I would defo recommend looking into the relationship between Morrissey and Billy McKenzie (singer of Assosiates). Billy claimed that he dated Morrissey, and was upset that he wouldn't acknowledge their relationship. Morrissey wrote "William, It Was Really Nothing" for Billy, who upon hearing the song, fled Morrissey's house, stealing his favourite shirt and book. Billy wrote a song in retaliation called "Stephen, You're Really Something" and recorded it with The Associates. The song's lyrics are very blunt and give a very clear idea as to their relationship. Billy also befriended Siouxsie Sioux and Robert Smith, and never spoke to Morrissey again. In 1997, Billy met Robert Smith again, backstage at a Cure concert. Robert was thrilled to see him and Billy invited him for a drink. Robert was busy, and offered to meet Billy the next week. A few days later, Billy was found dead in his back garden. Smith wrote "Cut Here" for Billy, and Siouxsie also wrote a song in tribute, and recorded it with The Creatures. Billy had 3 of the biggest new wave bands write songs for him, but he's mostly forgotten nowadays.
Where did you get all your info from? I tried researching this topic like you suggested, but a lot of things are saying their relationship was fabricated by the press, or just refer to them as “friends.” Also, in Billy’s song title he misspells Morrissey’s name, which is spelled “Steven.”
@@danse-move it's also something I have heard but I couldn't tell you where from. Maybe I read it in the NME or Melody Maker but more likely it was something floating around the music forums in the early internet. Perhaps someone told me about in an Indie club night in London circa 2004...
Marr dated and subsequently married his childhood sweetheart, Ange. Obviously Morrissey is either gay or bisexual. This is not a revelation. I was a Smiths fan in the 80s and saw them live. Morrissey being gay or bisexual was literally no big deal. Young men and young women adored him.
i literally did your same “investigations” and i agree with in everything, the conclusion is so accurate, so yeah here are my thoughts: about the first part about hand in glove, also the song “pretty girls make graves” ends with these words: “i lost my faith in womanhood, i lost my faith on womanhood.. .. hand in glove, the sun shines above ours behind” I NEVER NOTICED THIS BEFORE READING THE LYRICS OF THE SONG oh and 4:07 : yes he’s been married since that year, the one in which “i know its over” got recorded, and since i found out this song is SOOO MUCH SADDER GOD POOR MOZ (also i think that most of smiths lyrics were a message for johnny lol) tho 5:20 : i don’t think this one is about marr for a simple reason: when the band broke up, marr and morrissey already hadn't spoken to each other for 4 months, so it seems impossible to me that marr was at his house. Who knows anyways. 6:30 : i’ve watched and loved those videos so much lmaoo, however in the end, what does it matter whether they were dating or not? The Smiths are probably my favorite band of all time, they made music that will never die, and that's what matters, at least to me
Yes, it really doesn’t matter if they were dating, it’s just fun to look at it ahah. Also, i totally show have talked about pretty girls make graves and I know it’s over, the both would have totally worked. Anyway, thanks for watching the video! And about suede-head, even though it was after they broke up, i think it still could be about him cause the song has lyrics like “why do you come around”, so morrissey is in-visioning a world where marr is basically obsessed with him ahaha.
surprised you didn't mention the song "angel angel down we go together", which morrissey openly admitted was written about johnny (the lyrics on that one are crazy, especially at the very end)
@@luckystarfan77that’s why women my age find it perplexing that you all get bent out of shape about gender identity. We were too busy being into music and thrift shop clothing finds to hate each other. We just hated Thatcher. Some people were gay. Some people were bi. No one cared.
I believe johnny loved morrissey in a deep friendship brotherly way, not a sexual way johnny is not gay. However morrissey did love johnny in a sexual attraction way as well as a deep frienship colaberative way. That love friendship and tension created some of the grwatest music of all time ....
