Thank you so much for watching both of my videos on stream, it's an honor. It was super fun doing commentary with you today. Even more videos and streams to come in the future!
To be fair, I think the reason ToT's apology reads like a dramatic script is because of weird translation shenanigans between Japanese to English. I wouldn't be surprised if Google Translate was used and that's why it sounds so weird.
The fact I can almost bet people will still harass him sickens me. Dude was so young. He’s grown now. It’s not even part of his life and it sounds like he’s doing pretty well. I hope no one does but the internet can be a disgusting place.
@@bidoof2op nah he got a 1:39 in a race sometime in the past couple weeks, he’s not going to stagnate. Ik “puncay 6th place” is a meme rn, but he’s definitely going to get a 1:38 soon, especially if he pulled off a marathon 1:39.
I think cheating can be forgiven, but the reaction to it determines whether you should be allowed to come back in my opinion. If you come clean and admit to cheating and accept a ban I think you should always be able to get a second chance, even when it was way after the fact. But if you never fully come clean and just keep denying that you cheated, there is no way you should be allowed to stay in the scene, because then it wasn't just a one time mistake or something stupid you did when you were young, you are fully commited to cheating at that point.
It's kinda tough because you never know when they're going to do it again and each run submitted will need to be scrutinized, if someone like cheese submits a run you know it will be legitimate
@@Nfscarbon07 Bad way to think about it, Don't assume someones run is legitimate you have to look at everyones runs as if they could be cheating or you get blind sided and end up allowing a cheated run on the leader boards.
I think that cheating a speedrun is super disrespectful to everybody who actually puts the time and effort into actually getting records. I dont think that we should completely demonize and shun them forever but I dont think that we should go "ehhh they feel bad so it's ok now" when they tried to boost their reputation without any consideration of people who actually put effort into their runs
Every year we seem to find newer ways to verify runs and check for cheating. I am not opposed to extra scrutiny like requiring hardware on cam, handcam or even directly recording the tv screen in specific situations. I don’t think it should be the norm but if we were to ever consider allowing a cheater back extremes like these don’t seem so extreme for them. I believe in nuance which the entire gaming community seems to be allergic too though.
@@Nfscarbon07 That's what they thought back then about the people who turned out to be cheaters. Yes it's a lot harder to cheat now when you stream your attempts and with modern cheat detection methods, but it still happens and even big streamers have been tempted into doing it. Cheese seems like a legit person who really loves and respects speedrunning, but the only way we prevent future cheating is by holding everyone to the same high standard
Imagine if he had been getting people to occasionally cheat in very specific ways for the last 13 years. I'd honestly be impressed with how long it had been planned out lol.
It's funny to imagine that he actually did organize a global effort to torpedo a community, all to profit off it after most of the originals were deleted and the runners retired
Considering these people were teenagers when any of it happened and show incredible remorse for doing it- it’s pretty disgusting to hold them accountable years later. Like... I get they did something pretty nasty, and some of their apologies were pretty strange. But they were teenagers. They’re weird as hell. I know I was. The idea that something like that- from something being held against me from when I was 15, for example would be used against me when I was 30 as a sign for harassment is bizarre and makes the people doing it absolutely disgusting and in the wrong for even considering 100%. There is no justification. Whatsoever.
@@DaVeganZombie I don't think people really stop to look at it critically in that way. The Internet makes adolescent mistakes fade much slower, especially when some of the people also used status as a defense and most of the runs have been reposted or archived in some capacity.
Yeah. It's sad too because a lot of them were teenagers trying to reach some level of fame and friendship they didn't have in the real world, and even when caught, most of them were remorseful over it and just straight up apologized. Yet some people would still think it's okay to judge them from their actions from the past and they greatly apologized for
@@DaVeganZombie "It's disgusting to hold [people] accountable" - DaVeganZombie, a 30-something-year-old-man who definitely has some skeletons in his closet
I have to give Myles credit. He was caught out with just ONE of the methods used to prove Billy Mitchell is a dirty cheat and he had the good sense to come clean. ...whereas Mitchell has been proven in pretty much every way possible and sues people in response.
