Symbols of the Two Lands: the Crowns of Egypt

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  • @thequestioner9239
    @thequestioner9239 Рік тому +2

    Hey, at 3:32 the Egyptian says “dšrt”, it’s the word for the red crown, not the duel crown.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому +1

      You're right! A simple copy-paste error, thanks for spotting it. I can't correct it now, but I'll pin your comment.

  • @iCeeYouP
    @iCeeYouP 11 днів тому +1

    I’m glad to see you’re open to interpretations in your comments.
    Yes, there is an extensive video about how the “Crowns” of Egypt aren’t really crowns, but are ancient headdresses unique to the Afro-type hairstyle. It’s a video by “The Kings Monologue” titled “There were no crowns in ancient Egypt”

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  11 днів тому +1

      I am increasingly convinced that “crowns have to be hats” is a eurocentric assumption Egyptologists apply to the pharaohs.

  • @Gatorgetfresh
    @Gatorgetfresh Рік тому +4

    The crown was of cloth ! It most likely dissolved after 3000-6000 years that’s most like why

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому

      It’s very possible, but we have a reasonable amount of linen artefacts, and even when they didn’t survive extraction from sites, they were seen. The crowns weren’t!

  • @impostrophe6760
    @impostrophe6760 3 роки тому +5

    I would LOVE to hear more about their wardrobe, personally! I have a vague memory of some kind of cooling head wax cones worn as perfume and to cool down, or something? Never could figure out how that would work

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +2

      The head cones are an interesting example, since they live at the heart of a rabbit-hole, and modern scholars aren't in complete agreement about them. Definitely going to cover those.

  • @adiuntesserande6893
    @adiuntesserande6893 2 роки тому +3

    Another possibility as to why the crowns have never been found has struck me. Could they have been ritually destroyed in some way at the passing of the Pharaoh?

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  2 роки тому

      Could be! I would say that it's unlikely they would destroy them and not include them in the pharaohs' tombs, but I also think it's unlikely they wouldn't keep them, and every now and then we find one in a tomb or temple. So yeah you could be right!

    • @Jxnny5
      @Jxnny5 Рік тому +3

      Because it’s hairstyles not crowns. African tribes still do all the hairstyles of these “crowns”

  • @dumangwaafrika705
    @dumangwaafrika705 5 місяців тому +2

    Nice video. There's an image of a Watusi hair style from Rwanda which strikingly resembles the blue crown in Dr Cheik Anta Diops book African origin of civilization myth or reality

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  5 місяців тому +3

      I am increasingly impressed by theories that the crowns were combo headdresses/hairstyles. It’s difficult to explain a lack of even one single surviving crown!

  • @SisterWomen
    @SisterWomen 3 роки тому +3

    Love it. Yes, I would love more on their outfits. On the war crown, it was due to the peculiar identity of Queen Tetisheri. She was a commoner. Her children and grandchildren would strictly marry their siblings, only. This is to box out the Hykso descendants of the early 17th dynasty. You worded it perfectly. They conflate and perhaps lie in order to create a nationalistic outcry they can ride to power. The war crown is first worn by her grandsons, Kamose and Ahmose. Although, you have a good point. The crown seems to be retrospective commentary. Kamose certainly never wore it but images of him in battle after his death portray him wearing it. Concerning the strange blue crown of Nefertiti, it appears to be the same as that worn by young Princess Sitamun, on her throne recovered from Yuyas tomb. The most important question for us now is ... why does the Great Sphinx wear the nemes? Doesnt that make it a pharoah? Doesnt that make it the pharoah who wore the nemes as her signature headress or someone she diefied while in power? I think Tetisheri claimed to be a descendant of the 12th dynasty of her city. Which is how she created the narrative that she, a commoner, was more fit to lead Egypt than the imposter Hykso. Again, propoganda, but she does closely resemble 12th dynasty royal Thebans. Almost as closely as her descendant Hatshepsut resembled her.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +1

      Well, in the case of the Sphinx, it absolutely was a pharaoh. Most of the beard is lost now, but it definitely had one. It's dated to Khafre's time, so is probably meant to depict either him or some abstract kingly figure.
      It's been known to speak to people in dreams if they nap next to it, so we could always ask... or perhaps it reserves that honour for future pharaohs.

