Well we could start by NOT defunding them,The best way we can reform them is to give them proper training.And training cost money,seriously if you think we can just Abolish the Police and put 700k people out of work then your not thinking to clearly.And even better psych evals.And thing is if you do yearly inspection by FEDS then I believe they would be worried about them.Or in the case of the officer that killed Floyd,After 3 complaints do an investigation or Suspend them for a week. So that they are further discouraged to commit Crimes.And just saying another thing about defunding them is they will only have GUNS and it would be the only way for them to defend themselves (other then martial arts).Because Tazers,40mm,Batons,Pepper spray,And bean bag rounds cost money.
@@VincentViewer Yeah I cant wait till they send the National Guard in to reclaim "CHAZ" Theres gonna be so many vids of ANTIFA getting the shit beat out of them lol itll be great.
they have been claiming to reform this shit for over half a century. if you want local change stop voting for the same local parties over and over again because they keep failing to do anything about it.
He’s just straight up police propaganda though, and not even entertaining. Might as well have Dave Grossman on to find out if he things the police have too much power
The whole ideology that we need a police force is built on the foundation that our society is flawed-which it is. The problem isnt just with police, its also with the people the police have to “serve and protect”. If we want to make significant change to the system that governs the people and is meant to maintain order, we need to also work diligently to make sure that we arent creating problems on our end as well. Nothing is a one way street
@@abracing199 Nice. One very clearly not constitutional law gone. Doubt they get rid of section 230 (clause 2) which literally directly infringes on free speech, somehow ‘whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.’ is an acceptable excuse for infringing on our constitutional rights.
That thin blue line argument is easier said than done. Have you ever ratted someone out at your job? Do you know what happens to you once you do? It's likely that your coworkers will treat you with disdain, and you are creating stress for yourself at work. In a cops case you are counting on your coworkers to have your back in a dangerous situation and there has to be trust. I'm all for police reform, I'm all for ending no knock warrents and the drug war in general. But I'm also aware that the job is shit and I would never do it.
I see like 5/20 people searing mask correctly most people i see wear it around their neck and assume that does fuckin anything other people dont cover their nose and some people dont even bring a mask
Speaking on about the 17:50 mark where Taylor brought up the example of a stolen car. My dads car was stolen, we had to find it at some trailor park and report it to the police and everything and we thought that was done. Fast forward 6 months, my dad is driving that car and gets pulled over and forced on the ground at gun point because they never put it in as found so the cops believed it to still be stolen. My dad was yelling “this is my car, I have the paperwork and my ID and everything” the cop just tells him “shut up or I’ll shoot.” Which then warranted my dads response of “You’re gonna kill me for stealing my own car??” That’s when another officer stepped in and defused the situation. The cop later told my dad “You know I was about to shoot you because you didn’t listen” These are the people protecting you..
@@nick-zc9xv What are you going to do with pepper spray when you get an active shooter. A phenomenon that is increasing in America? Sure a swat team can come in, but how long does that take to mobilize? Look at Columbine where the shooters held the student's and teachers hostage inside and police couldn't go in to rescue them.
@@nick-zc9xv Obviously your gun information is coming from Holywood and videogames (tbh a few months ago I was the same), the thing is a pistol doesn't guarantee a kill. If you notice in many police shootings, the offender doesn't actually die straight of the bat, in fact there are many documented cases where people even when shot with a bullet in "lethal areas" don't generally die. i.e. there is a video on youtube where a mother and daughter shoot a robber more than 10 times point blank and the robber was still able to drive himself to the hospital. A shotgun and an AR has the power to neutralise an offender as it has a higher lethality rate. (due to caliber size and "gun power") so if you wanna guarantee to have the ability to stop a shooter those weapons are 99% recommended. In regards to programs, schools have been a try but are very unsuccessful as just saying don't shoot to a bully victim where the school takes no initiative in handling doesn't seem to work. Most of the time the reason these kids enter a school environment to conduct their acts of terror is that they know its a gun-free zone, therefore they know their chances of success are high of performing mass casualties. Weapons such as the ones u mentions act both as a deterrent and a shield as a shooter will know the chances of being countered are high.
I regret to inform you but most Police Departments do go through many different training courses and psychiatrist tests before they’re given the job. The problem I see with many departments is a lack of physical fitness, community building events, and anger management classes. As for these police brutality incidents there’s different between police shooting an innocent man in his home and shooting a criminal who tries to shoot or stab them. A lot of former cases are getting wrapped in with the later
Woody is under the impression that cops are going to apply a choke holds like the people HE is around(people who train and the good ones don’t need 5 friends for 1 guy). If you let the “right” ones go it....the bad ones will incorrectly or in a bullying way. Secondly, IF they fuck up, they’ll never charged like you are me. I mean, take a look at this which is much more serious and dangerous to everyone around the rear of that person to a certain degree: According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department's firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent
Yeahhh here in the US, these hotshot cops and unstable, nervous cops shoot people on a damn whim. Defunding them isn't gonna solve anything but letting criminals know they can do whatever they want because the police have very little funding and can't do anything at all without the media smearing them. More funding if needed, but direct a large chunk of it to training.
To be fair to Kyle on the heroin point. Drugs are a huge problem and the only way to deal with them is make them legal and then care for users not arrest them
Sean Hokanson Those are just wanna be heros without the capes then. Most of the ones I know would still be cops but they talk about all the angry, racist, extremist cops being upset and the unions afraid of losing revenue
@Saint Jerry Well seems to me like their use is abused as well as the avenues of force used for "non-dangerous" subjects with all the military surplus their county could afford on the tax payers dime
As someone who lives in Camden County, i have to drive different in there. I can't pull up right behind someone incase they try to hop out and steal my car. It is a ruined place, from the people to the police
People keep saying they want to defund the police yet they want police to have better training, and every single time I hear people say that I literally lose brain cells.
