How To Find & Manage a GAME DEV TEAM Online
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- This is how you find, manage and maintain a game development team on the internet. Hope you enjoy. :)
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Have you ever made a game with strangers on the internet or do you want to?
Let me know. I'm quite curious. :P
Jonas Tyroller I used to work on this project with few strangers. I got the art part. It was canceled though.
@@brownricestudio1447 Cool. And yeah, I guess that happens... :D
Nah, Im forever alone. Maybe because I am just 15 years old... But I already made 3 games with Unreal Engine 4 :D
@@Ventriix That's not bad. Keep going man. :)
I got a team, i met them 2 days ago and we have 3 game ideas, also i got the art part
This also requires a tremendous amount of luck, whenever I worked with others they always left after a while or were always extremely late with everything(after rescheduling the milestones over and over again). This happened when I was 13 and tried to make a game with a friend of mine, throughout when I was 25 working with professionals - it's not much better when they get paid either. Better, but not by much. People tend to be completely unreliable, I really envy anyone who can find others whose interest doesn't stop after the initial few weeks.
Well yes. It does require luck. I think you can definitely increase your chances by only working with people who have finished stuff before. Also if their initial hype levels for the project are unreasonably high at the beginning that is a good sign that they'll drop by a lot soon. I don't think milestones are a good source of motivation as it puts pressure on the team and when it's just a hobby project pressure is not what most people want. Obviously milestones are quite important for time management so I'm not quite sure what to do about it. You're probably right, it's tricky.
I can totally understand you, i have been trying to make a game for a long time. I generally don't have that much faith in people, but I wish to be wrong, only to be right every time. I am working on my project alone, but it would be greatly beneficial just to have feedback :(. I started similar to you when i was 13, just to have people quit left and right. Now I'm 23 and i still haven't been able to find a reliable person. Some people leave in the first few messages, some just pretend to have something to work just to disappear and some just fade into oblivion without any real reason indication...
Hi, I'm running into this somewhat. After about 7 weeks my team, especially my lead programmer, are dwindling. Doing less and less. I try to keep them motivated, and I have some success. My artist and programmer are both willing to do stuff when I'm there helping them. (Note i'm not the "teacher" or anything. I barely know code and am a lackluster artist.)
When I'm there with them, we can get 4-5 hours of work done in about 2, progress is great and everything moves fluidly.
But then I just sat there helping them with their job for 2 hours, each. I'm something of the project manager and "everything else" person. My jobs include: Music, pixel art, asset integration, debugging, secondary coding (in a pinch), lead design, level design, dialogue writing, etc. If it needs to be done, and it's not coding or high art, I'm the one doing it.
I'm Pouring about 8 hours in just my own work a day. And then another 4 on some days to keep the other team members going.
I love my team members, I really do, and the amount of work they do is great, but I wish I didn't have to babysit for them to do anything. Like they're excited and happy to work when I'm with them, but it's like the game doesn't exist unless I'm in the room. And I can feel myself starting to burn out a little. I don't know what to do.
I doubt I'll even get a response, so I guess thank you for letting me have an anonymous space to vent. Love the video.
Did you had a deadline? Micro goals to finish the deadline. First please learn about leadership. This will definitely help you. :)
Can u help me out?
I'm actually inside Butterscotch Shenanigans' gamejam: *Shenanijam* right now with a team of strangers.
I'm a little bit fatigued from development right now so i'm here.
What a refreshing vid to watch!
Great stuff Jonas! Keep 'em coming!
Thank you. If you feel fatigued better take a break now and then. That usually makes you more productive. There are still 2 days and 2 hours remaining. :P
I really really really want to get into game development and my older brother who’s also addicted to just regular gaming said “try to find a team.” And now i’m here,
Had any luck?
Hey man still interested ?
