The Jerry is better. Just because of the one but most important setting. The Collimation setting! You can Collimate the image perfectly to your PVS-14. This means the image is aligned. You can merge the image without eye fatigue.
I still think the RH25/Pfalcon640 is the best, unless the new steiner gen 2 beats it. One could argue these aren't "budget" though, but there aren't anything cheaper id run for a 4 in 1 thermal (weapon, clip on, helmet, handheld).
No argument there, PFN640 does perform better. Crisper image, better red hot(my fav) and probably more durable(have yet to break a YM tho). It does cost just a bit more and it not as user friendly, YM has most functions you want fast access to(zoom, color palette, etc) just a button combination away, with PFN you need to surf the menu for those.
@@falconclaw_ For sure. I hope the gen 2 has a better interface as it isn't fun going into the menu while using it. As for the price, I see it as if you are already spending thousands of dollars on something, a few thousand more to be happy with is worth it for me. Had a few times where I cheaped out on something, only to upgrade to what I originally wanted in the first place.
That Steiner C35 Gen2 doesn’t look like it’s rail mountable. Only for direct attachment to large objective scopes. If so, that’s going to really limit it’s use, and won’t really fall into the same category as other small multi-role thermals
@@rileyfrench3837 There are rail adapters for those style of clip ones, so I'm sure someone will make one for it if there isn't on already that works. www.optics-trade.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/A-special-rail-mounted-adapter-for-the-M35x1.0-thread-1024x576.jpg
since the battery compartment is mounted longitudinally I doubt it'll survive just like how old Eotech's died on scars, looks like military only thermals have lateral mounted battery compartments like FLIR's
No because the battery compartment is mounted on it longitudinally, like old eotechs the battery compartments were then made that way then they changed it to latitudinally on the latest models because MK17's were breaking the older models, the only thermals that I can find that have a battery compartment that is mounted on the optic latitudinally are mil/le FLIR's, in terms of clip-on's, but also I think infiray makes better thermals than FLIR and also another thing to consider is that thermals are basically a digital camera so them being mounted on any caliber they probably will eventually be shaked apart.
Regarding the much brighter heat signatures of the RH25 seen in this comparison, can the Jerry YM be adjusted to look the same by boosting the contrast? If you were to also boost the contrast of the RH25, does it then outperform the Jerry YM again?
That's what I was wondering during the comparison. Looked like all he needed to do was boost up the contrast a bit and it would be just as good as the pfalson/rh25. Sometimes I get the sense reviewers intentionally do this so they don't affect the sales of their "higher end" units that have more profit margins $$$.
Highly likely that you will not see it happen, besides the components would still probably come from outside EU/US, only the price tag would be made in EU/US.
@@falconclaw_ Pulsar makes thermal in Lithuania with French sensors, for a lower price point than these Chinese manufacturers. I see no reason besides their own dumb brand identity why they couldn't make something like the PFN640+.
@joffeloff as soon as pulsar makes one I'll gladly buy it. The US market is flooded with rebranded Chinese thermals and they are intentionally price gouging us and manipulating the industry by withholding software features that are only available on international versions.
The US has the Rix Stride. It is exactly the same but it's not marketed as a clip on. It also seems to use an older software version. Is the Jerry YM version 2 a separate device from version 1 or was it a firmware update? I desperately need this software version! A red value would be amazing. Currently, it just puts the red value in the middle and can't be changed so it's useless. Also I only have 1-5 on contrast and brightness. 1-10 would be game changing!
@bmbullman yep. There's either a disconnect between China and Rix customer service, or they're intentionally slow rolling and misdirecting to wait out the AGM StingIR licensing rights to Irays clip on features in the US market. If they're not transparent about it, then assume the worst. I regret purchasing this product.
Does it have the intrusive user interfaces icons like the original JYM? Nothing worse than seeing "WHITE" take up the bottom corner of the screen. It looks clean on the video but figured it could be from the recording or cropped.
Any comparison in between mh25 or other models concerning the eye box? Is there a Need for aftermarket modifications like another lens as with the mh25 if you want to use it along with a pvs 14?
Thx bud, i know that. The issue with the mh25 was, that a lot of people used an pvs14 eyepiece (additional ~300 bugs) because the eyebox of the mh25 was crappy. I want to know if iray managed to do it better this time, so its comfortable to use a pvs14 and the YM next to each other.
Its over anyways. Jerry is on the OFAC sanctions List because they oviously distributed stuff to the russians, so no jerry stuff for europe and the us for some time…
How does it compare with regard go Sidekick 640 with regard to FOV and clarity? Also, it looks "grey'd out", have you tuned the image settings or are you running it stock?
