I got this mower specifically to be able to drive it through a 36 inch door ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend or gate It is a little tight with the grass deflector installed but has more clearance with the deflector replaced by the recycler/mulcher. This model appears to be popular and a little harder to find for that reason. I can't judge the dependability as I have only mowed the yard twice but everything else on the mower is very nice and working fine so far. I added options for the run hour timer, arm backrests, recycler/mulcher, towing bracket, deck lift assist and cover.
I've seen them using those at Discount Tire. Not sure how much I trust them, but I understand why they do and the wheels didn't fall off or shear the lugs.
@@F0XD1E pretty much all shops use them, the alternative is straight impacting on (which even some decent shops have guys doing). Really high end or performance places will use a low torque stick and then do final tightening with a torque wrench but it really adds time. I've tested my a few sticks before and most brands do basically the same thing; limit torque if used in small bursts. I've been able to exceed the rating on a torque stick by about 30%+ if I use a strong impact for 10 seconds, and it will usually be about 5-10% high if I use a 1-2 second hold. This is pretty perfect as I would rather be a slight margin over recommended minimum if I'm not double checking.
@@nomercyinc6783 Yah, I said that. Try reading next time. They still use something to snug up the lug nuts which is either an electric impact or a low (like 50ft/lbs or less) rated stick. Nothing wrong with using a low torque stick and using a wrench after, you'll notice real quick if the stick over torqued them.
A torque stick is effectively the same thing as a reactive component in an electrical circuit. They're torsion bars. The torque they transfer depends on the system, so the nut being driven, but more importantly, the impact gun. Higher energy impacts are going to increase output torque. That depends on your line pressure and your impact gun among other things, so no, torque sticks cannot be accurate. Every other part of the system would need to be calibrated to match.
@@Sevalecan They don't need to be super accurate to make a good video though. Plus I'm curious how much difference there will be with different guns. I use them often on lug nuts but i usually use a lower torque one and then torque it the rest of the way with a breaker bar. For steel wheels, i just use the stick and choose an impact that isn't too powerful.
Keep us posted how it holds up. I'm a huge ir ti guy. I've had a few, and they last for god damn ever. Mines 5 years old already, works perfect still but the anvil is coming apart. So gonna be in the market for a new one soon
I almost bought a Thor but they’re ALWAYS out of stock! But… I actually got the Mac Tools air impact with the LED lights in this video that is next to brand new in an auction on eBay from a pawn shop for $200!!! She’s purdy! 😎 1400ft of torque is plenty for me and those LED’s really help a lot!
My pt850 has been alive and well since I got it when it first came out. I run 180psi unregulated and it's holding up fine. Wicked strong impact for the size.
love my MAC MPF990501 impact, yes it shakes like a gremlin but if you hold it steady it will break bolts loose or just break them. the mac impacts like high air pressure, mine has seen only 130 psi for the last 3 years. I work at a diesel equipment shop
A nice diversion from the cordless impacts, air tools are not going anywhere (at least for the pro market). Long-term reliability and battery life is still not proven for pricey cordless tools. I hope they last a long long time because they're pricey.
Weight to torque, air still wins. Add in user serviceability and longevity, it's no contest. At least if you've got 160 gallons of twin screw air behind you...
@@-tr0n which most people don't. Cordless is far better for the vast majority of people who don't work inside of a shop. Compressors take up too much space on the work truck. Dragging airlines around on the types of worksites I'm on would be an absolute joke. Nothing would get done.
@@jaywelker5566 unless you're an ironworker, impacts mostly get used in the shop or on service trucks that need air anyway. and most people who are doing mechanical work have an air compressor. Even small air compressors can run a gun briefly. Not saying cordless isn't great because i have a ton of milwaukee stuff but air isn't going anywhere for awhile. There are lots of air tools that don't have a single cordless counterpart on the market. My point isn't that air is better, just that it's still a better option for some situations and is far from obsolete.
@@dchawk81 This. I dont really see air impact's competing with stuff like the big milwake or makita impacts. The power is the same, and generally both the big 1/2in air and electric impacts wont fit in the same place. Electric seems to be king when it comes to mid torques for taking off wheels and general suspension work. Where air rules in my world is compact 1/2 and 3/8 impact's. I LOVE my little astro nano 3/8s. 2x as powerful as anything electric in the same size and I can hammer away at a hormonal caliper bolt as long as I want without worring about expensive batterys. Brakes and steering and suspension make my paycheck and I will buy a new impact the second mine ever dies.
I’ve owned all three in this last year only kept the Matco as the breakaway torque was the best and most important for me being a heavy equipment mechanic. The Mac was good as well and I preferred the stout direction switch on the back and the light was sweet and the battery in it seemed to last a long time between charging. As for the snap on forget about it.
You should branch out and do a comparison of the big red wrench (induction and oxy) vs unheated bolt torque value. It's a real life saver for us in the salt belt.
It really makes me happy that my 1/2 Milwaukee high torq can play with the big tool brands for 100$ less with a battery. Unless you need the logo (I need them on my hand tools) I would go with Milwaukee.
I've had the hammer cage in the mg break on me 6 times, so I had enough and went with the matco. I've beat the absolute shit out of it, and it still does everything I need it to do for about 5 years now.