Wow. Amazing information. I love all of it, thank you for sharing.
you are so underrated.. another perfect video
Yes
Great video! I'm just starting this process myself. I designed a fully working and fun game and have been (novicely) programming it and using placeholder art. I'm making my way through it, but would WAY rather focus just on the designing/balancing to create more and better content, and find others to do the code and art. Definitely going to post the looking for team notice on your discord. Look out for it soon. :)
Nice. I hope you find somebody. It sounds a little bit like you're looking for someone to implement your ideas. My advice would be to grant your coder a saying in where the game goes as well and make sure you bring something to the table except for ideas. I'm sure you will. Just my initial thoughts when I read your pitch here. :)
@@JonasTyroller Ya that's definitely the idea. I would want it to be a collaborative effort. Looking to be part of a team where everyone has equal input and sets of responsibilities.
How are things going for your game design and all right now? 😀
Greta video. Thank you guys ;)
what a great video, thankyou!
great job as usual Jonas on your videos. For me just beatly starting on my game dev journey is I plan on going solo first to see how I can handel my obsticle and see how it goes. I already got enviroments and puzzle theme ideas for my game. If i do well alone I will probably stay alone or probably ask a fellow influencer to join my team if they want n be a two person team in the future. :) other than what i said extremley well done job on motivation support.
That sounds like a good plan as well. Working in a team comes with advantages and disadvantages. It's mostly a matter of preference. :)
@@JonasTyroller thanks so much for the positive feedback Jonas. I truly appreciate it.
thanks, Jonas ! valuable
This is actually an excellent video, Not only fot game devs, But for any kindnof developers, Who are looking for an online team to work on a project, Example : I always wanted to work with a team on something, Because I dont have ALL the skills to creste a whole project by myself, Amd Its also more fun with other people as a team.
Yea I am still trying to hire a team
That green screen for the game graphics was actually kinda cool
This was very motivational, thanks a lot!
I'm thinking about not caring about financies, and jut make a free game with people over the internet.
Sure. Do that. If you find a good team you can still make a commercial game with them after that. :)
@@JonasTyroller That's what I was thinking about as well :)
Btw do you know any techniques for revenue sharing, if the teammates' contribution varies from month to month?
If a teammate contributes less than the others, then the other teammates will be demotivated. :\
@@Tudvari I think it is hard to measure who contributed how much. Measuring that in work hours for example just results in people working slower than they should and it's hard to check how much people are actually working. I'm not sure if that's the best solution but I personally would try to decide on a fair revenue share at the beginning of the project and then stick to it even if it turns out that it's not 100% fair. Being able to lose or earn additional revenue shares during the project sounds like a recipe for conflict and arguments. A tricky question.
@@JonasTyroller Thanks for the answer!
Interesting topic and well made video 👍, but I personally will stay solo 🙂. You have full control, focus, no communication issues, your game doesn't need to be as successful, because you need to only pay yourself, your can learn much more, its more rewarding and I also love the challenge. I would only team up with close friends, I know I can trust 100%. Of course the whole topic Looks different If you make Games just for fun.
Yeah, good point. Working with an online team is probably quite different for commercial games.
Honestly agree. But I always have moments where I think... "I could do all of this myself but my time on earth is limited"
congrats Jonas this video is very well done
Thank you. :)
Why it took so long to youtube suggest me your channel? Awesome content! Tnx ❤
The game looks really nice, gonna check it out! One thing that I always ask myself when seeing something like this is "How do they survive, how do they make money?" since this is a very involved job taking a lot of time out of your day. So yeah, apart from the desire to make good art, what's the end goal here? You can't eat praise so how do they manage something like this and why do they not decide to make their lives a bit easier by selling it or accepting donations?
Offering a game for free can have the advantage that more people might play your game, you don't have to deal with the struggle of setting up a n actual company which I assume doesn't exactly get easier when everybody lives in a different country, and your crew (for example all of the voice actors) won't feel cheated when they did the work for free. Making a commercial game comes with a lot of complications so I can understand the decision. I still wish they would get some money for all of the effort they put in. :P
@@JonasTyroller What you say makes sense and I can relate to that but still... How do they do this without any income? Surely, they have expenses like rent and food so do they all just work two jobs? That sounds super exhausting.
@@YaenGamedev Yes, for most team members this was a side project.