The image processing on the Jerry-YM seems to be better than the sidekick. The specs look the same but with thermals specs are not the only things that matter. We pick this over the Sidekick any day. What you see through the device and what the video recording looks like are a bit different, it does not look grey and it is a bit better clarity and quality.
@@falconclaw_looking to get either of these for my urbex activites. I move slowly actually slower than walking speed and use it only urbex activities so basically distances that you would describe as cqb or at most longer industrial hallways. What would you recommend of these to navigate with. I would love to have a thermal instead of night vision Btw in germany Mh25v2 Falcon 640+ jerry ym 2.0 Or maybe a pvs 7 What would you recommend?
@@valgo8128What? It's the exact opposite. Thermal and night vision is not the same. Not even close. You want a device for navigation. But you only noted thermal devices. This is not how it works. You need Night Vision for navigation and thermal for detection. I don't know if your comment was serious or not
Can only shoot 75 yards with that. Much better options for shooting at 150 yards for same or less money. Combat Infantryman here, and I know these things.
I love to see thermal getting better and cheaper. More availability for the poors like me! Good stuff brother! 🤙🏼
Awesome,comprehensive review. Thanks
thank you for the detailed video
Was fun making it, you learn alot in the testing process.
The Jerry is better. Just because of the one but most important setting. The Collimation setting!
You can Collimate the image perfectly to your PVS-14. This means the image is aligned. You can merge the image without eye fatigue.
Are you ok in the brain? You can collimate of course the Pfalcon as well
PFN has the same feature aswell.
just need a thermal clip on with a battery compartment that is laterally mounted so recoil doesn't destroy the battery compartment
Need it! 🔥
I still think the RH25/Pfalcon640 is the best, unless the new steiner gen 2 beats it. One could argue these aren't "budget" though, but there aren't anything cheaper id run for a 4 in 1 thermal (weapon, clip on, helmet, handheld).
No argument there, PFN640 does perform better. Crisper image, better red hot(my fav) and probably more durable(have yet to break a YM tho). It does cost just a bit more and it not as user friendly, YM has most functions you want fast access to(zoom, color palette, etc) just a button combination away, with PFN you need to surf the menu for those.
@@falconclaw_ For sure. I hope the gen 2 has a better interface as it isn't fun going into the menu while using it. As for the price, I see it as if you are already spending thousands of dollars on something, a few thousand more to be happy with is worth it for me. Had a few times where I cheaped out on something, only to upgrade to what I originally wanted in the first place.
That Steiner C35 Gen2 doesn’t look like it’s rail mountable. Only for direct attachment to large objective scopes. If so, that’s going to really limit it’s use, and won’t really fall into the same category as other small multi-role thermals
@@rileyfrench3837 There are rail adapters for those style of clip ones, so I'm sure someone will make one for it if there isn't on already that works.
www.optics-trade.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/A-special-rail-mounted-adapter-for-the-M35x1.0-thread-1024x576.jpg
Can you use the Thermal on a gun with .308 Win too? Or ITS only for .223 recoil?
Each thermal device will have its own individual specs for what it's rated for , although 308 specifically is known for destroying electronics.
since the battery compartment is mounted longitudinally I doubt it'll survive just like how old Eotech's died on scars, looks like military only thermals have lateral mounted battery compartments like FLIR's
No because the battery compartment is mounted on it longitudinally, like old eotechs the battery compartments were then made that way then they changed it to latitudinally on the latest models because MK17's were breaking the older models, the only thermals that I can find that have a battery compartment that is mounted on the optic latitudinally are mil/le FLIR's, in terms of clip-on's, but also I think infiray makes better thermals than FLIR and also another thing to consider is that thermals are basically a digital camera so them being mounted on any caliber they probably will eventually be shaked apart.
Regarding the much brighter heat signatures of the RH25 seen in this comparison, can the Jerry YM be adjusted to look the same by boosting the contrast? If you were to also boost the contrast of the RH25, does it then outperform the Jerry YM again?
That's what I was wondering during the comparison. Looked like all he needed to do was boost up the contrast a bit and it would be just as good as the pfalson/rh25. Sometimes I get the sense reviewers intentionally do this so they don't affect the sales of their "higher end" units that have more profit margins $$$.
We tested several different setting on both, the image is still more crisp on the PFN
@@falconclaw_ what's PFN?
