Track riding practise on the road: What can we work on?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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For many riders time on the track is limited, making practising the various skills needed for the track regularly quite difficult. In this video we talk about some of the ways in which you can practise track riding skills on the road. NOT in an attempt to ride faster, but to improve our fundamental application so that we can get up to speed quicker when we hit the track again.
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I've been practicing high lean angles at slow speeds in a car park. I can't believe more people don't do this. Gives you serious confidence in what you can do on your bike.
I'd love to do that, but I expect people to call the police and report me.
@@billsmart2532 If you can find somewhere fairly quiet and out of the way I doubt you would have a problem. The benefits are seriously worth it. You only need an hour or so at a time. After a couple of sessions you will be amazed at the progress you have made and the confidence you have on the bike.
I used to do this. Figure of eights in a car park getting used to flicking from side to side. Knee on the ground at 16mph was my best !!!
Richie Rich How exactly do you go about doing this? Have you never dropped the bike? How do you start?
@@daisychain8622 Nah, never dropped my bike. Can get my knee on the ground at pretty slow speeds. Just see if you can find a fairly big car park near you that doesn't get much use, Sundays are good for this, and just start doing some slow speed maneuvers. And work on doing some 180 turns and progress in to doing super tight circles increasing your lean angles. It will teach you so much and improve your riding heaps. There's a couple of good vids on UA-cam with demos.
Braking, throttle application, and body positioning.
On empty roads.
Same.
Eye discipline through turns is challenging on roads with an oncoming car, but very important. You have to look where your bike will not collide with the car, yet still corner quickly.
Almost never leave any comments but would like to say thank you to this young man. I'm new to riding, only got my license 6 months ago but have learned a lot from this channel.
Riding on public roads I focus entirely on my visual skill and engaging lower body to relax grip and start building that confidence. Going out tomorrow to East Yorkshire.. yesss!
My pleasure buddy!
I practice on the street and it’s like a scale of justice image with an angel and devil bouncing back and fourth.
If you have access and means to get to the track enough keep it there otherwise clover leafs at the end of parkways without traffic is about the best you’re going to get.
Well covered. Every ride is a practice.
Yet again a great topic covered!! Thanks Dan. Ride safe and live strong.
I would like to just add that road lines need to be completely different to racing lines. I've done a police bike assessment ride and it teaches you so much. 1 main point is road positioning. 4:40 you should have been on the white line and kept to it right until you can see your exit point. That allows you to tighten the corner if it unexpectedly tightens. If you're already on the apex and the corner tightens, you'll most probably end up on the other side of the road (or in the ditch if it's a right hander).
After starting track days, I now absolutely hate road riding. It's full of slow traffic and the best corners are all full of holes and grit.
All good points, Mike. I know this road very well though 😊
Was preparing the gadgets and backpack for a long solo ride on free way now and this video notification popped up, actually I was learning counter steering all these days but really wanted to add some more techniques that I could practice and this video really helping me which to add in my list. THANKS BRO
Great subject that's so applicable, thanks from New Zealand
Thank you for making these great videos!
Great video Dan. I have been *sorta* working at this, but you’ve done a great job Of clarifying and articulating the ideas.
Engaged lower body vs hanging off in particular. Hanging off, even on our most “enthusiastic” road rides, makes you look a doofus. Actively engaging your lower body and core - minus the gymnastics - still requires much of the presence and engagement.
Thanks. Great stuff as always!
Welcome back! What a pleasant surprise!
Thank you for sharing your knolege with us! Great videos, BIG LIKE!
Great topic, thanks! Also, new song at the end :0
Dude, wonderful video! Thanks for this!
As always, useful and clear instruction.
Great video. Good advice as always.
Awesome, AS ALWAYS! VISION-VISION-VISION! I like to work on BLIPPING and SLIPPING the clutch, too. 👍
Great advice. Another thing I do on mountain roads is to practice getting the BP set up before the turn, as in shifting from side to side without upsetting the bike and moving to the inside in advance of the actual turn.
Excellent advice!
Outstanding vid brother, solid points that will help many improve properly
I haven’t made it on the track yet. Canyons is where I’ve always ridden. I never knew I’ve been making so many subtle mistakes but as I watch your videos and implement it into my riding it has made a world of difference in my riding comfort. I can’t wait to make it on the track this year.
Excellent; all very good points!
Excellent video !!
