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@@Stickweasel91 So I'm actually thinking of doing a series on Villains. Not sure if you've watched the Captain's Orders video which is imo better than this by leaps and bounds. But in that one I go into a little more depth on evil within society. This comment and me following my own nose has me thinking about doing a Killmonger vs. Joker video that ends similarly to the Captain's orders video. But with a different issue of course. Cheers, -CP
To be fair, Peter was willing to kill Gamora and Wanda was willing to kill Vision for the greater good as well, but only because Gamora and Vision begged for it. That's the difference; no one asked Thanos to do what he does. I suppose that does make him evil, even if he's only doing what he considers to be necessary. Very good essay!
one thing most poeple don't seem to cinsider in wherther thanos is evil or not is why he does it... most poeple go in to it wih th assumption that the universe would be fine withuht thonas or his plan because they simply see him as an antoganist... but don't forget, he does it to save the universe... and even for their nation, a lot of people are willing to kill, which is why volunteer armies like the us armies haven't run out of soldiers! yet people just dismiss thonas killing one person to save the universe as evil!
I think another thing is the timing, Wanda only had the will to kill Vision when Thanos was on the door steps of victory. And Peter only had the will to do it when Thanos had Gamora in his hands; which is actually a slight against Gamora if she really wanted to stop Thanos in his tracks she would have killed herself earlier.
SPOILERS for ENDGAME!!! While I do agree with you on those points, I think this was setting up a contrast of self-sacrifice vs sacrificing others. In Infinity war, we see that every sacrifice of others leads to failure/defeat of the Avengers, but the ultimate final mic drop was of the self-sacrifice of tony stark.
@@SSDsmiley True, for them there truly was no other way, which makes killing a loved one more understandable. Thanos was very convinced that there was no other way to save the universe, but that makes him the Mad (and shortsighted) Titan. (in this, I find it interesting to contrast him to Tony's pursuits of clean energy via arc reactor tech, tackling the resource problem in a very different way!)
Well thank you! I’m conked out from staying up uber late to watch endgame but am working on another one about the political tension in winter soldier and black panther. When to break unjust laws - based on the “I’m not gonna launch the ships” scene. In the meantime though you might like the arrival video I made. Even better thought out than this one. Thanks for watching!
Not that I’m defending Thanos or anything, he’s clearly in the wrong, but I think this is why he deserved to win, and why he DID win. Obviously everyone’s gathered by now that you can view the movie as Thanos as the protagonist. If you do, this scene is him making the hardest choice ever to reach his end goal and accomplish what he thinks is the “greater good.” That’s why he wins. Just an amazing villain, best one I’ve seen in a movie in years.
This is why the prequels are way better if you view Palpatine as the protagonist that ties all the movies together. He's the only one with clear, delineated goals (take over the Senate, create a military force under his control, undermine and dismantle the Jedi), who conceives a master plan to achieve them, and by the climax of each of the movies, accomplishes all of them. Not *good* mind you, but better...
Bartholomew Thundercat III the “greater good” is pretty dubious for Thanos. His plan ignores even the most basic questions of ecology, and he’s more than willing to kill everyone else. That he kills his daughter is irrelevant - his abusive disregard for his children is well documented, he just worships his own “destiny.” Thanos isn’t a great villain, he’s just an overpowered self-centered jerk with delusions of destiny.
Bartholomew Thundercat III just going through the 1MS playlist. Is the concept of hearing people that disagree such a revolutionary concept, though? Honestly, is someone could explain why Thanos is so great with solid explanations, I’d like to hear it. All I see with him is claims that he’s complex without any actual justification. The “greater good” defined as little more than a desire to be an hero, the Obviously Evil goon squad, the gratuitous kick the dog moments of cruelty, the self-satisfied smugness... this is just commercial off the shelf villain, nothing special.
In his statement that afterwards, he would rest on the farm- he shows that he *knows* he will survive the snap. He will sacrifice anyone-- but not himself.
Hmmm.. the goal is to kill half of all population, to evoid catastrophies, his own people is already dead, so he will not kill the last person of this species.. Same principe that will not make him kill half of the remain of Gamora's people. Because they are already balanced.
@@ludos1963 but he doesn't do that for the asguardians. They've already been decimated when he kills half of them in the ship. And then he dusts another half of them. So they are literally down from a race of people to one tiny village of people (and no reason or evidence he didn't dust half of gamora's remaining people). He's a big picture kinda guy. I don't think he sweated the edge cases. But he clearly knew he would survive. It makes me wonder about his original plan on Titan too.
[ENDGAME SPOILERS] I think this scene when compared to the Nat and Clint scene in endgame really exemplifies the point you were making in this video, where Thanos sacrificed his daughter against her wishes, Nat and Clint were literally fighting each other over who sacrificed themselves for the other.
100% If I hadn't spent the week making a totally different video .. I would've somehow added that into whatever I was doing. Thanks for watching and hope ya stick around
My most Marvelous has to be the ghost Dr.Strange and the Ancient One talking to each other trapped in a single moment, right before she dies. The visuals,the music ,the atmosphere. I'm 23 and I've been pondering about death since that scene. "We don't get to choose our time...." . It still haunts me . Even the Ancient one was vulnerable and scared of death and wanted to hold hands with someone .
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe Yep. Amazing scene even though the movie as a whole was nothing too crazy . But that got to me . "Death is what gives life meaning. To know your days are numbered. Your time is short. To think after all this time I'd be ready .But look at me... stretching one moment out into a thousand. Just so I can watch the snow"
This scene cememted Thanos to me as not only the best MCU villain but one of the best characters in the MCU. One of the most layered, complex, and deep characters period. I didn't expect the movie to show so much emotion out of a villain I was close to tears when that scene came up I felt for the villain of the movie that shows how great of a villain they created and a testatement to Josh Brolin phenomenal performance (seriously he makes you feel for him, he can make you feel uneasy, sad, or even terrified and yet I completely understood where he's coming from) and the amazing writing by Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely who unfortunately many of the times get overlooked. I love how you presented what Thanos did as violating the moral of the MCU; really emphasized Thanos as the ultimate villain of the MCU.
Pretty low bar tbh. I mean, Loki is considered a "good" villain in the MCU. Snakr aside, no, I don't see "layers" there. Thanos is on a cosmic ego trip to push his deranged vision onto the universe and just because he spouses the tired man-feels cliche (which Brolin delivers perfectly, don't get me wrong), people think there is more than a twisted abuser there? He literally threw Gomorra off a cliff less than 10 minutes after he tortured her mutilated sister in front of her. And just because he sheds a few tears, he is layered? Everything he does, he does for one reason: To satisfy his ego. To have a universe "grateful" for his rampage.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe Sry for the late response, yeah Killmonger has really good emotional beats and depth but overall in terms of all the other things I think Thanos is the better overall villain.
Because of his crying, you can see that on an emotional level, Thanos KNEW that what he was doing is wrong. And that is the definition of premeditated murder, and truly doing evil.
It also helps show that Thanos truly is "Mad". He's so broken by his grief over what happened to his world, so *convinced* he could've saved them, that even compared to the one thing in his life he thinks he did "right"(doesn't seem too bothered by her betrayal, just oddly proud of how strong she is in her convictions and such) he's willing to literally throw that thing one right thing away. He's The Mad Titan, and his Madness is linked to his belief in *doing what he thinks is right* no matter the cost.
Crying only shows he is in pain. Not that he thinks it is wrong. He's losing something he cares about-- it hurts him. It's not about Gamora dying-- it's all about Thanos. I'd cry over losing a dog too. People decide to have their dogs put to sleep every day. They cry. It's a blended mixture of concern for the pet's quality of life but *also* about money. Most people just can't afford to spend $10,000 to heal your sick pet. So you choose between it living or dying. You could *technically* afford it. But it would be break normal people financially.
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This scene reminds of one quote. "That being, One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic". Thanks doesn't weep for the millions he snapped, that had lives of their own. He weeps for Gamora, the only person he had some semblance of a life with.
Yeah I always find that quote troubling... but it feels honest to how we process things sometimes. If the death has no face or story, we tend not to feel it.