To clear it up, those are two separate approaches to one issue. It's more of an 'either-or' situation, so conflating the two as one argument is a bit of a scarecrow to make your opposition sound hypocritical.
Noah Moufarrij I’m not out hunting my “opposition” down to make myself look better in some way, I’m just stating what I see all over social media which is people saying the police need better training and then a jump to the police need to be defunded soon after.
@@BasedRedpilledMasterJ alright. So they are proposing two separate solutions to a problem (police brutality), how is this inverse thinking? Also, why is opposition in quotations? If you disagree with a group of people, they are your opposition on that matter. Just putting people's words in quotations doesn't make you sound smart, though you may think it does.
With the amount of tax money they are currently given, it's basically thievery that they aren't already getting proper training. They certainly don't need more money to have better training. What should be "defunded" is all that military style gear they're equipped with.
Noah Moufarrij They just aren’t educated on the subject, it’s not an opinion it’s fact “No Funding = Bad Training” as to put it simply you get what you pay for. I’m not trying to “act smart” me putting it in quotations is me just pointing out and emphasizing the words you used in your reply.
I've seen a bill put forward in her name that will ban no knock warrants. So sad it took an innocent couple getting shot at Breonna dying to realize these were so fuckin wrong and illegal they shouldn't have been started in the first place. Give a man a hammer and everything's a nail. Give them the ability to bust into people's houses without knocking and they're using it every time they want a surprise attack. Something like 69% of them do not end up in arrests. "Let's give them the right to bear arms, and defend their home in the night. Then we will break in without identifying ourselves, and if they try to shoot at us, WE KILL EM, it's justified." - US Police Tactics
@ even if they did, to expect someone waking from sleep in the middle of the night to a home invasion situation to recognize their identification and then analyze the situation to make sure they actually are police is ridiculous.
Alan Carroll Jr It was a no knock and no body cameras as required. Self defense with a legal firearm is getting him charged. Person on warrant was already in custody for 2 days. idk where your hearing conflicting reports
@ yes I own a firearm. And if my door gets kicked in you better believe it's getting pointed at whoever came through the door.
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EyeTVideos if my door gets kicked in with no warning I’m going to shoot as well. I’m still waiting for proof because the agency is disputing that it was a no knock, saying they announced their presence.
I always love the dichotomy of woody the person who grew up rich and sheltered and Kyle who grew up in the sketchiest situations far from wealthy who knows how the real world works.
Well, most cases should be like that, otherwise why even police. His point is that there is no universal solution and it's probably better to be prepared for the extreme because taking risks is not a good strategy. Also, friendly fire is a common thing in military, but it's just so retarded that a regular citizen could shoot a policeman thinking it's a criminal.
George Floyd was a violent criminal with a history of home invasion and forcing a pregnant woman with a gun in her belly to comply. He is a thug who served 5 years for disgusting crimes. The media props this guy up like he’s a saint, shows you what the real agenda is. Not to mention more white people are killed by police and your chances of dying by police as a black person is significantly lower. Helps to actually use stats and reality to base decisions around, not PC feelings
andrew page well when you use distorted forms of statistics that don’t account for what percentage each race is then yah I’m sure it’s easy to make it sound smart. And he also wasn’t a criminal, he hadn’t had an encounter with the police in almost a decade. And if you’re so smart you would know it doesn’t matter what he did, he didn’t deserve to die in the street, we have innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
RedheadedUndead You really are part of that sheeple crowd, totally incapable of critical thought. I never once said the force was justified you just pluck that out of thin air. He was a violent criminal with a violent past, that is totally glossed over as if the guy was a saint to the community. Anyone that thinks he deserved to die is just as dumb as you are, I don’t think anyone actually believes that. Justice should be served in a court of law, but we should also call a spade a spade.
andrew page you seem to lack critical thinking skills as well. You can’t look past your own bias of the media to understand the situation at hand. Criminal justice is suppose to be reforming individuals. So if he served his time for his crime shouldn’t he viewed as an equal part of society? Also when he was arrested he was no threat and the officer took it in his hands to be judge, juror, and executioner. How many times does this occur in the US to citizens?
more training is a thing as well. In some places in the US police training is like 6 months. in the netherlands the minimum is 2 years. like how can you expect to be a fully trained police officer that can de-escalate, and all the other stuff after 6 months.
Its still crazy to me that in a country with such a tough enviournment for Police such as the US they only need half a year of training. Here in Germany you train three years to be a cop and have a whole list of tests you have to pass before you can even start training for it. And even then theres a three or five year trial period after you finish training. Thats the way it should be.
Minneapolis resident here. The "protesters" burned so many small businesses to the ground, and by the way, 3rd precinct was about a mile from my house, they burned it to the fucking ground. Post offices, walgreens, banks, targets, gas stations all burned to the ground. You know what, FUCK those protesters. Those little assholes were threatening a friend of mine after he found some of them trying to break into his car & told them to go away. "We'll be back later White motherfucker, we're gonna set your house on fire" type remarks. So i went over the next day to stand guard with him. Again, about 25 of these assholes showed up but once they heard us racking round, they didnt have much to say.
do the research before you speak on something, it was a no knock bc the woman has been seen taking packages out of trap house, man in custody is from the trap house. not the warrant they had for her house
you dont just get no knock warrant. you have to have proof for the no knock warrant, and months of investigation and intelligence, and watching the location, it was the right house
I would disagree with whether or not it solves more issues or creates more issues should be the focus. I think it shouldnt be about that, I think it should be about putting rights before most anything else with very few exceptions. I think taking a lot of responsibility away from cops, so their lane is much more focused is a good idea. Being a cop should be something you need to invest time into to be able to become. Cops should only be delegated to aggressive or dangerous situations that have already been escalated. Eliminating no knock warrants puts cops lives at risk. But when you become a cop the mindset should be that you're sacrificing your life, to guarentee and protect others rights. Protect and serve.
