My opinion is: If Kingship depends on the recognition of that Kingship by anyone other than the subjects of that King, then by definition that king can not be a King because the King then becomes a subject of the person that must recognize him. Ramaphosa and the ANC is playing with fire here. This very principle is playing out in Australia now, where the Australian people thought they were a sovereign nation for the last 40 years, and it now turns out that they have been hoodwinked, and are under the control of the British King today. South Afrika under apartheid freed all South Africans from the colonial oppressive British King on 31 May 1961, It is the reason for the hatred of what they and the ANC called "apartheid" even when ALL black people were given independence by the then Nationalist Government. The Zulu tribe would have been and was free to be ruled by there own chosen King. That is why British colonial puppet Ramaphosa MUST make it clear to the Zulu Nation that who-ever is the Zulu King, is only king because he ( and his British Colonial paymasters ) say so, and that is the exact same fight developing in Australia now today.. the British colonialists,. Ramaphosa and the ANC have absolutely nothing to do with the Zulu Royal House and the Nationalist government always respected that.! We all expect the Zulu nation to stand their ground. the ownership of their land literally depends on it.
You are right. The issue is that all traditional leaders in South Africa are recognized under an act of traditional leaders. So lawmakers made it that way. You can be a King of your people - but if you are not recognized by the Government you will not get financial support. Btw I support the current King - King Misuzulu. Bayede!!!!
@@victormkhaliphi2778our support is behind the Kingdom of the Zulu Nation not the King at all times...We should fight for this Kingdom to remain strong...It does not matter, who is the King... Kings come and go...the Kingdom remains... what's wrong with you Zulu
@rudolf thank you , ...your insights and wisdom are a breath of fresh air...What makes a Zulu Nation strong is our sense of identity. Identity is knowing who you are... this will determine how other people treat and respect you. Kingdoms are the true government in this country. Leaders are never elected in Africa they are born. Kings are not "traditional leaders" they are fathers of nations. Kings give nations power to own and inherit land and other means of production. Kings should not be dependent on the state stipend, they are not children of the State or President... This ANC democracy continues to give us "leaders" who come and go every 5 years, their focus is self preservation through individual acquisition of state assets and money. As for the people of this country, they have lost their identity, they don't know who they are...they don't respect themselves, hence they continue to support this weak democratic system...
The Kingdom of the Zulu nation exists outside of the President's recognition, this Kingdom was there before this European democracy, and it will remain after..Vulani amehlo Zulu....izitha ziyasihleka...!!
Prince Misuzulu would be a King if King Goodwill Zwelithini, did not do the rite of "ukufaka umntwana esiswini", which he did by taking Prince Simakade, who is older than Prince Misuzulu, and affiliated him to the homestead of Queen Mantombi, which is another way a future King is Identified! So the late King, by doing what he did, means, he was clear with who should follow after him, and without looking at all of those issues and just stick to favoritism, will kill the Zulu Kingdom, which is currently KINGLESS at the moment, and let's allow the family to fight among themselves up until they decide who should be the King, and we should all respect the decision by the Royal Family! No political rush is needed, Ramaphosa must rest!
@@bonginkosimalangenidlamini4355 okokuqala nje, esizulwini alikho igama elithi "kumcokwa", kukhona elithi "kumqoka", you're correct it is important to know isiZulu. Obheke umlando wamakhosi akwaZulu, bese ungitshele ukuthi lamakhosi angena ngosiko lokufakwa esiswini ayefika abe ama last born yini. okokugcina kusho ukuthi wena ubona ubulima ku King Zwelithini, ekutheni angathatha ingane enonina ayoyikhulisa nomunye umama, kodwa ebe ekhona unina ephila. Madoda musani ukuhluleka ukusebenzisa imiqondo and be factional in everything, soze wahlakanipha uma ucabanga ngxanye, ukuhlakanipha kwenziwa wukubuka izinto macala wonke, ngeke ngibe nenkinga if uMisuzulu eba yiSilo, okokuqala angimazi,njengoba noPrince Simakade ngingamazi, ngibaze manje, ngoba sekukhotheme uyise, so ayikho into engangenza ngithande omunye kunomunye. Kodwa owami umqondo uthi angibheke ama facts, objectively, then my sober conclusion says, King Goodwill knew what he was doing, wena ubusy uphikisana nesinqumo asithatha azi.
In royal institutions the line of succession often results in death for the challenger or reigning brother. Liked Africa Zulu and he was devoted to his nation. Undercover princes showed him to be a man of intelligence education and devotion to his nation. Hope he can find his place in his kingdom
Unlike European laws of succession, in SA the successor to the king(heir) is not born but handpicked by the King. King Zwelethini handpicked Prince Simakade, his first born to be his heir. Marital status of parents at the time the firstborn was born is not a criteria only bloodline, as long as the firstborn is from the seed or loins of the king he or she becomes the heir. Unlike in European royal lines of succession where marital status at birth of the firstborn is a decider. Where the child is born out of wedlock, but the King recognizes the child and bring the child into the first wife's kraal, the child is legitimised as heir. If the child is also the firstborn of the king, that child becomes the eventual king. Simakade is the firstborn, his father the late King Zwelethini legitimised him as his heir apparent. This situation with Prince Misuzulu(the younger brother to Misuzulu) is just to cause confusion and instability. He himself knows he is not the rightful heir hence he always looks depressed. Let Zulu culture prevails and let civil courts stay out of it.
