The problem with remodeling/repair jobs is you never know what to expect. It could be a 30 minute job or it could be a 6-8 hour job depending upon what is behind the walls. Unless you arrive with a big truckload of tools and supplies, you may have to make several trips to obtain more parts or tools.
@shubinternet ,you can install a GFCI receptacle with no ground. If a homeowner has a 2 prong Receptacle and wants a 3 prong and doesn't want to pay to run a ground to it... then you can install a gfci with The no equipment ground sticker on it. NEC 2020 406.4 (D)(2)
If you're putting an outlet in a metal box especially one as tight fitting as that then it's a good idea to put a bit of electrical tape around the outlet.
After watching you do the electricians job I have no love to be an electrician. I will pass on being an electrician and I will continue to look for another way to make a living. Thanks for you great videos, I enjoyed watching them and discovered being an electrician is no joke but, serious hard labor.
GFCI does not require a ground. You're fine without it. It looks to be an ungrounded system anyway. Most likely, all 3 prong receptacles in that home should be GFCI protected because there are no ground wires to any of them. That means more work/money for you.
@@johnsandlinjr I've seen that happen too. Obviously, a receptacle that is "GFCI protected" can be any receptacle on the load side of the GFCI. Of course, the "GFCI protected" stickers are only required on standard devices, not actual GFCI receptacles.
Stopped doing work for all realtors. In my area they would take at least 4 months to pay then if an old house had trouble during that time would try to blame you for it and want a free repair.
Excellent and please do add a final paragraph talk to all your clips like this or as to a rough estimate of what the kind of work showed might cost the landowner. This makes your clips a lot more realistic and financially valuable. In short, a priceless piece of information that no one may otherwise find on UA-cam, thus elevating your channel even more. Anyways and thanks a lot for your valuable knowledge shared here.
Maybe $1600 a day, not per hour. Electrician has to locate house, get tools and materials out of van, greet customer, possibly move stuff out of the way, lay down drop cloth or towel, do the actual job, sweep and or vacuum up the mess, move stuff back, explain what was done to the customer, collect payment from the customer, collect your tools and maybe a ladder, put them back on the truck or van and move on to the next job. Those things add a lot more time to your 7.5 mins. And, do you really only want to do things to code minimum I think your math is very flawed, Joel. And that job you just did is a callback waiting to happen. Thanks, Russ from Oregon-27 years in the Trade.
I tape the receptacle when there is bare copper grounds. It does short sometimes when not tapped. I've seen it happen, it's happened to me. Not with any work I've done myself, but work someone else did after they were gone. It only takes an extra 30 seconds and can't be too safe even if it's not necessary. It can't hurt.
I do alittle bit of DIY around the house. I just learn some of this over time. The builders grade light switches seem to be the worst. I've had so many of those fail. Where terminals on the side that hold the wires just break off, or the back of the switch is broken in half.
Yes sir. It's all about work volume, (potential) consequential referrals and repeat/loyal customers/clients. I'd settle for 1% of a billion over 1% of one thousand any day....high, reasonable work volume is king; just don't take on more than you can professionally deliver on. Pace yourself wisely and scale up as you go where needed. Reputation is EVERYTHING in service work, especially if you operate in a competitive market, which lends to staying on top of trends and high demands. It's ALL a process. Keep the fire in the wire 👍
@@ElectricProAcademy Leviton GFCI's are definitely shallower than competitors and are the brand I use. Your link points to Leviton, but you're installing a Lutron...The link also shows a 20 amp device, witch could be misleading for DIY'ers. Alright Leviton haters, lets hear from you.
im so confused ive always been told the slide in connection to and outlet was a huge no go? like you should always hoop your leads. am i missing somthing?
True true, we know exactly what you mean! The difference here is that GFCIs are not actually "backstabs", they just have covered, screw-in terminals. Basic receptacles, on the other hand, have a tension system that is not as reliable as a hooked and screw-tightened connection
I'm a union journeyman electrician , and I've always played around with the thought of starting my own electrical service company doing things like this, Btw, use a small handheld drill instead of your screw driver lol
Yessir I know all this and I'm a green light apprentice :) Would it not be a better ground path attaching a piece of ground to the ground screw in the back of the box instead of the actual screws used to mount outlet? Interesting...