You're deluding yourself if you think Thanos wasn't his true self in Endgame. Unwilling to do what is good for all. He would rather do what HE wants instead of what is objectively better; consequences, family, the UNIVERSE be damned. Shhh. No spoliers before the 2 week mark. (common courtesy) He is canonically more himself than he's ever been on screen. Because before it was just a mission. His warped sense of honor kept him from killing unneccessarily. In Endgame, he's livid.
Spoilers Infinity war thanos had made his decision. He had thought out what he was going to do already. Endgame thanos however was from the past and had seen the future and his death. This led him to change his character and decision. His original goal with the infinity stones was to carry on life by wiping out half of it so the other half could live easier. Since endgame thanos had seen the future and his death, not accepting fate, he decided that the only way to carry on life was to make new life since the other half of life he killed could not accept what happened. This led to endgame thanos being more murderous and evil like how a classic villain would be portrayed while infinity war thanos was more portrayed as a villain with kind of good intents behind his actions. Endgame thanos even admits to enjoying the massacre of life he is about to commit while infinity war thanos’ only intent is to help and is only forced to kill when necessary. This explains why the only avenger he attempted to kill was iron man because he was the only one he viewed as a threat.
I love the unspoken friendship of Cap and T’Challa in infinity war that has apparently developed off screen but makes a lot of sense when you think about the two characters
That Makes Sense To Me yes! SPOILER They even showed them give a nod to each other, and that was a little detail I think went unnoticed for a lot of people. Also makes me a little sad that we aren’t going to see more of that relationship. Although I think there is a Black Panther/Captain America comic not tied to the movies but it’s a team up I would love to see more
Before watching the video I thought that “I ignored my destiny once”’ would have been a better title, but your points make perfect sense with the title. Outstanding video. I hope you blow up soon.
I think that this also puts further reason into the amount of anger he has in Endgame. (These aren't really spoilers for it tho.) He sees that he sacrifices possibly the only person he's ever had a chance to love. Now for spoilers. He also sees that Thor beheads him...and he says...that's my destiny....and is proud of it...HE'S PROUD OF THAT! He's happy even though he sees himself get killed because he's accomplished his goal. He's content. Until he sees that no one else is content...so he wants to start the whole universe over. In his mind, he gave up everything, his planet, his children, his daughter, and his own life but beyond all of that he feels that it's all because it's his destiny. And now to see that no one is grateful to him, he'll erase everyone and make one that is. He doesn't want to see the entire universe turn into Titan. He wants it to flourish, in his own way. Both Thanos and Thor believe in Destiny. When they find out that their belief is flawed they sit down, sulk, and give up. Thor although still sulking has moved on. Thanos, even if he was still alive, did not. Tbh, I felt a tad bit sad for him when he flaked away. I mean, I was clapping my ass off but seeing how sad he was just made me feel a tiny bit bad for him.
ha! Not sure thank you is the appropriate response. But thank you all the same. If you've seen Arrival, I'd direct you to that video. That one is also pretty good. Thanks for watching~~
This entire playlist is a wonderful idea, a great homage to an amazing milestone in cinema history. Great job! Also, I loved this particular video. "Infinity War" in its entirety revolves about this very theme. Each and every one of the heroes is offered the chance to save the universe, if only they kill this individual innocent person. And each of them refuses...In contrast with Thanos.
Valdagast Counter-counterpoint, at least on the trading lives quote: Steve let his morals get in the way of a very preventable situation. I love Vision. He didn't deserve to die. But he was WILLING to die to prevent Thanos from getting the Mind Stone. That's the difference. A consensual sacrifice, alternative to what Thanos forced on Gamora. But Steve said no. Steve's righteousness became a problem in this scenario--look who got the Mind Stone :p
Another difference between Spock‘s scene in Wrath of Khan versus Thanos’ plan in Infinity War is that Spock was not planing to save anyone by just killing himself. Spock saved his crew by repairing the radioactive core, while his death came as an undesired byproduct of the room holding it being hazardous. Likewise, Vision’s first death was a byproduct of Scarlet Witch finally deciding to destroy the Mind Stone, while it still happened to be attached to Vision. According to philosophical principles like “Double Effect”, this would make Spock’s death and Vision’s first death ethically different from scenarios like Star Lord trying to shoot Gamora at her request, Thanos killing Gamora against her will, and Thanos wanting to directly kill half the universe’s population. The latter three scenarios treat murder as the desired solution or means to an end, while the former two have an individual’s death occur as a side-effect. However, Gamora and Star Lord’s scenario is a lot more grey, since Gamora is asking for it out of her own free will and sees herself being alive as a weapon Thanos could use to harm others.
@@cormacb2326 It's basically the difference between deontology and consequentialism. Steve is a deontologist - he believes in absolute moral principles, such as the sanctity of life (I wonder where he stands on abortion). Vision is a consequentialist - he looks more to the consequences of his actions. I think both approaches have their place, but in this case I think I'd go with Vision.
Good to know! Thanks for saying that. Feedback is always appreciated. And thanks for commenting. You might like the arrival essay. Better thought out I think. Thanks for watching
Well thanks! Hope you find the newer videos are delivered the same kind of power. Particularly the Captain's Orders video. Thanks for commenting and of course for watching. :)
I just remembered I never responded to this! Made my day! Thanks for saying it. I hope you had a chance to check out some of the other essays, particularly the Captain's Orders one. I have one on Incredibles 2 in the works which I'm so so stoked for. Spent hours on it this weekend. Hope you stick around
Really good video. What a personally love the most about this scene is that : When Thanos kill Gamora, we feel opposite feelings, we hate Thanos cause he kill a character we've been following and liking for 2 movies, BUT at the same time we feel empathy with Thanos, because for a moment, we share the same feeling, sadness, we see him cry, being crushed by his sadness, seeing him loose the only person he ever loved. Just like us, Thanos is feeling extremly sad, for the same reason as we do. I think this is what this movie do the best, making us hate the hero from the beginning but still making us feel sad about HIS lost.. Sorry for my english, it's not my first language ;)
As she is struggling you can see the mental torment in his face. He doesn't want to do this and would gladly pick any other option...but he has ignored his destiny once already.
It's even more terrifying as the one person who keeps giving sarcasm to gods and titans who could easily snap her neck like a popsicle stick without batting an eye is suddenly scared enough to try to kill herself without a moments' hesitation
New video is live! Worked to make the case I was trying to make at the end of this one before I ran out of time. Enjoy. Think. All that jazz. ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html
The best villains are the ones who *know* they're right. Sure, campy villains being evil for the sake of evil cane be fun, but Thanos never once thinks of himself as the villain. He recognizes that everyone else thinks of him that way, but that demonstrates the strength of his belief.
Awesome question. I actually thought the same thing about Star Lord and Gamora. Star Lord does pull the trigger. I think Thanos preventing it from happening fits the narrative. Only he is allowed to sacrifice others for his ideals. He undoes Wandas sacrifice and then does it himself.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe I guess it could be interpreted that the sacrifice they (Wanda and Starlord) chose to make is not the right path. The one that would work in the long run
As Cap' said: We don't trade lives. Unfortunately, circumstances do and sometimes the good guys have to deal with those inevitable eventualities. The difference is, the good guys don't do this out of the arrogant conviction that they are right, as Thanos did. They do it out of absolute necessity, when they can see literally no other choice, and their own life, and ideals, and integrity, are always part of the sacrifice.
To be fair, what bit Wakanda in the butt was that the king was too half-hearted in his sacrifice... if they just killed the kid, none of that would have happened...
A bit random, but I just wanted to say I love this video. Honestly dude, my immense props to you. A lot of the "Marvelous Scene" videos from the smaller youtubers have been...to put it nicely, not as well put together as I would've liked given the quality of the videos that started the series. But this video was really well done, and I thought your script and delivery was brilliant.
Thank you! And thanks for watching and commenting. If you liked this one at all, I nudge you to check out the newest one that I'll link below. I don't know how to say this without it coming off as a humble-brag, but this "Even for you video" I made in one intense afternoon. The linked video I worked on for a week, and it shows. Hope you check it out. And even if not, thanks for watching. ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html
Cool theory I just came up with Yk how the most basic depictions of good and evil is red and blue when you mix those colors you get purple what color is Thanos, purple. This shows that he’s not as black and white or blue and red as other Marvel villains it shows he asks a genuine moral question. This is why I always say my favorite Marvel character is Thanos.