If what you're discussing is forcefully entry to a premises with no prior notice, then there are loads of "no knock warrants" in the UK. It is not open to discussion here
the camera might not lie, but often time the editor of especially videos do. Cutting and chopping key contextual moments to swing it in one's favor, which I see all the time on videos to do with police
15:33 it depends but New guy in the area or just new new cop They need a body cam and file checks every months for how good they are doing Some Secret Servers doing some file checks on every cop building every month If youre bad 1. 4months off cop work and 25% cut pay and only workout 2. 10 months and retraining and 50% cut pay 3. 1 year New training and 90% cut pay 4. Fire them
The fact that a guy who add a tank in his drie way can't realise that cop are human and can be scaird of what is behind that door is the fucking problem
From what I remember the guy they were looking for was already in custody, it was a no knock warrant, it was the wrong address, didn’t announce themselves, and they were plain clothes. Because of the media coverage they dropped the attempted murder charges but he was initially arrested for attempted murder after having his wife killed in front of him by police. Happens too often. Same situation happened to an older couple in houston except they were both killed. The most recent one I heard was Duncan Lemp who was sleeping with his pregnant gf and was shot and killed by police from outside of his home. His pregnant gf was also shot.
I've had the use for police and they were actually super cool about it. I accidentally locked my key in my car (it was a 2001 mitsubishi galant) and the cop came and used a heart rate reader pump to open my door just enough that he could use a hanger to open the door. Cops do serve the community in lots of ways.
I think they should just replace the no-knock warrant with some kind breach warrant if they're concerned about evidence being destroyed. Quickly announcing themselves before breaching doesn't take much longer, and who cares if criminals get an extra few seconds to arm themselves or get cover frankly. Trying to analyze a room full of surprised people to see who surrenders and who draws weapons is an accident waiting to happen, on top of misunderstandings with people defending themselves from what could seem like a home invasion.
I agree with some of his points, but remember, it is EXTREMELY easy to judge what someone did in haste, from leisure. if you had a split second to decide on how to save your life and lives of others, it wouldn't be so easy, you decide and don't have the time to think about "what will the media say". some cops have hesitated and died because of worrying about those kinds of things, policing is a very hard and dangerous job, don't be so quick to judge peoples actions from a situation you have never been in.
Testosterone is a helluva drug; a twenty something kid only recognizes the unrealistic expectations,the poor decision making, while taking those last breaths before bleeding out.The modern world and human history have been built on hubris and wrongful encouragement,- after all, the dead can't tell you that it wasn't worth it. Kyle needs to consider the old saying regarding how only the worst kind of coward would say what they would do in circumstances never experienced. I can imagine easily how every single traffic stop could eventually add up to one vicious case of PTSD. It's the OTHER natural chemical response, the way humans are wired.
99% of police departments don't have a quota. Large places like LA, NYPD, etc, do, but your local sheriffs office probably doesn't. The war on drugs is lost, no knock warrants do have their places, but should require insanely extensive research and proof to be utilized, not just handed out. Yes, police academy is fairly short, but, after academy, you get hired and then have field training, which for most departments is a minimum of 6 months long, often times becoming a year long before you even drive around on your own. Headlocks are useful, getting someone with a taser just doesn't work sometimes. Grabbing someone and throwing their ass to the ground has to be done occasionally. There are cops that go very far overboard with it, yes, but it has its place. The thin blue line culture isn't about cops "not ratting eachother out" it's more about showing support for the career and solidarity when an officer is harmed, not to cover another cop being corrupt. I think the modern culture we are in is somewhat sad, since nobody seems to respect police. People blatantly disregard lawful orders or don't produce ID, and I feel as though it's becoming more of an issue compounding with the brutality being more "widespread" in a way. Police need to be more respectful to civilians, and civilians need to be more respectful to police. Call out the bad cops, vilify them, fire them, charge them, etc, but respect the cops that are good, and you won't have problems.
"Not having quotas" is about the same as saying "overtime is voluntary." Come on, if you wanna get anywhere in your job, you lick those boots. If you wanna be the next sheriff, you write as many tickets as you can get.
That means it's time to fundamentally chance the focus of law enforcement and end the horseshit. Cops need to be there to protect against violent crimes and theft. The act of using and possessing drugs alone needs to be treated like the medical and mental health issue that it has always been.
To counter Kyle's "we have over enthusiastic cops" point being a cop is such a shitty job Noone can do it without implementing positivity and fun if there is no enthusiasm in the cop the we have donut cops that can't run a mile.
Being a Cop is the definition of a “Gamble” since you never know who exactly you’ve been sent to handle. I feel for those State Troopers who stop cars on the highway at 3AM & as they are walking up to the car there’s 50% that the person is a decent human being or an absolute nightmare that will try to hurt said police officer.
Not to mention the process it takes just to be approved to go into training. My friend had to be in the police reserves for 3 years before ever even having a chance to apply to the academy
@@forrestsytsma5861 I know that a bunch of states are different and there are some programs that allo students acter there 6 months of schooling to go into a 15 month apprenticeship type thing but that's it
Cops need more money for training so they will be more comfortable not using their guns. And btw, how many cops are there and how many incidents are there? Too onesided this entire stuff.
opusa They already have too much money. The NYPD’s budget is the same as Ukraine, $6 billion. It’s an insult that with all of that money they aren’t better trained.
