'No red dawn' massive Labour majority 'no surge for socialism' | Andrew Neil
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- “This is no great surge for socialism. This is no Red Dawn.”
Times Radio's Andrew Neil advises Labour to keep in mind that support for the party “is wide, but it’s shallow.”
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its not a labour vote its anti consevative
@@cretene1 100 %
Exactly correct.
Crying Tories are confused
You right
You know we used to have a system like the UK in Northern Ireland, they called it gerrymandering - where 50% of the vote only got 25% of the seats.... caused pretty much a civil war over here you might remember. Wonder why the people of britain are so accepting of it?
The Reform party took as many votes from the Conservatives as Labour. Thanks to the first past the post system Labour got all the benefits.
It's been like this for years. Interesting how now Labour have benefited from it it's become a problem for people
In a truely fair elective system, the unfairness of first past the post would not exist.
But it is in place to prevent fairness, as the elites of the status quo wish it to be that way, which favours playing to their tune.
@@BegudMaximan-zp2tc you think the elites are Labour voters 🤣 Labour that plan to tax the rich. Do you realise how daft you sound?
Thank God
@@G_C340get in the real world
Starmer is Sunak in a different suit both WEF puppets controlled by the same puppet master 😂😂😂😂😂
And the great controller is who exactly ?
go on, just say jews
Spot on ❤❤❤
@@cd9278The family of the red shield
@@cd9278 The Zionist banking cartel.
It is NOT a swing to Labour!!!
As a labour voter I know it's not. The entire vote is one of desperation in our political institutions and those that rise to the top of it. There is a crisis in political confidence. Their accountability is not proportional to their responsibility. They say they govern for the UK as a whole but end up feathering their own nests or actively/through inaction, benefit those powerbrokers that put them their etc etc. Serious checks and balances into MP/PM conduct is needed ASAP.
Tory votes went to Reform not Labour, in fact some Labour members lost votes badly including Kier Starmer .
Today is the tories day of reckoning. They are on their way.
Labour will get theirs. The Muslim vote along with the socialist vote will slowly peal away. I give the government a year before they start to crumble. Realignment is coming.
@@user-fz8ep5ey4v yes but he didn't lose them to the Tories or Reform, he lost them to a single issue Moslem party opposing his stance on Gaza.
Keir, not Kier, like Rishi, not Richi
The labour share of the vote is not great for next time. Their percentages are fragile. That is what mr Neil is saying.
We had voter suppression with ID cards and endless talk of a super majority also the Tory messaging was project fear on steroids take a look at some of the Tory messaging it's dystopian
They will have 5 years of importing new Labour voters. Plus, they intend to drop the voting age to 16. They will be in power until the country is handed over to the EU.
As long as the right is split between Conservative and Reform, we should see Labour winning seats
@@kingflynxi9420they'll will be merged by then and if labour don't come to centre they will lose more to Dems
@@kingflynxi9420They'll merge.
this not a country for old men!
The campaigns had nothing to do with it
What amazes me is that Reform get 14.4% of the vote which was more than the Lib Dems 12.2% = Reform 4 seats, Lib-Dems 71 seats. The Greens 6% = 4 seats. Plaid Cymru 0.7% = 4 seats. Something not right here
Well take liz truss seat for example labour 11.8k, conservative 11.2k and reform 9.8k. So reform is getting lots of votes and taking from conservatives but it gives labour the wins this election. If some of those conservative people jump to reform next election could be a blow out.
It just shows you how well Labour and the LibDems campaigned in those targeted seats that they needed to win in FPTP system.
Shows how broken our political system is
Then it's reforms fault for not campaigning tactically in targeted seats
shows that lib dem’s actually care about getting seats on local councils and working FPTP the way it is meant to be worked… creating a local support network and building upon local strengths. this is the way democracy works in the UK, it has worked this way for a long time - if farage wanted to create a proper party he has had more than enough time
2017 - Corbyn - 12,877,918
2019 - Corbyn - 10,269,051
2024 - Starma - 9,634,399
What was the percentage of the vote share though. Voter turnout was much lower than in 2019.
what's your point Corbyn was unelectable as a PM under FPTP and would still be unelectable under PR
We had a huge amount of 1 voter suppression and 2 tactical voting
I'd add the date was deliberately chosen to try and suppress the Youth vote
@@mikeelliott886 Labour won because at every conservative seat reform took votes from them. Take Liz Truss seat for example 11.8k for labour, 11.2k conservative, reform 9.8k so Reform took 9.8k votes from the conservatives in that seat and lost it they did this at every seat 20-50% of the vote went from conservative to reform making labour win. Next election will be interesting.