@@JonasTyroller Wow, that's really impressive. For a side project this looks like crazy high effort and quality. Big props to them!
Pure gold like always :) This "checklist" is no where to be found on the net.. huge thanks.
Could you share some specific places to start looking? You mentioned forms and such.. but which ones?
I worked solo up until now but a over the net team sounds interesting, would definitely give it a try
Check out the game dev discord groups of the bigger game dev UA-camrs. Brackeys for example. Of course depending on which game you want to make you might want to look in different places. Tolga wanted to make an Adventure so he posted in the AGS forum. Reddit is another place to look potentially, messaging people on Twitter, Facebook groups perhaps, general game dev forums, the forum of your game engine... Hope that helps. :)
@@JonasTyroller thanks :)
Thanks for sharing!!!
Suresies. Thanks for watching.
Ok. So I'm thinking about trying to do this. the thing is I have not completed any projects (mostly because I feel like I need other people who have skills I don't in order to complete a game). Do you think it's realistic to get people on board if you don't have any completed games to show. If you make a rough demo for your game or have a very clear and organized pitch would be still likely not be interested because of no completed projects?
Amazing, the game looks very appealing will definetly give it a try. What do you think about those guys that want to be the "idea guys" like they don´t program, don´t model or animate...they want to make a project but all they want to do is do the story, design some characters and gameplay mechanics but have zero experience and literally want someone else to do the game for them either friends or strangers.
I'd say stay away from them! If ideas is literally the only thing somebody can bring to the table there is no way I'd let that person into my team. :D
Of course you need to be a bit careful as well not to rule out people too quickly as some skill sets are hard to show off. Identifying a good artist is easy. Identifying a good game designer or a good level designer or a good writer might not be and those roles can definitely be valuable for a team.
hey jonas great video. Could you make a video explaing where to start on making your custom models for your games. Using Unity or Blender?
Yeah, I guess that's a good idea for a tutorial video. Thanks. :)
Those animations are so freaky. How do you go from real life to smooth pixel art animations
Very interesting topic. I've been thinking about this recently. (Any concept artists in the house? :P)
Ty bro
I really wanna do that with my game the name being my username, but finding those type of people is extremely difficult especially with the vision of how I see my game going
The biggest question that I have after watching the video is not where to find people to work with but how did they do the animation for their game? Do they shoot on green screen just to get realistic animation, did they used the entire video as far as people had the same appearance as they were in game and how they turned real character to pixel art, did they redraw frame by frame or there is a usefull software for that.) I'm asking cuz I'm starting a 2d microeconomic game like Kingdom game and I am curious do I need to use 2d images and spine em, make 3d models like in Bloodstained or anything else.) Btw thanks for the video as always! :-)
Tolga recorded every animations in front of a green screen, cut them out, color graded them and pixeled over them frame by frame. It's a lot of work but the final animations turned out great as a result of that. :)
@@JonasTyroller so frame by frame process after all. :-) I wonder If it is possible to rig spined characters that way.
@@Drakmour666 It will make for a different look but it obviously works as well.
@@JonasTyroller ok thanks. :-)
Last year i worked in a team at varsity and it was difficult as well (Was a group of programmers that loved playing games, but we didn't have much game making experience), most group members had these awesome ideas but that was mostly it, some members don't show their ideas, or at least a way for the rest of the group to visualise the ideas, and this is bad because then there is this explosion of ideas but nothing got done. So i totally agree with "showing previous work" and communication is so important, well done to you all for making this game across the world though 😯⏳
Oh yeah. Spitting ideas is easy. Sometimes that can cause you to get stuck in an endless loop of discussions and feature creep before you even get started. A dangerous trap. :D
I wanna make a medieval game with only a team of developers but I’m not sure how all of it works, I am learning blender but I don’t know how to get a team etc
is unity good for this or is there something better for remote teams?
Hey, just wanted to say hi.
Hi there. :P
Hi from two years later
@@wyattkraus860 hi from one month later
Sup
Hi from 4 years later
Tebrikler Tolga! ;D
Evet tebrikler!