What made Thanos' evil even worse was how he looked so content and satisfied on the farm. All his "sorrow and love" for Gamora were fleeting lies. Mere hours after he kills her, she's not even worth a second thought. I wanted to reach into the screen and squeeze him apart like an egg. Any father who kills their child should be in hell, at least emotionally.
Captain America is a hero of the world for a reason. He stands for the freedoms of the individual! No matter where they are from. He will stand up to save every single life and trade none. Because that’s what America was founded on. That’s what western civilization has been built upon. There’s a reason the allies fought against Hitler there’s a reason free country’s stood against stalins Russia or mao’s China. The freedom of the individual is what makes our world great. That’s why even if cap isn’t your favorite he’s the one you wish you were
I definitely was thinking about this comment when I made the next video. It is live now if you want to check it out. ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html
Evil. Yes. Loki calls him out in the beginning of Infinity War that Thanos could never be a god. In Endgame, Thanos decides to use the stones to destroy the universe and rebuild it in his image. Bottom line: all his pontificating about doing the best thing for the universe is an excuse to feed his ego. The universe did not matter, only Thanos matters. That is what makes his "sacrifice" of his daughter is self serving compared to Natasha giving her life in Endgame to undo the horror his original snap inflicted on the universe. Natasha was the embodiment of self sacrifice; not only for the whole, but for her friend Clint and his family. It diminishes Thanos. A and when he is dusted by Tony's snap( another moment of self sacrifice) it is fitting because he is a hollow creature. Good video.
@ 3:27 This is the truth our world needs to see. I believe to often our world and our American society has taught that true strength comes from independence or true strength comes from the collective. When in reality true strength comes from self sacrifice. True heroism is not just beating up the bad guy, but putting everyone else before you and your needs for their betterment. If you are willing to sacrifice yourself in place of others then you are a strong hero, our world and our society needs to remember that. *Spoiler for Endgame* As this video explains, Thanos was willing to sacrifice anything to accomplish what he believed would be for the collective good, but in doing so he was never willing to sacrifice himself. By comparing the Soul stone sacrifice scenes in Infinity War and Endgame we can see the stark difference between a villain and a hero, a weak man and a strong hero(s). The same proposition is made in both movies, one must sacrifice that which they love, also put as, a Soul for a Soul. Thanos does not hesitate to sacrifice his daughter for the collective good, while Natasha and Clint argue and fight one another to sacrifice themselves for the collective good. Natasha nor Clint could be reasoned with, they both knew the right thing was for themselves to die and not the other. This is heroism, this is true strength, this is what makes a strong man/woman. Somehow these Marvel movies are teaching better how we should live then any self help book out there (that's probably an exaggeration but I am going with it).
Thanos won the battle cause he was willing to sacrifice everything for his dream. The Avengers won the war cause they were willing to sacrifce there dreams and themselves. I like it cause it shows that yeah, the bad guys can win, but that it is only for a moment. Truly good will always come back stronger.
Nice video. Though I usually cringe when a term like "evil" is used since that eliminates the complexity of the person. Thanos isn't evil. He (in our sensibilities) is sadly misguided and a zealot. Thus he does (in our opinion) do evil things. Saying he's evil is a cheap out. To steal from Obie Wan ... many of the truths we hold dear depend on our point of view. It was super well spelled out what Thanos' point of view was.
Hey Ron. I get that. I know people who work in the prison system and there are many cases where the world wants to say "evil" when the crime came from either poverty of mental illness. So I don't just get the temptation, I agree with you. In my opinion though... as these are postmodern times... It is a good exercise to find the complexity in a person before judging them, but taken too far... we waste our time not judging people when we ought to be finding solutions to the problems the "complicated" people made. Tragic example...school shooters. Sure. They have complicated lives that drive them to murder. But how much of our time should we spend defending them vs. spending time figuring out how to stop more of them from appearing. It's a delicate balance. Not binary. But worth considering that some things aren't nuanced. Genocide isn't nuanced. Who cares what Thanos thinks. Stop him from committing mass genocide. Some logic with Nazis in my other video: ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html Also incidentally I have a video planned juxtaposing Killmonger and the Joker to talk about this precisely. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you stick around
Yet that whole thing is subverted when Strange trades trillions of lives for one (Tony's). Now, that one was eventually traded back for the trillions, but still
Thanks for letting me know. I listen to these things so many times while I’m making em it’s easy to lost track. Feel free to check out the arrival video or the website while I’m working on the next one.
While this video was cut short, it does in its scarcity brilliantly say why Thanos is the villain. Many can side with Thanos because that is their opinion (in which they don't see him as evil), but at least by Marvel's metric where you don't sacrifice others - at least not without them asking for it with good reason - *Thanos is evil* . "Violates the moral core of the MCU" says it all. Even if the video is short, it was well done. Good job, mate
Well, SPOILERS FOR ENDGAME!!! But, aren't Wanda and Quill willing to do the same? And doesn't Endgame end with that same action? Doctor Strange saw all the possible conclusions and in only one does the universe end up saved: the one where Tony dies. And he chooses it. He trades lives. That gives Thanos' actions some weight. Ultimately, if sacrificing your friends is the ultimate evil of the marvel universe, don't Endgame and Infinity War end on the message that morality is more complicated than that. It's too simplistic to say you would never sacrifice a loved one to the greater good, even if the heroes fight that idea tooth and nail, they all end up comong to terms with the fact that they must do just that.
Im sure phase 4 is gonna be alot about grief. And Strange didn't chose to let Tony die. Tony knew to win he had to die so he moved Peter Parker's gonna be fucked tho
No. It's important to pay attention to the fucking context. these things are not comparable. batman wouldn't be a villain if he just shot the joker. there's no mystery, there's no dilemma. intent and context mean everything, and what you are suggesting is very simpleminded.
Hey, thanks for watching. And thanks for the comment. I think there is an important moral difference in that the commanders are ordering troops who have already consented to the risk of death. That is morally important. Like Quill and Wanda try to kill Vision and Gamora. They have volunteered to die. So it's morally different. But this essay isn't meant to advocate for the morality of the marvel universe, merely show a version of it. The next video I made crosses the line from fantasy to reality. You might like it if you're thinking this way. Also feel free to comment below that one with similar criticism. I'm open to being critiqued so I can stay sharp, and maybe learn something. It's linked below: ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html
Thank you! Thanks for commenting, too. I made the second video I talked about at the end. And, if I do say so my self, it is even better than this one. Link below. Hope you stick around :) ua-cam.com/video/9Ijm-LX8HG8/v-deo.html
I mean... _That makes sense to me._ Then again, I've never fought a war. A rare disease runs in my blood (Loeys-Dietz) and "it" killed. In my reality, death is a consequence, and not a choice. Combat is alien, as is a community born of violence... I'm no soldier. Death is no alien, and it's impact is as real (and familiar) as anything. In a sense, I feel like a lot of us are blinded by a cushion of non-violence. In other words, these stories are born of violence. They almost revel in violence. The focus is on the consequence of violence. The most impactful consequence of violence is death. Death born from violence is usually murder, no? *Murder...* How many of us can even come close to relating? I guess I'm trying to say "I think that makes him evil." is a little too much from my point of view. Thanos is a villain in my eyes. Thanos is evil in my eyes. I'm rambling, and am strongly considering deleting this post. I may do so, but for now I'll still say it "out loud." Murder and violence... Our super hero stories revolve around murder and violence. Make of that what you will.
I want to add to your point on how Thanos violates the moral core of the MCU.I think you can even say he stands on the opposite end of the spectrum of everything (including the morals) of the Avengers. The greatest villain is always the opposite of the hero (or in this case, heroes), as they say. Thanos is the embodiment of the "anti-Avengers." One on one Thanos is able to match up against every strong attribute of the Avengers. You name it... Hulk's strength, Tony's intellect, Cap's will. I'm sure if you analyze it enough you can come up with more. It was only when ALL the Avengers had come together were they even able to stand a chance against him.