Replace the taser with a traumatic pistol they use them in Eastern Europe a heck of a lot its basicly a 10mm cartridge with a low charge and a kinda hard rubber ball you have 13 shots 4 or 5 will drop anyone pop em in the legs mag dump style they will run about 0ft tasers are trash get a baikal traumatic pistol there bad serious power it's a bullet that don't go in well not far anyway they punch through light jackets and don't aim at faces or stomachs as u can kill or do what bartec did and put 10mm steel ball bearings in instead fkin psyco went through a fridge door we used to Skype he's from Belarus... I want one
On the coronavirus topic if you're currently in america i can almost garuntee you've had it yet not even realized it. I've been sheltering myself since this all started pretty well yet even though I've done my best I got checked to see if i have/had at a clinic and I was tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, so even though you think you're safe, you're not. I have athsma by the way, so I was most concerned with myself, but now that I know I've had it I don't really care. There were a ton of confirmed cases here in America, so you can only imagine the amazingly high amount of unconfirmed cases of people having corona yet not even knowing. I would say I'm a part of that statistic.
Man U can tell the people that spend a lot of time online. They all got the same arguments that don't work on crime. The nurse argument is old and sucked the first time I heard it elsewhere
No knock warrants should end. Body cams at all times. Legalize all drugs and put the money into educating the public about drugs. BUT calling cops pussies because they want to leave their JOB alive and go home to their families is ridiculous. The JOB SHOULD be dangerous? It IS dangerous already. Who's going to pay these people accordingly to possibly forfeit their life everyday because Kyle thinks their job should be more dangerous than it already is? Kyle, I get it, you got fucked unfairly by the system and it was wrong, but check your bias bro.
I lost a lot of respect for Kyle in this video. I agree with Woody however, not every agency has bodycams so let's not pretend they do. Kyle specifically states that bad cops are shown on T.V. the media divides the country. The majority of cops are good people who have the hardest job in the world where seeing dead kids is not that unusual. Do some become jaded? Of course. Are their bad cops? Sure. Just like doctors, lawyers and politicians.
Lol, lawncare is more dangerous than being a cop. Cops are compliant in enforcing unconstitutional laws. Screw them. Community policing combined with hostage rescue teams is all we need. Ask youself why the supreme court decided police officers were not obligated to protect you. They aren't here for you.
Paintball guns. But pepper spray instead of paint. Like dog the bounty hunter ik the show was a big skit butttt can’t those be a thing? Lite someone up with 20 of those they will be immobilized but not dead an probs easy to deal.
What do you think needs to happen for Police reform in America?
Well we could start by NOT defunding them,The best way we can reform them is to give them proper training.And training cost money,seriously if you think we can just Abolish the Police and put 700k people out of work then your not thinking to clearly.And even better psych evals.And thing is if you do yearly inspection by FEDS then I believe they would be worried about them.Or in the case of the officer that killed Floyd,After 3 complaints do an investigation or Suspend them for a week. So that they are further discouraged to commit Crimes.And just saying another thing about defunding them is they will only have GUNS and it would be the only way for them to defend themselves (other then martial arts).Because Tazers,40mm,Batons,Pepper spray,And bean bag rounds cost money.
Just give Kyle his guns back and let him re-invade Seattle 🤟
@@VincentViewer Yeah I cant wait till they send the National Guard in to reclaim "CHAZ" Theres gonna be so many vids of ANTIFA getting the shit beat out of them lol itll be great.
@@stdshurt7972 It's going to be like gameplay footage for a new Tom Clancy video game. Shit will be lit.
they have been claiming to reform this shit for over half a century. if you want local change stop voting for the same local parties over and over again because they keep failing to do anything about it.
You guys should get donut operator on the show it would be interesting to have a former police officer and you guys could discuss.
Late reply but I agree. Would be a fun episode for sure
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He's too big there's no way he would come on
He’s just straight up police propaganda though, and not even entertaining. Might as well have Dave Grossman on to find out if he things the police have too much power
I agree with Kyle. We need to clean house and rehire with new laws and rules overseeing police, including limiting what the unions can do.
There are some good cops ik a couple. They just need heavy mental evaluations.
@@rsk6929 I love when people try to validate the actions by "I know a few good cops" same vibes as "I have a black friend"
@@russell3023 I love when people play the victim same vibes as im a pussy that needs shit handed to them
@@russell3023 He's not validating the the bad ones actions are you dumb?
If the libertarian party miraculously wins Kyle could probably start up FPS Russia again. They want to get rid of charges such as his.
We were so close this year, next time for sure
IV not at all only 1.1% of votes last time we had at least 3%
@@iv5539 LMAO
@@iv5539 we’re never close lol
It would be interesanting to have donut operator here
The whole ideology that we need a police force is built on the foundation that our society is flawed-which it is. The problem isnt just with police, its also with the people the police have to “serve and protect”. If we want to make significant change to the system that governs the people and is meant to maintain order, we need to also work diligently to make sure that we arent creating problems on our end as well. Nothing is a one way street
Totally agree. The enviroment shapes people. Same with criminals and Police.
rip to all the dogs if that no knock warrant goes through
Not sure what you mean by "goes through". They already exist and they were discussing a law repealing the use of them.
@@abracing199 Nice. One very clearly not constitutional law gone. Doubt they get rid of section 230 (clause 2) which literally directly infringes on free speech, somehow ‘whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.’ is an acceptable excuse for infringing on our constitutional rights.
That thin blue line argument is easier said than done. Have you ever ratted someone out at your job? Do you know what happens to you once you do? It's likely that your coworkers will treat you with disdain, and you are creating stress for yourself at work. In a cops case you are counting on your coworkers to have your back in a dangerous situation and there has to be trust.
I'm all for police reform, I'm all for ending no knock warrents and the drug war in general. But I'm also aware that the job is shit and I would never do it.
I'd say atleast 15 percent of people I see with a mask arent wearing it correctly or wearing it around there necks
I see like 5/20 people searing mask correctly most people i see wear it around their neck and assume that does fuckin anything other people dont cover their nose and some people dont even bring a mask
I don’t give a shit if people wear their masks or not. If I’m wearing mine and I’m not near them, doesn’t affect me
I feel like sometimes the guys get too comfortable with a given guest and end up not letting them talk for 10+ minutes at a time.