The air inlets on the MG 725 are asymmetrically placed with a reverse bias. As a result there are 3 vanes engaged in reverse and 2 in forward. You can see that if you take apart the tool. It is probably the same on the PT850 as well.
I’ve had the old SnapOn and the new one you just tested and as far as work environment goes, if you have a large volume of air the old wins but on a portable air compressor the new one “feels” like it’s better. Either way I’m running the 850 because I bought it
I bought a PT850 to replace my mg725 because I wanted the lighter weight tool. I was disappointed with the lack of brand and voiced this opinion with my Snap-on rep. He always had some BS claim, blaming the air fittings or something like that. I asked why does my coworkers matco gun make more beans on the same air hose if the air hose is the problem? He didn't have much to say. So, I bought a matco gun myself. This got the Snap-on guy's attention. He sent my PT850 to get rebuilt and it came back with subjectively quite a bit more beans. There must have been something wrong with it from the factory. After almost a year the matco gun felt doggy so I sent that in for a repair under warranty and it came back subjectively much better. Now, a year or two later (I lost track), it's kinda messed up again. I bought a new reversing valve kit to fix it but haven't put it in yet. The durability of the matco gun seems to leave some to be desired. Ultimately the Snap-on is a pretty good tool but the price is disappointing to say the least. Matco has a bigger and badder model now than what I bought a few years ago so I might just trade it in on that.
Don’t do it Matco used to have IR build there guns now they use a different company and there not as durable stick with the snap on or buy a Ir2235 outright the new Matco isn’t that impressive tbh
Yes you have to have greater volume of air for the PT850 vs the MG725 use 1/2” airline with 140-160psi and see the difference with 1/2” or high flow 3/8” inlet fittings
Buy IR or Matco I have had the PT850 for 2 years it feels under powered compared to other IR’s I’ve owned , I’ve had no issues with the PT850 braking down on me, but you’re definitely paying extra for the Snap On name.
I still prefer my 2235. Had the older generation Mac and it was 100% reliable but lost a ton of power after a year or 2. Other guys in the shop running the IRs had longer lasting power. I get a good deal on IR with our shop discount through the local napa anyway.
I have a old and recently replaced Milwaukee 3/8s impact. I was wondering if you would want to compare it over time. I’m a class 8 truck technician by trade so it’s had a hard life being used daily over the last 5ish years.
It's kinda disappointing that the top dog is 1/3 the price and produce more hugga dugga than these. It's 169 on Summit Racing and could drop even further. But I am not upgrading because my IR2235 already has a habit of snapping heads off rusted suspension bolts.
Matco 1600 footpound 20V+ cordless infinium 1/2 high performance impact wrench-green Item# MCL2012BIWG Best impact gun I’ve ever owned it’ll outdo any air impact we have in our shop It’ll even remove combine Lug-nuts that are torque to 1100 foot pounds
@@SRT_Hefe The impact and they’re using sound different than the one I have When my gun starts to stalls out it shakes violently and tries to tear your wrist off
Am very curious to see how the Mac BWP151 does against the DeWalt DCF899B as they are the same tool with the Mac having the oil resistant clamshell but many people say they are definitely different hitting though they should theoretically the same tool. I'm anticipating that one!
I personally have a mg version of the snapon ive had since 08 or so, and it deffinetly hits hard, and being a labscope guy I wonder if you can use a pressure transducer and measure the physical hit of the hammer mechanism inside of the impacts, maybee the hydraulic pressure is dampening this, I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, maybee there is a harder hit in the hammers, love the channel very imformative info here
The MAC models under Facom branding are much cheaper, not a bad buy if need compact size and led lighting useful bonus. Astro 1894 hard beat though as not just power, the design/ergonomics is very well thought out using simplicity, experience and good old common sense at prices even HF couldn't match lol ...
Hey TTC I'm going to be buying another ir 2235ti soon as my current one is eating the anvil apart after 5 or 6 years of daily use at my shop. If the anvil doesn't break before I buy the new one. Would you guys like to test how a few year old daily used wrench stacks up to a new one ? Just let me know!
Test the new air powered stubby impacts like the new Matco claims 700 ft lbs. Mac, Cornwell, Snap on all make them. I have the Mac 1/2 and 3/8. I like them both 👍
I would love to see the MAC Pneumatic 3/8 high torque impact, which is the same family exactly as the MAC 1/2 you showed in this video. Is there any way we can see a review if that one? I recently purchased it and would like to see how it competes.
I have the snap on PT 850 and the Cornwell I like my snap on better due to how it feels it's more comfortable and the Cornwell (IR) rubs on my hand to where it hurts after awhile I have the quiet version 9000c
Is the overall ranking spreadsheet available somewhere to view on the web? You said you recommend the Mac in the video - what other guns do you recommend?