Wouldn’t have letting Gamora kill herself pretty much be sacrificing her, clearly Thanos knew she was about to and stopped it, meaning if he had just let her kill herself in a way he would have sacrificed her by letting her do that. Which makes denying her sacrifice (even if it would have been in vain) even more twisted. Of course this is all speculation and, Spoilers for Endgame beyond this point, the whole sacrifice thing is made even more confusing in Endgame.
By this logic Doctor Strange is also evil. He made it clear to Tony he was willing to sacrifice him or Peter for the Time Stone, and ultimately did sacrifice Tony for the greater good.
Well thank you :) Hope you stick around. I did finally finish the follow up video "Capatin's Orders" if you want to check that one out... I spend about 5x the amount of time on the second one as this one. Possible also 5x the heart.
I disagree. Killing Gamora does not make him evil. He did it for the sake of every civilization. In his eyes he is saving everyone and I think you can make the case that he did. Especially because we now know about celestials and how they are born. Thanos is wrong for his execution. If he had done what he did differently, he would be THE hero of the entire universe. And because his goal was to save EVERYONE, killing some guys who oppose him isn't that bad. He doesn't enjoy killing, he even expresses how he lost everything after accomplishing his mission. I even think the movies kind of agree with me. Thanos won by giving it his all, sacrificing his own daughter, crippling himself and letting go of the power he held, because he won. The avengers lost because they weren't willing to do what it takes to win. But in Endgame they do win precisely because Tony realizes this. He gives it his all, willing to do what Thanos did 5 years prior by giving his all to win. I understand I may have read between the lines and have a biased view on certain scenes while not mentioning others, however, I truly believe that Thanos is not a bad person. What he believes in is good. He is just biased in believing that violence is necessary. And no, I don't mean doubling the world's resources, that is an idiotic idea... That literally would lead to more overconsumption and because of exponential growth would also lead to barely visible results on the long term. Help. That is what Thanos should have given. And education. Those are the virtues that Thanos is missing. But killing Gamora was not an evil act.
Interesting. So I hope you're subscribed. I"m actually writing a video now about Killmonger vs. the Joker and the very distinction you are unpacking. Thanks for watching and commenting. Should be a couple weeks before it's done.
I think the Russos and Fiege show the evil in being too willing to sacrifice others. Thanos has this cold blooded logic he relies on but it's easy to poke holes in his 1/2 population scheme. Meanwhile the heroes will painfully make sacrifices showing the inherent value in every life.
Well both Wanda and Starlord made that same play so what do you think of them? (Yes I get that their play is undone but the attempt is still there with both of them)
Another person by the name of SunScourge already said this, Gamora and Vision asked for Starlord and Wanda to do what they tried to do. No one asked Thanos to do that, and that’s what makes him evil, even if he thinks he is helping.
Strange that you cut your analysis so short, because I feel like you missed a crucial point here. What got me about Infinity War, is that the difference between the heroes and the villains boiled down to consent. Vision asked Wanda to kill him, making it okay for her to make that choice. Gamora was not on board with Thanos' plan. Thanos' problem isn't that he's willing to sacrifice his daughter, it's that he won't effing listen to her. Like somehow even though he's really smart it has never occurred to him that if you're *the only person in the entire universe* who thinks something is right, then you're probably wrong. Other people's opinions and preferences do matter, and should matter to you. You should question your beliefs when confronted by the stories that other people tell of their experiences. Thanos refuses to do that, imo that's why he's evil.
Me: Even if Thanos truly and honestly thought it was for the greater good, he shouldn't have thrown Gamora off the ledge. Also Me: Joel in The Last Of Us is a selfish SOB for not letting Ellie be used to find a cure for the cordyceps!
Yeah I didn't notice myself until I watched it 19 and a half times making this video lol Thanks for watching! Hope you can check out some of my other work.
Hey there. Noted. This was one of my earliest video essays. Not too sure what I was doing then. The newer ones should be up to snuff. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
!! Thanos demands your silence !! 🙊🙉🙈 Can you edit this with a spoilers thing? I know that’s crazy. You totally don’t have to. It’s pretty vague. I’m not going to delete it or anything. I’m just hyped for this movie. But also... Ugh.. yes. Punched me in the heart. (Moral opposite of this scenario as well)
Not every MCU movies do that collective good vs individual right thing, not every. That's one exception. The most OP Captain Marvel, what she did is never because of collective good or individual right but just because she can do whatever she want as a lady mary sue.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe dude, 2:48 Sharon Carter gave that speech in the MCU but in the comics Cap gave that speech to Spiderman. In my opinion Sharon wasn't given anything to do so she's a wasted character in my eyes. In the MCU Cap should have given that speech to maybe Ironman when he challenged Cap's morals regarding the Accords.
Oh! Duh. Tree speech makes total sense. I didn’t know it was given by someone else in the comics. I didn’t mind because I didn’t have any expectations.
Haha this made me bust out laughing walking down the sidewalk. Three of the most encouraging words I’ve read in a while. Thanks for watching and hope you stick around for more videos :)
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"I think that makes him evil."
Guys. He's onto something here.
Lol. This comment makes me laugh every time. I see it.
Yeah, totally unlike Stannis Baratheon who sacrefices his Daughter for good Reasons^^
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I loved the video. Great analysis!
Glad I could make you laugh!
@@Stickweasel91 So I'm actually thinking of doing a series on Villains. Not sure if you've watched the Captain's Orders video which is imo better than this by leaps and bounds. But in that one I go into a little more depth on evil within society.
This comment and me following my own nose has me thinking about doing a Killmonger vs. Joker video that ends similarly to the Captain's orders video. But with a different issue of course.
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To be fair, Peter was willing to kill Gamora and Wanda was willing to kill Vision for the greater good as well, but only because Gamora and Vision begged for it. That's the difference; no one asked Thanos to do what he does. I suppose that does make him evil, even if he's only doing what he considers to be necessary. Very good essay!
Right. This is a good point. Also Thanos stops them and does it himself later.
one thing most poeple don't seem to cinsider in wherther thanos is evil or not is why he does it... most poeple go in to it wih th assumption that the universe would be fine withuht thonas or his plan because they simply see him as an antoganist... but don't forget, he does it to save the universe... and even for their nation, a lot of people are willing to kill, which is why volunteer armies like the us armies haven't run out of soldiers! yet people just dismiss thonas killing one person to save the universe as evil!
I think another thing is the timing, Wanda only had the will to kill Vision when Thanos was on the door steps of victory. And Peter only had the will to do it when Thanos had Gamora in his hands; which is actually a slight against Gamora if she really wanted to stop Thanos in his tracks she would have killed herself earlier.
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While I do agree with you on those points, I think this was setting up a contrast of self-sacrifice vs sacrificing others. In Infinity war, we see that every sacrifice of others leads to failure/defeat of the Avengers, but the ultimate final mic drop was of the self-sacrifice of tony stark.
@@SSDsmiley True, for them there truly was no other way, which makes killing a loved one more understandable. Thanos was very convinced that there was no other way to save the universe, but that makes him the Mad (and shortsighted) Titan. (in this, I find it interesting to contrast him to Tony's pursuits of clean energy via arc reactor tech, tackling the resource problem in a very different way!)
Violates the moral core of the MCU... man. That's perfect. More people need to see this one.
Well thank you! I’m conked out from staying up uber late to watch endgame but am working on another one about the political tension in winter soldier and black panther.
When to break unjust laws - based on the “I’m not gonna launch the ships” scene.
In the meantime though you might like the arrival video I made. Even better thought out than this one.
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That Makes Sense To Me Definitely gonna check that Arrival one out. I see Endgame tomorrow. Can't wait!
remember how cap and iron man were almost ready to kill each other over bucky?
"The hardest choices require the strongest wills."
"The hardest choices require the strongest wills."*
The hardest wills require the strongest choices
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Not that I’m defending Thanos or anything, he’s clearly in the wrong, but I think this is why he deserved to win, and why he DID win. Obviously everyone’s gathered by now that you can view the movie as Thanos as the protagonist. If you do, this scene is him making the hardest choice ever to reach his end goal and accomplish what he thinks is the “greater good.” That’s why he wins.