Mega advice cheers mate
Like those type quick tips guys, that's awesome
Great channel! I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and currently ride a Honda Varadero 1000 Tourer. Planning on going to Donington to the Ron Haslam School to learn more on a sports bike.
Visual skills and, as you said, no matter what vehicle I am using.
Excellent suggestions.
nice ...good content as aways
Engaging core and thighs and keeping a loose grip is a priority for me to work on. Thanks for pointing that out.
Excellent video
Please increase your volume. It's always been just low enough that one has to out earphone on even in a quiet room.
Thank you. Been trying to reduce background noise recently and it's impacted my levels.
Up for this. But still use earphones cause content is spot on :)
@@LifeatLean try a basic limiter with a threshold option and push it till your peak levels are just touching the limiter (which is usually set to 0db).
👍great tips .. thank you from 🇨🇦
Great stuff as always, but I just taught for training lean angles,moto gymkana might be a good tool for practice as well.
Keep up the good work.
Chuck
Great video!! Can you make a video about training you recommend doing in a parking lot at lower speed to improve bike control and body position? Thanks you!
Thank you
Excelent video
I practice my lines through corners and trail braking on the roads
One thing that no one practices is braking. Even youtubers miss this topic. Hard braking needs to be learned its not as simple as smashing the front brake. While braking, you have to practice things like maintaining correct vision (dont look down, look at the corner), going straight from throttle to braking without coasting, trail braking in some corners, combining engine braking with brakes, etc. These are some of the things you need to practice on. You can practice this on the road and parking lots. It has to become muscle memory.
Another great video Dan! I agree with all - this was the comment I left on your last video: Skills not just for track riding! I just returned from the mountains of my home state of VA. It was my 1st motorcycle ride on what may be Virginia’s best sports car/motorcycle road - Route 16 between Marion and Tazewell - they call it The Back of The Dragon: 32 miles, up and over 3 mountains, through 2 valleys (be sure to stop at The BOTD store in Tazewell and say hi to Larry!). In 32 miles you’ll find every sort of curve you can think of - slow, fast, uphill, downhill, constant radius, decreasing radius, etc., mostly well banked, all laid out on delicious, well maintained asphalt. Oh, and the speed limit is 55! Keith Code’s CSS , taken in Mar. of this year, and your training videos all year long, enhanced the experience riding very technical mountain roads!! Props for all you do!!!
My pleasure Rob!
I don't do much track riding, but I found this video to have extremely good points just for riding more safely and confidently on the road - I took the Yamaha Street Champions course and your post echos much of what was taught there. Well done. Thanks!
I took "the ride it like you stole it" course.
@@LTLT900 I wanna take that course! lol
@@The333 ha ha ha.
Bro good video because no track around me nearest track 400km away
Hi, On the road you can work body position to relax your body, which allows you to feel the bike better in corner entry
I have got the challenge that on road i ride a naked, on track a SBK... they handle totaly different and sitting position is also different. Nevertheless all your points are very good! thx.
👍...enuf said!
Learn and practice emergency braking - it is your number one skill to master.
I came into the riding scene very late in life and one of the first thing I did was to sign up with a school that teaches advanced riding and my first time on a motorcycle was with them. they put me on a tiny bike and let me loose on an empty carpark and I was getting my knees down by the second session. albeit very slow speed on a very light bike.
the point I want to make is not that I am awesome in anyway, far from it, I am older and slower. if anything, the professional instructors deserve all the credit. I joined them mostly because I wanted to be safer on the road but through their course I discovered the joys of riding on a track.
I implore everyone to join an advanced training program to learn the proper way to ride the bike. it will change your life and save your life
Would you mind telling me where you took you advanced training?
@@stags-gr8to I am not based in the US. am from Asia so i don't think the info is gonna be much useful info to you. sorry mate. but a quick search on google should throw up some results near you
@@ferexx Okay thanks Zephyral........enjoy your bike!!
Great video, thanks! But the voice sound was too low.
Need a "what not to do" video
In practicing these things, how important is it that your street bike is the same as your track bike? My track bike is a Bmw hp4. My street bike is a Ducati Hyperstada.
I`ve come to the conclusion that me,as a novice rider/25 yr break from motorcycles,riding with very skilled riders including ex pro riders this year has NOT been the assett i tought it was. I scare myself shitless atleast once every time trying to keep up with them. And i am no better now than i was 5 months ago. All i have to show for this season is alot of close calls.