Author of ' The People The Power & The Purpose of The Zulu King ' + Medical consultant to His Majesty The late King Goodwill ZWELATINI appointed recognized King of the Zulu Nation. VB(c)
The Zulu Kingdom will emerge victoriously from this as well, just stronger than before. Anyone that hopes this will collapse the only remaining Black kingdom in SA will be sadly disappointed.
What does Londiwe and Thokozani have against indlunkulu because these two have tarnished the image of indlunkulu, they are distant relatives but bayadelela and are getting away with it
I speak for myself, I believe the Zulu's should be a Sovereign Nation State and Independent from South Africa with their own Justice System, Education, Taxation, Health but should belong to the Common Wealth of South African nations under one Military, so we don't become a threat to each other because at the end of the day we are all spread out over the whole country.
Prince Misuzulu would be a King if King Goodwill Zwelithini, did not do the rite of "ukufaka umntwana esiswini", which he did by taking Prince Simakade, who is older than Prince Misuzulu, and affiliated him to the homestead of Queen Mantombi, which is another way a future King is Identified! So the late King, by doing what he did, means, he was clear with who should follow after him, and without looking at all of those issues and just stick to favoritism, will kill the Zulu Kingdom, which is currently KINGLESS at the moment, and let's allow the family to fight among themselves up until they decide who should be the King, and we should all respect the decision by the Royal Family! No political rush is needed, Ramaphosa must rest!
He was just accepted as one of the family child not to poses everything akayo sebenza lowo khona azoba neyinto zakhe ayeke ukubanga into akude nazo okokuqala nje uzalwa yidikazi ayikho inkosi ezalwa eceleni.
Thee interview is imbalanced without any one from the King MisuZulu camp who's a law guru. Otherwise ; they could just have bought only the Spokespersons only
Was a fan of prince Africa Zulu on undercover princes. So different than I understood him to be. Did he ever marry? Heard on Google he had been deposed or fired by a half brother. Where is he now ?
The issue here is that there's an attempt to suggest that the Royal family is at liberty to identify anyone as the King. The Royal family is bound by custom, in other words should the decision be in contrast with the custom, that decision is reviewable!
Yes equally do the roya family is bound by custom however the law is supreme than custom so decision taken by custom may not be reviewable if its taken or done by properly applying the law
I found it difficult for Adv Mantuli to support the western laws whereby he is claiming to promote Africanism and hate everything done by Ramaphosa as affiliated to ANC... He is biased in terms of him favouring Prince Simakade and they feel like King Misizulu is captured....hence he is supporting prince Thokizani's sentiments.
Prince Simakade's Mother is Married to another Man. She and Simakade's Father ( The Late King Zwelithini were not married) Simakade is the first Child of the late King Zwelithini.
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH,YES,LET 'S GIVE THE ROYAL FAMILY SPACE TO DECIDE AS TO WHO 'S THE ZULU KING BETWEEN PRINCE SIMAKADE & PRINCE MISIZULU,THE YOUNGER SON.TONGUES 'RE WAGING & WON'T FIX ANYTHING.TRULY SPEAKING,THE ZULUS CAN'T 'VE TWO KINGS.FINISH!!!
Mina, I was not surprised by this decision made by court. Actually it was the first time this method was applied. I know this being isiSwati way of doing not KwaZulu.
Sorry'ini Kancane...u King Shaka who formed the Zulu Nation...Were his Parents married? Or He was born out of a Wedlock???...Can someone help me with this info?🤷
We were not there, so no 1 is 100% sure about that, some say they were and others are saying no, but what we are 100% sure about is that king zweli was married to princess mantombi not mama kasmakade.
I thought prince thokozani shall have said that despite the judgement the nation still has the king; 'simakade' thus he is not convinced that simakade is king. I think prince Africa is right. Hey, a king is born and not selected peace!!!
King Charles is the head of state and the British prime minister reports to him when he has won an election and ready to form a cabinet. Where as in SA it’s not like that. Same as Eswatini the King is the head of state.
MisuZulu is in trouble, his uncles, mothers, half siblings don't want him due to his behavior. He forgot that it's the very family who have to sit and put forth a name of the next King, he thought his ascension will be automatic. You reap what you sow, chickens coming home to roost. Ayeye, this should be a lesson to everyone.
King Misuzulu KaZwelithini did not force the Zulu kingdom to pay lobola for his mother..., for him to be born, for him to be a true Royal heir to uplift the Royal Zulu thone. the zulu kingdom did that.
@@9m9ify wena you know this so called birth right more than the actual Royal Family? This birth right theory is the one that made him disrespect every elder in the Royal Family including his late father King Zwelithini Zulu, the birth right made him think it's ok to be a Cocaine addict, also made him think it's ok to impregnate a child of his uncle and impregnate another one who is a child of his aunt. There is a section in the Act in question which speaks to the behavior of the nominee. It will be interesting to see how the Royal Family resolves this matter. Me all I'm saying is be very careful how you behave towards your family that's all, especially when they are empowered by legislation to make decisions like do you sit on the throne or not.
@@lethumngadi2892 according to the relevant Act it's not only about birth right Madlokovu. Maybe according to you and the MisuZulu camp it's only about the so called birth right 😂😂😂 I hope MisuZulu camp keeps up with that argument they will never win a single court case. The law is the law and it's clearly spelled out in black and white that the Royal Family points out the one who will sit on the throne, unfortunately for MissZulu he thought it's his birth right so he obliterated relationships with the Royal Family without thinking that the very same people will have powers to decide who sits on the throne. Very important life lesson, isihlahla asibhoshelwa, this rule applies to every one including those who think they have birth rights to things.