Man, when I was 15 years old. I didn’t know the difference between gpu and cpu either. But then again, GPUs didn’t exist yet. At least not commercially.
I was about to post the same thing since a search said they didn't come out until Aug 1999. But additional research places them in the 80's. While Sony apparently created the name in 1994 (for the chip they used on the Playstation). I assume the 1999 date comes about as being the first commercially available one that wasn't already integrated into another system maybe?
@@squishypeanut42Yeah, they can. Stuff like the ENIAC (and a lot of older computers) had no graphics processing, just lights and punch cards as output. That's not graphics.
At first I thought just how insane it was that such a larger percentage of the WRs were cheated, but then it made sense... If a cheated WR isn't caught and is just far ahead of the skill level of any real player at that time, the only way for other records to happen is by also cheating. Good thing verification has gotten so good.
This nostalgia is crazy, I remember being a kid and getting the n64 with Mario for Christmas the year it came out and eventually my parents told me they stayed up all night playing it on Christmas Eve before putting it back in the box and wrapping it. So cool to see people still play this
Yooooooo my parents did that too! But I got mine in 99 with DK64. I was on snes and ps1 before then. They were divorced by that point but Christmas they would be there for us. R.I.P. Mama
Punishment for cheating just comes down to context. If they do the Harukaze/Dream, you ban for like 3 years. If they're a stupid 14 year old, you ban for 3 months. Later bans can be much longer if they're caught again. That's the way it should be imo.
@@0Asterite0 I understand the impulse to have zero tolerance, but who among us wasn't stupid in one way or another when we were 14? If you admit your faults and submit your future runs to careful scrutiny then why not let them come back? Like Cheese said at the end of the video there's a difference between some of these kids who cheated and people like Dream that doubled down over and over to protect themselves
6:38 "Up to this point holymoly's run was still not known to be cheated.. over three years later this run by myles would be the first to beat it" 9:35 "he claims to have been disillusioned by cheating growing out of control in the sm64 scene, however there is no clear evidence of any other known cheaters from this time" Dude, he literally cheated to beat a record that cheated. Maybe he could tell it looked fishy himself? That's a bad twist in logic to make him look worse where he already looked bad.
That's a dangerous assumption though, as Holy Moly's run wasn't known as suspicious at the time, since he was generally considered a good player of the game and the run itself didn't feature much suspicious play, Myles also isn't on record as stating that he thought it was cheated at the time, which is unusual if he considered it to be so
I remember being so happy as a kid when Myles first commented on one of my videos, probably around 2008 (I'm XLala95 on the leaderboards @ 12:10 and I later namechanged to LalaSM64), sad to see a 'childhood hero' of sorts fall from grace Although I think I remember some people in the single star speedrun community being annoyed at Myles already back then (with SilentSlayers at the forefront of it I think?), I might be misremembering the reason completely (after all this was over a decade ago) but I think it had to do with him misleading people by keeping World Record in the titles of his single star runs even after they had all been beaten or something
i hate cheating in speedrunning, but... i really like these videos. i watched so many "exposed" videos by now, that i feel like i'm part of the problem. anyway, back on topic: i apparently am the only one who loved "cheese reacts to" in the title xD
Emulator are the future regardless of the bad reputation. With every console which brakes or is taking dust in some home it will get harder and harder to get them
Imagine spending hours to practice using a TAS, then try to convince everyone it was legitimate. Feels like a waste of time, people put in work in speedrunning to have an impressive skill. Usning a TAS can be impressive, as long as you are clearly developing these tools and not lying about it.
Pfft, I whipped this up right now: "I awoke to my bedroom shaking with the wrath of Thor. I retreated to the latrine to release my bowels in panic, only for my testes to be met with Poseidon's kiss. It was evident my past evil deeds had caused a disturbance in the divine realms".