@@TorqueTestChannel okay, didn't realize that. I work in a shop that I can't control the pressure and 120 is all I get, we can see the difference between the Matco and snap on for sure. Had some lug nuts last week that the snap on couldn't remove and the Matco had no problem. Great content as always keep up the great work!
since for the 15sec test you up the psi in the air tools. I think you should use a high out put battery for the battery powered one. Unless you did I can’t remember
Best case scenario for the air impact set up as you buy it is higher pressure. Cordless has to still be how its sold, but they get battery fresh off the charger and the opportunity to make higher numbers on FWD or Rev where air doesn't. Most of the cordless make more in FWD. At least for this rank list. We are using now as well which is just in order of most power they can make. Bigger batteries are gtg there
I wish there was a way to incorporate torque output over time. What happens to total output on the 100th test, the 500th test, the 1000th test. Graphing long lasting value versus money spent would be very interesting. It would give direct insight into the internal workings, the quality of the components, and would further break down the hype posted on the packaging. In my 20+ years of wrenching, I've only owned three 1/2" impacts. Some old timers are still running on their first or second, even if modern impacts are far more powerful. Alas, the modern "throw away" attitude moves many to always buy the next great thing just because it might have slightly more power. How might the charting change with "% loss over time" factored in? A conundrum worth contemplating.
Most air vane driven tools will actually get better as the vanes wear in and seal better, then they stay at that point for a long time unless fed dirty air. Go back and look at the original test of the Astro tool that Eric beat the snot out of for over a year and you will see it's even more powerful that the new Thor.
That is very interesting. I can understand the "wearing in" concept now that you mention it. What do you think about hammer wear? Greased lubrication versus oil bath? Anvil weakening? Those would only show up with time, don't you think? I suppose my thoughts before were to add even more specific, testable items to the chart.
A tool brand (Snap-On, Matco, Cornwell, Mac Tools) who's distributor drives around on a truck to service shops with sales, warranty and tool repair. Usually higher prices, but is a local guy you're paying towards rather than Jeff Bezos and can sometimes get you back going when something does break within a day or two rather than several weeks.
Love the video but koon trucking said last week in there video there is a new snap on thats over 1400lbft tq break away . If true will you be doing an update ?
The cordless? We will be working towars tool truck cordless at some point yes. As for air, have not seen anything from Snap-on higher spec than these in 1/2"
@@TorqueTestChannel yes from my understanding there will he a new air gun 1/2 in the next month or 2 from snap on. My mac dealer said mac /dewalt has a new 1/2 cordless coming out before November as well. All talk but worth keeping in mind .
Could you test the KS Tools 515.1200 THE DEVIL It only cost about 56€ in Germany and says it has 1600nm. I have it at home and it really gives the beans.
Hey fellas…looking for a recommendation. 120v compressor for the garage? I really want the new “big nasty” and “Thor”. No long runs just to do the random ish. And yes, I already have all the Milwaukee impacts.
Hey Joel. I'm having a little trouble thinking of anything that I would be comfortable recommending. I have both Thor and Big Nasty. Both of these guys are air-hogs. I run two compressors in my shop; an Atlas Copco 10hp (obviously, no problems running any kind of air tools with this) and a 3hp Ingersoll-Rand vertical in what used to be the "paint shop" section of my shop. Truth is, that Ingersoll can't run Big-Nasty without running continuously, which is not good. It gets hot. That 3hp Ingersoll is a 220v single phase, 18.1 cfm @ 90psi, 60 gal. vertical compressor. And, honestly, I think you would have a problem with anything smaller.
If you use the 1894 15-20 seconds out of every minute thats 2-3cfm. There's few bolts the thor can't finish working on in that time. Intermittent use is not a huge cfm draw like spray guns and cut off tools.
@@TorqueTestChannel Maybe... but big problem items, like rusted in suspension bushings and "Honda" balancer bolts give even Thor a hard time. But, I can see where a a DIY'r would probably never run Thor to the limits. I suppose the bigger problem would be using Big Nasty with a small compressor for stuff like ball joints, wheel bearings, and suspension bushings (all thoroughly rusted in, like we find them here in the middle of Pennsylvania). That would be tough for those little 1-1/2hp home-owner compressors that were designed for nothing more taxing that inflating lawn tractor tires. I suppose it will "do it", but for how long?
I have a coworker that bought the newish green harbor freight gun a few months ago challenge a guy that bought the regular harbor freight gun. The regular gun broke free a bolt the green gun put on tight. I'd like to see a working torque figure for the comparison. Green gun at $179 vs regular gun at $50
I get a student discount from all tool truck brands because I am in auto tech school. This discount is 50% and if they can still make a profit at that level of price cutting it makes me wonder why anyone would pay the sticker price for these tools.
@@mattns13 I understand why they do it and you better believe I will take full advantage of it while I have it, but all I am saying is that it seems you cannot justify the full price, especially when you consider all the other great options out there (like the astro thor)
At 50% off, they probably don’t make a profit off of it. This is how they get you in the door. They know you’re most likely going to be buying tools down the road and because of this deal, you’re more likely to think about them later on. Milwaukee does the same thing with their impact drivers and hammer drills and other very common tools because they know once they get you on their platform, there’s a much better chance you’ll continue buying their stuff. So with other tools you won’t get that good of a deal even if you wait for sales. Grocery stores do it all the time. Costco does it with their rotisserie chicken. It’s their loss leader but they have it to get you in the door and more likely to buy other things when you’re there. Obviously this doesn’t work on everyone but it works enough that they will always do it.
