0 on the mound and batted .567 against competition that featured other major leaguers. The New York Giants were so impressed that they signed Hartung for $35,000, a hefty sum for the time. Expectations were sky-high, with one sportswriter suggesting Hartung should skip the Polo Grounds and head straight to Cooperstown. Once in a Giants uniform, however, the luster faded. Hartung finished his five-year career with a 5.02 ERA and .238 batting average.
Jim Fuller, Orioles, early 70s
Billy Beane was all hype, at least that's what my dad said! I'm 41, so he played before my time! The rest of the dudes, never heard of them.
As a Marlins fan there was some buzz about Tyler Kolek when he was first picked as the 2nd overall pick in 2014. He was hyped as this topline prospect that threw triple digits, and he was hyped so much that even Nolan Ryan thought he was going to become someone special. He never made it to AA.
Also, fun fact. The players selected after Kolek in the 2014 Draft? Carlos Rodon. Aaron Nola. Kyle Schwarber. Trea Turner. Michael Conforto. Matt Chapman. That's a big whiff if I've ever seen one.
This is the other guy like akin both both did nothing
As an Oriole fan I take exception to Ben McDonald being on this list. Those other guys never got more then a cup of coffee in the bigs. Yes ben was #1 overall pick but he wasn't terrible.
Era+
Tom Glavine. 118
Ben McDonald. 115
Madison Bumgarner 112
Jack Morris. 105
I wouldn’t call Ben McDonald a bust either. He never became the superstar the Orioles expected him to be but a winning record and an ERA below 4 isn’t bad
As a lifetime O's i completely agree with Ben being on the list. He was good when he wasn't on the DL. He only had like 3 full seasons.
How’s bout some old cubs …. Corey Patterson - Dwight smith - Jerome Walton- I could go on 😢
Woah woah woah! Am I missing Mark Appel here on a prior list?? I’ve watched two so far and haven’t seen him! He was a disaster, drafted twice and screwed my Pirates over the first time!!
There is nothing awe-inspiring about the pitching statistics of junior Bill Bene of Cal State Los Angeles.
In 40 innings, he has a 5-3 record, 41 strikeouts, 43 walks, 13 wild pitches and a 6.86 earned-run average.
Obviously, the 20-year-old Bene is not the most consistent pitcher in the world.
“You never know what will happen when he pitches,” said John Herbold, Cal State L.A.'s coach. “He might throw a no-hitter or he might walk the whole park.”
Maybe so, but that hasn’t kept pro scouts from flocking to games he has pitched this season. It is not unusual to have as many as 50 scouts in the stands when Bene is on the mound.
I remember being so hyped when I pulled a donovan Tate auto rookie card
Ben McDonald does TV for the Orioles and does well.
What about the other two or three pitchers who the A's drafted in the first round the same year with Todd Van Poppel - Don Peters, David Zancanaro and Kirk Dressendorfer? They were ALL a cup of coffee in MLB.
How Mark Appell didn't make this list is beyond me!! He has to be top 20 ever
He's in part 1 of this list, this is part 2.
Ben McDonald was too good to be on this list.
The Royals also gave Bubba Starling $7.5 million to forego a football scholarship to Nebraska.
Starling was from Kansas City and the Royals just couldn't pass on him.
Lmfao operating a counterfeit karaoke business 😂😂😂 i don't know what to do with that outside laugh. You get 6 months for that? Must've been some awful singing
Great vid could you do a part 3 and if you do add the NYY First round pick Dante Bichette Jr
Will do random dude - I'll make a note of it! It may be a few weeks before I get to part 3, I have a few other documentaries coming out first but I will include him for sure.
@@HummBabyBaseball bet bro hope SFG can do good in 2023 very high on Kyle Harrison
2 videos and no mention of the Phillies taking Jeff Jackson who they took 4th overall in 1989. Frank Thomas was drafted 2 picks later. And -1 point for showing Mike Trout in his jerky Millville high school uniform.
Ben MacDonald played for my hometown Orleans Cardinals on the Cape League.
Brady aiken. Went 1st ovr to houston and didnt sign. Tore up his arm in college and the cleveland drafted him at 17. I dont think he ever made it past single a
And thank god the Stros didn't sign him. Got the comp #2 pick in the next years draft. Picked a guy named Alex Bregman , kinda turned out ok for the Stros!
Ben McDonald is not deserving of being on this list. 78 career wins, almost 21 wins above replacement, and a 115 ERA+
Where does Matt LaPorta fit into one of these lists?
