15:23 once you snaped back in my mind im thinking alioth, is definitely a possibility, also i normally run into alioth (i think because he fits in more decks/if you don't go against ongoing enchantress kinda dead draw) more than enchantress. And later in that match when i "dodged" alioth i just didn't have a good line behind the onslaught so i set up for ironman mystique in separate lanes, by that time i forgot in my mind you have alioth and i just got lucky. gg
Thanks for sharing your perspective! There aren't many opportunities to see/hear what both players are planning. That's why I if I play a match against a viewer, I'll try to include the match in the video so you can see my thoughts also. GGs!
Every time I play PF my super power of bad RNG makes it a miserable experience for me. I am motivated for more punishment. Keep up the great work it is appreciated.
Thought it only fair to come and say thanks for the deck. I was bouncing around at 90 with a surfer deck and saw this video. Have always liked Phoenix force but the nimrod and alioth took it to a new level. Hit infinite just now only my third time. Thanks!
You’re very welcome!! Congrats! 🍾🎉🎊 If I never got into content creation, this would still be my main deck lol. Now my goals have shifted to helping others through this channel and always super happy when that mark gets hit!
F2P player here and I have used your PF deck as my primary for the past few seasons. Still haven't gotten an infinite conquest but this is definitely a superb deck!!! You can also destroy Nico with copy spell for 2x 7 power moving nicos and even possibly a 14 if she gets the 2x spell + a copy of the card you destroyed (Venom or Carnage is best). Its a great backup in case you dont draw PF and need a destroy card for nimrod. I use Arana in Ladder while I use Rogue in Conquest instead of Alioth. Arana enables a later PF or a low grade boost for nimrod in case you miss on Shuri, while Rogue lets me use Venom or Carnage with Nimrod, or Dagger + Ghost Spider.
Thanks so much and I love that you’ve had success with it! I’m also super happy that you’re figuring out super alternative lines with Nico. I’m kicking myself that I forgot to mention some of those. But I didn’t even know about the copy spell for two 7 power Nico’s! Conquest is of course going to be the most difficult regardless of deck but you’re well positioned to complete it at some point. Shang-Chi and Alioth are always the flex spots so figuring out the best subs for each meta is necessary.
I played this deck and made it all the way through Conquest last season. As a multiple man stan since the day I first laid eyes on him, thank you for helping to make him a viable deck!
🎉🎉🎉 Congrats on the Conquest victory! None of them are easy. And you’re very welcome! I’m here to help and present unique decks, so super pleased that I achieved that with you!
Every time I play Phoenix Force deck, I face opponents that play Clog, Cosmo, Armor, Shang Chi, Shadow King, or Alioth. Also, RNG always gives me the location that summons squirrels.
Ha! I get it. A week ago I had the exact same experience when I used the deck again in prep for this video. Then when I started recording, it was more normal. Still plenty of bad RNG but retreat for 1 and then get more cubes in the wins. But the deck isn’t for everyone because of that play experience.
Thanks! And it’s not just you 😂. There are plenty of other players who say the same and there are certain days where she very clearly communicates that I should be playing a different deck 😂.
Don't have Alioth, Ghost Spider, Phoenix Force and Nico...out of all those, Nico seems to be in the most decks I want, but in general I hope i soon get all those cards, cause damn, i got over 80 once and now always have a mix of winning and losing, keeping me at around 80
Hope your luck changes around! I agree that Nico is the most desirable card from that list. Didn’t really believe in her at first, but came around after seeing how useful her spells are.
There are so many options since it’s a flex tech slot: Symbiote Spider-Man. He is just another Shuri for your Nimrod. Enchantress. You now have tech against Ongoing decks. Human Torch. Gives you another PF target in matchups that don’t involve Killmonger. Madam Web. Allows you to have a backup to Ghost-Spider or just reposition your power. Araña. Gives you a buff card that also works with your move cards and even works with Shuri/Nimrod. Those are the cards I’d think about. My mind goes to either Symbiote Spider-Man or Araña.
Thanks! I absolutely love this deck and used it to climb to Infinite this (Surtur) season. As for Nico replacements: Araña who can buff and move cards. Iron Fist gives you another move activator. Human Torch if you accept the Killmonger risk. Madam Web allows you to move and reposition power or avoid an enemy Cosmo or Armor. Symbiote Spider-Man is a backup Shuri. In order, I’d try Araña, Symbiote, Madam Web, Iron Fist, and Human Torch. And Nico is worth targeting since she fits into so many different decks outside of this one. Good luck!