For Snap-on 50% discount is about what they give to large industrial accounts. It's harder to tell with the other three but I doubt any of them are loosing money by offering a student discount. Probably breaking even or making a small profit. Reason sticker price is so high is because tool trucks cost a lot of money to operate. They also include "free" financing on the truck account. So if you're paying cash ask for a discount ;-)
The side bolts are supposed to be loose while testing. They are locating guide bolts and just keep the face plate from falling off when there's no main bolt in. During testing they do nothing, hence the jostling around
I use a lot of different half inch impacts at my business my nitro air cat half inch 1250 is hard to beat I also without a doubt would put my rigid RIDGID R86211B high torque 18-volt up against any other battery impact it kicks my m18's ass
I just have to ask how it is that a nitrocat 1200k isn't even on the chart but the timax is, and high on the chart but all real world mechanics say that when the timax can't remove it they grab the nitro
Idea for comedy-themed video: What's the max torque you could get with a cheater... and where does that rank in your ranking system... Sort of an Archimedes lever situation.
I got the PT850 early on for $399, and I love it. The ergonomics are the best and the rubber of the grip resists all the gunk. The IRC9000 is more powerful in reverse however
I see in your BCS the 2235 (IRC9000) is within a percentile of the PT850. I have an anecdote however. My shop runs 3/8 hoses with 3/8 fittings at 150-160PSI. I do a A LOT of v6 Honda timing belts. The PT850 needs a weighted socket about half the time to get the crank bolts. The IRC9000 gets em every time with a normal s/o deep well 19 impact socket.
I got the MAC shortly after they came out and was instantly disappointed the first time i used it. The trigger is garbage. Fully pressed rarely gives you full power and hard to control once it does finally break free what your trying to remove. My MAC stubby AWP050M gives it a run to the money. Atleast against my MAC high torque anyways. Debating on replacing it with the milwaukee high torque or the Thor
Totally agree. Making sure the trigger is all the way down is a an actual effort you have to think about. Probably the worst trigger feel overall of any air we've tested
I got this mower specifically to be able to drive it through a 36 inch door ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend or gate It is a little tight with the grass deflector installed but has more clearance with the deflector replaced by the recycler/mulcher. This model appears to be popular and a little harder to find for that reason. I can't judge the dependability as I have only mowed the yard twice but everything else on the mower is very nice and working fine so far. I added options for the run hour timer, arm backrests, recycler/mulcher, towing bracket, deck lift assist and cover.
How about testing torque sticks. You could compare them vs a good torque wrench for calibration purposes.
I've seen them using those at Discount Tire. Not sure how much I trust them, but I understand why they do and the wheels didn't fall off or shear the lugs.
@@F0XD1E pretty much all shops use them, the alternative is straight impacting on (which even some decent shops have guys doing). Really high end or performance places will use a low torque stick and then do final tightening with a torque wrench but it really adds time.
I've tested my a few sticks before and most brands do basically the same thing; limit torque if used in small bursts. I've been able to exceed the rating on a torque stick by about 30%+ if I use a strong impact for 10 seconds, and it will usually be about 5-10% high if I use a 1-2 second hold. This is pretty perfect as I would rather be a slight margin over recommended minimum if I'm not double checking.
@@nomercyinc6783 Yah, I said that. Try reading next time. They still use something to snug up the lug nuts which is either an electric impact or a low (like 50ft/lbs or less) rated stick.
Nothing wrong with using a low torque stick and using a wrench after, you'll notice real quick if the stick over torqued them.
A torque stick is effectively the same thing as a reactive component in an electrical circuit. They're torsion bars. The torque they transfer depends on the system, so the nut being driven, but more importantly, the impact gun. Higher energy impacts are going to increase output torque. That depends on your line pressure and your impact gun among other things, so no, torque sticks cannot be accurate. Every other part of the system would need to be calibrated to match.
@@Sevalecan They don't need to be super accurate to make a good video though. Plus I'm curious how much difference there will be with different guns. I use them often on lug nuts but i usually use a lower torque one and then torque it the rest of the way with a breaker bar. For steel wheels, i just use the stick and choose an impact that isn't too powerful.
Just bought a thor what a beast! Been watching SMA for years. TTC rocks love you content! Keep up the great work
Hell yeah brother!!! Jealous over here.
I'm still waiting for mine to ship...
Keep us posted how it holds up. I'm a huge ir ti guy. I've had a few, and they last for god damn ever. Mines 5 years old already, works perfect still but the anvil is coming apart. So gonna be in the market for a new one soon
Eric O has had that impact the longest. He got the prototype. He runs his tools hard. If it last him a year will probley last anyone else a lifetime.
I almost bought a Thor but they’re ALWAYS out of stock! But… I actually got the Mac Tools air impact with the LED lights in this video that is next to brand new in an auction on eBay from a pawn shop for $200!!! She’s purdy! 😎 1400ft of torque is plenty for me and those LED’s really help a lot!
My new favorite channel, ordering my tshirts soon. Keep up the good work brother! May the LORD bless your hard work.
My pt850 has been alive and well since I got it when it first came out. I run 180psi unregulated and it's holding up fine. Wicked strong impact for the size.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy, been waiting for this video since you started the channel.
love my MAC MPF990501 impact, yes it shakes like a gremlin but if you hold it steady it will break bolts loose or just break them. the mac impacts like high air pressure, mine has seen only 130 psi for the last 3 years. I work at a diesel equipment shop
I'd love to see some testing of some 3/8" and 1/2" torque wrenches for accuracy.