This particular (old) box did not have a tapped hole for a ground screw, which is why I had my inner dialogue at 4:05 😅. Whenever possible, the dedicated ground is better, we just didn't have that option here.
You charge for 1 hour, usually first hour is higher priced to cover cost of the trip. Home owners would rather you be in and out then standing around or sitting in the van. You could always tighten connections at the panel but if you touch it then you're liable. 1600/he would require rapid turnover. I think.
It's probably a grounded metal box which grounds the GFCI when it's screwed on. if not then there should be a sticker placed on the face plate "no equipment ground", stickers should be in the receptacle packaging. He could've also drilled and tapped the metal box to add a grounding pigtail and screw instead of relying on contact of the screws and yoke like my first answer. But he used the first method I mentioned.
@@frontman4u243 I met one of your employees a couple weeks ago (parts runner) at the supply house (KR). Really nice kid. I told him how much I enjoy your videos.
@@ElectricProAcademy Pre 1960 BX is type AC cable and is recognized. The armor clad is grandfathered as an EGC, but does not meet current standards, and when possible should be replaced. Your tester indicated correct, so it's either being grounded by the AC cable armor (if that is the system) or by external individual EGC on the back of the metal boxes. Either way a better alternative is using a self grounding GFCI, (Leviton) readily available in my location.
How do you know the second circuit was meant to be load. Quite often you will need to put line in and line out on the line terminal. You only use the load, if you have a down stream circuit that needs to be ground fault protected by this receptacle. Go get a refund from your school and learn real life application..
why do you use links to promote a company that is famous for fighting worker rights and undermining human rights? How does that align with your "values"?
Try that with ignorant people. Tell your WORKERS that they aren't slaves. They can go and work for someone else ANYTIME. GOOH with that BS. QUIT and work somewhere else. It's people like YOU that caused the AUTO industry to need a taxpayer buyout from the government.
The problem with remodeling/repair jobs is you never know what to expect. It could be a 30 minute job or it could be a 6-8 hour job depending upon what is behind the walls. Unless you arrive with a big truckload of tools and supplies, you may have to make several trips to obtain more parts or tools.
GFCI doesn't require a ground. That is what the sticker is for. GFCI works on the imbalance between hot and neutral.
GFCI stands for Ground Fault Circuit Interruptor. Hence, the need for a good path to ground.
@shubinternet ,you can install a GFCI receptacle with no ground. If a homeowner has a 2 prong Receptacle and wants a 3 prong and doesn't want to pay to run a ground to it... then you can install a gfci with The no equipment ground sticker on it. NEC 2020 406.4 (D)(2)
If you're putting an outlet in a metal box especially one as tight fitting as that then it's a good idea to put a bit of electrical tape around the outlet.
After watching you do the electricians job I have no love to be an electrician. I will pass on being an electrician and I will continue to look for another way to make a living. Thanks for you great videos, I enjoyed watching them and discovered being an electrician is no joke but, serious hard labor.
GFCI does not require a ground. You're fine without it. It looks to be an ungrounded system anyway. Most likely, all 3 prong receptacles in that home should be GFCI protected because there are no ground wires to any of them. That means more work/money for you.
As long as you mark it no equipment ground. Right?
@@johnsandlinjr Yep, and "GFCI protected".
@@brianharmeson3144 which I always find funny when it’s over the gfci lol
@@johnsandlinjr I've seen that happen too. Obviously, a receptacle that is "GFCI protected" can be any receptacle on the load side of the GFCI. Of course, the "GFCI protected" stickers are only required on standard devices, not actual GFCI receptacles.
It was a self grounding gfi anyway.
Stopped doing work for all realtors. In my area they would take at least 4 months to pay then if an old house had trouble during that time would try to blame you for it and want a free repair.
Excellent and please do add a final paragraph talk to all your clips like this or as to a rough estimate of what the kind of work showed might cost the landowner. This makes your clips a lot more realistic and financially valuable. In short, a priceless piece of information that no one may otherwise find on UA-cam, thus elevating your channel even more.
