Definitely for better. It's where the drama, the conspiracies, the intrigues and the unpredictability come from. But it can sometimes be frustrating as well, that much is certain.
One of the big reasons Chinese like WC3 and SK don't as much also comes down to the sorts of strategy and tactics that dominate, and this goes back to their styles of warfare based on their geography for centuries and centuries. China, at least beyond like 800BCE, had lots of land to expand to, open land and hills, mountains and forests, deserts and pasture land fit for their smaller cavalry forces than everyone north, northeast and west of them. Wu Zi, Sun Tzu, Zhuge Liang all speak to the same ideas of taking a forward position and reacting to the enemy based on knowledge of their forces, the terrain etc etc, but campaign strategy, movements of troops and logistics, always mattered more than battlefield tactics. They always came second during the foundations of Chinese warfare, and would only really be drastically expanded upon later during the Tang and particularly the Song. The Koreans on the other hand come from a mixture of three different military heritages. First, the Steppe people who settled in northern Korea, creating the first Korean kingdom that wasn't basically a city-state, or maybe few-cities-state. At this time, ~400BCE at the earliest, Chinese classics begin to reach Korea, and start to mix with the Steppe peoples in northern Korean, and all the different groups within the region of Korea. Gojoseon was a kingdom in the region that is now the borderlands of North Korea and China, and through them Chinese culture spread into the other two groups. Then, around 200BCE, the Korean Gojoseon line were overthrown by a general from one of the Chinese kingdoms, and this further spread Chinese culture into Korea. But Korea is a very different landscape to China, surround nearly entirely by water, but with a remarkably defensive borderland mountain range. And that was where the Koreans made their stand, like 8 times in Korean history. Against Chinese, Jurchins, Mongols, Chinese some more, Khitans, Chinese yet again. They lost some, but never without inflicting massive, massive casualties. Meanwhile, they still had the Steppe north of them, and excelled in mounted warfare. And had sea all around them, so got good at naval warfare. Their defensive infantry tactics based around extremely fortified positions (which the Japanese also loved, as did the Chinese in the late Song) was combined with raids. The Steppe raids they never lost the ability to do, at least the northern kingdoms. The raids over mountains, the sea raids. And this shows up in SC2. Harassment of bases, building up defensive positions for all three races being probably 2/3 of non-cheese strategies. Obviously no navy, but even the way they usually play with air matches; they don't go for the giant air death balls without going lots of harass first, almost always. Where WC3 there are a million different very intricate strategies, particularly that utilize logistics (creeping effectively and knowing what to build with heroes) and lots of trickery. Lots of shutdowns, lots of debuffing. Also most of the "undead" Chinese censorship was because of laws during Mao's era. People drew him with skeletons, so they outlawed depictions of skeletons. So they drew him with emaciated husks of people, they outlawed that. God that was longwinded. I am sorry.
love the content grubby you truly are my idol i wish i could do what you do i would be lying if i said i wasnt a bit jealous but i truly love your content
26:08 Haha you lived long enough to become the villain. The moment they attacked each other was the moment YOU became a teamer. That's the worst part about 4 player FFA's.. one player always leaves at the start and then unless one dude is staying seperate and booming while the other two dudes fight it out-- it's always a 2v1.
Cool game! Sad to see so many people in chat being offended for some guy who's clearly just having a bit of fun and banter with their favorite streamer, though. Does he come off as a little weird? Sure, but not to the point to deserve such an amount of hate and rude comments. Some of you should really take a good, hard look at yourselves first and grow slightly thicker skin if such miniscule comments somehow hurt you (especially when they're not even directed at you).
a bit late, but remember that tower range is somewhat limited. And you really want to have many of them shoot at the same time. So being weak to area damage is kind of the necessary evil here, but it is oftentimes still worth it. Because if you spread them too much, enemies can just bulldoze in much more easily. I guess no matter how you do it, you will get punished for it in the end. That's the beauty of FFA, kek
Hey Grubby. May I suggest you give this RTS game called 'Beyond All Reason' a shot? It feels like such an insane improvement in terms of control and User Experience and it's a very fun game in it's own right. It's free and the community for noobs is a LOOOT more friendly than games like LoL or Dota2. I think you'd find it interesting at the very least.