    • @SisterWomen
      @SisterWomen 3 роки тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology The beard is in the museum. It is a false beard. And the diorite statue of Kafra doesnt match to it.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +1

      Well... it's always a fake beard. In the case of the Sphinx, it had to be, because of physics. It had to be cemented on, and the Egyptians aren't famous for their amazing cement.

  • @SirNigelGresley4498
    @SirNigelGresley4498 3 роки тому +1

    The fact that a cursory Google doesn't throw up any suggestions that reconstructive archaeologists have tried to recreate these crowns either, which is something to ponder.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      What struck me was there are a few instances I could find of people trying to replicate them in a costume context, but that for some reason when those shapes were three-dimensional they seemed to me to stop making as much sense.
      It would not be out of character for the shape or proportions to be exaggerated in carvings, to preserve something more important about the crowns that we might not be appreciating. Like how the Mercator projection preserves shape but distorts scale.

  • @Ahmose-ptah165
    @Ahmose-ptah165 Рік тому +1

    Hey, I know you don't do theory videos, but you could make a video on an alternate timeline where ancient eygptian culture and traditions are still around in the modern age.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому +2

      It’s an interesting thought. I suspect that timeline would require a lot of intervention, however, because the Nile is a very desirable target for invaders, as our timeline shows!

  • @patp3800
    @patp3800 2 роки тому +1

    Red white and blue....still popular today

  • @xg835
    @xg835 3 роки тому +1

    I’ve wondered the same thing about whether they were symbolic or not, sometimes when the white and red crown are worn together the white one is inside the red one, which looks like it could exist, but sometimes iits seen on top of and looks abstract. Some of the crowns depicted have cobras and horns and feathers and I feel like some are more symbolic than others, but then who’s to know which are real, if any since none have survived, look up ‘Hathor temple dendera crowns’ and you’ll see the range of crowns I’m talking about

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +1

      Part of the problem will always be that the way the ancient Egyptians depicted things was deliberately abstract, representing ideals or even components more than full objects.
      I fully believe there's nothing about these crowns that couldn’t exist, except some of the ones worn by the gods which appear to have the sun as a component, but I keep coming back to "so where are they".

    • @xg835
      @xg835 3 роки тому +1

      @@ArmchairEgyptology tuts mummy had a headdress or cap on his head when it was discovered. It was pretty degraded but the good band that wrapped around the head was very similar to those depicted on nemes and khat headdresses. If u look up ‘tuts mummy crown’ some images will come up of it

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +1

      Is one wicker bowling pin so much to ask for?!

  • @samyasalama9393
    @samyasalama9393 15 днів тому

    Love Mena ,, ❤❤

  • @teli.tuketu
    @teli.tuketu Рік тому

    The blue is referring to the temple of the moon as her light has properties to break things down to prepare for growth. The red represents the sun temple, to which a purification of the heart is required before entering. The white represents the Celeste aether interwoven through all. Oh sorry, wrong meeting. (The G is for Garden.)

  • @MrFreezook
    @MrFreezook Рік тому

    Khepresh - Coming from Khper or Kheperi which is associated with the rising sun.
    When worn in battle the king is no longer the incarnated Horus god on earth but Ra himself.
    That's why this was Akhnaton's Favorite crown ;)
    This explains that Akhnaton wasn't really a monotheist as most people think but he was still on the monolatry belief. Also, Hence the snake wadjet on his crown.
    He simply elevated Aton over Amoun. and along this elevating himself and his royal family. ;)

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому +1

      An interesting perspective, thank you 😀

    • @MrFreezook
      @MrFreezook Рік тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology Thx for the reply, You're welcome. ✌🙂 Peace from Egypt

  • @africanhero1988
    @africanhero1988 Місяць тому +1

    Non-Africans talking about Africans. Africans in the Nile Valley know actually why you can't find a crown. Because it was hairstyles with adornments, LMAO.

    • @samuelbeatsminecraft2049
      @samuelbeatsminecraft2049 Місяць тому +1

      Shhh cant you keep a secret 😂

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Місяць тому +1

      Could be! Then it becomes a question of why these hairstyles were depicted differently from all the other hairstyles we saw. Frankly either way it’s interesting.

  • @patp3800
    @patp3800 2 роки тому

    They look later me bowling pins

    • @toddaulner5393
      @toddaulner5393 3 місяці тому +1

      I was just talking with my Mom about this and the crowns at Bowling Alleys.