I know i still have a project to finnish but I already have a really cool game idea that i wanna do with some friends
Nice. What will your friends do for the project? Art?
@@JonasTyroller the idea is an online fps shooter and I would make the game one friend could host the game server and one guy could maybe design a website to host the game on
@@Jalecko Haha, okay. Ooof. :D
@@JonasTyroller and if that doesnt work out it will be simply a LAN based shooter
@@Jalecko Still oof, but I definitely hope you'll get it working. That would be really exciting to see. :)
Would you please send me in the right direction for their game development green screen animation process? My google skills are failing me...
It's called rotoscoping. Tolga cut out the animations frame by frame, applying a color palate and then pixling over that. :)
Man islanders is doing incredibly well on the steam store. revenue video question mark
I assume that video will come sooner or later. ;)
@@blobfishdev Oki. Not sure how important they really are. I think only a very small percentage actually converts to a sale at launch but wishlists probably also help you to appear in the popular upcoming section so... I guess get as many as you can? :D
Omg thx
You're welcome. :D
Hey i search a dev team for some games. I have no idea about coding so i only wana invest in the game and give you the idea and money:)
Lmao
Hi Jonas, ich hatte vor, einige Spiele mit Freunden aus dem echten Leben zu machen. Leider haben sie mich enttäuscht (alle haben nach kurzer Zeit aufgehört). Da gefällt mir die Idee mit dem Online-Team! Danke!
Ja, das kann leider immer passieren, auch online. Viel Glück beim nächsten Anlauf. :)
@@JonasTyroller Danke 👍
What if you have zero skills but you are a visionary who will pay for the members to work on your game idea?
Is your friend a Turkish? Because it sounds like a Turkish name.
I'm a game designer that sells GDD of games to solo devs and teams and I always feel a little sad when I come up with a game with clever design and I know I won't be the one that will develop it.
I would love to find online some programmers and artists and maybe other game designers to make projects together.
Some people in the past offered to work with them, but I said no because they were not even barely professional.
This video was really personal to me
I assume it's hard to find a good team as a game designer as most people have enough ideas for their game themselves. When somebody is good at art you can see that right away whereas being good at game design is quite hard to show. In your experience, are there a lot of people looking for GDDs and game ideas? Is that stuff easy to sell? Not that I'd like to do that. I'm just curios. :D
@@JonasTyroller Game designers are not just "idea guys". At least good ones aren't. People may however still feel like they don't need a dedicated game designer because they think their ideas is all they need. Who cares about crafting clever game systems, progression systems, economies and balancing all that, right? Well if you don't have a game designer or game design skills, that stuff may turn out really bad, resulting in an awfully frustrating, broken or exploitable game system and experience. So yeah, of course game designers are needed.
@@JonasTyroller However, I must stress that it's very helpful if a game designer can also implement their game systems etc instead of just working outside the engine and still needing a programmer to do everything.
@@YaenGamedev Game designers are obviously not just "idea guys". That's not at all what I meant to say. I meant to say that as a game designer it is easy to come across as an idea guy. Even a cleverly and carefully designed system can often come across as just yet another idea. Totally agree that game designers are much needed.
@@JonasTyroller Yeah that's unfortunate but I guess you're right. One more reason why it's a good idea for game designers to learn basic coding so they can implement their ideas and designs, even if it's just to test them.
Hey nice video
I have maybe a dumb question 😂
Are you German?
Yes. Did my accent give me away again? :P
@@blfunex Danke. Dein Deutsch ist auch sehr gut. :)
@@JonasTyroller nein 😂 ich war mir nur unsicher
@@JonasTyroller Aus welcher Region von Deutschland kommst du?
I just wanna do concept art
Tip: Use any media you use to promote your work, for example i wanted to check if you have past experience on art, but your channel leads me nowhere, you have a cool name but there are lots of people with good names.
Hope it helps you in the future.