Cops Qualified Immunity, is by far the most important piece that needs to be abolished.
*Yes.*
Woody: can I just come in for one second..?
Kyle: *sighs* …yeah ig..? 😂😂😂
Woody:*continues to ramble for 5 straight minutes*
So awkward 😂😂
His name was duncan lemp
As soon as I saw this I instantly thought of Duncan
We are Duncan Lemp
Alex Myers we’re all Duncan Lemp
@@fineststarches8976 we are all duncan lemp but only black people are George floyd
@Dart Field Don't be a shitbag
Speaking on about the 17:50 mark where Taylor brought up the example of a stolen car. My dads car was stolen, we had to find it at some trailor park and report it to the police and everything and we thought that was done. Fast forward 6 months, my dad is driving that car and gets pulled over and forced on the ground at gun point because they never put it in as found so the cops believed it to still be stolen. My dad was yelling “this is my car, I have the paperwork and my ID and everything” the cop just tells him “shut up or I’ll shoot.” Which then warranted my dads response of “You’re gonna kill me for stealing my own car??” That’s when another officer stepped in and defused the situation. The cop later told my dad “You know I was about to shoot you because you didn’t listen” These are the people protecting you..
The gun wasn’t just a pistol either. It was a shotgun
I would have sued the living fuk
I 100% agree with Kyle about the job of police.
Cops should have to go through rigorous training that the Military does
Along with thorough adherence to rules of engagement that the military are already following.
well then defunding the police isnt the right idea.
@@nick-zc9xv What are you going to do with pepper spray when you get an active shooter. A phenomenon that is increasing in America? Sure a swat team can come in, but how long does that take to mobilize? Look at Columbine where the shooters held the student's and teachers hostage inside and police couldn't go in to rescue them.
@@nick-zc9xv Obviously your gun information is coming from Holywood and videogames (tbh a few months ago I was the same), the thing is a pistol doesn't guarantee a kill. If you notice in many police shootings, the offender doesn't actually die straight of the bat, in fact there are many documented cases where people even when shot with a bullet in "lethal areas" don't generally die. i.e. there is a video on youtube where a mother and daughter shoot a robber more than 10 times point blank and the robber was still able to drive himself to the hospital.
A shotgun and an AR has the power to neutralise an offender as it has a higher lethality rate. (due to caliber size and "gun power") so if you wanna guarantee to have the ability to stop a shooter those weapons are 99% recommended.
In regards to programs, schools have been a try but are very unsuccessful as just saying don't shoot to a bully victim where the school takes no initiative in handling doesn't seem to work. Most of the time the reason these kids enter a school environment to conduct their acts of terror is that they know its a gun-free zone, therefore they know their chances of success are high of performing mass casualties. Weapons such as the ones u mentions act both as a deterrent and a shield as a shooter will know the chances of being countered are high.
I regret to inform you but most Police Departments do go through many different training courses and psychiatrist tests before they’re given the job. The problem I see with many departments is a lack of physical fitness, community building events, and anger management classes. As for these police brutality incidents there’s different between police shooting an innocent man in his home and shooting a criminal who tries to shoot or stab them. A lot of former cases are getting wrapped in with the later
Woody is under the impression that cops are going to apply a choke holds like the people HE is around(people who train and the good ones don’t need 5 friends for 1 guy). If you let the “right” ones go it....the bad ones will incorrectly or in a bullying way.
Secondly, IF they fuck up, they’ll never charged like you are me.
I mean, take a look at this which is much more serious and dangerous to everyone around the rear of that person to a certain degree:
According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department's firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent
Also in a social sparring situation if someone takes it too far someone else is almost always there to step in and diffuse the situation.
Agree with Kyle 100% on this
Yeah Police have huge egos. Even in Europe. Still, the US is a whole other story.
Dont think you can just talk about european police as they tend to differ across countries as there is quite a lot of them mate
@@nevvy7669 Americans have a tendency to do that about a lot of stuff like "Europe is nice"
Yeahhh here in the US, these hotshot cops and unstable, nervous cops shoot people on a damn whim. Defunding them isn't gonna solve anything but letting criminals know they can do whatever they want because the police have very little funding and can't do anything at all without the media smearing them. More funding if needed, but direct a large chunk of it to training.
To be fair to Kyle on the heroin point. Drugs are a huge problem and the only way to deal with them is make them legal and then care for users not arrest them
no knock warrants and qualified immunity need to end
Sean Hokanson Those are just wanna be heros without the capes then. Most of the ones I know would still be cops but they talk about all the angry, racist, extremist cops being upset and the unions afraid of losing revenue
@Saint Jerry Well seems to me like their use is abused as well as the avenues of force used for "non-dangerous" subjects with all the military surplus their county could afford on the tax payers dime
As someone who lives in Camden County, i have to drive different in there. I can't pull up right behind someone incase they try to hop out and steal my car. It is a ruined place, from the people to the police
People keep saying they want to defund the police yet they want police to have better training, and every single time I hear people say that I literally lose brain cells.
To clear it up, those are two separate approaches to one issue. It's more of an 'either-or' situation, so conflating the two as one argument is a bit of a scarecrow to make your opposition sound hypocritical.
Noah Moufarrij I’m not out hunting my “opposition” down to make myself look better in some way, I’m just stating what I see all over social media which is people saying the police need better training and then a jump to the police need to be defunded soon after.
@@BasedRedpilledMasterJ alright. So they are proposing two separate solutions to a problem (police brutality), how is this inverse thinking? Also, why is opposition in quotations? If you disagree with a group of people, they are your opposition on that matter. Just putting people's words in quotations doesn't make you sound smart, though you may think it does.