  • @ayomaakaa6978
    @ayomaakaa6978 2 роки тому +2

    Conical felt and reed crowns are still worn by royalty in various parts of Africa

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  2 роки тому +3

      One look at some of the Benin bronzes shows woven headwear!

  • @MohamedAtef88
    @MohamedAtef88 3 роки тому +1

    🇪🇬

  • @adrianlovett3483
    @adrianlovett3483 Рік тому

    The War crown is not much use if it’s made of reeds , but v strange it’s never been buried with a Pharaoh …the other Crowns could be symbolic because they aren’t necessarily shown in action images , but the War crown is and seemingly has a purpose.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому

      Well you have to remember that personal armour is a fairly recent innovation. Most ancient Egyptian soldiers were completely unprotected, and even the pharaoh and other generals would have had very little if any.

    • @adrianlovett3483
      @adrianlovett3483 Рік тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology would it not be made of leather ?

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому +1

      While there absolutely were armoured soldiers in ancient times, the Egyptian military paradigm preferred to preserve stamina. That means carrying and wearing as little as possible. It’s a gambit, but you have to weigh up protectiveness vs tiring your troops out.
      Would you wear a leather hat while out in the desert? Bearing in mind that the locals then and now vastly prefer linen and cotton.

  • @tendaimbalekwa4293
    @tendaimbalekwa4293 3 роки тому +3

    My understanding is the dimple circles are the representation of the curling hair getting from the south

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      That's a new one on me. Interesting.
      There is one instance I can think of, from the Ptolemaic era, of the red crown depicted with the rings. I think the weaving pattern explanation is the most satisfying but it's admittedly not very glamorous.

    • @Yemaya22139
      @Yemaya22139 3 роки тому +1

      I read that as well. There are multiple images comparing the similar style of the blue crown to the crowns of later kings from other parts of Africa. The representations of the curling, or tightly coiled hair on the crown's design may have been making a statement about the ethnicity of the indigenous people of Kamit rising to expunge the foreign Hyksos invaders from North. Symbolically the crown may have been meant to rouse the people to emphasize their national, cultural, and geographical identities against non-natives..

  • @dingalodingalo8447
    @dingalodingalo8447 3 роки тому +1

    What if they were taken/destroyed by conquistadors

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому +3

      This can happen!
      Personally I doubt they'd all have been stolen, by conquistadors or otherwise. Materially they wouldn't be all that valuable, and they'd be too big to be of interest to thieves.
      More likely you'd find one in the attic of some castle in Scotland, to be honest 😅

  • @stevep888
    @stevep888 3 роки тому +1

    so really enjoying your video , also even more , your stance on that a lot of academia is bollocks , yes we are finding out true history ,
    have you thought about the colours from a difficult angel they signify magnetic colloidal fields red shift at the bottom and blue shift for the top
    technology , would be interested on knowledge of soul houses / trays , ( water passed over hieroglyphics ,that feed the souls of the dead

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      Soul houses are really interesting, as an alternative afterlife practice to those that are more famous (royal tombs).

    • @stevep888
      @stevep888 3 роки тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology , Hi Hi there , with soul houses , not sure , but these were not restricted to famous or royals , as they were a way for those also with not a lot of money to bless and feed there dead
      , yes i am sure that there were more fancy ones for the rich , have you every heard of Egyptian soul technology ? , egyptian healing rods were delivered , and wow you can feel things happening when you hold them

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      I'm not familiar with the term "soul technology" for sure.

  • @mahmoodali5043
    @mahmoodali5043 3 роки тому

    a quick google search can get you this result of a Khepresh in a museum
    it is metallic and appears to be made of bronze and has lost pigmentation so it appears bare.
    The circles are much more likely to be hard stones or overlays of a second layer of metal.
    The king wore more armor than the average soldier as the depictions show. and that\s around the rime very similar looking helmets for egyptian solders which appear with the same construction methods are widespread around the army.
    You need to understand that the tomb of Tutankhamun is almost the one and only tomb that was untouched before modern discovery. Ramses II's and Tuthmosis III's segmented bronze body armor with precious stone and gold overlays as well as their royal war crowns would have been a much more valuable and practicalthing to sell in medieval or even ancient post-collapse periods, than jars containing organs or stone statues, and that's why those things remained, and the personal armor and war crowns did not.
    Tutankhamun's tomb contained all the artifacts depicted on his depictions to the finest details, from the war chariot to the shield; all to the most minute of details as were depicted, so I really do not see any symbolism narrative here (which is quite strange notion to be honest).