He was gay? Gary Cooper??? Anyways, I like The Smiths and I agree with what Morrissey said on Womanhood about "Pretty Girls Make Graves". Although I d go to the extent to say all humans are and can become snakes, despite their sex
i think they were gay for eachother but we’re too scared to date eachother. in interviews they always sit super close to eachother and look at eachother and kinda tune out the rest of the band, in photoshoots they always hug and are all up on eachother, and in live performances they always look at eachother and dance together. they so obviously loved eachother. i think they confessed to eachoyher or slept together and johnny left the band because he didn’t want to be outcast for dating morrissey so johnny leaving the band is how morrissey started his villain arc 💀
Did they date: NO Johnny is straight and his love is his wife Angie. Moz is very obviously gay or bi-with-a-male-preference. Was he in love with him, idk, he certainly seemed very possessive of him. Johnny seems to be one of the very few people moz recognises as his equal.
I dont think they dated but i think they went together to bed once or some times… but Johnny has always been hetero, i dont think it was only Mozz falling in love with an hetero but i think something happened between them cause Mozz feeling through the years how he wants yo inow nothing about Johnny how bitter and hurt he was i dont think he would feel that way if nothing happened between them idk i have that feeling
The answer to your posts' question is NO. Johnny Marr got married to his high school sweetheart Angie (STILL married to her to this day) in 1985 in San Francisco during their Meat is Murder tour. Morrissey is gay, but he's just never found it important to clarify nor should he...because it's NOT important. "Hand In Glove" is NOT a song about Morrissey and Marr...its a GENERAL song about...anyone fitting that description--NOT specifically Morrissey and Marr. If you want to read Morrissey lyrics that DIRECTLY relate to his relationship with Marr, read the lyrics to "I Won't Share You."
@@luckystarfan77 yeah and also johnny himself said that he has always felt, that "hand in glove" is about him and morrissey, at least because they "were the only people hanging out with each other at the time" (c)
even though i agree with your interpretations, an important thing to learn is that a lot of phrases in hand in glove and i won't share you are some less obvious references. "hidden by rags" may be a reference to how the two of them would be judged and looked down upon (this may be a stretch tbh, he could just be talking about his fashion sense) if they showed any sign of homosexuality, but morrissey doesn't care as only they matter. "the sun shines out of their behind" would be used to say that you did not see a flaw in them, morrissey using it plural probably shows that he views their relationship as perfect and does not understand why they can't be together. with i won't share you, the main one is "has the perrier gone straight to my head", there was a small stereotype in the 80s that homosexual men drank perrier water. she's asking if morrissey is homosexual due to the note (whatever it said). what i wouldn't do to experience it first hand in the 80s, i was born too late unfortunely. it's a bummer, the tea must've been piping hot.
This looking too deeply into their relationship is creepy & wrong. Marr has stated he’s not gay, he’s been in a relationship with his wife since he was 15 years old & has two children. He stated he’s always been loyal to her. This fantasising over a gay relationship between them is wrong. Johnny isn’t a homo.
thank you for addressing a question that i've been asking for for like 10 years now. now i have a new question: who was the top and who was the bottom 😳🥴
Nah those clips show nothing they were super close of course they look each other of course theyre physically close to eo i think Johnny has always been hetero or at least curious “it was a good laid good laid”
A few things, I am a HUGE fan of Morrissey and The Smiths so I wanted to say a few things to you but very respectfully. First, it's "how "near" you stand to me"... Anyway, you are wayyyyyyyy off about everything. I get it, you are very young and passionate and that is awesome, NEVER change that but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you post videos like this that are nothing more than pure fantasy and almost everything you said in this video is not based on any kind of reality. Johnny Marr did not have a romantic or sexual relationship at all with Morrissey. Morrissey is not gay, he is asexual and there is a HUGE difference. Morrissey always made it clear that his sexuality was a private matter and he would prefer that people concentrate more on his music than who he chooses to love or sleep with. It's cool that you make these videos for great classic alternative music but you need to make it VERY clear that this is just YOUR extremely wrong and misguided opinion, that is not based on any actual true fact. Honestly, it was so hard to watch this video because it is so incredibly offensive how very wrong you are about everything. I'm really disappointed because you REALLY did your homework with your awesome Strawberry Switchblade video but this video is just embarrassing, because there is not even an ounce of truth to any of your claims. Just because you "think" or you "want" something to be true, doesn't make it so. I strongly suggest that if you are going to do any more videos like this, that you do some actual research like you did with Strawberry Switchblade and not just make a bunch of stuff up just to "be silly". If you are going to make videos like this, maybe start off your video with a disclaimer that this is just YOUR own personal opinion and not any actual facts that can be proven or substantiated. Like I said with your Strawberry Switchblade video, I was very impressed, because of your true journalistic integrity of researching and reporting the facts and then adding your 2 cents in. This video was sadly the polar opposite. It was just pure speculation and observation based on your own personal opinion and was not very respectful to Morrissey, The Smiths, Johnny Marr or their fans.