With the amount of tax money they are currently given, it's basically thievery that they aren't already getting proper training. They certainly don't need more money to have better training. What should be "defunded" is all that military style gear they're equipped with.
Noah Moufarrij They just aren’t educated on the subject, it’s not an opinion it’s fact “No Funding = Bad Training” as to put it simply you get what you pay for. I’m not trying to “act smart” me putting it in quotations is me just pointing out and emphasizing the words you used in your reply.
RIP Breonna Taylor
Boyfriend may have charges dropped. No body cams were used as required.
I've seen a bill put forward in her name that will ban no knock warrants. So sad it took an innocent couple getting shot at Breonna dying to realize these were so fuckin wrong and illegal they shouldn't have been started in the first place. Give a man a hammer and everything's a nail. Give them the ability to bust into people's houses without knocking and they're using it every time they want a surprise attack. Something like 69% of them do not end up in arrests.
"Let's give them the right to bear arms, and defend their home in the night. Then we will break in without identifying ourselves, and if they try to shoot at us, WE KILL EM, it's justified."
- US Police Tactics
@ even if they did, to expect someone waking from sleep in the middle of the night to a home invasion situation to recognize their identification and then analyze the situation to make sure they actually are police is ridiculous.
Alan Carroll Jr It was a no knock and no body cameras as required. Self defense with a legal firearm is getting him charged. Person on warrant was already in custody for 2 days. idk where your hearing conflicting reports
@ yes I own a firearm. And if my door gets kicked in you better believe it's getting pointed at whoever came through the door.
EyeTVideos if my door gets kicked in with no warning I’m going to shoot as well. I’m still waiting for proof because the agency is disputing that it was a no knock, saying they announced their presence.
I always love the dichotomy of woody the person who grew up rich and sheltered and Kyle who grew up in the sketchiest situations far from wealthy who knows how the real world works.
Lmao. You make no sense. Kyle was a rich boy. Poor kids don't get guns for Christmas and their birthday from their parents. Use your brain fucktard.
Bruh Kyle did not grow up in sketchy situations what are you talking about
Woody thinks every case they deal with is more like these murdering criminals and less like the no knock warrants or Floyd case.
Well, most cases should be like that, otherwise why even police. His point is that there is no universal solution and it's probably better to be prepared for the extreme because taking risks is not a good strategy.
Also, friendly fire is a common thing in military, but it's just so retarded that a regular citizen could shoot a policeman thinking it's a criminal.
George Floyd was a violent criminal with a history of home invasion and forcing a pregnant woman with a gun in her belly to comply. He is a thug who served 5 years for disgusting crimes. The media props this guy up like he’s a saint, shows you what the real agenda is. Not to mention more white people are killed by police and your chances of dying by police as a black person is significantly lower. Helps to actually use stats and reality to base decisions around, not PC feelings
andrew page well when you use distorted forms of statistics that don’t account for what percentage each race is then yah I’m sure it’s easy to make it sound smart. And he also wasn’t a criminal, he hadn’t had an encounter with the police in almost a decade. And if you’re so smart you would know it doesn’t matter what he did, he didn’t deserve to die in the street, we have innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
RedheadedUndead You really are part of that sheeple crowd, totally incapable of critical thought. I never once said the force was justified you just pluck that out of thin air. He was a violent criminal with a violent past, that is totally glossed over as if the guy was a saint to the community. Anyone that thinks he deserved to die is just as dumb as you are, I don’t think anyone actually believes that. Justice should be served in a court of law, but we should also call a spade a spade.
andrew page you seem to lack critical thinking skills as well. You can’t look past your own bias of the media to understand the situation at hand. Criminal justice is suppose to be reforming individuals. So if he served his time for his crime shouldn’t he viewed as an equal part of society? Also when he was arrested he was no threat and the officer took it in his hands to be judge, juror, and executioner. How many times does this occur in the US to citizens?
more training is a thing as well. In some places in the US police training is like 6 months. in the netherlands the minimum is 2 years. like how can you expect to be a fully trained police officer that can de-escalate, and all the other stuff after 6 months.
Sell quadruple police funds
Its still crazy to me that in a country with such a tough enviournment for Police such as the US they only need half a year of training. Here in Germany you train three years to be a cop and have a whole list of tests you have to pass before you can even start training for it. And even then theres a three or five year trial period after you finish training. Thats the way it should be.
Minneapolis resident here. The "protesters" burned so many small businesses to the ground, and by the way, 3rd precinct was about a mile from my house, they burned it to the fucking ground. Post offices, walgreens, banks, targets, gas stations all burned to the ground. You know what, FUCK those protesters. Those little assholes were threatening a friend of mine after he found some of them trying to break into his car & told them to go away. "We'll be back later White motherfucker, we're gonna set your house on fire" type remarks. So i went over the next day to stand guard with him. Again, about 25 of these assholes showed up but once they heard us racking round, they didnt have much to say.
do the research before you speak on something, it was a no knock bc the woman has been seen taking packages out of trap house, man in custody is from the trap house. not the warrant they had for her house
you dont just get no knock warrant. you have to have proof for the no knock warrant, and months of investigation and intelligence, and watching the location, it was the right house
8:17 way to call me out Pyle
The case woody is talking a bout is misleading, the officers did announce themselves.
I would disagree with whether or not it solves more issues or creates more issues should be the focus. I think it shouldnt be about that, I think it should be about putting rights before most anything else with very few exceptions. I think taking a lot of responsibility away from cops, so their lane is much more focused is a good idea. Being a cop should be something you need to invest time into to be able to become. Cops should only be delegated to aggressive or dangerous situations that have already been escalated. Eliminating no knock warrants puts cops lives at risk. But when you become a cop the mindset should be that you're sacrificing your life, to guarentee and protect others rights. Protect and serve.