"I awoke to my bedroom shaking with the wrath of Thor. I retreated to the latrine to release my bowels in panic, only for my testes to be met with Poseidon's kiss. It was evident my past evil deeds had caused a disturbance in the divine realms".
Cheese, the difference between software and hardware is simple. The phone that I am holding in my hands is the hardware, the UA-cam app is the software.
Only putting this here cause he said he didn’t know the difference: Hardware is the physical materials of a machine, so like your screws, motherboard, fans, all the stuff you can touch and move around is the hardware. Software is the programming and coding, so the internal magic of data is your software. For example; take a game cartridge, the cartridge itself is hardware but the actual game inside is software.
almost feel like people who make the emu's could add like a watermark or some timer overlay on a game that cant be tampered with and has tells if it ever is tampered with or spliced in anyway which would make emu's better overall and viable for speedrunning again. think biggest problem atm on any game and almost any emu is the possibility of cheating because of emus making it easier to do so or edit ect
Cheating continues to become more complex. We must remain vigilant, even of the players that everyone loves and trusts, and continue to think creatively about how people may seek to unfairly gain a competitive advantage in full runs (or even just an unearned reputation in streaming circles). I hope that those who questioned my post about cheating the other day will now apologize.
CPU = Central processing unit. The main processor of a von neuman device. It reads instructions from memory and executes them in sequence. Has instruction sets optimized for general purpose calculations and program flow and sometimes instructions for specialized purposes such as encryption/decryption (e.g. AES) or vector extentions that allow additions or multiplications on a small number of values in parallel. GPU = Graphics processing unit. The processor on a graphics card or graphics chip. This is optimized and has instruction sets specifically dealing with graphics, altering pixels, handling voxels and executing compiled shaders that apply some effect to geometry and textures or individual pixels (for example cell shading or particle effects such as smoke). Software: A bundle instructions that run on the cpu to fulfill a task, such as the game on a game cartridge. Drivers: Software that directly speaks to specific hardware and acts as a common language, or abstraction layer, between the operating system and the hardware. Sometimes software bypasses the operating system and directly talks to the driver, which is called hardware abstraction layer. For example a hardware clock may have different addresses to hold the time in memory and some sort of protocol to get the time from the memory, such as sequentially reading bytes or asking for each byte individually from it's address. The driver then translates operating system requests for the time to the hardware specific implementation. Firmware: Software that directly runs on the hardware without involving the main CPU. Hardware can have their own microprocessors running little programs from their ROM. An example would be your cellphone modem that runs it's own little program to talk to the cell phone towers and react to incoming calls or receive and decipher GPS signals and store the coordinates and time in it's interal memory until requested by the main CPU. Or the program your printer runs internally. Firmware is not something the user typically interacts with and acts as driver and/or operating system for a device. Operating system: Software that provides system calls and libraries for other software to use, such as common I/O. It also handles messages between software, memory, storage, multi tasking and other such things like resource allocation and memory abstraction. Hardware: The circuits that make it all work. Once the magic smoke escapes they cease functioning.
The one thing I don’t like is that the dude in the video says holymoly brags. Just saying you used to be a record holder isn’t bragging. Also find it weird that whoever looked at the comment decided to spend their time looking at holymoly lore after looking at his comment.
15yrs old... we still know right from wrong, we are past the age of reason. We also understand sportsmanship and we also understand cheating in competitions. Your age isn't a shield.
I think what makes the emulator less popular is that there is no seasoning 🧂 in terms of minor camera changes to save time. It’s basically pro mode to play on N64 because “dealing with lag” and also the fact that N64 has the fastest times. I do agree that the cheaters definitely gave emulator a bad name and it kinda stuck.