Darren Dreifort was a bust. So was Eric Yelding and Eric Anthony.
Darren Dreifort? He pitched 9 years during the peak of the steroid era, and more or less pitched at a league-average level. (95 ERA+, where 100 is considered average)
Was he great? No. But he wasn't a truly awful player. Tyler Kolek, another fellow second overall pick, had a far worse fate. Dude didn't even make it to AA before being out of baseball.
How about Brady Aiken? He had Tommy John surgery, and was drafted in the first round twice, and never made it to the majors.
H forgot about this dude
Yasmany Tomas wouldnt be a bad person to include
Have to question Ben McDonald being called a bust. Dude wasn't the superstar the scouts projected him to be as a #1 overall pick, but he was an above average major league pitcher.
He could never stay healthy. Only 3 full seasons in a 9-10 year career.
Love this, but Danny Hultzen deserves a passing mention as well. 2nd in 2011, 2nd worst of the top 32 picks.
Ouch...some serious Busts.
I remember Bill Bene. Jose Offerman was a bum, too!! Those late 1980s Dodgers draft picks were mostly bums. Erik Karros, Mike Piazza, Raul Mondesi, Hideo Nomo and Todd Hollingsworth did well with the Dodgers back in the 1990s! Preston Mattingly was a bum because he couldn't hit the curve or the rising fast ball, amongst other pitches. Ben McDonald was a sad case, because him and Mike Mussina were suppose to lead the Orioles rotation in the 1990s. Kiki Jones never made it to the Dodgers! Calvin Murray was suppose to be the next Will Clark, at worst, and Willie Mays, at best. He ended up being a bust!!
I had a few ben McDonald rookie cards was excited to see him pitch against the rangers but he was injured. It's sad to see a rookie card of a player young and happy and they just never get it together or injuries took there toll on them.
Surprised Braves pitcher John Rocker wasn't on this list. Probably because most people don't remember him. 😂😂
Oh i remember him.. he was probably too good to be a top 20 bust of all time.. unless I remember wrong.. he was pretty good for a short while no?
If he's remembered at all it's for all the wrong reasons
On Bubba Starling, there were also issues with his attentiveness and his desire to play baseball. He became something of an inside joke to Royal's fans, who've used him and Kyle Zimmer as major indictments of the Royals' FO and inability to draft well and/or develop talent. But hey, at least we'll be getting a new downtown stadium that they can lose in!
The machine brought me here
I think putting Ben McDonald on this list is harsh. The guy had 200 starts in the majors and a career ERA under 4. His average WAR/162 was +3.5, which is above average for a MLB starting pitcher. Is that an underperformance based on his substantial hype as a "can't miss" #1 pick? Sure. But that doesn't really count as a "bust" in my mind. Despite being unduly rushed to the majors, he was a decent MLB pitcher for a decade. There are many, many top draft picks who did far worse. Heck, just look at that 1989 draft where McDonald went #1. The guy who went #2, Tyler Houston, took 6 years to make the show and was a MLB journeyman with a 0.3 WAR/162 for his career. And he was WAY better than the guys that followed! The guy who went #3 overall, Roger Salkeld (a name avid baseball card collectors of that era will remember), had only 29 MLB appearances and a 5.20 ERA with a career WAR of 0.6. The guys who went #4 and #6 overall were OFs who never made the majors. The guy who went #5 played 82 career games with a .205 average and a career WAR of -1.5. The guy who went #8 never made it past A-ball. Ok, the guy who went #7 was decent...Frank Thomas. But you get my point.
Again. All Stars are chosen by the FANS!!!
Brady Aiken? Thoughts? 🤷🏻
What causes someone to walk double the innings they pitched??
Jurickson Profar. The guy was the #1 prospect in baseball for a year or so, but was terrible for the Rangers. When he wasn't hurt, he just wasn't good. He couldn't even throw the ball as a middle infielder without hurting his shoulder somehow someway... just awful.
He’s revived his career in San Diego.
Brien Taylor.
Here’s a good one Earl Cunningham…
What about Brad Lincoln??
I’m 60 and still haven’t had my break out, go figure.
Ty griffin
McDonald wasn't a bust, some I remember, Preston Mattingly I didn't even know made it that far in the minors
I feel you, but I got a million comments telling me I'm an idiot for not including McDonald in the Top 10 Video
@@HummBabyBaseball Yikes these people.