Iyacaca mhlophe ngokwenene lo Barnabas naye une galelo elikhulu uku qhekeza amaZulu kwaye no Thokozani lona and shame abazophumelela Bazixelela abamfuni u MisiZulu ngabo abanengxaki Kodwa u MisiZulu nguye iSilo SamaZulu lento soze i jike MisiSuluKaZwelithini #Bayede nguye iNkosi #King of The Zulu Nation
@@phumzileduduza7352 they need to accept that not everyone is ligible to be king. Mabayeke ukuphikisana nesiko lakubo, yes they might not like the current king but fact is isihlalo esakhe. They need to protect their sibling. Simakade's faction has made it their mission to tarnish Misuzulu's reputation and in doing so behlise isthunzi sendlunkulu as whole because now it seems as the late king had no control over his household
In a clear understanding and the facts known, we should not buy into any opportunistic statements. Customarily, king or chief is born from Great wife, the wives of the king are not equal. A heir may only come from other wives sons provided the great wife couldn't bore the heir. Thus, when first son is born from great wife, on the same day is known and declared the heir is born, from birth is known that there will be no deliberation over his ascending. AS as have said only upon being no heir from great wife, only then council or royal house may sit down to decide who to pick from other wives. If the heir pass on, order of sequence will be his younger brother if any from his mother being great wife before looking in the houses of his father. It so disturbing on what zulu is going, people we are not honest we are busy blaming Cyril over this. Let every tell who is great wife among the wives, that will an ultimate answer. First wife is not great wife, the two differ, everyone in the zulu royal knows that better, we should be here if well refer to that only and leave all the excuses.
After watching how King Shaka was installed...i can tell who is the King of amaZulu now .......Shakas mother was from Royal family and Misuzulu mother from Swazi royal family...then according to traditions...u become a King once ur Mother is from another Royal Family.....so u can talk a lot ...Zimakede doesn't qualify...chech the history on how Zulu Kings were installed on the Throne
Simakade is Zwelithinis first born.Amazulu have nothing to do with Swati kingdom Why is Ramaphosa interfering with Zulu nation Kingdom .This is not politic and he is not even a Zulu.Crazy
Nooo. Kings are not voted into power. Kings are born. The court misdirected itself. They are meddling in royal affairs. This is disrespect of the Zulus at a people.
This debate was no fair, where is his majesty the king Misuzulu kaZwelithini legal representative to give their understanding of the judgement? Obviously lawyers representing umtwana uThokozani will interpret this judgement in favour of their client. But we know our culture and traditions His majesty the king Misuzulu kaZwelithini is the rightful heir to the throne. Our grandfathers told us that cattles were collected from their kraals to pay lobola for the quuen who will give birth to the heir of His Majesty Goodwill kaBhekuzulu. All those who are contesting the throne they know all the benefits that comes with the throne that's what they are after!!
The day u say Prince Simakade mother is from royal family...its the day i will say umntana kaPhindangrne was wrong....this thing of initiation Kings pple are not well versed with it .....
Thokozani is a big joke......His group wants Smakade who was born of wedlock wafakwa esiswini....in another interview was asked "So, does it mean he was adopted by Queen MaNtfombi? Thozani said" no we dont have that term adoption in our zulu culture...I laughed. They took this to western court, so we can safely say ukufakwa esiswini is to adopt a child. Smakade was adopted by Queen MaNtfombi. How can he be a king?
@@njabulongidi-lt3iw......akekho owaziyo kahle kahle ukuthi waba kanjani inkosi. Okukhulunywayo ukuthi waba inkosi..the events leading to that no one has made that clear. So it's wise ukuthi sekushiwo noyini to support the idea of Smakade. A wise person will look deeper and ask questions, how or what events lead Solomon to be a king. This generation was not there, umlando uxoxwayo nawo akekho othi this is what happens for him ukuze Abe inkosi. I wish South Africans especially amaZulu to wisen up. If Thokozani is selling that story of Solomon ask your ask deep questions. They are desperate so they will tell any story.
Please start with the late iSilo cz he was also filiated to another queen of King Bhukuzulu? If Simakade is not a King it means all King Zwelithini children can't be heirs including Misuzulu.
They say it's because uzalwa nguma was eSwatini , bona they want ozalwa ngumZulu . They even called isigodlo sakwaKhangela " ESWAZINI" THEY ARE JUST TRIBALISTIC NJEEE , because all those Kids from KWAKHANGELAMANKENGANE are all King Zwelithini's children, they are not Swazis as they call them .
Ramaphosa aa a scoundrel cut corners by setting up Mediation Committee instead of legislative Investigative Committee and that brought about procedural unfairness which renders everything unlawful. South Africa is a constitutional democracy and there's no way Misuzulu should get perks as he is an ordinary Prince. At the moment there is no Zulu King and he is not even a Regent but he is nothing.
I beg your pardon Mr. Judge! The process number 1 was to get the "Mother " of the ZuLU Nation by the Zulu Nation itself Number 2 to give birth to THE "son" by the mother of the Nation. The judge mustn't misdefine the process. Certification just confirms the processes mentioned above. THANKS! CONGRATULATIONS ZULU NATION! PROTOCOL OBSERVED!
Kings Are born and that is absolute from the ancestry generations of the Zulu Kingdom.