Just an amazing villain, best one I’ve seen in a movie in years.
This is why the prequels are way better if you view Palpatine as the protagonist that ties all the movies together. He's the only one with clear, delineated goals (take over the Senate, create a military force under his control, undermine and dismantle the Jedi), who conceives a master plan to achieve them, and by the climax of each of the movies, accomplishes all of them.
Not *good* mind you, but better...
@@TheSchaef47 Hell yeah. By far the best character in the prequels.
Bartholomew Thundercat III the “greater good” is pretty dubious for Thanos. His plan ignores even the most basic questions of ecology, and he’s more than willing to kill everyone else.
That he kills his daughter is irrelevant - his abusive disregard for his children is well documented, he just worships his own “destiny.”
Thanos isn’t a great villain, he’s just an overpowered self-centered jerk with delusions of destiny.
Justanotherconsumer Then why are you watching this?
Bartholomew Thundercat III just going through the 1MS playlist.
Is the concept of hearing people that disagree such a revolutionary concept, though?
Honestly, is someone could explain why Thanos is so great with solid explanations, I’d like to hear it. All I see with him is claims that he’s complex without any actual justification. The “greater good” defined as little more than a desire to be an hero, the Obviously Evil goon squad, the gratuitous kick the dog moments of cruelty, the self-satisfied smugness... this is just commercial off the shelf villain, nothing special.
In his statement that afterwards, he would rest on the farm- he shows that he *knows* he will survive the snap. He will sacrifice anyone-- but not himself.
100% I like that framing.
He says it's "random" and "fair" but he's not about to take his own life.
Because he knows if he died too someone would just take the stones and reverse the snap.
GumGumOnigiri Exactlly. After destroying them in Endgame, he was ready to die. The work was done.
Hmmm.. the goal is to kill half of all population, to evoid catastrophies, his own people is already dead, so he will not kill the last person of this species..
Same principe that will not make him kill half of the remain of Gamora's people. Because they are already balanced.
@@ludos1963 but he doesn't do that for the asguardians. They've already been decimated when he kills half of them in the ship. And then he dusts another half of them. So they are literally down from a race of people to one tiny village of people (and no reason or evidence he didn't dust half of gamora's remaining people).
He's a big picture kinda guy. I don't think he sweated the edge cases. But he clearly knew he would survive. It makes me wonder about his original plan on Titan too.
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I think this scene when compared to the Nat and Clint scene in endgame really exemplifies the point you were making in this video, where Thanos sacrificed his daughter against her wishes, Nat and Clint were literally fighting each other over who sacrificed themselves for the other.
100%
If I hadn't spent the week making a totally different video .. I would've somehow added that into whatever I was doing.
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My most Marvelous has to be the ghost Dr.Strange and the Ancient One talking to each other trapped in a single moment, right before she dies. The visuals,the music ,the atmosphere. I'm 23 and I've been pondering about death since that scene. "We don't get to choose our time...." . It still haunts me . Even the Ancient one was vulnerable and scared of death and wanted to hold hands with someone .
I actually got a chill reading that. Well said. Your reflection on the scene just added something to it I wouldn't have otherwise noticed.
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Yep. Amazing scene even though the movie as a whole was nothing too crazy . But that got to me .
"Death is what gives life meaning. To know your days are numbered. Your time is short. To think after all this time I'd be ready .But look at me... stretching one moment out into a thousand. Just so I can watch the snow"
This scene cememted Thanos to me as not only the best MCU villain but one of the best characters in the MCU. One of the most layered, complex, and deep characters period. I didn't expect the movie to show so much emotion out of a villain I was close to tears when that scene came up I felt for the villain of the movie that shows how great of a villain they created and a testatement to Josh Brolin phenomenal performance (seriously he makes you feel for him, he can make you feel uneasy, sad, or even terrified and yet I completely understood where he's coming from) and the amazing writing by Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely who unfortunately many of the times get overlooked. I love how you presented what Thanos did as violating the moral of the MCU; really emphasized Thanos as the ultimate villain of the MCU.
Not about to fight ya about which the best villain is, but if you're looking for emotion in a villain you can't go wrong with Killmonger.
I mention him the video I just released.
Pretty low bar tbh. I mean, Loki is considered a "good" villain in the MCU.
Snakr aside, no, I don't see "layers" there. Thanos is on a cosmic ego trip to push his deranged vision onto the universe and just because he spouses the tired man-feels cliche (which Brolin delivers perfectly, don't get me wrong), people think there is more than a twisted abuser there? He literally threw Gomorra off a cliff less than 10 minutes after he tortured her mutilated sister in front of her. And just because he sheds a few tears, he is layered?
Everything he does, he does for one reason: To satisfy his ego. To have a universe "grateful" for his rampage.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe Sry for the late response, yeah Killmonger has really good emotional beats and depth but overall in terms of all the other things I think Thanos is the better overall villain.
@Ricardo Milos Yep, just minus the "ego trip" part I definitely don't think that's representative of his character.
Because of his crying, you can see that on an emotional level, Thanos KNEW that what he was doing is wrong. And that is the definition of premeditated murder, and truly doing evil.
Totally hadn’t thought of that. But love it. Not just evil. Premeditated evil.
Just shuddered a little thinking of it
It also helps show that Thanos truly is "Mad". He's so broken by his grief over what happened to his world, so *convinced* he could've saved them, that even compared to the one thing in his life he thinks he did "right"(doesn't seem too bothered by her betrayal, just oddly proud of how strong she is in her convictions and such) he's willing to literally throw that thing one right thing away.
He's The Mad Titan, and his Madness is linked to his belief in *doing what he thinks is right* no matter the cost.
I don't think he knew it was wrong on any level. I think he was crying his child was about to die.
Crying only shows he is in pain. Not that he thinks it is wrong. He's losing something he cares about-- it hurts him. It's not about Gamora dying-- it's all about Thanos. I'd cry over losing a dog too. People decide to have their dogs put to sleep every day. They cry.
It's a blended mixture of concern for the pet's quality of life but *also* about money. Most people just can't afford to spend $10,000 to heal your sick pet. So you choose between it living or dying. You could *technically* afford it. But it would be break normal people financially.
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$10,000 is enough to save someone's life via Malaria prevention chairty.
So glad that nando made this series, it's introducing me to so many great creators.
Wish I could comment a GIF of a dorky character saying thanks.
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The one scene that made me sob. The music, the acting from Zoe and Josh Brolin. Great choice man
Thank you!
This scene reminds of one quote. "That being, One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic". Thanks doesn't weep for the millions he snapped, that had lives of their own. He weeps for Gamora, the only person he had some semblance of a life with.
Yeah I always find that quote troubling... but it feels honest to how we process things sometimes. If the death has no face or story, we tend not to feel it.
Infinity War Thanos > Endgame Thanos
Obviously. It's his movie.
You're deluding yourself if you think Thanos wasn't his true self in Endgame. Unwilling to do what is good for all. He would rather do what HE wants instead of what is objectively better; consequences, family, the UNIVERSE be damned. Shhh. No spoliers before the 2 week mark. (common courtesy) He is canonically more himself than he's ever been on screen. Because before it was just a mission. His warped sense of honor kept him from killing unneccessarily. In Endgame, he's livid.
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Infinity war thanos had made his decision. He had thought out what he was going to do already. Endgame thanos however was from the past and had seen the future and his death. This led him to change his character and decision. His original goal with the infinity stones was to carry on life by wiping out half of it so the other half could live easier. Since endgame thanos had seen the future and his death, not accepting fate, he decided that the only way to carry on life was to make new life since the other half of life he killed could not accept what happened. This led to endgame thanos being more murderous and evil like how a classic villain would be portrayed while infinity war thanos was more portrayed as a villain with kind of good intents behind his actions. Endgame thanos even admits to enjoying the massacre of life he is about to commit while infinity war thanos’ only intent is to help and is only forced to kill when necessary. This explains why the only avenger he attempted to kill was iron man because he was the only one he viewed as a threat.
They're the same character, that rage we saw in Endgame was clearly there in IW, he just didn't get any screentime in endgame.