2017 68.8%
2019 67.3%
2024 60.0%
Labour campaigned for a landslide number of seats, which they got, not a landslide number of votes.
But still more seats than anyone else. By a long shot.
@3brenm Its funny how the right only care about the flaws of FPTP when they have lost. Regardless, Labour have a stonking great majority under the system that everyones been perfectly happy with prior to this.
@3brenm Labour campaigned for vote efficiency because of FPTP. Campaigning in PR is entirely different and would require a change of strategy. The exact percentages don't tell the complete picture.
funnily enough....seats are all that matter, your point?
I know its a little too early in the day but will Keir be moving back to the promised 2019 manifesto 😮 or do we just assume the colour red is democratic socialism and manifestos are not needed 😂 Starmer is a Red Tory
I feel there is a great amount of anger with the election system and this election only validates, this anger for example 9.6mil people vote labour and 412 seats resulting in 23,482 people per seat. On the otherhand. Reform got 4mil votes and got 4 seats resulting 1,021,974 people per seat. You can see the issue.
seethe, people just don't want the Reform party, they would have voted for them if they did. Seethe for 5 years.
@@jogreeen They did
Foreigners and their kids born here or not shouldn't get to vote.
@@jogreeendo you know how fptp works
@@jogreeenmore people voted for reform than the lib dems but the lib dems got more seats. Can you make that make sense?
They will make a massive mess then they will blame the tories
There is already a massive mess. The Tories have left leaving a national debt at £2.7trillion!
Two thirds of the electorate did not vote Labour.
So? They won the most seats, which is how elections work.
Remind what percentage of the electorate didn't vote for brexit ?
What Brexit ? 😲
Only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit. In this election, 20% voted Labour. Draw your own conclusions.
@@oranjeblue70 Yes ,but that again is taking into account people who didn't vote. Their opinion is irrelevant
60% turnout, 35% of that vote is not a massive vote of confidence.
I agree ,but those who dont vote-dont count, Their opinion is null and void
@@msimms-lp5qw apathy is the death of democracy
@@msimms-lp5qwThere opinions are not null and void. They weren’t inspired by anyone to vote. They didnt like anyone so what are they supposed to do.
Vote for change. Don’t make me laugh.
Let’s sit back and watch labour mess it up like they usually do,
Let’s see all these millions of Lego built housing estates pop up all over the place. Let’s see our taxes rise and all our money being spent obsessed with net zero.
I am genuinely concerned now labour are in!
Ooh! Sectarian voting Jonathan Ashworth, who would have guessed that would happen.
i head Aldi are hiring, he might be in luck
I was watching a debate on the Parliament channel and Ashworth was sitting at the far end if the front bench in an almost empty chamber. He was staring at his phone screen and picking his nose. Very dignified, I'm sure.😂
Islamists are taking over. Who will stop them?
Super majority with less than 20% of the electorates support.
Quality Democracy.
Farage the Fraudster better look over his shoulder and stay away from Russian tea houses.🤣4 lousy seats like the tree hugging Greens. He promised Putin so much and he delivered so little.
Blame the Tories for all the voter suppression tactics
I expect Labour to widen ID acceptability and introduce automatic voter registration as part of expanding the franchise
@@SlowhandGreg let's hope they do.... I doubt it though.
Faridge got 5%, i thought the Reform movement was what the British people wanted.
@@jogreeen Reform voters are just a bunch of noisy people who are high on culture war cool-aid, nothing more, nothing less
"this is no great surge for socialism"
that's right. because starmer isn't a socialist.
(it's not a surge for the labour party, either, so much as a surge for "please, god, not the tories, anything but that!". i just take exception to the assumption that, because labour didn't win so much as the tories lost, this therefore means that _socialism_ is unpopular. A->B and B->C does not assert that A->C; B may have other indicators than A, and C may be influenced by factors beyond B)
@PhoenixLord777 i know, it should be a given that the leader of the _labour_ party be a socialist, but yet…
Of course, they're a social capitalist blend- Like China😀
Because kier isnt a socialist , just like rishi wasnt conservative
Sir Keir was literally the former editor of 'Socialist Alternatives', a Trotskyist radical magazine, produced by an organisation under the same name, which represented the British section of the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency (IRMT)
@@_Too_Late but now an avowed Centrist
@@joso7228 And if you believe that I've got a little red book to sell you
@_Too_Late and Liz truss was a liberal and Boris wanted remain. Right now in this moment , kier is not a socialist. A real socialist (corbyn) couldn't get into power, hence why the progressives in the labour party are not in love with kier.