My opinion is: If Kingship depends on the recognition of that Kingship by anyone other than the subjects of that King, then by definition that king can not be a King because the King then becomes a subject of the person that must recognize him. Ramaphosa and the ANC is playing with fire here. This very principle is playing out in Australia now, where the Australian people thought they were a sovereign nation for the last 40 years, and it now turns out that they have been hoodwinked, and are under the control of the British King today. South Afrika under apartheid freed all South Africans from the colonial oppressive British King on 31 May 1961, It is the reason for the hatred of what they and the ANC called "apartheid" even when ALL black people were given independence by the then Nationalist Government. The Zulu tribe would have been and was free to be ruled by there own chosen King. That is why British colonial puppet Ramaphosa MUST make it clear to the Zulu Nation that who-ever is the Zulu King, is only king because he ( and his British Colonial paymasters ) say so, and that is the exact same fight developing in Australia now today.. the British colonialists,. Ramaphosa and the ANC have absolutely nothing to do with the Zulu Royal House and the Nationalist government always respected that.! We all expect the Zulu nation to stand their ground. the ownership of their land literally depends on it.
You are right. The issue is that all traditional leaders in South Africa are recognized under an act of traditional leaders. So lawmakers made it that way. You can be a King of your people - but if you are not recognized by the Government you will not get financial support.
Btw I support the current King - King Misuzulu. Bayede!!!!
@@victormkhaliphi2778our support is behind the Kingdom of the Zulu Nation not the King at all times...We should fight for this Kingdom to remain strong...It does not matter, who is the King... Kings come and go...the Kingdom remains... what's wrong with you Zulu
@rudolf thank you , ...your insights and wisdom are a breath of fresh air...What makes a Zulu Nation strong is our sense of identity. Identity is knowing who you are... this will determine how other people treat and respect you. Kingdoms are the true government in this country. Leaders are never elected in Africa they are born. Kings are not "traditional leaders" they are fathers of nations. Kings give nations power to own and inherit land and other means of production. Kings should not be dependent on the state stipend, they are not children of the State or President... This ANC democracy continues to give us "leaders" who come and go every 5 years, their focus is self preservation through individual acquisition of state assets and money. As for the people of this country, they have lost their identity, they don't know who they are...they don't respect themselves, hence they continue to support this weak democratic system...
Hope that everyone has heard and understand! It's it!
This is about the control of Ingonyama Trust, control of mineral rights & other resources under the tribal lands.
Long livè KING Misuzulu . Amen from Jerusalem. Dr Chana Valrrie Butler.
In Africa Kingdoms and their Kings never die, ...they are immortal..the "long live" slogan is irrelevant to us..
Inina nodwa eningenayo iNkosi thina eyethu ikhona esihlalweni Nguyena uNdabezitha Misuzulu kaZwelithini aksoze kwashintsha lokho.🎉
ISILO SANGEMPELA USMAKADE SAMAKHOSI HAYI NGEKE SIBUSWE ISDAKWA THINA
Kings are born and that should inform the succession process.
This panel is uneven, Xulu was supposed to have been matched by a lawyer from King Misuzulu's side
The Kingdom of the Zulu nation exists outside of the President's recognition, this Kingdom was there before this European democracy, and it will remain after..Vulani amehlo Zulu....izitha ziyasihleka...!!
It should therefore not accept money from the state
@@musandasikhwivhiluthe state must then give back 100% of Zulu land and not receive any tax from people in that land.
@@musandasikhwivhilu the state must return the land , the harbour, the airports, all the primary and secondary means of production to the Zulu Nation
ISILO SIPHETHWE. UHULUMENI SOLOKU KWATHI NHLO SIHOLELWA UHULUMENI YIWONA MBANGO LINA NGOBA USMAKADE SAMAKHOSI OYINKOSANA. YASENDLUNKULU EGCEKENI. UMISUZULU ASIMAZI THINA NGISHO UMDLOKOMBANE WAYEFUNA KUBUSE. USMAKADE SAMAKHOSI. YIKO WANIKA INTAMBO ZOMBUSO KUMTANENKISI.
I support the current king but he also needs to respect the position akuyo now.
And he really doesn't.
but do you understand what is going on?
SMAKADE SAMAKHOSI IS THE CHOSEN KING. ONLY THE ROYAL FAMILY MUST CHOSE THE KING
King MisuZulu all the way🙏🙏🙏
Prince Misuzulu would be a King if King Goodwill Zwelithini, did not do the rite of "ukufaka umntwana esiswini", which he did by taking Prince Simakade, who is older than Prince Misuzulu, and affiliated him to the homestead of Queen Mantombi, which is another way a future King is Identified! So the late King, by doing what he did, means, he was clear with who should follow after him, and without looking at all of those issues and just stick to favoritism, will kill the Zulu Kingdom, which is currently KINGLESS at the moment, and let's allow the family to fight among themselves up until they decide who should be the King, and we should all respect the decision by the Royal Family! No political rush is needed, Ramaphosa must rest!
@@picassocube3521 profound
Ukumfaka esiswini nakho kumenza aba yi last born. Kumcokwa nokusazi isintu bafo nizohlekwa langaphandle…nina baka Smakade kuhle nje lokhu enikwenzayo ngoba kukhand’ iybongo zika Bayede uKing MisuZulu🤣🤣.
ESwatini nenzanjalo?
@@bonginkosimalangenidlamini4355 okokuqala nje, esizulwini alikho igama elithi "kumcokwa", kukhona elithi "kumqoka", you're correct it is important to know isiZulu.