@@HummBabyBaseball then you got a million morons who don't know what "bust" means. Did he live up to the hype? No. But a 9 year career, with a 78-70 record and 198 starts means he was a solid contributor for a long time. Any Oriole fans who think of McDonald as a bust are definitely the minority. Most Baltimore fans love Big Ben.
Calvin Murray…uncle of Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray
Bill Bene...a college pitcher who threw in the mid-90's would get the attention of scouts. He had poor control and didn't work out for him.
Why do people think most players (ie can’t miss prospect) “bust”? Is it the step up in competition? Their mental game? Injuries? Work-ethic? It is really a mystery because most of these guys have/had scouts drooling. Happens in every sport where high expectations guy fail and low expectations guys thrive.
Brien Taylor Yankees
Travis Snider Blue jays
Even though he hasn't retired yet add Anthony seigler NYY 1st round pick of 2018
Ben McDonald has a career bWAR 20.8 and 115 ERA+ career. That is not a failure.
You're right but 100 people called me an idiot for not putting him in my top 10
He's not a bad player, just not what you'd expect from the 1st overall pick in the MLB draft where you usually get something much better.
@@Eibarwoman A VERY rough calculation indicates the 1/1 MLB draft pick produces 19 WAR career. McDonald's 162 game average WAR was 3.5. (If I recall 4 is All-Star level.)
Brien Taylor 1991, Phil Nevin 1992, Paul Wilson 1994, Kris Benson 1996, Matt Anderson 1997, Pat Burrell 1998, Bryan Bullington 2002, Delmon Young 2003, Matt Bush 2004 (His 2.5 bWAR isn't getting to 20.), Luke Hockevar 2006, Tim Beckham 2008, Mark Appel 2013, Brady Aiken 2014 are all 1/1 drafts after McDonald who won't get 20 career WAR.
I think 2016 Mickey Moniak is a safe bet to fail to reach that threshhold as well but is certainly young enough to have a solid career.
2018 Casey Mize won't be coming back from TJ until his age 27 year. He currently holds career 2.7 bWAR. He absolutely has a chance to produce more than Ben McDonald's 20.8 but would have to average around 5 per year through his peak seasons (One of which will be his comeback year likely to produce far less.) and possibly play through his age 35 season at an above average if not elite rate. Possible? Absolutely. Statistically likely? I wouldn't bet against the house.
2020 Spencer Torkelson is still young but a firstbaseman with poor fielding skills and a very rough first year bat? Getting to 20 bWAR career will be a challenge.
McDonald was an excellent player who was struck down by injuries. I'd still take his career.
@@jeffrhall9219 McDonald's just a case of injury riddled which is a common reason for talent busts and one season wonders (Justin Thompson's 3.03 ERA 1997 followed by 5 year absence out of the MLB from 2000-04)
This was posted today in an article on The Athletic RE: Pittsburgh landing the number one pick today. Sorry to belabor the point.
A 2022 study in the Journal of Sports Analytics found that out of draft picks selected from 2005-15, picks No. 1 to 5 produced an average career WAR rating of 13.29.
How about Drew Henson?
Donavan Tate is one of the biggest busts ever. 3rd overall and never making it past high A ball! That is TERRIBLE scouting. How do all the MLB scouts tout him so highly and he hits .226 in Rookie to High A ball!
Calvin Murray’s nephew is of course Kyler Murray
Greg Jeffries played 14years 2xall star
Jefferies won a batting title did he not
Todd van poppel
How about Brandon Larson
Sounds like Kenny Rogers
Ben McDonald wasn't a bust he got hurt at age 29 after having 6 very solid seasons in the middle of the steroid era.
Idc how many votes you get or how hyped you were, making it to the HoF ballot is nowhere near a bust.
Please note that de Billy Bean prospect and the Billy Beane MLB executive are 2 different people. The player/bust since his playing days has been more famous because of being one of the first openly gay athletes. Has a book that speaks to it and is an advocate for inclusion in profesional sports, being an official MLB spokesperson
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I know about the other Billy Bean and have read his book.. great book and story. I know people get them mixed up but I never have cuz I knew of them both in the 80s.
Billy Bean and Billy Beane are two different people but Billy Beane the executive was a bust. Billy Bean the openly gay athlete was drafted in the 4th round so although he wasn't a good player, not hyped enough to be a bust.
@@DaveBloodbow exactly
Maybe Mattingly would have benefited from college baseball.
That’s what she said
McDonald doesn’t belong here
Tell that to the 100 people who called me an idiot for not putting him in the top 10
“Unfortunately he wasn’t that great” 💀
Every sport had those, next great hopes, which failed miserably.