Country road bends go from open to tight and “Oh crap” in two seconds....high banks and hedges make it impossible to see across the apex. I would say only practice technique on roads you know well and...ensure you can stop in the road you can see to be clear ahead...otherwise one day you will round a bend straight into the arse of Mr. Tractor. Finally, coming off on the track you slide to a stop...on the road it is a tree or lamp post that stops you!!!
Whats your favorite track temperature ? I don't like doing anything below 20 degrees
20 degrees C?? You surely don't live in the UK 😆
Don't know if you noticed, but you were on the *wrong* side of the road 😅
@@zackerman618 What?? They ride on the right side in Europe... not the left side
@@Striple It is Britton standard and we follow the same in India too, riding on the left.
@@susindhransridhar4203 99% in Europe rides on the right side. That is my point. Only in the UK is riding on the left side normal. India is not Europe
@@Striple I see, thanks for the info mate, I wasn't meant to start an argument and your previous comment isn't that particular as this comment. I apologize if it seems like an argument in anyway.
@@susindhransridhar4203 it's ok. No problem 👍 You don't need to apologize for me. I didn't mean to start a discussion. Have a great day, take care.
I would never use any track techniques on the road 🤪
Check out Motojitsu for some really good carpark exercises to help
where should we look when on a blind corner?
everss02 I don’t even try to take blind corners very fast because where I ride there could easily be a couple cows just past the apex or a car stopped, looking at said cows or just looking over at the view. Never underestimate the driver’s stupidity!
As said, be sure you have a line that allows seeing the longest stretch of the road possible, to have more time to react and don't go faster than one you can stop witin the space you can actually see, with margin.
Hst, you look at the intersection of the road and what blocks you seeing farther. This way you can at least tell if the corner tightens, keeps the current radius, opens up.
Turn in super late and trail brake until you can see thru the corner-that said, on track or street I look through the corner even if I’m just staring at the pit wall or a gaggle of trees. I still turn my head and look thru the turn even though I can’t actually see the exit yet. Hope that helps!
At the trees, buildings, hedges, lampposts, SatNav, that show you where the corner actually goes beyond the vanishing point, and of course be able to stop in the distance that you can see to be clear...
1 view and two thumbs up xD
as well as your feet positioning.
Practice for the road on the track, NOT the other way around.
If you want to be fast on the track, stop riding road bikes and get a cheap 125cc scrambler to use on dirt
Gollum: What is “practise”, precious?
It's the British English spelling of "practice" because, you know, he's not a dumb American.
Lmao I was laughing at that myself
Jamie Carl i figured all the times he used it in this video he was just practicing his spelling. I mean, practice makes perfect and all ;D
Poor audio...
You can’ t stear a motocycle , there is no stearing wheel, it dose have handel bars but your not stearing,,,,
Stearing implies the you move the wheel the same direction has the turn, on a bike you counterstear
witch is completely opposite of stearing. You actually trying to point the front wheel Point in the iopposit direction of the turn.
No it doesnt, you can steer with many things, like a tiller or oars.
Just race pit bikes ots fun
At almost every circuit I raced on in UK by the time you exited the slowest corner and straightened up on the following straight you were exceeding any European speed limit apart from German Autobahns. You cannot ever use racetrack craft on the roads and many road racers back in the day lost their lives doing so. Despite your disclaimers this video is utterly irresponsible and dangerous.
To ride safely on the road especially above Nationals, the techniques are very different. I'm ex Blue Light so Roadcraftvwas our bible, alongside other high speed performance techniques but they would not make for good Trackcraft, they are designed for maximum vision, maximum progress and maximum safety.
@@ssrsuspension8247 My brother was a UK motorway policeman, approved for the fastest pursuits. I wouldnt race a police car on the UK roads regardless of the car I had. You would be racing a team, doing what they are trained to do, and they are just waiting for you to make a mistake. But I used to race motorcycles, I would beat any police motorcyclist easily, unless they did racing themselves. They are just completely different. I gave up riding a bike on the roads wihin weeks of starting racing, they are different skills and you cant do both. I remember Damon Hill (ex F1 World Champion) being given the latest Ferrari road car to test. They were disappointed with his "review". Even the fastest road going Ferrari is a slow agricultural tank compared to an F1 car. Damon, like most top motorsport stars doesnt drive fast on public roads, he doesnt need to impress anyone and knows what risks are.