I don't think I know enough yet to even bother with a team. I have not even looked at any c++, just visual scripting in UE4
I think alot of games would be finished and out of alpha demo phase if ppl would team up more… problem is there’s no copyrights ppl can steal ur ideas and work very easy and never get back at you…
could you use discord i want to make a game like dead by daylight but i need a team nd i dont wanna share my phone number and pay like 100 dollars vut id think ill have to deal with that
I'm currently working on a game that I started in a GameJam With Strangers ;) Its going well
Awesome. I wish you good luck! :)
I need a game to be develope
Hello everyone! Do you need a music composer for your game? Call me.
You make music?
@@Starlit43 yeah!
I’m sure this would be a great video
...if you didn't have to go to bed already? :P
Jonas Tyroller I still got around 1 hour :)
Jonas Tyroller Just finished the video. The video was good as expected. Keep up the good work!
@@brownricestudio1447 I see. I'm on time then. :D
The first requirement to be part of a team is to be competent yourself. Just don't be an a-hole.
question number one: where to start looking for people?
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Great video as always. I will just leave this here in case someone is interested :
I am looking for a graphics designer for my game project. The game idea is a mix of Smash Bros - esque fighter and movement based platformer. I am not the most experienced programmer yet, but i am learning more and more everyday (been programming for around 7 years now). At the moment i don't have enough money to pay, so if someone would be interested in this kind of game and codesign it i would be very grateful.
For any questions please just ask :)
Hey, I have been wanting to do something very similar sounding. I love art and design, I've been doing photoshop and illustration work professionally for 8 years now. I've been getting interested in game art design and I love fighting games. I've been thinking of looking for a programmer to possibly work with. I have no idea how to program but I know some of the basics that go into development. Do you have a Twitter account or discord account?
I'm also really only good at 2d art, I've started learning the basics of 3d but that is going to take me a long time before I can implement that into actual use
@@Recabilly that sounds great, i was thinking 2d too because just like you i am learning the basics of 3d programming but it will take me a long time before i can actually make a game in 3d.
i have a really old twitter account somewhere but i don't use it at all so that is probably not a good way. discord could work, i will look up my username in a second.
Have you animated your art before or would that be totally new to you?
@@Recabilly my Discord username is Ninjario#7676, also which country are you from (timezone/ language)? i am from germany and as i write this comment it is 10 pm.
also please answer here first because i am not always online on discord, just so i know ;)
@@NinjarioPicmin I am in the United States. English is the only language I know.. My time zone is Pacific it is 1pm for me. That might be an issue unfortunately since it seems by the time I get home from work, you would be asleep. We would only be able to communicate verbally on weekends. Throughout the week we would have to rely on messages we leave for each other.
@@Recabilly okay, english is perfectly fine for me. currently i am working every day from around 7 am to 4 pm and before that i only prepare and drive to work after my sleep (to which i usually go at 11 pm). so on my work days i would be home from around 5-11 pm which would be 8 am - 2 pm for you, which i guess you are at work.
for now i would say we should definitely not throw this opportunity away, but the time zones would hurt our productivity a lot (since we could only really on our free days plan something together and then there is something like reallife too :c)
Who wants to join my game dev team I have an awesome idea for a game
do you have discord?
@@seeemere yes its ZEST #7932
@@zeststreams hope u don’t mind but I added u. I know a little bit about graphic design but I’m far from the best
@@Toxicx-nf1to what is it called?
yo I'm looking for some team if anyone wants to join me :D
Wll how good are you
Ehhh I only know how to do the pixel art im a beginner tho
@@RadicalSharkRS hey I would love to work with you I'm in the same skill set but in coding and will love to make games with you
@@ibroz2136 Ah, I see I'm trying to decide if I want to make a rpg or an 2-D platform type-isa game though
@@RadicalSharkRS I can do 2D platformers and I can do a very limited rpg
anyone wanna make a game :)
i want to!
First
Congrats. :P
@@JonasTyroller Thanks I guess 😄😄😄
I got a highly ambitious project, so if anyone is interested in this mystery project hmu
Hey I am interested
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But potato
Jonas Tyroller yes
@@michaelsantamaria8306 cool