I'm also missing a little part of my memory. Late 2015, early 2016 I got harassed, I still know this part. Summer 2016 to late 2017 I don't quite remember. Late summer 2016 I joined a Minecraft server dedicated to horses, I liked it, but having to farm 20k money to get a horse with no stats was horrible, not only was it time-consuming, no one wanted to sell horses with no stats, simply because it is more profitable to sell them at 100k with decent stats after 1 month of training the horse. And there was no other way to get horses from. Half a year passed, I got harassed in late 2017, and a stranger on the server got harassed for having two chunks of big protected land 1 year before two other players claimed huge claims around her. (I told the moderator handling the situation at the time, that it seems unfair to me to remove a native American claim based on the accusations of 2 Europeans (yes, I was this passive-aggressive)) I still know the time of these events, but I'm missing the time between those events for me to accurately put these events in what week it happened. The biggest traitor feeling I had was from the head of the server, she claimed to not be able to see who is where (in a 4-corners event) in what corner, I repeatedly told her to put a block above her because F5 is much better at expanding the FOV than anyone in the event can tell, especially when she can give herself speed effect without particles to expand it even further than my 2017 video can show. As a compromise, she put blocks all around her, but that didn't satisfy my demand of fairness, because she didn't put a block above her obstructing her FOV. She intentionally did that to not let go of her ability to manipulate the game and to refute my claims. (Note: the game is based on 4 colors that get called "at random" by the event organizer where players can choose the color between each time a color gets chosen, players of a chosen color lose) I also got some more videos of that server, better to say a mini-series of a certain player griefing an old monument, that gets its position announced every so often that took me 2 hours to find. (16k blocks of traveling) She didn't get punished, because 1. she had an innocent bystander told that she is trying to remove the grief (that she caused) and to support her, she would have to stop me from doing anything (by standing in me to take my ability to break or move at all), 2. the innocent bystander I got involved tried to support my claim and removed the cobblestone she saw get created by that person, and 3. she claimed the monument first before doing anything, first she broke the wooden stairs up to the monument (that was built to train McMMO Acrobatics) to kill me, then put lava all over the wooden stairs and later with my innocent bystander pour water on it to make it all cobblestone and then pour lava and water all over the rest of the building. (called lava-cast) (I made screenshots of all the signs at the top when she was trying to kill me by breaking blocks under me before she even claimed the land) I guess I have been writing for too long. Grammarly also detects 15 premium problems that I can't fix.
Hardware = the stuff you can touch, chips and drives and stuff Software = the stuff you cannot touch, the programming the hardware is meant to run. Firmware = the Software that is running right after turning on, meant to load the normal software like the operating system and help it running by providing a somewhat Standardized Interface to the hardware. So Firmware is Software, but it’s the only thing that stays when you turn off the machine and remove all storage and very closely tied to hardware. I think it’s calls ‚firm‘ as in ‚harder than soft but not hard‘.
I could NEVER cheat, cuz 1. i don't have a lover, and 2. my pride wouldn't let me have some kind of advantage over others in games -except Monopoly- . 18:53 Well, he's well known now XD Even if people wouldn't forgive others for cheating, at least don't go after them to attack them in any way. Just leave them forever if you keep hating them, and nothing more.
Its really important to self police and remember. It's regrettable for the young and foolish that dud cheat , only to regret and wish to come back but without the "once a cheater...." mindset you are just inviting for relapses. Like we see in sports, if you cheat, all respect and trust is gone and without those Speedrunning can't exist. We have to remember, their cheating seriously jeopardises speedrunning in it's entirety. If we can't trust a portion of runs, we lose it all.
Hey man just jumped into speed running halo I have been playing for almost 20 years and idk how you speedrun WR holders do what you do, you guys blow me away
Here to help: Firmware: In electronic systems and computing, firmware is the combination of persistent memory and program code and data stored in it. This data can barely be changed by the user itself without additional specific work and knowledge in this area. If not understable just ask. It means, that the software for your computer, which you cannot acces or shouln't acces, is imbedded on a hard drive or a cd like the drivers for your computer, but to change the drivers or the components of it, you need extra work.