Obheke umlando wamakhosi akwaZulu, bese ungitshele ukuthi lamakhosi angena ngosiko lokufakwa esiswini ayefika abe ama last born yini. okokugcina kusho ukuthi wena ubona ubulima ku King Zwelithini, ekutheni angathatha ingane enonina ayoyikhulisa nomunye umama, kodwa ebe ekhona unina ephila. Madoda musani ukuhluleka ukusebenzisa imiqondo and be factional in everything, soze wahlakanipha uma ucabanga ngxanye, ukuhlakanipha kwenziwa wukubuka izinto macala wonke, ngeke ngibe nenkinga if uMisuzulu eba yiSilo, okokuqala angimazi,njengoba noPrince Simakade ngingamazi, ngibaze manje, ngoba sekukhotheme uyise, so ayikho into engangenza ngithande omunye kunomunye. Kodwa owami umqondo uthi angibheke ama facts, objectively, then my sober conclusion says, King Goodwill knew what he was doing, wena ubusy uphikisana nesinqumo asithatha azi.
A King is Born, you can’t just replace William with Harry just because you don’t like William….😢
In royal institutions the line of succession often results in death for the challenger or reigning brother. Liked Africa Zulu and he was devoted to his nation. Undercover princes showed him to be a man of intelligence education and devotion to his nation. Hope he can find his place in his kingdom
no court can put the king on the throne
Thokozani is well prepared & his expression 👌
Unlike European laws of succession, in SA the successor to the king(heir) is not born but handpicked by the King. King Zwelethini handpicked Prince Simakade, his first born to be his heir. Marital status of parents at the time the firstborn was born is not a criteria only bloodline, as long as the firstborn is from the seed or loins of the king he or she becomes the heir. Unlike in European royal lines of succession where marital status at birth of the firstborn is a decider. Where the child is born out of wedlock, but the King recognizes the child and bring the child into the first wife's kraal, the child is legitimised as heir. If the child is also the firstborn of the king, that child becomes the eventual king. Simakade is the firstborn, his father the late King Zwelethini legitimised him as his heir apparent. This situation with Prince Misuzulu(the younger brother to Misuzulu) is just to cause confusion and instability. He himself knows he is not the rightful heir hence he always looks depressed. Let Zulu culture prevails and let civil courts stay out of it.
Don't ever ever trust Ramaphosa in you he is a smooth voice to bribe anyone in the world wheres he he knows where to heart
King Misuzulu, point of correction
King Simakade
Author of ' The People The Power & The Purpose of The Zulu King ' + Medical consultant to His Majesty The late King Goodwill ZWELATINI appointed recognized King of the Zulu Nation. VB(c)
King MISUZULU KAZWELITHINI is the rightful HEIR OF THE ZULU NATION AND THRONE
The drunkard 😂
Thank you,Abantwana explained everything.
Lento iyaxaka babukeka bengazwani bodwa endlunkulu u Prince Thokozani uzenowakhe , uPrince Mbonisi weza nowakhe kanti kahle kahle bangaki abantu ukufanele babe sesihlalweni noma ihlosa ukuxabanisa amazinyane eSilo alikho iqiniso la balwa izimpi zabo ngamazinyane. Konke lokhu bakweze iSilo sesihlezi esihlalweni futhi bayalazi oPrince iqiniso ukuthi isona isilo esihlezi
Indlala 😂😂
Akulula vele bazwane cos bawumndeni omkhulu
Thats true,abantu abangaqeda lomsindo are tge late kings wives
Bayede wena wendlovu! Here Eswatini we know Misuzulu as king.
The Zulu Kingdom will emerge victoriously from this as well, just stronger than before. Anyone that hopes this will collapse the only remaining Black kingdom in SA will be sadly disappointed.
What does Londiwe and Thokozani have against indlunkulu because these two have tarnished the image of indlunkulu, they are distant relatives but bayadelela and are getting away with it
I speak for myself, I believe the Zulu's should be a Sovereign Nation State and Independent from South Africa with their own Justice System, Education, Taxation, Health but should belong to the Common Wealth of South African nations under one Military, so we don't become a threat to each other because at the end of the day we are all spread out over the whole country.
Sifuna lokho vele baba I here lapho nje lento.UZULU UZOZIMELA EZWENI LAKHE.
Why common wealth. This country without the Zulus is weak and defenceless against foreign forces
Prince Misuzulu would be a King if King Goodwill Zwelithini, did not do the rite of "ukufaka umntwana esiswini", which he did by taking Prince Simakade, who is older than Prince Misuzulu, and affiliated him to the homestead of Queen Mantombi, which is another way a future King is Identified! So the late King, by doing what he did, means, he was clear with who should follow after him, and without looking at all of those issues and just stick to favoritism, will kill the Zulu Kingdom, which is currently KINGLESS at the moment, and let's allow the family to fight among themselves up until they decide who should be the King, and we should all respect the decision by the Royal Family! No political rush is needed, Ramaphosa must rest!
He was just accepted as one of the family child not to poses everything akayo sebenza lowo khona azoba neyinto zakhe ayeke ukubanga into akude nazo okokuqala nje uzalwa yidikazi ayikho inkosi ezalwa eceleni.
You are kingless, don't count us there.
Thee interview is imbalanced without any one from the King MisuZulu camp who's a law guru. Otherwise ; they could just have bought only the Spokespersons only
Was a fan of prince Africa Zulu on undercover princes. So different than I understood him to be. Did he ever marry? Heard on Google he had been deposed or fired by a half brother. Where is he now ?