Naaah, just a guy having fun being able to play with a pro player, which no one got to do back in the day but now you can play them for real on regular ladder on bnet
*and* about what you do. One is not sufficient. If you are good with words, thats good for you. But you better pack the punch necessary to back it up. :p
Never stop these FFA's my Man. They give Chillouts from work + they're different & fun (:
i pray for more ffa too
I just bought this game, it took me 30$. You are the reason making me want to play this game again.
Honestly one of the things i like most about FFA is the shopping from the marketplace lol
For better or worse, chat is a major part of FFA
Especially 23:25 , even his stream chat 😂😂😂
Definitely for better. It's where the drama, the conspiracies, the intrigues and the unpredictability come from.
But it can sometimes be frustrating as well, that much is certain.
he might have a long neck, but saying "that long neck of yours" is definitely weird lmao
23:24 mindgame getting in Grubbys head and chat 😂😂 omg he does not have a long neck lmao 😂
One of the big reasons Chinese like WC3 and SK don't as much also comes down to the sorts of strategy and tactics that dominate, and this goes back to their styles of warfare based on their geography for centuries and centuries.
China, at least beyond like 800BCE, had lots of land to expand to, open land and hills, mountains and forests, deserts and pasture land fit for their smaller cavalry forces than everyone north, northeast and west of them. Wu Zi, Sun Tzu, Zhuge Liang all speak to the same ideas of taking a forward position and reacting to the enemy based on knowledge of their forces, the terrain etc etc, but campaign strategy, movements of troops and logistics, always mattered more than battlefield tactics. They always came second during the foundations of Chinese warfare, and would only really be drastically expanded upon later during the Tang and particularly the Song.
The Koreans on the other hand come from a mixture of three different military heritages. First, the Steppe people who settled in northern Korea, creating the first Korean kingdom that wasn't basically a city-state, or maybe few-cities-state. At this time, ~400BCE at the earliest, Chinese classics begin to reach Korea, and start to mix with the Steppe peoples in northern Korean, and all the different groups within the region of Korea. Gojoseon was a kingdom in the region that is now the borderlands of North Korea and China, and through them Chinese culture spread into the other two groups. Then, around 200BCE, the Korean Gojoseon line were overthrown by a general from one of the Chinese kingdoms, and this further spread Chinese culture into Korea.
But Korea is a very different landscape to China, surround nearly entirely by water, but with a remarkably defensive borderland mountain range. And that was where the Koreans made their stand, like 8 times in Korean history. Against Chinese, Jurchins, Mongols, Chinese some more, Khitans, Chinese yet again. They lost some, but never without inflicting massive, massive casualties.
Meanwhile, they still had the Steppe north of them, and excelled in mounted warfare. And had sea all around them, so got good at naval warfare. Their defensive infantry tactics based around extremely fortified positions (which the Japanese also loved, as did the Chinese in the late Song) was combined with raids. The Steppe raids they never lost the ability to do, at least the northern kingdoms. The raids over mountains, the sea raids.
And this shows up in SC2. Harassment of bases, building up defensive positions for all three races being probably 2/3 of non-cheese strategies. Obviously no navy, but even the way they usually play with air matches; they don't go for the giant air death balls without going lots of harass first, almost always.
Where WC3 there are a million different very intricate strategies, particularly that utilize logistics (creeping effectively and knowing what to build with heroes) and lots of trickery. Lots of shutdowns, lots of debuffing.
Also most of the "undead" Chinese censorship was because of laws during Mao's era. People drew him with skeletons, so they outlawed depictions of skeletons. So they drew him with emaciated husks of people, they outlawed that.
God that was longwinded. I am sorry.
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Neeeeeeerrddd!!!
@@fizzbrew Ya goddamned right I am.
you forgot one specific person... the master of the art of war!
sun tzu
@@brothersarmy6456I said Sun Tzu
No resurrection at 37 minutes made me cry inside.