Keir Starmer is literally the former editor of 'Socialist Alternatives', a Trotskyist radical magazine.
who has grown to a Centrist platform
i was a hippy but i engage in the system now
And since then he sold Corbyn out to an Israeli smear campaign. Starmer won - but Labour lost - this guy is more of a chameleon than Blair, and will end up being equally despised.
So what?
Starmer is being run by Blair the liar
No surge for a fairer society under Labour which had it's heart ripped out by Blair.
It was the choice of changing or never being electable.
So the correct way to get elected is to ditch all the principles you stood for, and adopt and assimilate the policies of your opposition. Otherwise known as opportunism, self serving opportunism!
@@garycant9399 I am making no comment on the rights and wrongs of. It is simply an explanation as to why it happened.
It is NOT a landslide , not by any remote means
The numbers yes, the percentage of votes or vote increase NO ! Sir Starmer hasn’t increased the vote level so stop the rhetoric , barely 60% bothered to vote , that is one thing that should be addressed , mandatory voting is a minimal requirement in this parliament.
why mandatory voting? if someone does not want to vote mind your own business
It is CRIMINAL that in a General Election, the Turnout is around 50-60%
It is ALSO Criminal that a 35% share of that vote, can translate to 70% or so, of ALL parliamentary seats.
THIS is not Democracy, it is a GROSS MANIPULATION, of which both the Tories AND Labour have been guilty of perpetuating, for decades.
Honour amongst Electoral Thieves!
@@cornishcat11
It is our CIVIC DUTY to cast our vote. Many lives were lost fighting for the right of the masses to choose their own representatives. And to refuse to vote, is to refuse to honour those who sacrificed their lives for that right.
You may not know them, you may not care, but THEY made the sacrifice for YOU. So at least repay the respect by engaging in the process which was hard won!
@@hermanmunster3358 my 19 year old daughter voted but her friend said she had no interest in politics. And thats her Democratic right including staying away from seedy politicians and stories about nazis.
@@hermanmunster3358 "It is our CIVIC DUTY to cast our vote". Why? If you want to vote, vote. If you don't want to, well don't. I would say people fought for democracy and the right of people to vote if they want to. Suppose you don't like anyone, recognise you know anything, have no interest or just can't be bothered. Well that should be fine. Why the compulsion?
Labour now has 4/5 years to prove they can do a better job i hope they manage it well or we are back to square one .Good luck
Progressive parties collectively received a narrow majority of the votes like they usually do. While it was slightly higher than usual, the big difference is that those votes translated to seats much more efficiently, so we will now have a government that is perhaps a little more representative of what the electorate voted for... insofar that is possible under FPTP.
‘Are our offshore piles of loot safe? We’re not going to get t-t-t-taxed, are we? Please say our loot is safe 😬’
It's not loot 😂
@@andyp8464oh yes it is
@@andyp8464 It is loot, and it's absolutely safe.
Are you talking about the majority of Liebour and Con-servative MPs?
You clearly are unaware that income from foreign assets (such as cash held offshore) is already subject to tax and has been for a long time. Given the number of information sharing arrangements HMRC has with foreign tax authorities there is little chance of hiding that income
They barely increased their vote from 2019, it's just that the Tories voted Lib Dem or Reform.
Correct! The right wing vote was split... Reformers crying but they know the rules before any vote is cast! Cudda wudda shudda syndrome 😂
Didn’t they get less than 2019?
@@Robcupra360 I thought they got 1.5 to 2% more. I could be wrong.
@@Gary0557 not sure looked earlier they got 9.7 million votes but 10.2 million in 2019. Percentage may be more in their favour but less physical votes.
@@Robcupra360 So Corbyn got more votes than Starmer.😂
When even Andrew neil can see through Starmer.
It’s a protest vote
I’m not watching but am wondering if the coping and seething song needs to be played over this. What ever this is it is a massive loss for the Conservatives. I hope some other party replaces them that can actually hold this new government to account when needed. Reform or Liberal Democrat I’m not fussy just so long as it’s not this failed pathetic excuse for a party known as the Conservatives.
Andrew, you were there at the Birth of GB News. Not to overstate your impact but you kind of got the ball rolling on all this.
