This Charming Band: The Smiths Twisted History

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  • Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
  • In a musical partnership that would last barely 5 years, Morrissey, Johnny Marr , Andy Rourke & Mike Joyce- THE SMITHS - would forge a body of work that was entirely unique, and defied the norms of their contemporaries. With 70 original songs, Manchester's The Smiths created a poetic post-punk romantic soundtrack for the 1980s. They leaned into sensitive poetry and jangling guitars at a moment when drum machines and synths were king. So why did this incredible band break up, right at the peak of their powers and popularity? In this video we delve into the early creative influences of Morrissey and Johnny Marr, their meeting, the prolific career of The Smiths, and what brought everything crashing down.
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    SOURCES & LINKS:
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    Troy Tate version of “Handsome Devil” • The Smiths - Handsome ...
    PLAYLIST: The Smiths “live” on Top Of The Pops • The Smiths - Heaven Kn...
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    Article on Marr
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    Manchester in the 1980s photos are from Manchester Archives Plus: www.flickr.com/people/manches...
    MUSIC:
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    00:00 Intro
    00:40 Morrissey: early influences
    02:17 Johhny Marr: early influences
    03:49 The Moors Murders
    04:48 If Morrissey was In The Clash
    06:34 Moz and Marr cross paths
    07:50 I was just there, dying, and he rescued me.
    10:30 What’s in a name?
    11:21 The Smiths first demo
    12:17 Mike Joyce
    13:56 The Smiths first show
    14:56 Andy Rourke
    16:32 Hand In Glove & John Peel
    18:33 The Smiths (1984)
    20:16 Hatful Of Hollow (1984)
    20:52 Meat Is Murder (1985)
    23:22 The Queen Is Dead (1986)
    25:09 Liberating The Queen
    26:58 Still Ill
    29:23 The World Won’t Listen & Louder than Bombs
    30:17 Strangeways, Here We Come (1987)
    31:25 I Know It’s Over

КОМЕНТАРІ • 65

  • @rocdocs
    @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +2

    Watch now: David J Interview re: hanging out with Bowie on the set of The Hunger ua-cam.com/video/Xus4kgkM01c/v-deo.html

  • @ecfan-addict9477
    @ecfan-addict9477 9 місяців тому +25

    Of the copious letters that Morrissey wrote to the music papers when he was young, one became unintentionally hilarious: in response to their cover of Bowie's "John I'm Only Dancing" he said that if the Polecats had any imagination, they would shoot themselves. Polecats guitarist Boz Boorer later became Morrissey's longest-running collaborator and musical director.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +4

      Haha awesome story!! Thanks Ec!

  • @amitcohen3034
    @amitcohen3034 6 місяців тому +10

    What amazing in this story is the fact that people who do not consider themselves as friends can make such a good music together.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  6 місяців тому +1

      They must have at one point just gelled completely, seems - but yeah they drifted apart so quickly and drastically! Ever see the “moz steals marrs bike” bit on Portlandia? So good

  • @user-lo5qm5tu8m
    @user-lo5qm5tu8m 9 днів тому +2

    Morrissey and Marr were God's! Rourke and joyce were the greatest rhythm section in modern music💔i still haven't got over the break up, there will NEVER be another band like them 🥰

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_133 13 днів тому +3

    RIP Andy Rourke🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @ThatGuy-ky2yf
    @ThatGuy-ky2yf 9 місяців тому +13

    RIP Andy Rourke

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +3

      Totally. He was a great bass player and seemed like a nice guy too.

  • @thatsafactjacksampson
    @thatsafactjacksampson 9 місяців тому +11

    Dennis, I don't want to resort to hyperbole, but these docs are masterpieces. I have to keep pausing and rewinding them to take in all the fact you present! And you break it up with humor and cool artwork. A real treat for a music history nut like myself.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +3

      Jack - this means the world to me, seriously. Thank you!