FFAs are just peak entertainment. Love it so much
This is super fun FFA!!! Action-packed, light-hearted! Super cool!
عالی من از ایران همیشه ویدیو هایت را نگاه می کونم تو یه استوره هستی تو وارکرافت عالی❤❤❤
Loving the FFA content, please keep them coming :D
Mass tele so satisfyingly OP
very nicely managed human, armor aura lvl 3 is so gooood you wrecked those armies despite being weakest race imho
love the content grubby you truly are my idol i wish i could do what you do i would be lying if i said i wasnt a bit jealous but i truly love your content
FFA was always the best mode in RTS
26:08 Haha you lived long enough to become the villain. The moment they attacked each other was the moment YOU became a teamer. That's the worst part about 4 player FFA's.. one player always leaves at the start and then unless one dude is staying seperate and booming while the other two dudes fight it out-- it's always a 2v1.
31:17: TREACHERY!!
Cool game! Sad to see so many people in chat being offended for some guy who's clearly just having a bit of fun and banter with their favorite streamer, though. Does he come off as a little weird? Sure, but not to the point to deserve such an amount of hate and rude comments. Some of you should really take a good, hard look at yourselves first and grow slightly thicker skin if such miniscule comments somehow hurt you (especially when they're not even directed at you).
Would be cool if down the line you did a video on your thoughts comparing the differences between LoL/Dota/HoTS
" no Grubby I'm a fan ! " .... -Grubby : " I'm sorry little one ..."
Actually deranged fan behavior
Undeads last trick - Necromancers :D
21:40 Spellbreakers to steal the bloodlust?
Thanks!
Great job
13min in its clear grubby needs 4 shredders at least lmao
lets goo grubby!
Great Game!
good have fun luck
Ffa❤
If he's going to be OK with his fans coming into the lobby, he should just do custom game FFAs with like 8 or more players.
no engles sory
Yay
red is red and teal is red 2
Felt like you had too many workers this game, but I guess it doesn’t matter too much when FFA is all about teaming up on unlucky opponents lol
I dont trust anyone that insists on using their first name as an initial
Why those people put towers close to each other? Isn't it easier for the opponent to aoe them when they are close?
a bit late, but remember that tower range is somewhat limited. And you really want to have many of them shoot at the same time. So being weak to area damage is kind of the necessary evil here, but it is oftentimes still worth it. Because if you spread them too much, enemies can just bulldoze in much more easily.
I guess no matter how you do it, you will get punished for it in the end. That's the beauty of FFA, kek
Hey Grubby. May I suggest you give this RTS game called 'Beyond All Reason' a shot? It feels like such an insane improvement in terms of control and User Experience and it's a very fun game in it's own right. It's free and the community for noobs is a LOOOT more friendly than games like LoL or Dota2.
I think you'd find it interesting at the very least.
That orc player was extremely weird and cringy. Stalker vibes
Naaah, just a guy having fun being able to play with a pro player, which no one got to do back in the day but now you can play them for real on regular ladder on bnet
@@ReadingAdam actually you're right, I commented halfway through the video, by the end I realized the dude was just doing a bit of trolling :D
kinda cringey, kind of giving off maniac vibes, but also pretty fun. Also, it's FFA, so it could just be part of some diabolical spiel
@8:30 why are some peons wearing purple and some wearing black?
Just a bug. They are the ones that get spit out when a buildings finished building from a player that already left.
First 5 minutes bowing down to chinese overlords....
OOOH IM FIRST IM FIRST HI GRUBBY GG THEY BACKSTABBERS WOW
dozens of poor grubby fans fall victim to Teal Brain Rot Syndrome every minute, we need to spread awareness
the teal orc is so cringe. Gives a "medium smart school yard bully" vibe.
China soon will dominate this game trust me that 😅
FFA is not about what you do but how you talk.
*and* about what you do. One is not sufficient. If you are good with words, thats good for you. But you better pack the punch necessary to back it up. :p