Harrison Lane he did it’s just he’s not the main character in endgame as he was in IW
I love the unspoken friendship of Cap and T’Challa in infinity war that has apparently developed off screen but makes a lot of sense when you think about the two characters
Right?!
Also have you seen endgame yet?
That Makes Sense To Me yes! SPOILER They even showed them give a nod to each other, and that was a little detail I think went unnoticed for a lot of people. Also makes me a little sad that we aren’t going to see more of that relationship. Although I think there is a Black Panther/Captain America comic not tied to the movies but it’s a team up I would love to see more
Before watching the video I thought that “I ignored my destiny once”’ would have been a better title, but your points make perfect sense with the title. Outstanding video. I hope you blow up soon.
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I think that this also puts further reason into the amount of anger he has in Endgame. (These aren't really spoilers for it tho.) He sees that he sacrifices possibly the only person he's ever had a chance to love.
Now for spoilers.
He also sees that Thor beheads him...and he says...that's my destiny....and is proud of it...HE'S PROUD OF THAT!
He's happy even though he sees himself get killed because he's accomplished his goal. He's content. Until he sees that no one else is content...so he wants to start the whole universe over. In his mind, he gave up everything, his planet, his children, his daughter, and his own life but beyond all of that he feels that it's all because it's his destiny. And now to see that no one is grateful to him, he'll erase everyone and make one that is. He doesn't want to see the entire universe turn into Titan. He wants it to flourish, in his own way.
Both Thanos and Thor believe in Destiny. When they find out that their belief is flawed they sit down, sulk, and give up. Thor although still sulking has moved on.
Thanos, even if he was still alive, did not. Tbh, I felt a tad bit sad for him when he flaked away. I mean, I was clapping my ass off but seeing how sad he was just made me feel a tiny bit bad for him.
I was wondering why I hadn’t seen this mentioned yet in all the other videos. If I were to pick a scene this one is definitely at the top of the list.
Feckin hell mate, you made me cry. I completely agree. What Thanos did was utterly evil.
ha! Not sure thank you is the appropriate response. But thank you all the same.
If you've seen Arrival, I'd direct you to that video. That one is also pretty good.
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This entire playlist is a wonderful idea, a great homage to an amazing milestone in cinema history. Great job!
Also, I loved this particular video. "Infinity War" in its entirety revolves about this very theme. Each and every one of the heroes is offered the chance to save the universe, if only they kill this individual innocent person. And each of them refuses...In contrast with Thanos.
Starlord didn't refuse.
Wanda didn't refuse.
Dr. Strange ultimately ended sacrificing untold amounts.
"There's one character who does"
I mean, Peter tried to so I think that counts for something.
Point: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
Counterpoint: "We don't trade lives."
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Counter-counterpoint, at least on the trading lives quote: Steve let his morals get in the way of a very preventable situation.
I love Vision. He didn't deserve to die. But he was WILLING to die to prevent Thanos from getting the Mind Stone. That's the difference. A consensual sacrifice, alternative to what Thanos forced on Gamora. But Steve said no.
Steve's righteousness became a problem in this scenario--look who got the Mind Stone :p
Another difference between Spock‘s scene in Wrath of Khan versus Thanos’ plan in Infinity War is that Spock was not planing to save anyone by just killing himself. Spock saved his crew by repairing the radioactive core, while his death came as an undesired byproduct of the room holding it being hazardous. Likewise, Vision’s first death was a byproduct of Scarlet Witch finally deciding to destroy the Mind Stone, while it still happened to be attached to Vision.
According to philosophical principles like “Double Effect”, this would make Spock’s death and Vision’s first death ethically different from scenarios like Star Lord trying to shoot Gamora at her request, Thanos killing Gamora against her will, and Thanos wanting to directly kill half the universe’s population. The latter three scenarios treat murder as the desired solution or means to an end, while the former two have an individual’s death occur as a side-effect. However, Gamora and Star Lord’s scenario is a lot more grey, since Gamora is asking for it out of her own free will and sees herself being alive as a weapon Thanos could use to harm others.
So basically Steve is too concerned with his own moral purity than the actual lives of others?
@@cormacb2326 It's basically the difference between deontology and consequentialism. Steve is a deontologist - he believes in absolute moral principles, such as the sanctity of life (I wonder where he stands on abortion). Vision is a consequentialist - he looks more to the consequences of his actions. I think both approaches have their place, but in this case I think I'd go with Vision.
Bro you have to talk about the amazing soundtrack in that scene. I mean come on. It's a gift to humanity.
The whole video felt one or two decibels too low, but otherwise your delivery was clearly driven, backed by content, and full of emotion.
Good to know! Thanks for saying that. Feedback is always appreciated.
And thanks for commenting. You might like the arrival essay. Better thought out I think.
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A great Villian...believes in his own mind that he is the Hero.
lol
that ending was one marvelous moment
Thank you!!
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I dont know what it is but there’s something about your delivery in this video that gives it so much more gravity.
Well thanks! Hope you find the newer videos are delivered the same kind of power. Particularly the Captain's Orders video.
Thanks for commenting and of course for watching. :)
Holy shit, this was a good video especially for someone with 1k sub. This is at least 100k Subs worthy.
I just remembered I never responded to this! Made my day! Thanks for saying it. I hope you had a chance to check out some of the other essays, particularly the Captain's Orders one.
I have one on Incredibles 2 in the works which I'm so so stoked for. Spent hours on it this weekend. Hope you stick around
This video is highly underrated. IMO one of, if not the best in the “one marvelous scene” playlist
Really good video.
What a personally love the most about this scene is that :
When Thanos kill Gamora, we feel opposite feelings, we hate Thanos cause he kill a character we've been following and liking for 2 movies, BUT at the same time we feel empathy with Thanos, because for a moment, we share the same feeling, sadness, we see him cry, being crushed by his sadness, seeing him loose the only person he ever loved. Just like us, Thanos is feeling extremly sad, for the same reason as we do.
I think this is what this movie do the best, making us hate the hero from the beginning but still making us feel sad about HIS lost..
Sorry for my english, it's not my first language ;)
As she is struggling you can see the mental torment in his face. He doesn't want to do this and would gladly pick any other option...but he has ignored his destiny once already.
It's even more terrifying as the one person who keeps giving sarcasm to gods and titans who could easily snap her neck like a popsicle stick without batting an eye is suddenly scared enough to try to kill herself without a moments' hesitation
Quality-of-analysis-wise, this is right up there with the original One Marvelous Scene playlist. Great job!
Thank you :) hope you stick around.
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This is on the same level as the originators of one marvellous scene , well done .
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I thing not being willing to sacrifice those you care about for the greater good is somewhat selfish, making Thanos incredibly selfless.
It’s not selfish if you’re not willing to sacrifice anyone else for your beliefs, but it is if you’re only willing to sacrifice people you don’t know.
The best villains are the ones who *know* they're right. Sure, campy villains being evil for the sake of evil cane be fun, but Thanos never once thinks of himself as the villain. He recognizes that everyone else thinks of him that way, but that demonstrates the strength of his belief.
You nailed it. Thought I was the only one who thought about the scene this way.
What about Wanda sacrificing Vision?
Awesome question. I actually thought the same thing about Star Lord and Gamora. Star Lord does pull the trigger. I think Thanos preventing it from happening fits the narrative. Only he is allowed to sacrifice others for his ideals. He undoes Wandas sacrifice and then does it himself.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe I guess it could be interpreted that the sacrifice they (Wanda and Starlord) chose to make is not the right path. The one that would work in the long run
@@youen5567 Love it. That's a much better way of saying it
@@youen5567 really, it's because they asked. gamora didn't have a choice. that's the difference.
As Cap' said: We don't trade lives. Unfortunately, circumstances do and sometimes the good guys have to deal with those inevitable eventualities. The difference is, the good guys don't do this out of the arrogant conviction that they are right, as Thanos did. They do it out of absolute necessity, when they can see literally no other choice, and their own life, and ideals, and integrity, are always part of the sacrifice.
This one was really good. Well formatted and scripted. Great explanation. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
To be fair, what bit Wakanda in the butt was that the king was too half-hearted in his sacrifice... if they just killed the kid, none of that would have happened...