Is Princes Mbonisi and Thokazani members of the core Zulu Royal family? Who are their mothers?
Dear SABC. Manje why are the chairs pealing skin? Niyaasihlaza maan.
Kings with no kingdom fighting over a throne that was conqured long ago. What a joke
Yini eAfrica ubukhosi sesizwe bukhulume isilungu or isifretshi hayi ulwimi lwabo? MisuZulu nguye inkosi yesiZwe samaZulu
That's why I like podcasts .look here we have no time
Bayede king misuzulu ❤
Unite Zulu nation for your king Misuzulu, let alone those power hungry. This is politic at its best.
The issue here is that there's an attempt to suggest that the Royal family is at liberty to identify anyone as the King. The Royal family is bound by custom, in other words should the decision be in contrast with the custom, that decision is reviewable!
Yes equally do the roya family is bound by custom however the law is supreme than custom so decision taken by custom may not be reviewable if its taken or done by properly applying the law
I found it difficult for Adv Mantuli to support the western laws whereby he is claiming to promote Africanism and hate everything done by Ramaphosa as affiliated to ANC...
He is biased in terms of him favouring Prince Simakade and they feel like King Misizulu is captured....hence he is supporting prince Thokizani's sentiments.
Aze azo adopt-wa wayaphi unina cz I don't know, I been checking on Google but doesn't show. Someone help. Omalume bakhe abamlande bo haaa!
Prince Simakade's Mother is Married to another Man. She and Simakade's Father ( The Late King Zwelithini were not married) Simakade is the first Child of the late King Zwelithini.
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH,YES,LET 'S GIVE THE ROYAL FAMILY SPACE TO DECIDE AS TO WHO 'S THE ZULU KING BETWEEN PRINCE SIMAKADE & PRINCE MISIZULU,THE YOUNGER SON.TONGUES 'RE WAGING & WON'T FIX ANYTHING.TRULY SPEAKING,THE ZULUS CAN'T 'VE TWO KINGS.FINISH!!!
Mina, I was not surprised by this decision made by court. Actually it was the first time this method was applied. I know this being isiSwati way of doing not KwaZulu.
They waiting their time, asijiki Misuzulu is the King, asixokizi la
The judge is the one that cause a chaos to our Zulu monarchy
Sorry'ini Kancane...u King Shaka who formed the Zulu Nation...Were his Parents married? Or He was born out of a Wedlock???...Can someone help me with this info?🤷
We were not there, so no 1 is 100% sure about that, some say they were and others are saying no, but what we are 100% sure about is that king zweli was married to princess mantombi not mama kasmakade.
@@hlengiwembambo3572 Ooh! Thank you MaGeza...🙏
Thokozani whose father is Penuel Msweli now calls himself a Zulu prince
:["Accurate analysis-truth."]
I thought prince thokozani shall have said that despite the judgement the nation still has the king; 'simakade' thus he is not convinced that simakade is king. I think prince Africa is right. Hey, a king is born and not selected peace!!!
Why do people refer to our Royal leaders as traditional not just Royal leaders? Can anyone say traditional leader King Charles?
King Charles is the head of state and the British prime minister reports to him when he has won an election and ready to form a cabinet. Where as in SA it’s not like that. Same as Eswatini the King is the head of state.
Bayede king Misuzulu always
Prince Africa says he's shocked Prince Mbonisi knows where courts are 😀
There is one king
True that ...i cant argue with him sdalo
HE ( ONGANGEZWE LAKHE) will remain a ZULU KING until HIS uncestors called HIM.
Yini labantu bakhulume isilungu bebe bedingida udaba lwasendlunkulu?
Shame on us...
Because there were hosted by SABC English news channel
MisuZulu is in trouble, his uncles, mothers, half siblings don't want him due to his behavior. He forgot that it's the very family who have to sit and put forth a name of the next King, he thought his ascension will be automatic. You reap what you sow, chickens coming home to roost. Ayeye, this should be a lesson to everyone.
Kingship is not about merit it's his birthright
Camera detailing moves 🤭
King Misuzulu KaZwelithini did not force the Zulu kingdom to pay lobola for his mother..., for him to be born, for him to be a true Royal heir to uplift the Royal Zulu thone. the zulu kingdom did that.
@@9m9ify wena you know this so called birth right more than the actual Royal Family? This birth right theory is the one that made him disrespect every elder in the Royal Family including his late father King Zwelithini Zulu, the birth right made him think it's ok to be a Cocaine addict, also made him think it's ok to impregnate a child of his uncle and impregnate another one who is a child of his aunt. There is a section in the Act in question which speaks to the behavior of the nominee. It will be interesting to see how the Royal Family resolves this matter. Me all I'm saying is be very careful how you behave towards your family that's all, especially when they are empowered by legislation to make decisions like do you sit on the throne or not.
@@lethumngadi2892 according to the relevant Act it's not only about birth right Madlokovu. Maybe according to you and the MisuZulu camp it's only about the so called birth right 😂😂😂 I hope MisuZulu camp keeps up with that argument they will never win a single court case. The law is the law and it's clearly spelled out in black and white that the Royal Family points out the one who will sit on the throne, unfortunately for MissZulu he thought it's his birth right so he obliterated relationships with the Royal Family without thinking that the very same people will have powers to decide who sits on the throne. Very important life lesson, isihlahla asibhoshelwa, this rule applies to every one including those who think they have birth rights to things.
