Good video. I have a few questions about the capacity of the conversational side of the Hurco. Rev control is very important and if personnel can make changes on the fly it's possible for the program to change a lot with out record. Also is it capable of having fixture inputs? can you define where the machine can and can not go based on toe clamp locations?
You can program the Siemens controls like this as well , in fact in 3 ways . 1)Shop mill (which is similar) 2)Siemens ISO mixed (which I like) 3)ISO as you would have it on a Fanuc control. And you are correct in saying making any amendments on the fly is so much easier . Thanks for the insert always nice to see the alternatives.
Not as of now. Sometimes we trick the control by programming your part as a "pocket Island" and then making the pocket bigger than your stock. You will be cutting a little bit of air, but sometimes it is worth it for the adaptive cutting you get! I will try to show an example video of this
what is the year of production of the machine? I'm working on a similar from 2018, it's a little bigger. In general, it is fun to work, except that the chips got into the side rollers of the guides and every now and then some software problem
This machine is a 2016 VM20i Do you work with a VM30i or a VMX series? Yes you do have to be careful about cleaning the chips of the way covers ( do not blow them towards the table) and also try your best to not let them sit right on the ways while the machine is rapiding around.
@@wademoore2139 VMX84 Ti, rigid machine and quite good functions (some are missing). If you mean air blown, then we use the workpiece and the table to clean, the rest we have a coolant gun. The problem was that the side table guides in the Y axis got chips through poorly constructed covers (the guide structure holds the chips inside)
How do (did) you like the Hurco ? Is it a good machine? How long have you owned it? Any mechanical/electrical problems or failures? I'm looking at a used 2004 one for sale . Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!
Hurcos are great machines! They are extremely fun to run. I always get concerned with buying used equipment, as you never know what you are getting. Unless you know the owner and can get all the ins and outs (crashes., maintenance ...). Also with newer machines, you are are getting all the new features. If you plan on putting the machine to work, and can afford to take a loan you are definitely going to have a really nice machine. Interest rates are really low right now, and I think Hurco is giving really good deals. I do not want to force your hand, and am just letting you know my opinion. Definitely way both your options!!
I know it is late for you, but if someone else reads it, like myself here... I was working and setting up 2001 hurco and 2013. From my experience, you want to buy the 2013.-2024. (up to this date) series. The company is an alfa romeo of CNC machines world. It often has ATC problems, sensor and TC lever related. If you are doing things for yourself, can be quite exspensive when something goes wrong. In my EU country, we are waiting for parts from one week to three weeks and that is a big problem. Haas, on the other hand, their representative fixes machines in a couple of days. I want more hurco machines, they are unreal for me, but the company owner likes Haas. Hellers are being used for different, more demanding jobs.
I’m a fanuc guy but I’ve been let loose on one of these, it’s quite good, you can program a simple job in 5 mins I couldn’t believe it but it’s hard to get used to, I hate how when you turn the feed to zero the machine doesn’t stop. 😒
@@MooreCNC yes I had both turned to zero as I always do when proving out a job, and the machine doesn’t stop, I have to press feed hold which is quite annoying, a guy from another section of the business came over and said how are you finding it? And I told him about that and he said that was one of the things he found really annoying too.
@@MooreCNC I agree with you though, the parts speak for themselves, the machine is so rigid the tool life is great, I’ve been doing the first op on the Hurco and then I flip it and finish it on a Hwacheon Vesta, it’s a small Chinese vertical mill, and the surface finish from the Hurco using the same facemill is so much better.
@@wazza8610 This must be a bug with your machine. I have never seen this before. You might want to call Hurco service and check your software is up to date
Good question. First time cutting aluminum dry with WD 40, and as other have said, that long reach hydraulic holder shown in the video could be shortened up to a stubby one (CAT40 big plus). With flood coolant and TSC drill.. I would say this part could be done in under 3-4 minutes for both ops on Hurco VM20i..depending how good of a finish you want. This would be a good challenge to see who could make the fastest
Hurco programming is amazing in every shape and form. Sorry this guy doesn't really know how to do it. Ball milling 3D features are so simple to do with Hurco conversational. Basic parts can be made with 2 to 5 blocks of programming and very complex 4 axis programs can be made with as little as 300 blocks. Massive comparison to G code programming which would take 10's of thousands of lines of code. I use it ever single day and have found no limit to Hurco programming.