first of all, learn what a paragraph break is. a huge fan of morrissey, huh? if you were, you’d know that morrissey hasn’t been asexual/celibate for a long, long time: he’s a self-proclaimed “humasexual,” so basically bi. in his autobiography, he talks about his relationships over the years-some of them of the homosexual kind. strange how you decided to correct the guy on the lyrics, when it was pasted right on the screen anyway. young shouldn’t be a point of argument-it really isn’t nor does it mean much if people didn’t speculate, when would anyone ever begin to question? the poster literally has “silly video” in the description, so i don’t see why you believe that this video was meant to be taken seriously at all. i find it funny that you say, “this video is not based on any kind of reality,” but then you whole-heartedly declare that marr was never in relations with morrissey. what are you basing this on-remarks by the two? people lie, remember? don’t act as if the poster is the sole person to ever think this way-to ever analyze the lyrics and attempt to put the puzzle together. people have been asking this question for years, and morrissey has never been afraid to play into it, dropping hints throughout songs during and post-smiths. they are both very much aware of the rumors, the question raised in interviews multiple times. it isn’t only HIS personal opinion: so, so, so many other people think that they were more than friends once-this isn’t anything new. really, just go on morrissey-solo and enter a few choice works into the search bar, it isn’t hard i’d assume that most people would be able to differentiate fact from opinion, but in the case that a human unable to actually exists, i’d have to agree that a disclaimer is necessary, which the poster DOES include at the end. anyway, what was so upsetting that you yourself were personally offended for morrissey and marr? “or their fans” who, the easily upset, bigoted kind? stick to strawberry switchblade, you’ll be happier that way. see, the real answer to all your problems is learning to be OPEN TO CONTRADICTORY OPINION, i.e. not going “you’re wrong, you’re wrong!” without proving much reason, or an argument worth reading as to why
I think u are really reaching dude....Morrissey is bisexual but im pretty sure in the days of the Smiths Morrissey was dating a woman also......and I think Suede Head is Morrisseys love for the 50s bisexual actor James Dean
i have an irrational fear of morrissey
Me too
@@luckystarfan77 based on some things he did and said it’s not so irrational
It's not irrational
that is an incredibly rational fear
i have a rational fear of morrissey
One of my fav facts 🤓: ‘I know it’s over’ was written shortly after Johnny married 🤯🤯
and “i want the one i can’t have” was released the same year johnny was married 💀💀
@@neptunesdemise but like half a year earlier and it was written the year before that
I would defo recommend looking into the relationship between Morrissey and Billy McKenzie (singer of Assosiates). Billy claimed that he dated Morrissey, and was upset that he wouldn't acknowledge their relationship.
Morrissey wrote "William, It Was Really Nothing" for Billy, who upon hearing the song, fled Morrissey's house, stealing his favourite shirt and book. Billy wrote a song in retaliation called "Stephen, You're Really Something" and recorded it with The Associates. The song's lyrics are very blunt and give a very clear idea as to their relationship. Billy also befriended Siouxsie Sioux and Robert Smith, and never spoke to Morrissey again.
In 1997, Billy met Robert Smith again, backstage at a Cure concert. Robert was thrilled to see him and Billy invited him for a drink. Robert was busy, and offered to meet Billy the next week. A few days later, Billy was found dead in his back garden. Smith wrote "Cut Here" for Billy, and Siouxsie also wrote a song in tribute, and recorded it with The Creatures. Billy had 3 of the biggest new wave bands write songs for him, but he's mostly forgotten nowadays.
Where did you get all your info from? I tried researching this topic like you suggested, but a lot of things are saying their relationship was fabricated by the press, or just refer to them as “friends.” Also, in Billy’s song title he misspells Morrissey’s name, which is spelled “Steven.”