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      There are certainly statue fragments around, but I'm pretty confident nobody was wearing that much bronze on their heads! Especially poor Tutankhamun, he wasn't the strongest bean.
      I wouldn't get too caught up in the idea of 'symbolism' but there's meaning behind most aesthetic choices. Not always a deep or profound meaning, but there's a reason the crowns were the shape and colour they were depicted as.

    • @mahmoodali5043
      @mahmoodali5043 3 роки тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology I think it was most likely leather based with bronze rings as outer layer. This is the same method of the segmented scale armor used for body armor for people and even horses by the new kingdom era; leather with hard stone or bronze outer layer.
      This is aided by the fact that the most detailed depictions of it show a blue base with yellow rings, so a painted leather base with bronze rings is the most likely and straight forward explanation for me.
      The idea pf a full bronze Khepresh isn't out of the question though; a bronze scalp helmet (which is what the Khepresh practically is) wouldn't weigh much more than a steel Great Helm with chain mail inner for example, and people had no problem fighting wearing those.
      The piece in question might be only ceremonial, or might be usable.

    • @mahmoodali5043
      @mahmoodali5043 3 роки тому

      @@ArmchairEgyptology Agreed that the shapes and colors most likely had meanings, but that's not the symbolism I was talking about, I was talking about the idea that all those types of crowns were nothing more than artistic depictions that corresponded to no real crowns and that somehow the ancient age in egypt didn't know crowns. That's too wild of an assumption to me.
      I mean, the Heka and Nekhakha were found in the one intact tomb, so why would they be true but the most obvious things; the war crowns of warrior kings, not ?
      As of why Tutankhamun didn;t have a war crown, well, he didn't lead a military campaign and wasn't depicted with one.
      Take Hatshepsut for example, she was depicted with all royal symbols of a ruler including even the royal beard, but never with the Khepresh as she never led a military campaign. The khepresh was earned by being a warrior king, not given as standard.

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  3 роки тому

      In my own defence, I never suggested the Egyptians didn't have crowns. I was speculating that these specific crowns may not have been literally worn, and I freely admit that it's nothing more than a lazy explanation for why we've never found one. I don't buy that they'd all be stolen, and I'm not convinced they were made of anything as robust as leather.
      Imagine wearing a leather hat in that weather, no thank you. The crowns date to the earliest pharaohs, when most fighters weren't even wearing leather armour (because the protective power of leather wasn't good enough to overcome how exhausting it would have been to do so). Maybe there was some sort of ceremonial hide or pelt being worn by the leaders, that seems very plausible. Leather crown? I don't know. A reed woven crown makes more sense to me, but that is also just speculation.
      I take your point about a steel helmet, but copper (then later bronze) isn't as protective as steel, meaning it's mainly just heavy and hot, and you'd have to decide for yourself whether that was a worthwhile trade.
      The shape of it makes me think the khepresh wasn't a helmet. The shape just isn't very efficient, and we know the Egyptians favoured using less materials rather than more wherever possible. That makes me think that it was indeed ceremonial, but I won't pretend to have any particular expertise in the design of helmets!

    • @mahmoodali5043
      @mahmoodali5043 3 роки тому +1

      @@ArmchairEgyptology well I can imagine it because this day and age the weather is actually much harsher than the ancient age (egypt is among the places most severely affected by global warming), and we were in full gear, helmet body armor and all, during my military service, and the 20 kilo modern kits are well heavier than any ancient leather vest and scalp helmet.
      I understand that Western people tend to have this notion that egypt is scorching hot, but I can personally confirm to you that it's just a public legend. I've been living in france for four years, the big difference is colder winter, much more rain and less extreme hot days during the summer. So the blazing hot egypt and the freezing cold europe and North America are both just legends (I remember fearing freezing to death if the heating goes down when I was thinking about European weather while still in egypt, yes the urban legend in reversed in egypt and we think you guys live in arctic conditions lol

  • @loganosmolinski4446
    @loganosmolinski4446 2 роки тому

    Boop

  • @davidallard1980
    @davidallard1980 Рік тому +1

    They never found a crown?

    • @ArmchairEgyptology
      @ArmchairEgyptology  Рік тому

      Not one of these. Plenty of crowns, but never the red or white one so iconically associated with the pharaohs!