Don't mind me, just time traveling from 2024. Cheese snagged the first sub 1 hour on SM64 and people suspect it being tassed, this video is already removed in my time so here I am. But it turns out he doesn't know how to tas, He is safe! Just an amazing speedrunner, congrads on sub 1 hour! (In 3 years of course)
Firmware is software that is pre-installed by the manufacturers into each of the components of your computer. For example your monitor has firmware, if this was not installed you would have to create software to interact with every bit of your screen to make it actually show images and it would have to be compatible with all other firm and hardware. This is why firmware of every computer has been standardised for every component, with only minor differences depending on manufacturer and product. This is also how your power unit knows where to use the electricity it gets. tl,dr Firmware is why there isnt an electrical fire every time you start your computer.
@@Vincent-fv1ch his name was DragonFire and i read thr entitr History of SM64 cheating made by FroztyZako that is in the description of CharlieBrown's video
Firmware is a type of software saved inside of a hardware device (motherboard, graphics card, hard drive, etc.) that controls how the device is used. It communicates between the software that the user interacts with (OS, drivers, etc.) and the device hardware, and rarely does the user interact directly with it. One exception to that is motherboard BIOS/UEFI, which is both a firmware and an OS.
18:06 "ToT should have been condemned more aggressively. I really regret it now. In the end, the fact that I failed to condemn ToT triggered an excess of cheating." This is a major problem that people don't focus on enough. One of the reasons UA-cam is the cesspool it is now is that UA-cam completely failed to enforce its own anti-piracy standards.
I was actually friends with HolyMoly from another game. When I found out he cheated, I messaged him asking if it was true. He read it but never responded to me, which answers my question, and I haven't talked to him since lol.
So Firmware. You know how computers have an Operating System (OS) such as Windows 10 that allows you to actually use a computer and use all the different programs and whatnot? Firmware is basically a specialized OS for specialized electronics (often times written or made to only ever be used on single device model) such as a Router/Modem. Generally firmware exists when you have an electronic device that only needs to do a specific job and having a full sized OS on it would be unnecessary or slow.
when i was 14 i was using cheats giving all the stuff in games on project64 and giving myself 99 rare candy and unlimited masterballs in pokemon fire red
Something very valuable that people need to take from this video, and it doesn't just apply to speedrunning, but ALL of the internet. Just because someone may be guilty of something in the past, that doesn't mean they are not able to change, and it certainly doesn't mean they should be harassed or bullied for the rest of their life. People DO change and grow, and learn from their mistakes. A lot of folks on the internet need to understand that and quit jumping on every hate bandwagon that comes along.
The reverse is also true. Just because someone is legitimately skilled at speedrunning a game doesn't mean that they won't cheat at some point. We should keep a careful eye on everyone even those who have earned the respect of the community
Here's what I don't get: 1. If you don't want to practice for months, you could learn audio editing and how to hide splices within a week. A bit harder 10-20 years ago, but the tools were already available. 2. If splicing is still an issue, why doesn't the verification include an audio check? Export the audio spectrum as an image and just look at it. I bet somebody could even automate the process.
btw firmware is the small bits of software that are (mostly) stored on and run thru the piece of hardware within the system (not just computers). think of it like the operating system that runs on your gfx card. it is soft and hard so its firm.
I still cannot imagine cheating at speed running. I understand what eventually motivates these people but hell, I don’t even use cheats in casual play. Where’s the feeling of accomplishment?
Okay three things 1. Dont worry, I dont know what the difference is between software, hardware, and firmware is either. 2. Is it bad that I am playing an emulator? I plan to possibly try world records several years from now when I get better. But if I would get judged like that, I dont think it would be worth it. However, I cant get a console. 3. Sorry I forgot. If it comes back, I will edit this. K, just remembered. I like how you are pretty nice and stuff even though you have done quite a lot. It is nice to see that you arent arrogant just because of your accomplishments.
im new and so faded that during the whole video i was like who is the cheese guy that has the world records but hes not talking about him. Lmfao didnt realize the guy in this video is cheese
Thank you so much for watching both of my videos on stream, it's an honor. It was super fun doing commentary with you today. Even more videos and streams to come in the future!