Farage the Fraudster better look over his shoulder and stay away from Russian tea houses.🤣4 lousy seats like the tree hugging Greens. He promised Putin so much and he delivered so little.
Neil is deluded
He also left sharpish when he saw the direction of the channel
100 % prtest vote... only thing to worry about is Muslim vote effects
The UK historically has always hated extremes in politics. In general we are centre left and centre right. Whenever a party goes too far right or too left, the country reacts. This result is exactly that.
Really? In what way were the Tories too far to the right? What do you understand by “right-wing”? The whole surge in support for Reform at the Tories’ expense was because they were too centrist. If the Tories are to be a centrist party, what’s the point in them? Why not just vote Lib Dem? Actually, I think the Tories should dissolve and merge with Lib Dems and Reform.
@@Lightworkers. - just another point. There’s a perception that Starmer’s Labour is some sort of moderate centre-left party. I don’t think it is, and I think many people are going to get a shock when they realise what they’ve actually voted for.
@3brenm - maybe so, but I think this is definitely true of Starmer’s Labour. If you haven’t already seen it, I’d recommend the last two episodes of David Starkey Talks. Yes, I too am in favour of re-nationalising the railways (among other things), and I note the small ‘c’ in your conservatism. The SDP are my party of choice, but they don’t stand where I live so I can’t vote for them.
For people who think Labour is socialist.
Labour changed from being a socialist party to just a party for workers after Tony Blair changed their objective. Keir Starmer had removed the last old-school socialists in the Labour Party & will try to block any new ones from joining.
they are neo liberal/globalist
Kier Starmer a self-described socialist is now Prime Minister OR should I believe you?
And that's a good thing. The vast majority of people are usually centrists. Left old style socialist policies are not popular, neither far right populist ones. Stay in the centre and that is what people mostly want
What about Rayner? she's the one in charge.
And the unions.
It will end in tears........ it's a return to the past !
"this is no red dawn", says man with reddist gammon red face you can imagine.
I don't think anyone expected a sea change towards socialism, nor do I think the Labour party necessarily represents that. The Muslim vote is going to be more and more of a problem as time goes on.
The Muslims like to live in a fair and just society, many Muslims follow the teachings of the Quran - read It and learn what it says. Of course it goes without saying that are some bad apples in the cart!
Many seats for Labour but not so extreme in percentage:
Labour 33.7%
Green 6.8 %
Conservative 23.7%
Reform UK 14.3%
Liberal Democrat 12.2%
The great irony is that all the policies people are angry about (high prices, immigration & crime) are all Labour policies that the Conservatives have adopted.
We need proportional representation in this country, when Reform pulled in 14% and got 4 seats whilst Tories got 24% of the votes and get 121 seats, this is everything that is wrong with this countries electoral system, totally bias towards two parties and totally un-fair. It needs to change ! In theory Reform should have 91 seats and the Tories 156 seats !
Did you shout about PR when the Greens complained years ago?
New Labour has no diffrence then Conservative party.
Why New Labour? They should have called New Conservative instead new Labour
They're left wing so it's correct to call them labour
@@andyp8464 There's nothing left-wing about Starmer's Labour. They ran on a centrist platform. Lots of slogans but if you carefully look at their manifesto it could have been Macron's.
Tories = Corruption
Labour = Fairness
@@cehaem2 The platform they run on doesn't matter, what they do in power does. The Tories have promised to decrease immigration for years and have only increased it to the largest numbers in our history, they say they will cut tax but here we are with the highest taxes since WW2.
Starmer will talk tough but when the time comes he will move left on issues of Immigration.
@@John-kc4cg at the moment all I can see is them still bootlicking all the millionaires. Just like Farage does.
Masterminded lol, it’s like winning 5-0 against a team of one legged team.
Better than Southgate then
Starmer replacing Sunak is like being in hospital in the 1980’s & hearing that Jimmy Saville has cancelled his visit but you hear the sound of a didgeridoo from down the hall.
So I wonder where this leaves the argument about proportional representation.
2nd Term
Vote share matters - 80% of the voting adults in the UK did not vote for Labour. When Labour take 60% of the seats with such low votes, that's a problem for democracy.
Sadly, under fpp, vote share is entirely irrelevant. Try another voting method if you want to have popular vote be relevant. It's time for change on many fronts.
@@markmasterson4811 Vote share is never irrelevant in any society that considers itself to be democratic.