    • @thatsafactjacksampson
      @thatsafactjacksampson 9 місяців тому +4

      @@rocdocs Thank YOU. And, since I always leave you with trivia: the song "A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours" isn't about British colonialism, it's about the Irish retaking their land from the Engish.

    • @countrymousejewelry
      @countrymousejewelry Місяць тому +1

      Same!!!!! Last night I was wstching the cramps doc n I was rewinding n rewatching all night long! I couldn't stay awake n I was driving my bf crazy dropping my phone etc❤😅❤what can I say I'm stubborn i guess

  • @rocdocs
    @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +7

    I love that I call Moz a "music singer.' WTF does that even mean. I had to leave it in!

    • @AtZero138
      @AtZero138 Місяць тому

      Hahaha.. could be worse...
      They get called "Goth" now... Music Singer.
      We can agree, less offense..

  • @TyrellBonneymusic
    @TyrellBonneymusic 7 місяців тому +3

    Best video about the smiths and so in depth. You’ve done your homework Dennis great job!

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  7 місяців тому

      Tyrell thank you so much! Appreciate you stopping by and the kind comment!

  • @mrgainz1344
    @mrgainz1344 27 днів тому +1

    The most original band! The best lyrics the best unique sound!

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  27 днів тому

      Right on! Thanks gainz for watching

  • @Mongo42089
    @Mongo42089 2 місяці тому +2

    I kept switching over to relive all the songs listed that I had forgotten or just wanted to hear again. And if there's anything I relearned today, it's just how much I never truly appreciated Andy Rourke's badass basslines.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  2 місяці тому

      They really are special. When you go back and listen- they were closely aligned with Marr and they were essential to each other

  • @samajax
    @samajax 2 місяці тому +1

    Funky Si lucked out, his main front man turned out to be Mark E. Smith. His drums were perfect when blended with The Fall.

  • @spillyjane
    @spillyjane 9 місяців тому +1

    Great doc, Dennis!!

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +2

      Thank you kindly, Miss Jane!

  • @dennishough3709
    @dennishough3709 9 місяців тому +2

    Yes!!
    Among my favorite bands!!
    Thank you,

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +2

      Mine too! Thanks for being the first comment and one of the first views!

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому

      Are you going to see Moz on tour?

  • @qibble455
    @qibble455 8 місяців тому +1

    Great stuff. Rock on Dennis:)

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Qibble! Appreciated!

  • @imsorryforarguingbut4555
    @imsorryforarguingbut4555 2 місяці тому +1

    lovely video, you went into an impressive amount of depth here. must have taken a lot of research :)

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  2 місяці тому

      Thank you!

  • @patronsaintofhorses1747
    @patronsaintofhorses1747 Місяць тому +1

    My mum bought me T Rex's first album when I was 3 as I apparently sang Telegram Sam constantly and I begged her to call my younger brother Marc which she did. To know Johnny had the same taste as me makes me feel...fantastic. He's my ultimate guitar hero.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  Місяць тому

      Very cool story

  • @skeeterd5150
    @skeeterd5150 9 місяців тому +3

    I read fletchers book. Quite the tome . With that book as a reference I’m surprised you only kept this to 33 minutes.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +3

      It was a main source, also moz and Marr autobiographies. You are so right- there was a ton that I omitted! Tried to get the main events and interesting bits and include some details about each record. Thanks for watching and commenting !

  • @starrsparkle-wz7qd
    @starrsparkle-wz7qd 2 місяці тому +1

    I LOVED THIS VIDEO SO MUCH AHHHSHSBSNS

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you!

  • @GoldAmple
    @GoldAmple 7 місяців тому +3

    Will you do a video such as this for The Cure?

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  7 місяців тому +2

      Hi gold! I just did one on Robert smith and siouxsie- seems like there would be a lot of overlap there. Did you see that one?

  • @ChaseCahill
    @ChaseCahill 4 місяці тому +1

    Kirsty Maccoll did not sing on Big Mouth Strikes Again. She sang background vocals on Ask and Golden Lights.

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for the correction.