@NerdDynamite thank you ! Love this little guide on how to swap Nico, very useful ! I’ll try either Iron fist or Human torch since I don’t have the other cards and I will also target Nico, it must be the most versatile card right now (and possibly ever actually)
😂 Half of me wanted to just do a fake cut off and maybe I do just that in a future video. But the editing decisions I make follows a simple rule: Does it amuse me?
What do you think about the deck JEET is using at top 10? (usually around 6). Right now he only left Multiple man for PF, and Deadpool is the backup plan. Thanks!
I'm not familiar with the exact 12 cards in the deck, but my general thoughts: 1. Most PF decks don't have tech cards. That can leave them weak to certain matchups in Conquest. On Ladder, that is less important. 2. Good players have flexibility on the decks they can climb with, and that probably includes me. Between game knowledge and snapping, that can overcome "lesser" decks. 3. I love cards with unique mechanics and PF is exactly that! It gives different players the freedom to craft slightly different decks that can be effective. 4. JEET and everyone in the top 100 are better players than me lol. But they also play a 'different' game. It's hard to say whether my decks could compete at that tier, even though they are competitive against the remaining 99% of players.
Thanks! Here are some potential substitutions: Enchantress or Rogue: This is more tech specifically against Ongoing decks if you are facing them. Human Torch: You have to be willing to accept the Killmonger risk. Araña, Agony, or Forge: They provide a poor Shuri alternative if you don’t draw her.
@@NerdDynamiteThank you. That just leaves ghost spider for me to get in two weeks. Assuming I could pull it in the spotlight key. I don’t know what ghost spider could be replaced with
You could try: Human Torch for another big power card but Killmonger is a huge risk. Agony, Araña, or Forge are all buff cards. Iron Fist gives you another card that moves others.
It’s possible, but I wouldn’t for a couple of reasons. This is already a combo heavy deck and Fenris Wolf only works with Shang-Chi. That means you’re replacing Alioth which is a flex slot. But Alioth can be used without support, while Fenris needs another card in Shang to work.
I’ll admit the deck isn’t for everyone. But if you practice with it, you hopefully start to get better at snapping and retreating to actually gain cubes!
Nice! Dagger is for games where you can get away with lower power in a second lane, or maybe Alioth kills their Wong nonsense. She is probably plan C in this deck to Multiple Man and Nimrod.
Probably a good decision 👍. Nico fits into so many decks that you’ll get more use out of her. Hopefully you unlock one of them, or both, in a random spotlight!
You can try one of the following cards, listed in order: Araña who can buff and move cards. Symbiote Spider-Man is a backup Shuri. Madam Web allows you to move and reposition power or avoid an enemy Cosmo or Armor. Iron Fist gives you another move activator. Human Torch if you accept the Killmonger risk. Also, Nico is worth targeting since she fits into so many different decks outside of this one. Good luck!
Mill makes more sense if a player lost when they can't draw on an empty deck. Mill feels like it does more than what it actually does. Loving all the uploads lately. Keep it up Nerd Dynamite.
I haven’t heard that description of Mill before, but it’s 100% accurate. I either bail for 1 cube if their plan actually worked, or get 4 or 8 because they think they did more than they actually did. And thanks! I appreciate all of the love!
This specific deck I don’t think so. Maybe if you added Human Torch too so she could copy him or Dagger. It still might be worth testing. I don’t plan on getting Frigga though.
15:23 once you snaped back in my mind im thinking alioth, is definitely a possibility, also i normally run into alioth (i think because he fits in more decks/if you don't go against ongoing enchantress kinda dead draw) more than enchantress. And later in that match when i "dodged" alioth i just didn't have a good line behind the onslaught so i set up for ironman mystique in separate lanes, by that time i forgot in my mind you have alioth and i just got lucky. gg
Thanks for sharing your perspective! There aren't many opportunities to see/hear what both players are planning. That's why I if I play a match against a viewer, I'll try to include the match in the video so you can see my thoughts also. GGs!
Every time I play PF my super power of bad RNG makes it a miserable experience for me. I am motivated for more punishment. Keep up the great work it is appreciated.
Listen. I make decks for 99% of players… and you are definitely in the 1% this time 😂.
Thought it only fair to come and say thanks for the deck. I was bouncing around at 90 with a surfer deck and saw this video. Have always liked Phoenix force but the nimrod and alioth took it to a new level. Hit infinite just now only my third time. Thanks!
You’re very welcome!! Congrats! 🍾🎉🎊
If I never got into content creation, this would still be my main deck lol. Now my goals have shifted to helping others through this channel and always super happy when that mark gets hit!
F2P player here and I have used your PF deck as my primary for the past few seasons. Still haven't gotten an infinite conquest but this is definitely a superb deck!!!