Yes we really love how quick and easy the programming is as well. To answer your previous question about why we did not use the "Mill Face" toolpath to deck the top of the part, is simply because it always brings your tool onto the part with conventional rotation, and you cannot change it to climb milling. We feel it's a lot more powerful using "lines and arc" toolpaths because you have the freedom of things like climb cutting on entry. We have tried to change everything we could, but have not been able to climb cut on entry with "mill face". Suggestions you have are highly welcomed!
@@MooreCNC Climb milling with the face option is not possible so far as I know. Hurco has a lot of great features, but they also can improve some basics. I program on our Hurco every day and love it.
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Punky Brat, Mill face option does not allow you to climb mill, so we usually use lines and arcs to allow us more freedom of the toolpaths also controls step over and amount you lead on and off the part
@@DKaren19 very true, you are right. BUT I still prefer line and arc toolpaths for facing in most cases because you can control the step over. For aluminum you can get away with huge step overs, but if you are taking a deep cut In a high nickel alloy, you don't want to be more than 50 percent step over because you will be putting an a large inconsistent chipload on your inserts. Programming with lines and ars gives you the freedom to choose step over, lead in and lead out. For basic stuff like the part in this video "mill face" would have sufficed , I agree, but we machine a lot of Inconel and it's not an option to rough out at 70 percent step over with a 20hp , 9k lb machine. I don't mean to say everything is the perfect way to program a hurco in this video. I am just showing how we do it, but thank you for mentioning the other options that us Hurco wizards can use at our fingertips
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Good video. I have a few questions about the capacity of the conversational side of the Hurco. Rev control is very important and if personnel can make changes on the fly it's possible for the program to change a lot with out record. Also is it capable of having fixture inputs? can you define where the machine can and can not go based on toe clamp locations?
Quick question, Who is the manufacturer of the vise jaws? Hard to find gripper jaws that are not 3" tall.
Would love to try hurco I use mazak which has an amazing conversational control
You can program the Siemens controls like this as well , in fact in 3 ways .
1)Shop mill (which is similar)
2)Siemens ISO mixed (which I like)
3)ISO as you would have it on a Fanuc control.
And you are correct in saying making any amendments on the fly is so much easier .
Thanks for the insert always nice to see the alternatives.
I love using Siemens and Hurco for these reasons. They are very similar controls overall.
I use Siemens conversational often. I love it but I also use cam for more complicated parts.
20 mins to program that part?
WOW!!! Awesome video! YES!
You are so right it’s truly a blessing I would love to learn milling machines
Is there a high speed toolpath from outside like adaptive roughing built into the hurco control?
Not as of now. Sometimes we trick the control by programming your part as a "pocket Island" and then making the pocket bigger than your stock. You will be cutting a little bit of air, but sometimes it is worth it for the adaptive cutting you get! I will try to show an example video of this
@@MooreCNC thanks that would be great
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cool video, Titan's academy is awesome
Great machine easy to use I use them everyday
Wish our Hurco VM1 had Win-Max control software.
Amazing work
what is the year of production of the machine? I'm working on a similar from 2018, it's a little bigger. In general, it is fun to work, except that the chips got into the side rollers of the guides and every now and then some software problem
This machine is a 2016 VM20i Do you work with a VM30i or a VMX series? Yes you do have to be careful about cleaning the chips of the way covers ( do not blow them towards the table) and also try your best to not let them sit right on the ways while the machine is rapiding around.
@@wademoore2139 VMX84 Ti, rigid machine and quite good functions (some are missing). If you mean air blown, then we use the workpiece and the table to clean, the rest we have a coolant gun. The problem was that the side table guides in the Y axis got chips through poorly constructed covers (the guide structure holds the chips inside)
mexicano343 Thanks for letting everyone know about this issue , this would definitely put me off buying a Hurco
Very inspiring and thanks for sharing.
Regards LeRoy
Conversational CNC programming is a revolution.
It's actually been around since 80s in some form
How do (did) you like the Hurco ? Is it a good machine? How long have you owned it? Any mechanical/electrical problems or failures? I'm looking at a used 2004 one for sale . Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!
Hurcos are great machines! They are extremely fun to run. I always get concerned with buying used equipment, as you never know what you are getting. Unless you know the owner and can get all the ins and outs (crashes., maintenance ...). Also with newer machines, you are are getting all the new features. If you plan on putting the machine to work, and can afford to take a loan you are definitely going to have a really nice machine. Interest rates are really low right now, and I think Hurco is giving really good deals. I do not want to force your hand, and am just letting you know my opinion. Definitely way both your options!!