Niyoze nithi Bhuti 😊😊😊
People this is not a monarch. This is only a king if a ethnic TRIBE. Not a country
Iyacaca mhlophe ngokwenene lo Barnabas naye une galelo elikhulu uku qhekeza amaZulu kwaye no Thokozani lona and shame abazophumelela
Bazixelela abamfuni u MisiZulu ngabo abanengxaki
Kodwa u MisiZulu nguye iSilo SamaZulu lento soze i jike MisiSuluKaZwelithini #Bayede nguye iNkosi #King of The Zulu Nation
Where is the voice notes of andile😢
Amazinyane wesilo awasukume and fight for their father's legacy
How ?
@@phumzileduduza7352 they need to accept that not everyone is ligible to be king. Mabayeke ukuphikisana nesiko lakubo, yes they might not like the current king but fact is isihlalo esakhe. They need to protect their sibling. Simakade's faction has made it their mission to tarnish Misuzulu's reputation and in doing so behlise isthunzi sendlunkulu as whole because now it seems as the late king had no control over his household
Prince Afrika is lost and rather naive. He keeps referring to a democracy while the issue is a traditional issue.
This guy studers his lies so much 😂😂
Who put a king on the throne is president or royal family ?
The Royal Family Chooses The King.The President Issues the Certificate of Recognition.
Isiyabekwa futhi ayizalwa?
In a clear understanding and the facts known, we should not buy into any opportunistic statements. Customarily, king or chief is born from Great wife, the wives of the king are not equal. A heir may only come from other wives sons provided the great wife couldn't bore the heir. Thus, when first son is born from great wife, on the same day is known and declared the heir is born, from birth is known that there will be no deliberation over his ascending. AS as have said only upon being no heir from great wife, only then council or royal house may sit down to decide who to pick from other wives. If the heir pass on, order of sequence will be his younger brother if any from his mother being great wife before looking in the houses of his father. It so disturbing on what zulu is going, people we are not honest we are busy blaming Cyril over this. Let every tell who is great wife among the wives, that will an ultimate answer. First wife is not great wife, the two differ, everyone in the zulu royal knows that better, we should be here if well refer to that only and leave all the excuses.
Waaaa Prince Africa bandla he's just blowing a hot air
Not at all. If you listen carefully, he sends our focus to fundamental principles not loopholes and western technicalities.
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I need Prince Thokozani's number...bathong😢
Well done Bantwana BaseNdlunkulu
It wont last another 20 years😂😂😂😂❤
After watching how King Shaka was installed...i can tell who is the King of amaZulu now .......Shakas mother was from Royal family and Misuzulu mother from Swazi royal family...then according to traditions...u become a King once ur Mother is from another Royal Family.....so u can talk a lot ...Zimakede doesn't qualify...chech the history on how Zulu Kings were installed on the Throne
Yazi as abantu abamnyama we degrade our own cultures by doing such things because a King is born from the Great wife nothing more nothing less
What is err err err and why all these guys coming on TV speak a err errr err... it's distracting and annoying... for speaking classes! 😂😂😂
Simakade is Zwelithinis first born.Amazulu have nothing to do with Swati kingdom
Why is Ramaphosa interfering with Zulu nation Kingdom .This is not politic and he is not even a Zulu.Crazy
Yeyeni we bantu nasensomini khange ndayiva into enje???¿?????
Maybe the Zulu people should vote who should be their king, why would the family fight over who should lead zulus but zulus have no say in it
Nooo. Kings are not voted into power. Kings are born. The court misdirected itself. They are meddling in royal affairs. This is disrespect of the Zulus at a people.
Prince Tokozane representing Prince Simakade KaZwelithini advises that King Simakade KaZwelithini is vindicated...kanjani?
Check court papers and compare them with a judgment, im sure u will get the answer
This debate was no fair, where is his majesty the king Misuzulu kaZwelithini legal representative to give their understanding of the judgement?
Obviously lawyers representing umtwana uThokozani will interpret this judgement in favour of their client.
But we know our culture and traditions His majesty the king Misuzulu kaZwelithini is the rightful heir to the throne.
Our grandfathers told us that cattles were collected from their kraals to pay lobola for the quuen who will give birth to the heir of His Majesty Goodwill kaBhekuzulu.
All those who are contesting the throne they know all the benefits that comes with the throne that's what they are after!!
Mr Thokozani Zulu
Kunzima,kazi iyozala nkomoni?
Uyahlanya loMantula uyaziphikisa ixoki leli alazi lutho ngeCustomary Law VCGUMEDE.
lelikhehla lasemandeni eliwiuthokozani nalo eliwumlanjwana kushukuthi bakhohlisana ngokuhlukaniselana imali yethu bakhokhi bentela indaba isemalini
This host needs a smaller chair thou
Simakade wants to take Shaka's route unfortunately now the world is civilized thuggery is nolonger acceptable
Awukwazi ukuthi ube inkosi ungakhethwanga ngendlela efanele. Ngiyakholwa ukuthi kwayena umntwana kaPhondagene ubesezisola ukuthi wamkhethelani akafanelanga bo ukuba inkosi kumanje usethe ntshi kwezama TENDER nalaba abaseduze kwakhe bafuna wona
Inkosi entsha yesizwe sakwaButhekezi ithi Yona uyise akakaze ajike ukuthi ubani isilo. So asingadideki ngokuzwa amahem hem
Impela noMntwana uPhumzile waze washo ukuthi uButhelezi uhambe emhlabeni ekhathazekile ngendlela isilo esenza ngayo izinto
The day u say Prince Simakade mother is from royal family...its the day i will say umntana kaPhindangrne was wrong....this thing of initiation Kings pple are not well versed with it .....