I love these One Marvelous scene videos
A bit random, but I just wanted to say I love this video. Honestly dude, my immense props to you. A lot of the "Marvelous Scene" videos from the smaller youtubers have been...to put it nicely, not as well put together as I would've liked given the quality of the videos that started the series. But this video was really well done, and I thought your script and delivery was brilliant.
Thank you!
And thanks for watching and commenting.
If you liked this one at all, I nudge you to check out the newest one that I'll link below.
I don't know how to say this without it coming off as a humble-brag, but this "Even for you video" I made in one intense afternoon. The linked video I worked on for a week, and it shows.
Hope you check it out. And even if not, thanks for watching.
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A hero would sacrifice you to save the world. A villain would sacrifice the world to save you
Or sacrifice the truth to save themselves.
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I would love to see the rest of what you had planned. This was fantastic!
Ooo.. This is good to hear. I was on the fence about making the rest of the video. I have the outline and much of the script done. But wasn’t sure.
" We don't trade lives"
Cool theory I just came up with
Yk how the most basic depictions of good and evil is red and blue when you mix those colors you get purple what color is Thanos, purple. This shows that he’s not as black and white or blue and red as other Marvel villains it shows he asks a genuine moral question.
This is why I always say my favorite Marvel character is Thanos.
I cannot wait for the more videos to come in the future after this weekend 👍🏻👌🏼
Fantastic video, keep it up man, you’ve earned a like.
Thank you!
Working on two new ones now. And you may also like the arrival video.
Much appreciated
A movie that makes you question whether your villain is evil or not is doing something right.
Agreed. This is why I want to analyze Killmonger soon.
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What made Thanos' evil even worse was how he looked so content and satisfied on the farm.
All his "sorrow and love" for Gamora were fleeting lies. Mere hours after he kills her, she's not even worth a second thought. I wanted to reach into the screen and squeeze him apart like an egg.
Any father who kills their child should be in hell, at least emotionally.
Goodness. Well said. Exactly. He's happy with "the work"
(Shudders)
You should finish it. So what if you know how it ends; you've got something to say.
I did! It’s on the channel. Called “Captain’s Orders.”
Captain America is a hero of the world for a reason. He stands for the freedoms of the individual! No matter where they are from. He will stand up to save every single life and trade none. Because that’s what America was founded on. That’s what western civilization has been built upon. There’s a reason the allies fought against Hitler there’s a reason free country’s stood against stalins Russia or mao’s China. The freedom of the individual is what makes our world great. That’s why even if cap isn’t your favorite he’s the one you wish you were
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Evil. Yes. Loki calls him out in the beginning of Infinity War that Thanos could never be a god. In Endgame, Thanos decides to use the stones to destroy the universe and rebuild it in his image. Bottom line: all his pontificating about doing the best thing for the universe is an excuse to feed his ego. The universe did not matter, only Thanos matters. That is what makes his "sacrifice" of his daughter is self serving compared to Natasha giving her life in Endgame to undo the horror his original snap inflicted on the universe. Natasha was the embodiment of self sacrifice; not only for the whole, but for her friend Clint and his family. It diminishes Thanos. A and when he is dusted by Tony's snap( another moment of self sacrifice) it is fitting because he is a hollow creature. Good video.
Nice video! Love the choice of th scene and the interpretation of the meaning of it.
incredible video! love your insight!
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it
Omg you deserve soo many subscribers!
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@ 3:27 This is the truth our world needs to see. I believe to often our world and our American society has taught that true strength comes from independence or true strength comes from the collective. When in reality true strength comes from self sacrifice. True heroism is not just beating up the bad guy, but putting everyone else before you and your needs for their betterment. If you are willing to sacrifice yourself in place of others then you are a strong hero, our world and our society needs to remember that.
*Spoiler for Endgame*
As this video explains, Thanos was willing to sacrifice anything to accomplish what he believed would be for the collective good, but in doing so he was never willing to sacrifice himself. By comparing the Soul stone sacrifice scenes in Infinity War and Endgame we can see the stark difference between a villain and a hero, a weak man and a strong hero(s). The same proposition is made in both movies, one must sacrifice that which they love, also put as, a Soul for a Soul. Thanos does not hesitate to sacrifice his daughter for the collective good, while Natasha and Clint argue and fight one another to sacrifice themselves for the collective good. Natasha nor Clint could be reasoned with, they both knew the right thing was for themselves to die and not the other. This is heroism, this is true strength, this is what makes a strong man/woman. Somehow these Marvel movies are teaching better how we should live then any self help book out there (that's probably an exaggeration but I am going with it).
You got some talent and *that makes sense to me.*
Why thank you :)
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I like to pause... to build... suspense
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Thanos won the battle cause he was willing to sacrifice everything for his dream. The Avengers won the war cause they were willing to sacrifce there dreams and themselves. I like it cause it shows that yeah, the bad guys can win, but that it is only for a moment. Truly good will always come back stronger.
Nice video!
Thank you! I made the second one if you want to check it out. :)
Nice video. Though I usually cringe when a term like "evil" is used since that eliminates the complexity of the person. Thanos isn't evil. He (in our sensibilities) is sadly misguided and a zealot. Thus he does (in our opinion) do evil things. Saying he's evil is a cheap out. To steal from Obie Wan ... many of the truths we hold dear depend on our point of view. It was super well spelled out what Thanos' point of view was.
Hey Ron.
I get that. I know people who work in the prison system and there are many cases where the world wants to say "evil" when the crime came from either poverty of mental illness. So I don't just get the temptation, I agree with you.
In my opinion though... as these are postmodern times... It is a good exercise to find the complexity in a person before judging them, but taken too far... we waste our time not judging people when we ought to be finding solutions to the problems the "complicated" people made.
Tragic example...school shooters. Sure. They have complicated lives that drive them to murder. But how much of our time should we spend defending them vs. spending time figuring out how to stop more of them from appearing.
It's a delicate balance. Not binary. But worth considering that some things aren't nuanced. Genocide isn't nuanced. Who cares what Thanos thinks. Stop him from committing mass genocide.
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Also incidentally I have a video planned juxtaposing Killmonger and the Joker to talk about this precisely.
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Yet that whole thing is subverted when Strange trades trillions of lives for one (Tony's). Now, that one was eventually traded back for the trillions, but still
I wouldn't call a temporary disappearance sacrificing lives if he knew for a fact they would come back, which its implied he did
@@harrylane4 traded, not sacrificed
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But I do find your sound levels at the start, very jarring. Also very low at the end.
Thanks for letting me know. I listen to these things so many times while I’m making em it’s easy to lost track. Feel free to check out the arrival video or the website while I’m working on the next one.
While this video was cut short, it does in its scarcity brilliantly say why Thanos is the villain. Many can side with Thanos because that is their opinion (in which they don't see him as evil), but at least by Marvel's metric where you don't sacrifice others - at least not without them asking for it with good reason - *Thanos is evil* .
"Violates the moral core of the MCU" says it all. Even if the video is short, it was well done. Good job, mate
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Thanos didn’t realize that when he destroyed the time stone Dormamu will return
Yeah Thanos didn't come to bargain.
Well, SPOILERS FOR ENDGAME!!!
But, aren't Wanda and Quill willing to do the same?
And doesn't Endgame end with that same action?
Doctor Strange saw all the possible conclusions and in only one does the universe end up saved: the one where Tony dies.
And he chooses it. He trades lives.
That gives Thanos' actions some weight. Ultimately, if sacrificing your friends is the ultimate evil of the marvel universe, don't Endgame and Infinity War end on the message that morality is more complicated than that. It's too simplistic to say you would never sacrifice a loved one to the greater good, even if the heroes fight that idea tooth and nail, they all end up comong to terms with the fact that they must do just that.
Im sure phase 4 is gonna be alot about grief. And Strange didn't chose to let Tony die. Tony knew to win he had to die so he moved
Peter Parker's gonna be fucked tho
No.
It's important to pay attention to the fucking context. these things are not comparable. batman wouldn't be a villain if he just shot the joker. there's no mystery, there's no dilemma. intent and context mean everything, and what you are suggesting is very simpleminded.