You can also destroy Nico with copy spell for 2x 7 power moving nicos and even possibly a 14 if she gets the 2x spell + a copy of the card you destroyed (Venom or Carnage is best). Its a great backup in case you dont draw PF and need a destroy card for nimrod.
I use Arana in Ladder while I use Rogue in Conquest instead of Alioth. Arana enables a later PF or a low grade boost for nimrod in case you miss on Shuri, while Rogue lets me use Venom or Carnage with Nimrod, or Dagger + Ghost Spider.
Thanks so much and I love that you’ve had success with it!
I’m also super happy that you’re figuring out super alternative lines with Nico. I’m kicking myself that I forgot to mention some of those. But I didn’t even know about the copy spell for two 7 power Nico’s!
Conquest is of course going to be the most difficult regardless of deck but you’re well positioned to complete it at some point. Shang-Chi and Alioth are always the flex spots so figuring out the best subs for each meta is necessary.
I played this deck and made it all the way through Conquest last season. As a multiple man stan since the day I first laid eyes on him, thank you for helping to make him a viable deck!
🎉🎉🎉 Congrats on the Conquest victory! None of them are easy.
And you’re very welcome! I’m here to help and present unique decks, so super pleased that I achieved that with you!
soooooo jealous of PF Dan Hipp variant ❤ also, THANK YOU for continuing to nerd around unusual decks 🖖
And thank YOU for watching! I enjoy showing that off meta can be used to win.
I also am very jealous of the Dan Hipp variant 😢
@@fwrailton yeah, PF and Nimrod are two Dan Hipp's variant, that are like the Holy Grail to me 👌
Every time I play Phoenix Force deck, I face opponents that play Clog, Cosmo, Armor, Shang Chi, Shadow King, or Alioth. Also, RNG always gives me the location that summons squirrels.
Ha! I get it. A week ago I had the exact same experience when I used the deck again in prep for this video. Then when I started recording, it was more normal. Still plenty of bad RNG but retreat for 1 and then get more cubes in the wins.
But the deck isn’t for everyone because of that play experience.
@@pj_youendure trying to make you spend $. Lol I swear if your cards "aren't working" what do you do? Grind until you get tokens, or buy some cards 🤔
I often feel like Phoenix Force just hates me. Probably I just need to practice more. Great video, as usual.
Thanks! And it’s not just you 😂. There are plenty of other players who say the same and there are certain days where she very clearly communicates that I should be playing a different deck 😂.
@1:18 was sooooo goood.
🤣 I have so many favorite clips and that’s one of them.
19:23 Why did you say "Gesundheit"?
Just a dumb joke related to my opponent’s user name 😅.
Don't have Alioth, Ghost Spider, Phoenix Force and Nico...out of all those, Nico seems to be in the most decks I want, but in general I hope i soon get all those cards, cause damn, i got over 80 once and now always have a mix of winning and losing, keeping me at around 80
Hope your luck changes around!
I agree that Nico is the most desirable card from that list. Didn’t really believe in her at first, but came around after seeing how useful her spells are.
what would you suggest as replacement for Alioth?
There are so many options since it’s a flex tech slot:
Symbiote Spider-Man. He is just another Shuri for your Nimrod.
Enchantress. You now have tech against Ongoing decks.
Human Torch. Gives you another PF target in matchups that don’t involve Killmonger.
Madam Web. Allows you to have a backup to Ghost-Spider or just reposition your power.
Araña. Gives you a buff card that also works with your move cards and even works with Shuri/Nimrod.
Those are the cards I’d think about. My mind goes to either Symbiote Spider-Man or Araña.
@NerdDynamite awesome ty
The deck looks so cool to play ! What’s a good replacement for Nico ? That’s the only card I’m missing in the deck
Thanks! I absolutely love this deck and used it to climb to Infinite this (Surtur) season.
As for Nico replacements:
Araña who can buff and move cards.
Iron Fist gives you another move activator.
Human Torch if you accept the Killmonger risk.
Madam Web allows you to move and reposition power or avoid an enemy Cosmo or Armor.
Symbiote Spider-Man is a backup Shuri.
In order, I’d try Araña, Symbiote, Madam Web, Iron Fist, and Human Torch.
And Nico is worth targeting since she fits into so many different decks outside of this one. Good luck!
@NerdDynamite thank you ! Love this little guide on how to swap Nico, very useful ! I’ll try either Iron fist or Human torch since I don’t have the other cards and I will also target Nico, it must be the most versatile card right now (and possibly ever actually)
I also enjoyed the fact that you were talking about bloopers at the end and cut yourself off. Hopefully that's in there too :)
😂 Half of me wanted to just do a fake cut off and maybe I do just that in a future video. But the editing decisions I make follows a simple rule: Does it amuse me?