@@thabaninyawo-hv5geit's not about character or behaviour or anything, but birthright.
All King Zwelithini' offsprings are Royals and eligeable to be Kings
According to what, your opinion?
@@GeniusLilaGood question. According to what because we don't live by opinions sihamba ngesintu
People need to understand processes of isintu and traditions.
If uSimakade wafakwa esiswini doesn't that make him eligible? With this process is helping us to get to know some things that are usually hidden.
Wena wazini ngesiko lesiZulu? ngoba phela ngeke wonke amadoda abe amakhosana iba yodwa. Awuhambe uyobuza kwabadala ngoba engathi awunalo ulwazi
Thokozani is a big joke......His group wants Smakade who was born of wedlock wafakwa esiswini....in another interview was asked "So, does it mean he was adopted by Queen MaNtfombi? Thozani said" no we dont have that term adoption in our zulu culture...I laughed. They took this to western court, so we can safely say ukufakwa esiswini is to adopt a child. Smakade was adopted by Queen MaNtfombi. How can he be a king?
Big joke😂
UMdllojombone konje wayeshadile umama wakhe noSolomon?
@@njabulongidi-lt3iw......akekho owaziyo kahle kahle ukuthi waba kanjani inkosi. Okukhulunywayo ukuthi waba inkosi..the events leading to that no one has made that clear. So it's wise ukuthi sekushiwo noyini to support the idea of Smakade. A wise person will look deeper and ask questions, how or what events lead Solomon to be a king. This generation was not there, umlando uxoxwayo nawo akekho othi this is what happens for him ukuze Abe inkosi. I wish South Africans especially amaZulu to wisen up. If Thokozani is selling that story of Solomon ask your ask deep questions. They are desperate so they will tell any story.
@@Amathandos noo mina ngibuza ukuthi wayeshadelwe yini uSolomon umama kaGoodwill?
@@njabulongidi-lt3iw Yes but they separated. In our African culture there is no divorce.
Way to much drama 😂
What happened to the so called Simakade' mother, where is she to come and take her son out from Mantombi's household.
Please start with the late iSilo cz he was also filiated to another queen of King Bhukuzulu? If Simakade is not a King it means all King Zwelithini children can't be heirs including Misuzulu.
Xulu is conflicted people must not take him seriously
Mina ngithi isilo yiso lesi esisesihlalweni kodwa umntwana uSimakade ngiyamhlonipha ukuhlakanipha kwakhe kusho lukhulu kimi,uyamangalisa uyinkosi ngikwakhe nje futhi ulumkile.
Zahara
Smakade is not the King.
Abantu ave bethanda ukubanga umsindo ngezinto ezisobala.Labantu bayalazi isiko lamaZulu esimweni esinje ukuthi livuna iSilo uMisuzulu kodwa bayaqhubela nomsindo ongathi shu ngoba befuna ukufezekisa izinhloso zabo
Wayengu Mntwana kusabusa isilo uZwelithini. Wabe eseba yiSilo emva kokukhothama kwaso. Ngakhoke singaphambanisi. Akufani.
This is all about taking over the the ingomyama trust. They ANC of Ramaphosa wants us to pay Tax eMhlabeni wamakhosi
Kukhona okungalunganga esingakwazi .kutheni bengamfuni kangaka abantu bakubo.
They say it's because uzalwa nguma was eSwatini , bona they want ozalwa ngumZulu .
They even called isigodlo sakwaKhangela " ESWAZINI"
THEY ARE JUST TRIBALISTIC NJEEE , because all those Kids from KWAKHANGELAMANKENGANE are all King Zwelithini's children, they are not Swazis as they call them .
Biased interview both sets of lawyers should have been invited
Ramaphosa aa a scoundrel cut corners by setting up Mediation Committee instead of legislative Investigative Committee and that brought about procedural unfairness which renders everything unlawful. South Africa is a constitutional democracy and there's no way Misuzulu should get perks as he is an ordinary Prince. At the moment there is no Zulu King and he is not even a Regent but he is nothing.
Well said
You’re just hallucinating out loud my guy. Truth is truth and will win😂😂
Judge Madondo's oboter dictum was his own view not binding and was not his jurisdiction to decide or air his own persomal views
The usage of state resources by MiSizulu after the court judgment will constitute a big audit qeurry.
Namanje akakahlali pansi lomqthuka noze nity buti kwiSilo nina
uThokozani akazazi cz naye wayezi bhekile... Shame on. You TZ.
Waze waynkinga umuntu owafika nemali,ihlukanisa abantu nemindeni
Lobengula was better than this nonsense what is happening in Zimbabwe is a shem and check who are doing All this
Former king 😂😂 banana republic impela le sesino fomer presidents and former kings masimba mani lawa, lafa elihle kakhulu lafa ngathi 😢.
The former King is who between of them 😂
I beg your pardon Mr. Judge! The process number 1 was to get the "Mother " of the ZuLU Nation by the Zulu Nation itself
Number 2 to give birth to THE "son" by the mother of the Nation.
The judge mustn't misdefine the process.
Certification just confirms the processes mentioned above. THANKS!
CONGRATULATIONS ZULU NATION! PROTOCOL OBSERVED!
IZwe liyaphenduka 🐘🐘🐘🐅🦏💪