Or how accurate some wrenches are after heavy use.
I'm not sure his system could tell you accuracy without calibrating with another torque wrench first. Repeatability would certainly be doable though
That would be really nice.
Gnarly *...just sayin...
@@boosted2.4_sky it’s been my XBL gamertag since 2005. Can’t get rid of it. Lol
I wonder if one day they will replace the nut busting torque rating with a TTC rating... wouldn't that be something...
Love what you all do. Keep up the incredible work.
A nice diversion from the cordless impacts, air tools are not going anywhere (at least for the pro market). Long-term reliability and battery life is still not proven for pricey cordless tools. I hope they last a long long time because they're pricey.
Weight to torque, air still wins. Add in user serviceability and longevity, it's no contest. At least if you've got 160 gallons of twin screw air behind you...
@@-tr0n Agreed.
@@-tr0n which most people don't.
Cordless is far better for the vast majority of people who don't work inside of a shop. Compressors take up too much space on the work truck.
Dragging airlines around on the types of worksites I'm on would be an absolute joke. Nothing would get done.
@@jaywelker5566 unless you're an ironworker, impacts mostly get used in the shop or on service trucks that need air anyway. and most people who are doing mechanical work have an air compressor. Even small air compressors can run a gun briefly. Not saying cordless isn't great because i have a ton of milwaukee stuff but air isn't going anywhere for awhile. There are lots of air tools that don't have a single cordless counterpart on the market. My point isn't that air is better, just that it's still a better option for some situations and is far from obsolete.
@@dchawk81 This. I dont really see air impact's competing with stuff like the big milwake or makita impacts. The power is the same, and generally both the big 1/2in air and electric impacts wont fit in the same place. Electric seems to be king when it comes to mid torques for taking off wheels and general suspension work. Where air rules in my world is compact 1/2 and 3/8 impact's. I LOVE my little astro nano 3/8s. 2x as powerful as anything electric in the same size and I can hammer away at a hormonal caliper bolt as long as I want without worring about expensive batterys. Brakes and steering and suspension make my paycheck and I will buy a new impact the second mine ever dies.
I’ve owned all three in this last year only kept the Matco as the breakaway torque was the best and most important for me being a heavy equipment mechanic. The Mac was good as well and I preferred the stout direction switch on the back and the light was sweet and the battery in it seemed to last a long time between charging. As for the snap on forget about it.
You should branch out and do a comparison of the big red wrench (induction and oxy) vs unheated bolt torque value. It's a real life saver for us in the salt belt.
It really makes me happy that my 1/2 Milwaukee high torq can play with the big tool brands for 100$ less with a battery. Unless you need the logo (I need them on my hand tools) I would go with Milwaukee.
I've had the hammer cage in the mg break on me 6 times, so I had enough and went with the matco. I've beat the absolute shit out of it, and it still does everything I need it to do for about 5 years now.
The Ugga Dugga Daddy himself!
I always knoew without testing that my Milwaukee 2767 had more torque than my Snap-on PT850. Thanks for another great comparison.
The air inlets on the MG 725 are asymmetrically placed with a reverse bias. As a result there are 3 vanes engaged in reverse and 2 in forward. You can see that if you take apart the tool. It is probably the same on the PT850 as well.
Battle of the tool trucks. Hell yeah man!
I’ve had the old SnapOn and the new one you just tested and as far as work environment goes, if you have a large volume of air the old wins but on a portable air compressor the new one “feels” like it’s better. Either way I’m running the 850 because I bought it
I just picked up a pt850 for. 150.00 at a pawn shop, freaking works amazing, a lot of power
got my pt850 as a repo for $475 with a new warranty, probably gonna sell it and get thor though.
I bought a PT850 to replace my mg725 because I wanted the lighter weight tool. I was disappointed with the lack of brand and voiced this opinion with my Snap-on rep. He always had some BS claim, blaming the air fittings or something like that. I asked why does my coworkers matco gun make more beans on the same air hose if the air hose is the problem? He didn't have much to say. So, I bought a matco gun myself. This got the Snap-on guy's attention. He sent my PT850 to get rebuilt and it came back with subjectively quite a bit more beans. There must have been something wrong with it from the factory.
After almost a year the matco gun felt doggy so I sent that in for a repair under warranty and it came back subjectively much better. Now, a year or two later (I lost track), it's kinda messed up again. I bought a new reversing valve kit to fix it but haven't put it in yet. The durability of the matco gun seems to leave some to be desired.
Ultimately the Snap-on is a pretty good tool but the price is disappointing to say the least. Matco has a bigger and badder model now than what I bought a few years ago so I might just trade it in on that.
Don’t do it Matco used to have IR build there guns now they use a different company and there not as durable stick with the snap on or buy a Ir2235 outright the new Matco isn’t that impressive tbh
Yes you have to have greater volume of air for the PT850 vs the MG725 use 1/2” airline with 140-160psi and see the difference with 1/2” or high flow 3/8” inlet fittings
I've used that red snapon impact and I will say it does rip off wheel nuts in a real hurry compared to my peasantly mastercrap 450ft/lb impact
Buy IR or Matco I have had the PT850 for 2 years it feels under powered compared to other IR’s I’ve owned , I’ve had no issues with the PT850 braking down on me, but you’re definitely paying extra for the Snap On name.