Blair won’t start pulling Starmers strings …..Blair’s the only reason Starmers labour leader , as Blair told him to wind in his lefty attitudes and reel in far , far left MPs .
nevermind red dawn he needs to sort out his red face
Think he lives in France.... Yes the man who was all in for Brexit....
Weak personal attack on him showing you being weak as f..
@@killerkally7080 When you can't understand leaving the EU is nothing against Europeans....
@@0penminds Refuse to live in your own country after destroying it
a true gammon.
Behind closed doors Labour will not be thinking that was a great victory
Tory Light, nothing left of Labour.
Starmer needs to be careful as he's only marginally increased the popular vote share - mainly at the expense of the SNP.
we had a slew of voter suppression tactics including voter ID favouring the Elderly, the removal of automatic registrations, wall to wall don't give labour a super majority and a Tory campaign that was a complete work of fiction describing a dystopian wasteland if you voted Labour.
YAP YAP YAP. Labour won and will be in power for at least the next 15 years.
@@Jail_The_Far_Right Labour will be out by 2029. Labour will continue where the Tories left off, meandering through issues. They barely increased their electorate. There will be some infighting within the Tories but in the end they will realign themself with the hard-right mimicking trumpism and come back resurgent. As soon as they've gained some momentum the last One Nation Tories will either be silenced or simply fall in line. Now that Reform Inc. has a bridgehead in Westminster they will work the red wall in the North. The economic future of the entire continent looks bleak so unless a miracle happens that will throw a spanner in the works and Labour will fail to deliver. And the likes of Patel and Bravermann are already lurking in the shadows to come out as saviours.
Voting rights for 16 years old is radical.
Certainly not at 16 they have no common sense 😂😂😂
16 year olds still live at home with their parents. Next GE both of my daughters will be over 16. We will just order postal votes and I'll vote for the whole household.
I'm not a political insider, who may know this, but how do we know it's wide but not deep? Won't we need time to really tell??
In the meantime, they are elected, with a vast majority which means they can govern without too many external challenges. Let's see them get on with it and reassess them in 4-5years.
Neill is kind of correct, but with our ridiculous and unfair voting system there is a huge amount of tactical voting, so it's very difficult to tell the real opinion of the electorate. It's entirely plausible that Labour would have got a larger share of the vote in a PR system.
Looking at Politics over my 72 years its very obvious the best economic times were after Thatcher sorted out the Unions and the Country's' finances in the 80s. We had a golden period economically with many years of good growth until Gordon Brown got hold of the chequebook and started the downward spiral. This has been continued by the Tories over the last 14 years and is why we are in the mess today. Until spending is brought under control ie slashed and taxes reduced the UK is on a one way decline. Nobody with any money is going to invest and create jobs here. One thing is certain Labour won't improve anything
Are they going to abolish private property?
A triumph for first past the post - the only real winner year after year after year.
A mistake being made is to suppose that Labour lucked into this. They didn’t. They planned it. Votes are far less important than seats. They knew they could lose votes in lots of ‘safe’ seats and still win the seat. So, they focused on seats they could flip. This strategy meant going to the centre and it worked really well.
Given how focused and pragmatic they were this election, I expect them to continue in that vein.
Not sure why there is so much talk of socialism. Labour weren’t offering socialism. If they do better than the Tories have been doing, they will win the next election
Reform...a foot in the door.....The start of the end for Red and Blue
4 days of drugs and sex sounds like a total nightmare and a person would need to be very very unsatisfied with life to need to live like that
we’ve elected a government that nobody wants
A bad night for Tories. Obviously Reform peeled a lot of votes away from Tories but a lot of Tory voters simply didn't vote hence the lower turnout.
A worse night for the SNP.
The key for Kier is that he has a big enough majority that a few mavericks in his own party will not divert his policy program
Labour need to understand this isnt a vote for them its a vote against the tories. As for their campaign. They didnt have one the Tories did it for them
Labour played the game
What these commentators are trying to say is like a football analogy , you won the game but we scored more goals in the second half.
The undeniable truth is labour won a substantial majority. The vote share is immaterial it has no affect on any future elections The next election will be judged on merits of the governments performance.
"An independent won" You mean literally Jeremy Corbyn why so shy times?
Starting with just 35% support, for Labour, the only way is down. I think they will become very unpopular very quickly.
It’s my understanding that Scottish MPs don’t vote on English issues, so how does this help the Westminster labour government
20% of the overall electorate, 1/2 were voting against the conservatives, the remaining support have some very opposing views and Labour have the numbers to do anything they want. This government will become very unpopular.