Billy McKenzie took his own life some years ago. Poor love ❤️
@@danse-move it's also something I have heard but I couldn't tell you where from. Maybe I read it in the NME or Melody Maker but more likely it was something floating around the music forums in the early internet. Perhaps someone told me about in an Indie club night in London circa 2004...
i mean i dont blame morrissey for liking marr cause he was basically the first person who showed him love after being in such a deep depression 😿
What about Jake Walters? Oh no, wait...that was later in the 90s.
Marr dated and subsequently married his childhood sweetheart, Ange. Obviously Morrissey is either gay or bisexual. This is not a revelation. I was a Smiths fan in the 80s and saw them live. Morrissey being gay or bisexual was literally no big deal. Young men and young women adored him.
This sounds like if Ben Shapiro was explaining Morrissey and Johnny.
thank u
Not a compliment
@@1015SaturdayNight it’s just funny I didn’t mean it in a mean way
i literally did your same “investigations” and i agree with in everything, the conclusion is so accurate, so yeah here are my thoughts:
about the first part about hand in glove, also the song “pretty girls make graves” ends with these words:
“i lost my faith in womanhood, i lost my faith on womanhood..
.. hand in glove, the sun shines above ours behind”
I NEVER NOTICED THIS BEFORE READING THE LYRICS OF THE SONG
oh and 4:07 : yes he’s been married since that year, the one in which “i know its over” got recorded, and since i found out this song is SOOO MUCH SADDER GOD POOR MOZ
(also i think that most of smiths lyrics were a message for johnny lol)
tho 5:20 : i don’t think this one is about marr for a simple reason: when the band broke up, marr and morrissey already hadn't spoken to each other for 4 months, so it seems impossible to me that marr was at his house. Who knows anyways.
6:30 : i’ve watched and loved those videos so much lmaoo, however in the end, what does it matter whether they were dating or not? The Smiths are probably my favorite band of all time, they made music that will never die, and that's what matters, at least to me
Yes, it really doesn’t matter if they were dating, it’s just fun to look at it ahah. Also, i totally show have talked about pretty girls make graves and I know it’s over, the both would have totally worked. Anyway, thanks for watching the video! And about suede-head, even though it was after they broke up, i think it still could be about him cause the song has lyrics like “why do you come around”, so morrissey is in-visioning a world where marr is basically obsessed with him ahaha.
my favorite smiths youtuber
My priority
surprised you didn't mention the song "angel angel down we go together", which morrissey openly admitted was written about johnny (the lyrics on that one are crazy, especially at the very end)
Oh wow
wow, marrissey content in 2024? never thought i’d see the day
Ahaha
Everyone was gay in the 80s
im envious of those living in the 80s then😞
@@luckystarfan77that’s why women my age find it perplexing that you all get bent out of shape about gender identity. We were too busy being into music and thrift shop clothing finds to hate each other. We just hated Thatcher. Some people were gay. Some people were bi. No one cared.
They fell in love with each other's talent , that's all .Marr had already met the love of his life Angie long before the smiths and never looked back.
And they are still married
I believe johnny loved morrissey in a deep friendship brotherly way, not a sexual way johnny is not gay. However morrissey did love johnny in a sexual attraction way as well as a deep frienship colaberative way. That love friendship and tension created some of the grwatest music of all time ....
Johnny’s too good for morrissey
Agreed
I love the video of marr showing morrissey some easy steps on the guitar 6:51
So homosexual and cute🔥
that’s my wallpaper since months lol
@@chilloutconny i love that
weezer blue album in da bg ok dawg
astounded you caught that
thanks, the damned riff played in my head
I've been wondering this for about 6 months, thanks
I love this haha, 'hand in glove' seemed a bit kinky though...
i love yaoi
He was gay? Gary Cooper???
Anyways, I like The Smiths and I agree with what Morrissey said on Womanhood about "Pretty Girls Make Graves". Although I d go to the extent to say all humans are and can become snakes, despite their sex
i think they were gay for eachother but we’re too scared to date eachother. in interviews they always sit super close to eachother and look at eachother and kinda tune out the rest of the band, in photoshoots they always hug and are all up on eachother, and in live performances they always look at eachother and dance together. they so obviously loved eachother. i think they confessed to eachoyher or slept together and johnny left the band because he didn’t want to be outcast for dating morrissey so johnny leaving the band is how morrissey started his villain arc 💀
Did they date: NO
Johnny is straight and his love is his wife Angie. Moz is very obviously gay or bi-with-a-male-preference. Was he in love with him, idk, he certainly seemed very possessive of him. Johnny seems to be one of the very few people moz recognises as his equal.