Been waiting for this video the entire time I started watching thankyou
Can you please test the new snapon brushless 1/2 impact.
They are coming out with an even newer ct9080 1/2 cordless gun to replace the ct9075.
@@upnorth5465 Nice!! Didn't know that. The model I was referring to was the ct9075
I do believe the ct9075 is the most powerful gun out as of right now though. Thing is just a beast!
@@rossgeiger4575 I sold my Milwaukee for mine. No regrets that's for sure. It's a beast.
@@rossgeiger4575 yeah it will still be a bit before it comes out but it will have to be a lot better for me to trade in my 9075 for it. Haha
I still prefer my 2235. Had the older generation Mac and it was 100% reliable but lost a ton of power after a year or 2. Other guys in the shop running the IRs had longer lasting power. I get a good deal on IR with our shop discount through the local napa anyway.
I have the Facom and I would buy it every day of the week over the Snap-On . Bit more expensive but worth it in blows.
I have a old and recently replaced Milwaukee 3/8s impact. I was wondering if you would want to compare it over time. I’m a class 8 truck technician by trade so it’s had a hard life being used daily over the last 5ish years.
It's kinda disappointing that the top dog is 1/3 the price and produce more hugga dugga than these. It's 169 on Summit Racing and could drop even further. But I am not upgrading because my IR2235 already has a habit of snapping heads off rusted suspension bolts.
I have a CAT4280A from Cornwell, it’s a beast you should add it in to see how it compares
Matco 1600 footpound
20V+ cordless infinium 1/2 high performance impact wrench-green
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Best impact gun I’ve ever owned it’ll outdo any air impact we have in our shop
It’ll even remove combine Lug-nuts that are torque to 1100 foot pounds
I believe Koon Trucking did a video on that and it couldn’t beat out the Milwaukee or snap on
@@SRT_Hefe The impact and they’re using sound different than the one I have
When my gun starts to stalls out it shakes violently and tries to tear your wrist off
Great video.. Really like the real head to head testing.. Always looking for your next video..
I think the MAC looks badass...😳
Getting close to testing the Ridgid high torque?..
Am very curious to see how the Mac BWP151 does against the DeWalt DCF899B as they are the same tool with the Mac having the oil resistant clamshell but many people say they are definitely different hitting though they should theoretically the same tool. I'm anticipating that one!
Did they skip the 15second test with the matco? They bumped up the pressure on the last 2 but skipped the matco from what I can tell.
I personally have a mg version of the snapon ive had since 08 or so, and it deffinetly hits hard, and being a labscope guy I wonder if you can use a pressure transducer and measure the physical hit of the hammer mechanism inside of the impacts, maybee the hydraulic pressure is dampening this, I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, maybee there is a harder hit in the hammers, love the channel very imformative info here
The MAC models under Facom branding are much cheaper, not a bad buy if need compact size and led lighting useful bonus.
Astro 1894 hard beat though as not just power, the design/ergonomics is very well thought out using simplicity, experience and good old common sense at prices even HF couldn't match lol ...
Love my pt850 but it does NOT like dirty air at all that switch will lock up every time. I've had to take mine apart and clean it a few times
Hey TTC I'm going to be buying another ir 2235ti soon as my current one is eating the anvil apart after 5 or 6 years of daily use at my shop. If the anvil doesn't break before I buy the new one. Would you guys like to test how a few year old daily used wrench stacks up to a new one ? Just let me know!
Test the new air powered stubby impacts like the new Matco claims 700 ft lbs. Mac, Cornwell, Snap on all make them. I have the Mac 1/2 and 3/8. I like them both 👍
Cornwell does make a impact. It's the Cat4280. Btw good videos!
I worked with a guy who uad the Mac. The trigger was spongey at first, but broke in after a week of working at a dealership.
I would love to see the MAC Pneumatic 3/8 high torque impact, which is the same family exactly as the MAC 1/2 you showed in this video. Is there any way we can see a review if that one? I recently purchased it and would like to see how it competes.
Can you please try the KOBALT SGY-AIR236 1/2" 1000LB MAX AIR IMPACT
And 1/2 Husky 800 lb Just curious to see what these are impacts capable of doing
The snap on selector sticks after a couple years of use, even after oiling daily
I have the snap on PT 850 and the Cornwell I like my snap on better due to how it feels it's more comfortable and the Cornwell (IR) rubs on my hand to where it hurts after awhile I have the quiet version 9000c
Is the overall ranking spreadsheet available somewhere to view on the web? You said you recommend the Mac in the video - what other guns do you recommend?
Would love to see those 3 run at 120psi which seems to common air pressure in a lot of automotive shops
The 1st two tests are around 112-122psi depending on tool to get 90 psi while running in the tool
@@TorqueTestChannel okay, didn't realize that. I work in a shop that I can't control the pressure and 120 is all I get, we can see the difference between the Matco and snap on for sure. Had some lug nuts last week that the snap on couldn't remove and the Matco had no problem. Great content as always keep up the great work!
since for the 15sec test you up the psi in the air tools. I think you should use a high out put battery for the battery powered one. Unless you did I can’t remember
Best case scenario for the air impact set up as you buy it is higher pressure. Cordless has to still be how its sold, but they get battery fresh off the charger and the opportunity to make higher numbers on FWD or Rev where air doesn't. Most of the cordless make more in FWD. At least for this rank list. We are using now as well which is just in order of most power they can make. Bigger batteries are gtg there
@@TorqueTestChannel oh ok that makes sense
I'm going to keep saying on saying hi because I love this channel. (Howdy Gabe and TTC [Torque Test Channel])
Hi Mike. I also love this channel and I hope it keeps going.