To be fair, Starmer didn't overpromise and if he had he would have probably got more votes. Labour calculated this very well.
Am 56 - Country has never been more divided - though 25 years of Liberalism does that to a country. Islamo-Socialism IS here.....and we Patriots and Indiginous folk had better start to realise what this means. For starters, it seems to mean a Foreign Secretary and Justice Minister who actually hate Britain ! A great start.
No red dawn from the reddest gammon of them all.
Starmer has to hit the ground running because with such a whopping majority expectations will be incredibly high and of course the media will be gunning for him. He has a very short honeymoon period. Maybe 6 months so let's see!
Yep - it was on a low voter turnout and on a very low percentage of the overall vote that Labour took power. That is not a ringing endorsement of them. It seems that people voted tactically(mainly Labour and Lib Dem) to get the Tories out.
The public just wanted to go back to sensible politics where the politicians put forward policies to help and improve the lives of ordinary people above those of just the privileged and the already rich?
What is labour going to actually do to improve your life? They have promised to do alsorts without actually telling us how they can achieve it. They want to do many things that cost alot of money whilst not spending any money. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Lol! You believe the right wing propaganda? It’s Impossible to be worse than the Tories? and whatever their policies will be it will improve the lives of millions and not just of the wealthiest.
@@adam7802 every time they said any policies either -
a. the Tories stole their idea but underfunded it
b. the controlled Media ripped it apart on invalid claims
Labour are doing well
Starmer's Labour Party is not socialist by any stretch. It is only slightly left of centre.
This is why voting should be compulsory! It will MAKE people THINK about the country and their vote! Thats so wrong 40% can't be bothered!!!! Would like to see the actual headcount per party as compared to 'seat' system It's ridiculous that scotland with a population of less than 6 million compared to England and yet is STILL able to get over 50 scottish seats to get into parliament as opposed to Nigels FOUR SEATS!!!! ITS SO WRONG!!!
Is Andrew advising the UK from his house in the south of France
Update- Reform have 5 seats. After Labour insisted on 3 recounts! Lol
They didn't get 35%, they got 33.7%
Jonathan Ashworth had his nose rubbed in diversity.
The red dawn is his face
Lol😂
😂absolutely CORRECT
We wasn't asked
#BiggestInvasionSince1066
Tories should listen more to Andrew Neil, Telegraph, Spectator. Mail etc etc
It will been an easy second term win for Labour.
Friends of mine did not vote
They believe politicians are corrupt and democracy is dead.
Why bother with a preview on an 8 min clip
If you vote liebour & your prepared to pay the increased tax bill for those voting for sensible parties, I have no problem with a liebour government
Wrong, it's coming, a matter of time as the UK bobs alone in Atlantic singing rule Brittania after a Brexit vote won by Tory mistruths, we just want Brexit, we got sovereignty, a country headed to irrelevance and long term economic isolation irrespective of who is in power
I’ve been looking at some of the south coast labour gains from the conservatives (many of those places at the centre of the illegal boat problem) and Reform have helped labour gain those areas . Even the most hardened Reformer must be able to see the folly of that today ?
Tell that to David Snarky (Starkey) who is currently having a full blown schizophrenic mental breakdown.
The UK well be closed at 6.00 pm on a Friday ...lol
great we can go to the pub after a hard week's work
No it’s 5 years Hard Labour…
There is no socialism on offer !!!
I blame Dolph Lungren
More like a ‘Landfill’
If reform and the Conservative had voted together they would have just managed to win the election, the Muslim vote how do factor in there loyalty you can't.
Reform delivered for labour,
First Past The Post System was always good enough when the Torys won, Mr. Neil, regardless of how they managed it so why does vote share suddenly become an issue? Hmmm 🤔
I knew Reform was part of why Labour won as it acted as a spoiler that benefited them + so much anger at the Tories after 14 years of getting nothing done that it was a vote against the Tories rather than necessarily in favour of Labour. It's tactical voting which I myself do if there's no decent choices
Puppets out puppets in we cannot win.
Sulky Lord Haw Haw. I await farage to be scrutinised on serious News channels about policy rather than being indulged as a celebrity. Also get Anderson to discuss educative, fiscal, infrastructural & medical issues. That would be a good laugh... like watching a chimp try to play the banjo
Pay your fair share of tax.
The Conservatives wore thin........ trouble is too many believe the Labour Party is like Santa and there will always be something under the tree worthwhile 😅