    • @user-lo5qm5tu8m
      @user-lo5qm5tu8m 9 днів тому

      it was Morrissey himself, Kirsty also Sang on Morrissey's single oujia board😮

    • @ChaseCahill
      @ChaseCahill 8 днів тому

      @@user-lo5qm5tu8m Yep, and I'll do you one better. It was Moz's voice fed thru an Eventide harmonizer which pitched his vocal up to sound like the female soul singers of his favorite 50s and 60s songs. Credited on the album as "backing vocals by Ann Coates" which is a cheeky reference to an area of the Smiths hometown of Manchester called Ancoats.

  • @audiolego
    @audiolego 9 місяців тому +3

    And the. Joyce and Rourke was in the last of the international playboys video. Almost a reuniom

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому

      Almost! That’s one of the last things mentioned in the video, coincidentally! Thanks for watching and commenting

    • @audiolego
      @audiolego 9 місяців тому +3

      @@rocdocsI'm getting into the Morrissey albums like Your Arsenal and Bona Drag albums these days. I'll be ordering those cds tomorrow and get the others as well later. I'm a Smiths fan but during Morrissey early years, I got into the Rave Techno genre(89-92) . I didn't appreciate Moz even though my friend Joey was so idolizing him. Now I'm liking and appreciating those records.

    • @ThatGuy-ky2yf
      @ThatGuy-ky2yf 9 місяців тому +1

      @@audiolego Viva Hate, Your Arsenal, Vauxhall & I and You are the Quarry are all fantastic. Morrissey can be a confusing man but he largely resonated on those works imo.

    • @audiolego
      @audiolego 9 місяців тому +2

      @@ThatGuy-ky2yf there's a video of him doing a studio session and nailing it every time .

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  9 місяців тому +1

      @@audiolego I also stepped away after the Viva Hate - Interesting Drug period (which I love)! Returning to hear more of his work that I missed really is a joy. I dont love every thing he says but I do still enjoy his music! And of course, the Smiths are a moment of musical magic.

  • @cobra5088
    @cobra5088 4 місяці тому +1

    Enjoyed the documentary! I always thought the smoking woman on the louder than bombs cover was a homeless woman..lol. For whatever reason I always associated her with the song shoplifters of the world unite. I thought being homeless she's probably stealing food for survival..lol

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  4 місяці тому

      Thanks 🙏 appreciate the kind words. It’s funny the impression album covers give isn’t it?

  • @countrymousejewelry
    @countrymousejewelry Місяць тому +1

    Hi, have you done anything on Nina Haagen? Id love to see that. Omg i can think of so many id love to see you cover❤also wendy 0 and the Plasmatics..

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  Місяць тому

      “CBGB’s video ( part 2) touches on the plasmTics!

  • @areamusicale
    @areamusicale 9 місяців тому +3

    HIHIHI! ... I am a vegetarian too, but I hardly even told my friends! Infact I did all the opposite: with my rock band we used to take the p1ss on vegans ... my point of view was: if you like meat eat it, don't pretend you don't want to! I never liked meat and so I stopped eating it. Simple as that!

  • @countrymousejewelry
    @countrymousejewelry Місяць тому +1

    Now I can find out why the 19 yr old bf of my daughter thinks they are the best band ever..as a musician myself i wonder why people like what they like. I just duscovered yhese docus last night and theyre $0ooooooofrickin good!!!! A Morrissey gronted version of the Clash lmao

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  Місяць тому

      Thank you Rebecca!!! I really appreciate that!!!

  • @sexobscura
    @sexobscura 2 місяці тому +1

    *I HATE*
    *THE SMITHS*

    • @rocdocs
      @rocdocs  2 місяці тому +1

      It’s ok! :)

    • @user-lo5qm5tu8m
      @user-lo5qm5tu8m 9 днів тому +1

      A bit of the top😮 hate is a bit strong❤😊

    • @sexobscura
      @sexobscura 9 днів тому

      @@user-lo5qm5tu8m
      though not strong enough