morissey you are my favorite queer icon
I dont think they dated but i think they went together to bed once or some times… but Johnny has always been hetero, i dont think it was only Mozz falling in love with an hetero but i think something happened between them cause Mozz feeling through the years how he wants yo inow nothing about Johnny how bitter and hurt he was i dont think he would feel that way if nothing happened between them idk i have that feeling
They didn’t date . Morrissey as a Bowie , Marc Bolan or the New York dolls fan always played that dual sexuality angle . Suede did it a decade later .
Such a great video luckystarfan77!
You need to talk to those of us who were around at the time
This is an excellent video!! I found it to be very interesting, thank you for making it!
This is the best video ever
rhanks
But the real question. Could Johnny have fixed Morrissey?
imo in a sense he did
@@starrsparkle-wz7qdt what do you mean?
@@Benedetta-Marcarinisaved him from a lifetime of laying in bed all day
The answer to your posts' question is NO. Johnny Marr got married to his high school sweetheart Angie (STILL married to her to this day) in 1985 in San Francisco during their Meat is Murder tour. Morrissey is gay, but he's just never found it important to clarify nor should he...because it's NOT important. "Hand In Glove" is NOT a song about Morrissey and Marr...its a GENERAL song about...anyone fitting that description--NOT specifically Morrissey and Marr. If you want to read Morrissey lyrics that DIRECTLY relate to his relationship with Marr, read the lyrics to "I Won't Share You."
mmmm well morrissey did say hand in glove was about marr
@@luckystarfan77 yeah and also johnny himself said that he has always felt, that "hand in glove" is about him and morrissey, at least because they "were the only people hanging out with each other at the time" (c)
i love this
is that the mother 1 orchestral soundtrack on the wall holy based
heck yea
even though i agree with your interpretations, an important thing to learn is that a lot of phrases in hand in glove and i won't share you are some less obvious references. "hidden by rags" may be a reference to how the two of them would be judged and looked down upon (this may be a stretch tbh, he could just be talking about his fashion sense) if they showed any sign of homosexuality, but morrissey doesn't care as only they matter. "the sun shines out of their behind" would be used to say that you did not see a flaw in them, morrissey using it plural probably shows that he views their relationship as perfect and does not understand why they can't be together. with i won't share you, the main one is "has the perrier gone straight to my head", there was a small stereotype in the 80s that homosexual men drank perrier water. she's asking if morrissey is homosexual due to the note (whatever it said).
what i wouldn't do to experience it first hand in the 80s, i was born too late unfortunely. it's a bummer, the tea must've been piping hot.
Wow, thanks for the insight! I didn’t know about those references!
I thought that too. The ‘hidden by rags’ was about poverty.
With Morrissey, one can’t assume that he won’t throw in red herrings
This looking too deeply into their relationship is creepy & wrong. Marr has stated he’s not gay, he’s been in a relationship with his wife since he was 15 years old & has two children. He stated he’s always been loyal to her. This fantasising over a gay relationship between them is wrong. Johnny isn’t a homo.
thank you for addressing a question that i've been asking for for like 10 years now. now i have a new question: who was the top and who was the bottom 😳🥴
def morrissey
if morrissey wasn’t a bottom he’d most definitely be a side
100% believe marr is straight but morrissey loved him
Same
I know its over says it all
great video!
Steven blurred the roles of the gay aesthetic.
Johnny is not gay.Morrissey inspired in other people not Johnny,I know this is some kind of fantasy some fans have but is just that...a fantasy
You would like that huh
???
I always got bi vibes from Johnny Marr.
Right? As I bi person I feel he might be too
Oscar wilde was married with kids so, yeah
Dudes rock
i take offense to this
oh-
more of this
Noted
i love this video
Nah those clips show nothing they were super close of course they look each other of course theyre physically close to eo i think Johnny has always been hetero or at least curious “it was a good laid good laid”
Suedhead was about skinheads
Are you from the northeast region of the country? I’m from Philly and your accent feels real familiar to me?