Anyways and thanks a lot for your valuable knowledge shared here.
Maybe $1600 a day, not per hour. Electrician has to locate house, get tools and materials out of van, greet customer, possibly move stuff out of the way, lay down drop cloth or towel, do the actual job, sweep and or vacuum up the mess, move stuff back, explain what was done to the customer, collect payment from the customer, collect your tools and maybe a ladder, put them back on the truck or van and move on to the next job. Those things add a lot more time to your 7.5 mins. And, do you really only want to do things to code minimum I think your math is very flawed, Joel. And that job you just did is a callback waiting to happen. Thanks, Russ from Oregon-27 years in the Trade.
Nothing wrong with code minimum.
No reason for a callback there.
How did the interview with Ronald go on Saturday?
Kidding aside, you rock.
I tape the receptacle when there is bare copper grounds. It does short sometimes when not tapped. I've seen it happen, it's happened to me. Not with any work I've done myself, but work someone else did after they were gone. It only takes an extra 30 seconds and can't be too safe even if it's not necessary. It can't hurt.
This is true, get a few calls from realtors to update to GFCI’s and or the dreaded aluminum wiring in older homes.. good vid 👍
I replace 2 of them and I got $100 plus my beers lol
That sounds more reasonable they only take 5 min to replace so two receptacles for hundred bucks and some beer sounds good
We use impact drills to remove the device from the boxes. That’s too much screwdriver turning 😂
Good thing the tile guy cut the hole big enough for the gfci to fit. That's no fun when you have to drag out the diamond blade and grinder.
I like to add pigtails to a box like this, and just have one set of conductors coming to the device.
I do alittle bit of DIY around the house. I just learn some of this over time. The builders grade light switches seem to be the worst. I've had so many of those fail. Where terminals on the side that hold the wires just break off, or the back of the switch is broken in half.
I agree. First hour $225. Covers your truck next hour your hourly rate
Pigtailed! a must. Yoke straight!
What do you mean by service fee you are ready change your hours ???
Maybe I missed something
My grandad always said, if a bullfrog had wings he would not bump his ass when he landed.
drill and tap the box the screws are not always good ground I know people use to use the screws as ground but times have changed.
Joel you need a Dewalt Electric screw driver that really speeds it up
I find the Klein wobble screwdrivers speed my work by about 25%, consider using them.
Good job. Have you considered the use of a drill driver to back out and carefully drive in screws for some speed ?
I always install bottom screw first
You should look up a Klein Tools 67100, it'll make jobs like these go a lot faster. You're the first electrician I've seen who doesn't use one.
Thanks for the rec. I'm not much of a tool enthusiast so UA-cam has been wonderful for upping my game!
So, wait -- are those cables covered by fabric? Is this from knob-and-tube wiring?
A fast nickel is better than a slow dime all day long.
As explained you will do 7 of these for 175 labor
I do these for $45 laborx7=$315 an hour not even close to $1600
How did you get the plate on? The tile looked like it was behind the screws for the plate.
why were both wires put in on line side im curious?
these tiny jobs are so underrated.
One of my neighbor's toddler lost a thumb because of no GFCI socket.
You could have left the old receptacle in and used a GFCI Breaker.
Did you really down steam those conductor..not knowing where they go...it's in a bath
Tape and to use impact to tap and pigtail would have took approximately 1 minute. Just me though guess thats 8 minutes if i do 8 jobs a day
Where's the torque driver required by NEC to secure ALL terminals, screws, & bolts ?
Lol
How did your discussion with Ronald go?
Yes sir. It's all about work volume, (potential) consequential referrals and repeat/loyal customers/clients.
I'd settle for 1% of a billion over 1% of one thousand any day....high, reasonable work volume is king; just don't take on more than you can professionally deliver on. Pace yourself wisely and scale up as you go where needed. Reputation is EVERYTHING in service work, especially if you operate in a competitive market, which lends to staying on top of trends and high demands. It's ALL a process. Keep the fire in the wire 👍
Good intel 👍
With technology is advancing why any company can’t make those GCFI receptacles smaller?