What do you think about the deck JEET is using at top 10? (usually around 6). Right now he only left Multiple man for PF, and Deadpool is the backup plan. Thanks!
I'm not familiar with the exact 12 cards in the deck, but my general thoughts:
1. Most PF decks don't have tech cards. That can leave them weak to certain matchups in Conquest. On Ladder, that is less important.
2. Good players have flexibility on the decks they can climb with, and that probably includes me. Between game knowledge and snapping, that can overcome "lesser" decks.
3. I love cards with unique mechanics and PF is exactly that! It gives different players the freedom to craft slightly different decks that can be effective.
4. JEET and everyone in the top 100 are better players than me lol. But they also play a 'different' game. It's hard to say whether my decks could compete at that tier, even though they are competitive against the remaining 99% of players.
Very great deck. I like it
Thanks! Phoenix Force is probably my favorite card and this specific version is the one I like the most.
Great video, YT just recommended you 😃 Is there a substitute for alioth?
& Nico
Thanks! Here are some potential substitutions:
Enchantress or Rogue: This is more tech specifically against Ongoing decks if you are facing them.
Human Torch: You have to be willing to accept the Killmonger risk.
Araña, Agony, or Forge: They provide a poor Shuri alternative if you don’t draw her.
Brilliant! Thank you 👍🏼
what’s a good substitute for nimrod? wolverine? vision?
I would go with Vision. The deck is of course different since there’s no double destroy path, but being able to reposition Vision is strong.
@@NerdDynamiteThank you. That just leaves ghost spider for me to get in two weeks. Assuming I could pull it in the spotlight key. I don’t know what ghost spider could be replaced with
Any Nico replacements I don’t have her and I’ve Ben struggling to find replacementd
You could try:
Human Torch for another big power card but Killmonger is a huge risk.
Agony, Araña, or Forge are all buff cards.
Iron Fist gives you another card that moves others.
Would you try fenris in this?
It’s possible, but I wouldn’t for a couple of reasons. This is already a combo heavy deck and Fenris Wolf only works with Shang-Chi. That means you’re replacing Alioth which is a flex slot. But Alioth can be used without support, while Fenris needs another card in Shang to work.
@NerdDynamite thanks for the advice
Any good substitutes for Alioth?
I’d replace him with Enchantress or Rogue with all of the Ongoing cards right now. There’s also Human Torch if you are fine with the Killmonger risk.
I like phoenix force but i always feel like it loses me a lot of cubes. I'll be taking notes!
I’ll admit the deck isn’t for everyone. But if you practice with it, you hopefully start to get better at snapping and retreating to actually gain cubes!
Reached 90 using this after being stuck for 2 weeks at 80 range. Multi man is GOAT but how do I effectively use Dagger?
Nice! Dagger is for games where you can get away with lower power in a second lane, or maybe Alioth kills their Wong nonsense. She is probably plan C in this deck to Multiple Man and Nimrod.
I'm gonna yolo pull for Ghost Spider next week... wish me luck 🤣
Lol that ending
Good luck! She has uses in move decks but is also a big cube stealer when you unexpectedly yank a big power card elsewhere.
I want pheonix force so bad but I’m saving tokens for Nico
Probably a good decision 👍. Nico fits into so many decks that you’ll get more use out of her.
Hopefully you unlock one of them, or both, in a random spotlight!
What if i don't have Nico
You can try one of the following cards, listed in order:
Araña who can buff and move cards.
Symbiote Spider-Man is a backup Shuri.
Madam Web allows you to move and reposition power or avoid an enemy Cosmo or Armor.
Iron Fist gives you another move activator.
Human Torch if you accept the Killmonger risk.
Also, Nico is worth targeting since she fits into so many different decks outside of this one. Good luck!
@NerdDynamite thanks bro. Idk why I'm stuck around 85-87 this season
Sir your video cut off mid-sentence and I am left in a state of suspense.
🤣🤣 My deepest apologies! I’m still relatively new to making videos and must’ve messed up accidentally 👀.
Revival 👍💪
Anotha one!!
Ha! I love this deck! 🔥🔥🐦🔥
Mill makes more sense if a player lost when they can't draw on an empty deck. Mill feels like it does more than what it actually does.
Loving all the uploads lately. Keep it up Nerd Dynamite.
I haven’t heard that description of Mill before, but it’s 100% accurate. I either bail for 1 cube if their plan actually worked, or get 4 or 8 because they think they did more than they actually did.
And thanks! I appreciate all of the love!
do you think Frigga would be good in this deck?
This specific deck I don’t think so. Maybe if you added Human Torch too so she could copy him or Dagger.
It still might be worth testing. I don’t plan on getting Frigga though.