Willingness to sacrifice others makes one evil? Commanders in war face this decision. To call them evil is too simple of a way to think
Hey, thanks for watching. And thanks for the comment.
I think there is an important moral difference in that the commanders are ordering troops who have already consented to the risk of death. That is morally important. Like Quill and Wanda try to kill Vision and Gamora.
They have volunteered to die. So it's morally different.
But this essay isn't meant to advocate for the morality of the marvel universe, merely show a version of it.
The next video I made crosses the line from fantasy to reality. You might like it if you're thinking this way.
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Brilliant video.
Thank you! Glad you liked it
this was amazing
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I mean... _That makes sense to me._ Then again, I've never fought a war. A rare disease runs in my blood (Loeys-Dietz) and "it" killed. In my reality, death is a consequence, and not a choice. Combat is alien, as is a community born of violence... I'm no soldier. Death is no alien, and it's impact is as real (and familiar) as anything.
In a sense, I feel like a lot of us are blinded by a cushion of non-violence. In other words, these stories are born of violence. They almost revel in violence. The focus is on the consequence of violence. The most impactful consequence of violence is death. Death born from violence is usually murder, no? *Murder...* How many of us can even come close to relating?
I guess I'm trying to say "I think that makes him evil." is a little too much from my point of view. Thanos is a villain in my eyes. Thanos is evil in my eyes. I'm rambling, and am strongly considering deleting this post. I may do so, but for now I'll still say it "out loud." Murder and violence... Our super hero stories revolve around murder and violence. Make of that what you will.
I want to add to your point on how Thanos violates the moral core of the MCU.I think you can even say he stands on the opposite end of the spectrum of everything (including the morals) of the Avengers. The greatest villain is always the opposite of the hero (or in this case, heroes), as they say. Thanos is the embodiment of the "anti-Avengers." One on one Thanos is able to match up against every strong attribute of the Avengers. You name it... Hulk's strength, Tony's intellect, Cap's will. I'm sure if you analyze it enough you can come up with more. It was only when ALL the Avengers had come together were they even able to stand a chance against him.
Wouldn’t have letting Gamora kill herself pretty much be sacrificing her, clearly Thanos knew she was about to and stopped it, meaning if he had just let her kill herself in a way he would have sacrificed her by letting her do that. Which makes denying her sacrifice (even if it would have been in vain) even more twisted. Of course this is all speculation and, Spoilers for Endgame beyond this point,
the whole sacrifice thing is made even more confusing in Endgame.
By this logic Doctor Strange is also evil. He made it clear to Tony he was willing to sacrifice him or Peter for the Time Stone, and ultimately did sacrifice Tony for the greater good.
This video has so much heart into it. Well done, definitely rivals Nano V Movies #onemarvelousscene
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I disagree. Killing Gamora does not make him evil. He did it for the sake of every civilization. In his eyes he is saving everyone and I think you can make the case that he did. Especially because we now know about celestials and how they are born. Thanos is wrong for his execution. If he had done what he did differently, he would be THE hero of the entire universe. And because his goal was to save EVERYONE, killing some guys who oppose him isn't that bad. He doesn't enjoy killing, he even expresses how he lost everything after accomplishing his mission. I even think the movies kind of agree with me. Thanos won by giving it his all, sacrificing his own daughter, crippling himself and letting go of the power he held, because he won. The avengers lost because they weren't willing to do what it takes to win. But in Endgame they do win precisely because Tony realizes this. He gives it his all, willing to do what Thanos did 5 years prior by giving his all to win.
I understand I may have read between the lines and have a biased view on certain scenes while not mentioning others, however, I truly believe that Thanos is not a bad person. What he believes in is good. He is just biased in believing that violence is necessary. And no, I don't mean doubling the world's resources, that is an idiotic idea... That literally would lead to more overconsumption and because of exponential growth would also lead to barely visible results on the long term. Help. That is what Thanos should have given. And education. Those are the virtues that Thanos is missing. But killing Gamora was not an evil act.
I think it made him morally corrupt, not evil. The Red Skull, toats evil.
Interesting. So I hope you're subscribed. I"m actually writing a video now about Killmonger vs. the Joker and the very distinction you are unpacking. Thanks for watching and commenting. Should be a couple weeks before it's done.
I think the Russos and Fiege show the evil in being too willing to sacrifice others. Thanos has this cold blooded logic he relies on but it's easy to poke holes in his 1/2 population scheme. Meanwhile the heroes will painfully make sacrifices showing the inherent value in every life.
Well both Wanda and Starlord made that same play so what do you think of them? (Yes I get that their play is undone but the attempt is still there with both of them)
Another person by the name of SunScourge already said this, Gamora and Vision asked for Starlord and Wanda to do what they tried to do. No one asked Thanos to do that, and that’s what makes him evil, even if he thinks he is helping.
Stannis did the same thing to Shereen
okay, but wanda did the same to vision and starlord did pull the trigger on gamora, so are they evil too?
I think theres a difference because both Vision and Gamora asked/begged to be killed, compared to when Thanos killed Gamora without her consent
In Western Civilization, there’s right and wrong. In Judaism, there’s heaven and hell. In Hinduism, there’s action and consequences.
Huh? Judaism doesn't have heaven or hell. And Hinduism has at least as many taboos as Western culture.
Strange that you cut your analysis so short, because I feel like you missed a crucial point here. What got me about Infinity War, is that the difference between the heroes and the villains boiled down to consent. Vision asked Wanda to kill him, making it okay for her to make that choice. Gamora was not on board with Thanos' plan. Thanos' problem isn't that he's willing to sacrifice his daughter, it's that he won't effing listen to her. Like somehow even though he's really smart it has never occurred to him that if you're *the only person in the entire universe* who thinks something is right, then you're probably wrong. Other people's opinions and preferences do matter, and should matter to you. You should question your beliefs when confronted by the stories that other people tell of their experiences. Thanos refuses to do that, imo that's why he's evil.
Me: Even if Thanos truly and honestly thought it was for the greater good, he shouldn't have thrown Gamora off the ledge.
Also Me: Joel in The Last Of Us is a selfish SOB for not letting Ellie be used to find a cure for the cordyceps!
I've never thought about him stopping her from killing herself, so that... He... Could kill her.
Yeah I didn't notice myself until I watched it 19 and a half times making this video lol
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Thanos and his daughter didn’t hit close to home at all cause I can’t feel bad for that nigga
Different strokes for different folks.
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This video was great but why my mans talking so LOUDLY
Lol jk fr tho is his mom in the other video
Still learning to balance audio. Last time was too quiet. This one too loud. Apparently.
Not sure what the second part means though
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Thanos reminds me of Hitler
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This video is so quiet
Hey there. Noted. This was one of my earliest video essays. Not too sure what I was doing then. The newer ones should be up to snuff. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe Thank YOU for being a good sport about it
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The parallel to this scene in Endgame was gutwrenching too :(
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Can you edit this with a spoilers thing? I know that’s crazy. You totally don’t have to. It’s pretty vague. I’m not going to delete it or anything. I’m just hyped for this movie.
But also...
Ugh.. yes. Punched me in the heart. (Moral opposite of this scenario as well)
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe I tried to be vague, but yeah I'll go ahead and throw a warning on there
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Not every MCU movies do that collective good vs individual right thing, not every. That's one exception.
The most OP Captain Marvel, what she did is never because of collective good or individual right but just because she can do whatever she want as a lady mary sue.
I absolutely HATE that Sharon Carter gave the "Tree Speech". Cap one way or another should have given that speech.
Wait I'm confused. Who gave the tree speech? What is the tree speech? Who is the she?
Yours words are full of so much mystery.
@@ThatMakesSenseToMe dude, 2:48 Sharon Carter gave that speech in the MCU but in the comics Cap gave that speech to Spiderman.
In my opinion Sharon wasn't given anything to do so she's a wasted character in my eyes. In the MCU Cap should have given that speech to maybe Ironman when he challenged Cap's morals regarding the Accords.
Oh! Duh. Tree speech makes total sense.
I didn’t know it was given by someone else in the comics.
I didn’t mind because I didn’t have any expectations.
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Haha this made me bust out laughing walking down the sidewalk. Three of the most encouraging words I’ve read in a while.
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