Nope! South Florida!
johnny is not gay
Who knows
based
Thanks
A few things, I am a HUGE fan of Morrissey and The Smiths so I wanted to say a few things to you but very respectfully. First, it's "how "near" you stand to me"... Anyway, you are wayyyyyyyy off about everything. I get it, you are very young and passionate and that is awesome, NEVER change that but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you post videos like this that are nothing more than pure fantasy and almost everything you said in this video is not based on any kind of reality. Johnny Marr did not have a romantic or sexual relationship at all with Morrissey. Morrissey is not gay, he is asexual and there is a HUGE difference. Morrissey always made it clear that his sexuality was a private matter and he would prefer that people concentrate more on his music than who he chooses to love or sleep with. It's cool that you make these videos for great classic alternative music but you need to make it VERY clear that this is just YOUR extremely wrong and misguided opinion, that is not based on any actual true fact. Honestly, it was so hard to watch this video because it is so incredibly offensive how very wrong you are about everything. I'm really disappointed because you REALLY did your homework with your awesome Strawberry Switchblade video but this video is just embarrassing, because there is not even an ounce of truth to any of your claims. Just because you "think" or you "want" something to be true, doesn't make it so. I strongly suggest that if you are going to do any more videos like this, that you do some actual research like you did with Strawberry Switchblade and not just make a bunch of stuff up just to "be silly". If you are going to make videos like this, maybe start off your video with a disclaimer that this is just YOUR own personal opinion and not any actual facts that can be proven or substantiated. Like I said with your Strawberry Switchblade video, I was very impressed, because of your true journalistic integrity of researching and reporting the facts and then adding your 2 cents in. This video was sadly the polar opposite. It was just pure speculation and observation based on your own personal opinion and was not very respectful to Morrissey, The Smiths, Johnny Marr or their fans.
first of all, learn what a paragraph break is. a huge fan of morrissey, huh? if you were, you’d know that morrissey hasn’t been asexual/celibate for a long, long time: he’s a self-proclaimed “humasexual,” so basically bi. in his autobiography, he talks about his relationships over the years-some of them of the homosexual kind. strange how you decided to correct the guy on the lyrics, when it was pasted right on the screen anyway. young shouldn’t be a point of argument-it really isn’t nor does it mean much
if people didn’t speculate, when would anyone ever begin to question? the poster literally has “silly video” in the description, so i don’t see why you believe that this video was meant to be taken seriously at all. i find it funny that you say, “this video is not based on any kind of reality,” but then you whole-heartedly declare that marr was never in relations with morrissey. what are you basing this on-remarks by the two? people lie, remember?
don’t act as if the poster is the sole person to ever think this way-to ever analyze the lyrics and attempt to put the puzzle together. people have been asking this question for years, and morrissey has never been afraid to play into it, dropping hints throughout songs during and post-smiths. they are both very much aware of the rumors, the question raised in interviews multiple times. it isn’t only HIS personal opinion: so, so, so many other people think that they were more than friends once-this isn’t anything new. really, just go on morrissey-solo and enter a few choice works into the search bar, it isn’t hard
i’d assume that most people would be able to differentiate fact from opinion, but in the case that a human unable to actually exists, i’d have to agree that a disclaimer is necessary, which the poster DOES include at the end. anyway, what was so upsetting that you yourself were personally offended for morrissey and marr? “or their fans” who, the easily upset, bigoted kind? stick to strawberry switchblade, you’ll be happier that way. see, the real answer to all your problems is learning to be OPEN TO CONTRADICTORY OPINION, i.e. not going “you’re wrong, you’re wrong!” without proving much reason, or an argument worth reading as to why
Good video are you on the gran
Yes
@@luckystarfan77 awesome also you should look into Morrissey’s book List of the Lost. It has a self insert of him and Marr
@@xradiohazard I’ll read it soon!
I think there is too much over interpretation going on here.
Hahlahaha
I think u are really reaching dude....Morrissey is bisexual but im pretty sure in the days of the Smiths Morrissey was dating a woman also......and I think Suede Head is Morrisseys love for the 50s bisexual actor James Dean
peak
thanks! :3
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Give me a break 😅
Pathetic. Not every relationship revolves around the Rainbow Mafia
😓
how can you see the love in their eyes, and still you don’t believe us?