I enjoy Harley as a guest.
If they have a no knock warrant they should atleast have to make sure it's at least the correct house w like 10-20 min or surveillance
Im pretty sure the pig video Taylor talks about is from south america maybe Venezuela
This is a good topic, they all had good opinions and were open to critisizum
I think announcing yourself before you enter a dwelling and immediately after entering a dwelling are two different things.
Imagine if you were part of a family that had an officer murdered because of the things going on right now.
If what you're discussing is forcefully entry to a premises with no prior notice, then there are loads of "no knock warrants" in the UK. It is not open to discussion here
the camera might not lie, but often time the editor of especially videos do. Cutting and chopping key contextual moments to swing it in one's favor, which I see all the time on videos to do with police
Based
Kyle -"Cops make crime go up"
15:33 it depends but New guy in the area or just new new cop
They need a body cam and file checks every months for how good they are doing
Some Secret Servers doing some file checks on every cop building every month
If youre bad
1. 4months off cop work and 25% cut pay and only workout
2. 10 months and retraining and 50% cut pay
3. 1 year New training and 90% cut pay
4. Fire them
The fact that a guy who add a tank in his drie way can't realise that cop are human and can be scaird of what is behind that door is the fucking problem
Boys being boys. Havin fun. Making chilly with the lads.
From what I remember the guy they were looking for was already in custody, it was a no knock warrant, it was the wrong address, didn’t announce themselves, and they were plain clothes. Because of the media coverage they dropped the attempted murder charges but he was initially arrested for attempted murder after having his wife killed in front of him by police. Happens too often. Same situation happened to an older couple in houston except they were both killed. The most recent one I heard was Duncan Lemp who was sleeping with his pregnant gf and was shot and killed by police from outside of his home. His pregnant gf was also shot.
I've had the use for police and they were actually super cool about it. I accidentally locked my key in my car (it was a 2001 mitsubishi galant) and the cop came and used a heart rate reader pump to open my door just enough that he could use a hanger to open the door. Cops do serve the community in lots of ways.
Mike Litoris You know that’s not a police officers job right? Normal people call AAA for that. So you really have no point.
Yea all that police reform you want definitely will not make crime even worse in our country
No, the cops dropped the charges of attempted murder of a cop in the breona Taylor, and the man actually shot one of them (in the leg)
Soothing voices 😂 Nah Woodrow, we’ve got drugs for that. Ride this B-52
I think they should just replace the no-knock warrant with some kind breach warrant if they're concerned about evidence being destroyed. Quickly announcing themselves before breaching doesn't take much longer, and who cares if criminals get an extra few seconds to arm themselves or get cover frankly. Trying to analyze a room full of surprised people to see who surrenders and who draws weapons is an accident waiting to happen, on top of misunderstandings with people defending themselves from what could seem like a home invasion.
My respect for Kyle just went up listening to this clip.
I bet that Netherlands fire department is just doing peachy now.
Kyle watch defund the police from donut operatorand some of the new stuff from the protest
And his stuff on choke holds
Kyle is anti-police over what happened to him so do not expect any rational thought or objectivity from him.
3:38 Harley looks like a cave man 😂
Damn Kyle spitting fax
I agree with some of his points, but remember, it is EXTREMELY easy to judge what someone did in haste, from leisure. if you had a split second to decide on how to save your life and lives of others, it wouldn't be so easy, you decide and don't have the time to think about "what will the media say". some cops have hesitated and died because of worrying about those kinds of things, policing is a very hard and dangerous job, don't be so quick to judge peoples actions from a situation you have never been in.
Testosterone is a helluva drug; a twenty something kid only recognizes the unrealistic expectations,the poor decision making, while taking those last breaths before bleeding out.The modern world and human history have been built on hubris and wrongful encouragement,- after all, the dead can't tell you that it wasn't worth it.
Kyle needs to consider the old saying regarding how only the worst kind of coward would say what they would do in circumstances never experienced.
I can imagine easily how every single traffic stop could eventually add up to one vicious case of PTSD.
It's the OTHER natural chemical response, the way humans are wired.
I'm from Camden, the police reform did not help much. Camden is a horrible example.
LOL Kyle's description of smelling farts at the end was hilarious and relateable. Wow what a generic sounding comment btw
Can’t believe Kyle mentioned eFukt 😬
“I’ll take a choke over a baton” woody
There we go Kyle.
Where exactly do yall disagree with Kyle on this?
99% of police departments don't have a quota. Large places like LA, NYPD, etc, do, but your local sheriffs office probably doesn't. The war on drugs is lost, no knock warrants do have their places, but should require insanely extensive research and proof to be utilized, not just handed out. Yes, police academy is fairly short, but, after academy, you get hired and then have field training, which for most departments is a minimum of 6 months long, often times becoming a year long before you even drive around on your own.
Headlocks are useful, getting someone with a taser just doesn't work sometimes. Grabbing someone and throwing their ass to the ground has to be done occasionally. There are cops that go very far overboard with it, yes, but it has its place. The thin blue line culture isn't about cops "not ratting eachother out" it's more about showing support for the career and solidarity when an officer is harmed, not to cover another cop being corrupt.
I think the modern culture we are in is somewhat sad, since nobody seems to respect police. People blatantly disregard lawful orders or don't produce ID, and I feel as though it's becoming more of an issue compounding with the brutality being more "widespread" in a way. Police need to be more respectful to civilians, and civilians need to be more respectful to police. Call out the bad cops, vilify them, fire them, charge them, etc, but respect the cops that are good, and you won't have problems.
"Not having quotas" is about the same as saying "overtime is voluntary." Come on, if you wanna get anywhere in your job, you lick those boots. If you wanna be the next sheriff, you write as many tickets as you can get.