I know it is late for you, but if someone else reads it, like myself here... I was working and setting up 2001 hurco and 2013. From my experience, you want to buy the 2013.-2024. (up to this date) series. The company is an alfa romeo of CNC machines world. It often has ATC problems, sensor and TC lever related. If you are doing things for yourself, can be quite exspensive when something goes wrong. In my EU country, we are waiting for parts from one week to three weeks and that is a big problem. Haas, on the other hand, their representative fixes machines in a couple of days. I want more hurco machines, they are unreal for me, but the company owner likes Haas. Hellers are being used for different, more demanding jobs.
I’m a fanuc guy but I’ve been let loose on one of these, it’s quite good, you can program a simple job in 5 mins I couldn’t believe it but it’s hard to get used to, I hate how when you turn the feed to zero the machine doesn’t stop. 😒
Doesn't stop??? Did you turn rapid to zero too?
@@MooreCNC yes I had both turned to zero as I always do when proving out a job, and the machine doesn’t stop, I have to press feed hold which is quite annoying, a guy from another section of the business came over and said how are you finding it? And I told him about that and he said that was one of the things he found really annoying too.
@@MooreCNC I agree with you though, the parts speak for themselves, the machine is so rigid the tool life is great, I’ve been doing the first op on the Hurco and then I flip it and finish it on a Hwacheon Vesta, it’s a small Chinese vertical mill, and the surface finish from the Hurco using the same facemill is so much better.
@@wazza8610 This must be a bug with your machine. I have never seen this before. You might want to call Hurco service and check your software is up to date
Good stuff cuz! Looks like you are having fun :-)
Great work!
What's cycle time?
Good question. First time cutting aluminum dry with WD 40, and as other have said, that long reach hydraulic holder shown in the video could be shortened up to a stubby one (CAT40 big plus). With flood coolant and TSC drill.. I would say this part could be done in under 3-4 minutes for both ops on Hurco VM20i..depending how good of a finish you want. This would be a good challenge to see who could make the fastest
I'm not very familiar with this way of programming but I do write Gcodes and test them this way on a DMG MORI when something else is running.
wish I new more tho. great stuff. our Mazaks also have this feature I'm just not very good at it.
Nice work!! :)
You put prototraks and hass above mazatrol
Mazak in my opinion is the best conversational control.
Yes, Hurco invented conversational programming and have the patents!
Hurco programming is amazing in every shape and form. Sorry this guy doesn't really know how to do it. Ball milling 3D features are so simple to do with Hurco conversational. Basic parts can be made with 2 to 5 blocks of programming and very complex 4 axis programs can be made with as little as 300 blocks. Massive comparison to G code programming which would take 10's of thousands of lines of code. I use it ever single day and have found no limit to Hurco programming.
Yes we really love how quick and easy the programming is as well. To answer your previous question about why we did not use the "Mill Face" toolpath to deck the top of the part, is simply because it always brings your tool onto the part with conventional rotation, and you cannot change it to climb milling. We feel it's a lot more powerful using "lines and arc" toolpaths because you have the freedom of things like climb cutting on entry. We have tried to change everything we could, but have not been able to climb cut on entry with "mill face". Suggestions you have are highly welcomed!
@@MooreCNC Climb milling with the face option is not possible so far as I know. Hurco has a lot of great features, but they also can improve some basics. I program on our Hurco every day and love it.
That tool projection is way to long for what your doing!
it's aluminum!
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didn't use the mill face option...really? So basic
Punky Brat, Mill face option does not allow you to climb mill, so we usually use lines and arcs to allow us more freedom of the toolpaths also controls step over and amount you lead on and off the part
@@DKaren19 very true, you are right. BUT I still prefer line and arc toolpaths for facing in most cases because you can control the step over. For aluminum you can get away with huge step overs, but if you are taking a deep cut In a high nickel alloy, you don't want to be more than 50 percent step over because you will be putting an a large inconsistent chipload on your inserts. Programming with lines and ars gives you the freedom to choose step over, lead in and lead out. For basic stuff like the part in this video "mill face" would have sufficed , I agree, but we machine a lot of Inconel and it's not an option to rough out at 70 percent step over with a 20hp , 9k lb machine. I don't mean to say everything is the perfect way to program a hurco in this video. I am just showing how we do it, but thank you for mentioning the other options that us Hurco wizards can use at our fingertips
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