@@victoryero4779 PFalcon 640+ is a thermal which we currently like the most, it comes at a slightly higher price point.
NIce review. Question, what mount are u using for picatiny ? Looks great.
It is the original one that comes with the product.
I wish there was a EU / US competitor with similar price / value.
Highly likely that you will not see it happen, besides the components would still probably come from outside EU/US, only the price tag would be made in EU/US.
@@falconclaw_ Pulsar makes thermal in Lithuania with French sensors, for a lower price point than these Chinese manufacturers. I see no reason besides their own dumb brand identity why they couldn't make something like the PFN640+.
@joffeloff as soon as pulsar makes one I'll gladly buy it. The US market is flooded with rebranded Chinese thermals and they are intentionally price gouging us and manipulating the industry by withholding software features that are only available on international versions.
The US has the Rix Stride. It is exactly the same but it's not marketed as a clip on. It also seems to use an older software version. Is the Jerry YM version 2 a separate device from version 1 or was it a firmware update? I desperately need this software version! A red value would be amazing. Currently, it just puts the red value in the middle and can't be changed so it's useless. Also I only have 1-5 on contrast and brightness. 1-10 would be game changing!
Yeah everything looks identical. I emailed RIX to see if they plan on releasing new firmware. Ill let you know when they get back to me
@@jhendiesI asked them a couple days ago and they said no.
@@luciusrene943 they told me yes
@@billyyoung1630 Lots of conflicting information being put out by RIX then.. that alone is unsat.
@bmbullman yep. There's either a disconnect between China and Rix customer service, or they're intentionally slow rolling and misdirecting to wait out the AGM StingIR licensing rights to Irays clip on features in the US market. If they're not transparent about it, then assume the worst. I regret purchasing this product.
Isnt the mh25v2 exactly the same as the pfn 640+ in terms of image quality?
Does it have the intrusive user interfaces icons like the original JYM? Nothing worse than seeing "WHITE" take up the bottom corner of the screen. It looks clean on the video but figured it could be from the recording or cropped.
It does not appear in the recording, it is visible when looking through the device however.
Hi.
I using fal19 on airsoft, they have autofocus. this need to focus like in may atn thor 640 or auto?
You need to manually adjust focus, not aware of any thermal that has autofocus.
Why not get the Infiray Jerry C5 Clip-On?
Different image quality, detection range and use case, Jerry C5 is great for other things. Might see a video soon about this 😉
Any comparison in between mh25 or other models concerning the eye box? Is there a Need for aftermarket modifications like another lens as with the mh25 if you want to use it along with a pvs 14?
The Jerry is the only option if you want to use it together with a PVS-14. Because you can collimate the image.
You can Collimate the image perfectly to your PVS-14. This means the image is aligned. You can merge the image without eye fatigue.
Thx bud, i know that. The issue with the mh25 was, that a lot of people used an pvs14 eyepiece (additional ~300 bugs) because the eyebox of the mh25 was crappy. I want to know if iray managed to do it better this time, so its comfortable to use a pvs14 and the YM next to each other.
@@716speedy6 it's not Carson Glass quality. But I would never replace it. It's good enough imo.
Its over anyways. Jerry is on the OFAC sanctions List because they oviously distributed stuff to the russians, so no jerry stuff for europe and the us for some time…
How does it compare with regard go Sidekick 640 with regard to FOV and clarity? Also, it looks "grey'd out", have you tuned the image settings or are you running it stock?
The image processing on the Jerry-YM seems to be better than the sidekick. The specs look the same but with thermals specs are not the only things that matter. We pick this over the Sidekick any day. What you see through the device and what the video recording looks like are a bit different, it does not look grey and it is a bit better clarity and quality.
@@falconclaw_looking to get either of these for my urbex activites.
I move slowly actually slower than walking speed and use it only urbex activities so basically distances that you would describe as cqb or at most longer industrial hallways.
What would you recommend of these to navigate with.
I would love to have a thermal instead of night vision
Btw in germany
Mh25v2
Falcon 640+
jerry ym 2.0
Or maybe a pvs 7
What would you recommend?
@@valgo8128What? It's the exact opposite. Thermal and night vision is not the same. Not even close.
You want a device for navigation. But you only noted thermal devices. This is not how it works.
You need Night Vision for navigation and thermal for detection.
I don't know if your comment was serious or not
Can only shoot 75 yards with that. Much better options for shooting at 150 yards for same or less money. Combat Infantryman here, and I know these things.
Shooting? What are you talking?
You have it mounted on your helmet.
Non sense comment.