Kyle i agree there are a lot of billy badass cops but we are pushing back on cops so hard that the criminals are winning in Oregon and California
That means it's time to fundamentally chance the focus of law enforcement and end the horseshit. Cops need to be there to protect against violent crimes and theft. The act of using and possessing drugs alone needs to be treated like the medical and mental health issue that it has always been.
@@hendo337 yeah the problem with that is Portland has tons of dangerous drug addicts and they will never go away until we separate them from society
I agree
Kyle 100% agreed billy badass mfs need to be fired.
To counter Kyle's "we have over enthusiastic cops" point being a cop is such a shitty job Noone can do it without implementing positivity and fun if there is no enthusiasm in the cop the we have donut cops that can't run a mile.
Being a Cop is the definition of a “Gamble” since you never know who exactly you’ve been sent to handle.
I feel for those State Troopers who stop cars on the highway at 3AM & as they are walking up to the car there’s 50% that the person is a decent human being or an absolute nightmare that will try to hurt said police officer.
Damn woody has a good take for once.
Violent crime is just as high in Camden.
Why does Kyle go to the hospital pharmacy every month?
Kyle it does not take 22 weeks it takes just about 24 months
Not to mention the process it takes just to be approved to go into training. My friend had to be in the police reserves for 3 years before ever even having a chance to apply to the academy
@@forrestsytsma5861 I know that a bunch of states are different and there are some programs that allo students acter there 6 months of schooling to go into a 15 month apprenticeship type thing but that's it
Cops need more money for training so they will be more comfortable not using their guns. And btw, how many cops are there and how many incidents are there? Too onesided this entire stuff.
opusa They already have too much money. The NYPD’s budget is the same as Ukraine, $6 billion. It’s an insult that with all of that money they aren’t better trained.
Kyles history is so just weird idk how if I can take his view on cops
well he got fucked over by a broken system so if anything his view is better than someone with no experience or say on the matter
infamousNB look earlier than that
Felon bias
Because he knows that police are corrupt and knows there's are huge problem
Sick
Woody thinks John Oliver, CNN , and fox news = a rounded view...
Replace the taser with a traumatic pistol they use them in Eastern Europe a heck of a lot its basicly a 10mm cartridge with a low charge and a kinda hard rubber ball you have 13 shots 4 or 5 will drop anyone pop em in the legs mag dump style they will run about 0ft tasers are trash get a baikal traumatic pistol there bad serious power it's a bullet that don't go in well not far anyway they punch through light jackets and don't aim at faces or stomachs as u can kill or do what bartec did and put 10mm steel ball bearings in instead fkin psyco went through a fridge door we used to Skype he's from Belarus... I want one
On the coronavirus topic if you're currently in america i can almost garuntee you've had it yet not even realized it. I've been sheltering myself since this all started pretty well yet even though I've done my best I got checked to see if i have/had at a clinic and I was tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, so even though you think you're safe, you're not. I have athsma by the way, so I was most concerned with myself, but now that I know I've had it I don't really care. There were a ton of confirmed cases here in America, so you can only imagine the amazingly high amount of unconfirmed cases of people having corona yet not even knowing. I would say I'm a part of that statistic.
Man U can tell the people that spend a lot of time online. They all got the same arguments that don't work on crime. The nurse argument is old and sucked the first time I heard it elsewhere
No knock warrants should end. Body cams at all times.
Legalize all drugs and put the money into educating the public about drugs.
BUT calling cops pussies because they want to leave their JOB alive and go home to their families is ridiculous. The JOB SHOULD be dangerous? It IS dangerous already. Who's going to pay these people accordingly to possibly forfeit their life everyday because Kyle thinks their job should be more dangerous than it already is? Kyle, I get it, you got fucked unfairly by the system and it was wrong, but check your bias bro.
More mechanics were killed at their job last year than police they are pussies
21:24 - Those thin blue masks are useful for one thing. Not having to hear "sir you have to wear a mask" every time you go out in public
7:44
Copy-paste this everywhere
Kyle 👍🏻
Kyle: Explains a no-knock warrant
Taylor: Like swatting???
I think Taylor is by far the weakest part of the podcast
it was the wrong house too LOL fucking hell its a shit case
Most cops deserve respect...
No. Respect is earned. Not given.
wtf i love kyle now
I lost a lot of respect for Kyle in this video. I agree with Woody however, not every agency has bodycams so let's not pretend they do. Kyle specifically states that bad cops are shown on T.V. the media divides the country. The majority of cops are good people who have the hardest job in the world where seeing dead kids is not that unusual. Do some become jaded? Of course. Are their bad cops? Sure. Just like doctors, lawyers and politicians.
Lol, lawncare is more dangerous than being a cop. Cops are compliant in enforcing unconstitutional laws. Screw them. Community policing combined with hostage rescue teams is all we need. Ask youself why the supreme court decided police officers were not obligated to protect you. They aren't here for you.
Guys stop talking over harley
Why are 4 dudes just rambling what is this video?
And horrific situations where they kill someone’s innocent dog. I can’t stand this body cam videos. I get so mad.
police dont have quota though
I don’t like Kyles opinions
Itz Aprem he's really salty for being a momo and getting caught with weed while having all those federal licences 😂😂😂
Rëemy Śoń more info on what happened? is this back when he was fps russia
Ppl dont like to hear the truth
Domenic Alvarez not the truth
@@itzaprem6358 what is not the truth?
7:56 ha doo doo
Never knew Kyle would turn tbh
Paintball guns. But pepper spray instead of paint. Like dog the bounty hunter ik the show was a big skit butttt can’t those be a thing? Lite someone up with 20 of those they will be immobilized but not dead an probs easy to deal.
I love Taylor because sometimes I can’t tell if he slips into a king of the hill bit
I really like Kyle, but I really wish he wasn't a part of this particular conversation. Just seems like he's mad because of his previous experiences.
Woody needs to be educated.