@@ElectricProAcademy Leviton GFCI's are definitely shallower than competitors and are the brand I use. Your link points to Leviton, but you're installing a Lutron...The link also shows a 20 amp device, witch could be misleading for DIY'ers. Alright Leviton haters, lets hear from you.
Leviton offers a slim GFCI receptacle.
This is a misleading video. More like $1600 / day, if your being honest.
im so confused ive always been told the slide in connection to and outlet was a huge no go? like you should always hoop your leads. am i missing somthing?
True true, we know exactly what you mean! The difference here is that GFCIs are not actually "backstabs", they just have covered, screw-in terminals. Basic receptacles, on the other hand, have a tension system that is not as reliable as a hooked and screw-tightened connection
@@ElectricProAcademy thank you for clearing this up for me!
I'm a union journeyman electrician , and I've always played around with the thought of starting my own electrical service company doing things like this,
Btw, use a small handheld drill instead of your screw driver lol
@@ElectricProAcademy I actually live In Muncie, but I am In the IBEW, it would be frowned upon if I worked for a non union company.
1600 an hour what do you mean do u mean 1600 a week
Yessir I know all this and I'm a green light apprentice :) Would it not be a better ground path attaching a piece of ground to the ground screw in the back of the box instead of the actual screws used to mount outlet? Interesting...
This particular (old) box did not have a tapped hole for a ground screw, which is why I had my inner dialogue at 4:05 😅. Whenever possible, the dedicated ground is better, we just didn't have that option here.
@@ElectricProAcademy Got you. Thanks for the input!
Even though it only took you 7 minutes do the techs take the full hour to make the home owner feel like they are getting their moneys worth?
You charge for 1 hour, usually first hour is higher priced to cover cost of the trip. Home owners would rather you be in and out then standing around or sitting in the van. You could always tighten connections at the panel but if you touch it then you're liable. 1600/he would require rapid turnover. I think.
that cabling looks 70 years old ....
How did you get the ground in?
It's probably a grounded metal box which grounds the GFCI when it's screwed on. if not then there should be a sticker placed on the face plate "no equipment ground", stickers should be in the receptacle packaging. He could've also drilled and tapped the metal box to add a grounding pigtail and screw instead of relying on contact of the screws and yoke like my first answer. But he used the first method I mentioned.
It's not required. There probably isn't a ground anyway by the looks of the cloth covered conductors.
Correct, Brian Harmeson. BX is not observed by the code and does not offer a low impedance, effective ground-fault current path.
@@frontman4u243 I met one of your employees a couple weeks ago (parts runner) at the supply house (KR). Really nice kid. I told him how much I enjoy your videos.
@@ElectricProAcademy Pre 1960 BX is type AC cable and is recognized. The armor clad is grandfathered as an EGC, but does not meet current standards, and when possible should be replaced. Your tester indicated correct, so it's either being grounded by the AC cable armor (if that is the system) or by external individual EGC on the back of the metal boxes. Either way a better alternative is using a self grounding GFCI, (Leviton) readily available in my location.
Ronald would have done it in 4.
You put both the line in the load on the same terminal. Big mistake. Go back to school
Depends if the rest of the circuit needs to be GFCI protected or not. Video didn't show what else was on that circuit.
How do you know the second circuit was meant to be load. Quite often you will need to put line in and line out on the line terminal. You only use the load, if you have a down stream circuit that needs to be ground fault protected by this receptacle. Go get a refund from your school and learn real life application..
Haste makes waste!
why do you use links to promote a company that is famous for fighting worker rights and undermining human rights? How does that align with your "values"?
What company are you referring to?
Try that with ignorant people.
Tell your WORKERS that they aren't slaves.
They can go and work for someone else ANYTIME.
GOOH with that BS.
QUIT and work somewhere else. It's people like YOU that caused the AUTO industry to need a taxpayer buyout from the government.
@@fusion772 that's what I was thinking 🤔
@@fusion772 you seriously can't figure it out?
@@networkedperson You're insufferable
You are not a master, a dumb apprentice maybe, you are not with in the NEC
@@ElectricProAcademy You are a terminally optimistic person. Very refreshing.