I wish there was a way to incorporate torque output over time. What happens to total output on the 100th test, the 500th test, the 1000th test. Graphing long lasting value versus money spent would be very interesting. It would give direct insight into the internal workings, the quality of the components, and would further break down the hype posted on the packaging. In my 20+ years of wrenching, I've only owned three 1/2" impacts. Some old timers are still running on their first or second, even if modern impacts are far more powerful. Alas, the modern "throw away" attitude moves many to always buy the next great thing just because it might have slightly more power. How might the charting change with "% loss over time" factored in? A conundrum worth contemplating.
Most air vane driven tools will actually get better as the vanes wear in and seal better, then they stay at that point for a long time unless fed dirty air. Go back and look at the original test of the Astro tool that Eric beat the snot out of for over a year and you will see it's even more powerful that the new Thor.
That is very interesting. I can understand the "wearing in" concept now that you mention it. What do you think about hammer wear? Greased lubrication versus oil bath? Anvil weakening? Those would only show up with time, don't you think? I suppose my thoughts before were to add even more specific, testable items to the chart.
Good Video still waiting to see that Chicago Pneumatic that you tested
Ingersoll Rand makes the best air tools hands down and for half price
Can you post the full list somewhere?
Have you tested the CP7749?
Oh yeah, things are gettin' spicy 🔥
Get your hands on an ingersoll 293 for some overall perspective
As a newbie just here to see how honest brands are, wtf is a Tool Truck?
A tool brand (Snap-On, Matco, Cornwell, Mac Tools) who's distributor drives around on a truck to service shops with sales, warranty and tool repair. Usually higher prices, but is a local guy you're paying towards rather than Jeff Bezos and can sometimes get you back going when something does break within a day or two rather than several weeks.
a place where a fool and their money are soon parted.
Love the video but koon trucking said last week in there video there is a new snap on thats over 1400lbft tq break away . If true will you be doing an update ?
The cordless? We will be working towars tool truck cordless at some point yes. As for air, have not seen anything from Snap-on higher spec than these in 1/2"
@@TorqueTestChannel yes from my understanding there will he a new air gun 1/2 in the next month or 2 from snap on.
My mac dealer said mac /dewalt has a new 1/2 cordless coming out before November as well. All talk but worth keeping in mind .
If they come out, you'll see it here
@@TorqueTestChannel nice to hear . I have the ridgid high torque cordless any word on seeing that one?
@@Dotz155 Next Friday :)
Could you test the KS Tools 515.1200 THE DEVIL
It only cost about 56€ in Germany and says it has 1600nm. I have it at home and it really gives the beans.
Hey fellas…looking for a recommendation. 120v compressor for the garage? I really want the new “big nasty” and “Thor”. No long runs just to do the random ish. And yes, I already have all the Milwaukee impacts.
I NEED MORE BEANS!!! Bring in BIG NASTY!!!!
The Kobalt 26 gallon quiet with hi flo fittings should be just fine
Hey Joel. I'm having a little trouble thinking of anything that I would be comfortable recommending. I have both Thor and Big Nasty. Both of these guys are air-hogs. I run two compressors in my shop; an Atlas Copco 10hp (obviously, no problems running any kind of air tools with this) and a 3hp Ingersoll-Rand vertical in what used to be the "paint shop" section of my shop. Truth is, that Ingersoll can't run Big-Nasty without running continuously, which is not good. It gets hot. That 3hp Ingersoll is a 220v single phase, 18.1 cfm @ 90psi, 60 gal. vertical compressor. And, honestly, I think you would have a problem with anything smaller.
If you use the 1894 15-20 seconds out of every minute thats 2-3cfm. There's few bolts the thor can't finish working on in that time. Intermittent use is not a huge cfm draw like spray guns and cut off tools.
@@TorqueTestChannel Maybe... but big problem items, like rusted in suspension bushings and "Honda" balancer bolts give even Thor a hard time. But, I can see where a a DIY'r would probably never run Thor to the limits. I suppose the bigger problem would be using Big Nasty with a small compressor for stuff like ball joints, wheel bearings, and suspension bushings (all thoroughly rusted in, like we find them here in the middle of Pennsylvania). That would be tough for those little 1-1/2hp home-owner compressors that were designed for nothing more taxing that inflating lawn tractor tires. I suppose it will "do it", but for how long?
Ever thought about testing 3/4” Drive impact wrenches?
Thank you for the great videos.
I have a coworker that bought the newish green harbor freight gun a few months ago challenge a guy that bought the regular harbor freight gun. The regular gun broke free a bolt the green gun put on tight. I'd like to see a working torque figure for the comparison. Green gun at $179 vs regular gun at $50
Impacting off a bolt is 20-30% easier than tightening power wise
I get a student discount from all tool truck brands because I am in auto tech school. This discount is 50% and if they can still make a profit at that level of price cutting it makes me wonder why anyone would pay the sticker price for these tools.
"because it's Strap on, it must be better"
It’s called a loss leader. Look it up.
@@mattns13 I understand why they do it and you better believe I will take full advantage of it while I have it, but all I am saying is that it seems you cannot justify the full price, especially when you consider all the other great options out there (like the astro thor)
At 50% off, they probably don’t make a profit off of it. This is how they get you in the door. They know you’re most likely going to be buying tools down the road and because of this deal, you’re more likely to think about them later on. Milwaukee does the same thing with their impact drivers and hammer drills and other very common tools because they know once they get you on their platform, there’s a much better chance you’ll continue buying their stuff. So with other tools you won’t get that good of a deal even if you wait for sales. Grocery stores do it all the time. Costco does it with their rotisserie chicken. It’s their loss leader but they have it to get you in the door and more likely to buy other things when you’re there. Obviously this doesn’t work on everyone but it works enough that they will always do it.
For Snap-on 50% discount is about what they give to large industrial accounts. It's harder to tell with the other three but I doubt any of them are loosing money by offering a student discount. Probably breaking even or making a small profit.
Reason sticker price is so high is because tool trucks cost a lot of money to operate. They also include "free" financing on the truck account. So if you're paying cash ask for a discount ;-)
We use l couplers at work and nothing touches the ir ti in these conditions
You should test a usag impact gun, it looks exactly like the max gun
It’s time for a new impact. Can I send you my old Craftsman to test, so I’ll know how much things have moved on?
What about cornwells blue power impact the new one?
Just rolled in... is that you also? Good stuff.
No, but we both get this same comment in our videos and has messages each other about it!
@@TorqueTestChannel Ahh, sorry about that! Quite a few speaking voices sound similar under a microphone. I like the testing and reviews!
When is the Ridgid high torque vs Milwaukee high torque going to take the stage?
Solid vid definitely got some good info
Hey bro...The bolt on the left is lose....should you re-do the test??
The side bolts are supposed to be loose while testing. They are locating guide bolts and just keep the face plate from falling off when there's no main bolt in. During testing they do nothing, hence the jostling around
Might be time to start showing them in a few different charts, ie, battery only, air only, then combined.
I use a lot of different half inch impacts at my business my nitro air cat half inch 1250 is hard to beat I also without a doubt would put my rigid RIDGID R86211B high torque 18-volt up against any other battery impact it kicks my m18's ass
I’m a proud owner of the matco and it is a animal
A seller on ebay had those PT850 for like $350
Please test a cp5000 1 inch drive long anvil air impact.
I just have to ask how it is that a nitrocat 1200k isn't even on the chart but the timax is, and high on the chart but all real world mechanics say that when the timax can't remove it they grab the nitro
I have a new 1/2 inch Snap-on battery powered impact I will loan you guys!! I wanna know the power it has
that led thing on the mac, why I like it so much? and you can remove it if you want
It's underrated for sure. Although the impact looks VERY ugly w/out it.
TTC are your rank charts available online?
my co worker has the snap on. and he doesn’t like it. claims it is weak compared to the old one he had
Great video 👍
The Milwaukee made like 820 in one of your videos.
When do we get a graph of ALL impact wrenches in best case scenario
Passed 4-5 tools on a graph an you can't makes heads or tails of anything
Idea for comedy-themed video: What's the max torque you could get with a cheater... and where does that rank in your ranking system... Sort of an Archimedes lever situation.
I got the PT850 early on for $399, and I love it. The ergonomics are the best and the rubber of the grip resists all the gunk. The IRC9000 is more powerful in reverse however
I see in your BCS the 2235 (IRC9000) is within a percentile of the PT850. I have an anecdote however. My shop runs 3/8 hoses with 3/8 fittings at 150-160PSI. I do a A LOT of v6 Honda timing belts. The PT850 needs a weighted socket about half the time to get the crank bolts. The IRC9000 gets em every time with a normal s/o deep well 19 impact socket.
Also, the anvil-stop feature on the PT850 should really count for something
Should have tested the Cornwell CAT4280
You need to put some water through the MAC its used to it at SMA.
Have you thought about checking the accuracy of the Kobalt, Husky, Icon and Gearwrench Torque Wrenches? Thanks.
The Mac looks like a power ranger 😂
I noticed that none of them reach their claimed torque… what’s the reason for this ??
Snap-On was pretty close. See our episode 1, our numbers are based on the old school figures which many dont hit anymore
Hey man can you test some impact drivers??
We've done M18 and Flex so far, more to come!
I got the MAC shortly after they came out and was instantly disappointed the first time i used it. The trigger is garbage. Fully pressed rarely gives you full power and hard to control once it does finally break free what your trying to remove. My MAC stubby AWP050M gives it a run to the money. Atleast against my MAC high torque anyways. Debating on replacing it with the milwaukee high torque or the Thor
Totally agree. Making sure the trigger is all the way down is a an actual effort you have to think about. Probably the worst trigger feel overall of any air we've tested
RIDGID, 18V OCTANE Brushless Cordless 1/2 in. High Torque 6-Mode Impact Wrench Kit with (1) 4.0 Ah Battery and Charger $279.00, 1500 ft. lb.
Do yall ever send back the tools you get from viewers to test?
Haha, yes of course
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