Your channels are amazing. Keep up the hard work
Your a legend
Keep it up Charlie
Great vid man. Definitely subbing to u
You deserve it :)
Its like simply and cheese aren't competing for 120 world record, but rather for the honor of putting 120 star record holder in the titles
Simply didn't put that in his titles did he?
@@PaddyRoon7 I’m pretty sure he did iirc.
Excuse me but let me correct you: Cheese takes his WR, Simply steals it, and Cheese goes "🙄" and retrieves it.
there.
youre welcome 😉
@@rezopolis ok
@@rezopolis huh
To be fair, I think the reason ToT's apology reads like a dramatic script is because of weird translation shenanigans between Japanese to English. I wouldn't be surprised if Google Translate was used and that's why it sounds so weird.
The fact I can almost bet people will still harass him sickens me. Dude was so young. He’s grown now. It’s not even part of his life and it sounds like he’s doing pretty well. I hope no one does but the internet can be a disgusting place.
@@DaVeganZombie
You sicken yourself through your own assumptions. Work on that cynicism, it's non-constructive and damaging to your character.
I believe Google Translate trains on a lot of professional translations of things like Shakespeare, the bible, official documents, and more.
@@easyaspi31415 it’s a great tool overall but it’s still pretty wacky sometimes
Wasn't the dramatic one miles's apology?
-Cheese gets wr
"120 star wr holder reacts to"
Epico
I love seeing "120 Star World Record Holder..." in your titles again.
True
Simply if you read this please get the record
I love Simply and Cheese, I'm happy as long as either of them got it
Rip Puncayshun is washed up now
@@joelikesthings L-Liam will come back to get it for sure... right..? Sadge
@@bidoof2op nah he got a 1:39 in a race sometime in the past couple weeks, he’s not going to stagnate. Ik “puncay 6th place” is a meme rn, but he’s definitely going to get a 1:38 soon, especially if he pulled off a marathon 1:39.
Yeah baby. You can play like TAS. Very impressive. Back in 2004 I held the 16 Star world record for several years. Holy Moly
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I think cheating can be forgiven, but the reaction to it determines whether you should be allowed to come back in my opinion. If you come clean and admit to cheating and accept a ban I think you should always be able to get a second chance, even when it was way after the fact. But if you never fully come clean and just keep denying that you cheated, there is no way you should be allowed to stay in the scene, because then it wasn't just a one time mistake or something stupid you did when you were young, you are fully commited to cheating at that point.
It's kinda tough because you never know when they're going to do it again and each run submitted will need to be scrutinized, if someone like cheese submits a run you know it will be legitimate
@@Nfscarbon07 Bad way to think about it, Don't assume someones run is legitimate you have to look at everyones runs as if they could be cheating or you get blind sided and end up allowing a cheated run on the leader boards.
I think that cheating a speedrun is super disrespectful to everybody who actually puts the time and effort into actually getting records. I dont think that we should completely demonize and shun them forever but I dont think that we should go "ehhh they feel bad so it's ok now" when they tried to boost their reputation without any consideration of people who actually put effort into their runs
Every year we seem to find newer ways to verify runs and check for cheating. I am not opposed to extra scrutiny like requiring hardware on cam, handcam or even directly recording the tv screen in specific situations. I don’t think it should be the norm but if we were to ever consider allowing a cheater back extremes like these don’t seem so extreme for them.
I believe in nuance which the entire gaming community seems to be allergic too though.
@@Nfscarbon07 That's what they thought back then about the people who turned out to be cheaters. Yes it's a lot harder to cheat now when you stream your attempts and with modern cheat detection methods, but it still happens and even big streamers have been tempted into doing it. Cheese seems like a legit person who really loves and respects speedrunning, but the only way we prevent future cheating is by holding everyone to the same high standard
Bruh why did Miles apology sound like he was admitting to murder 🤣
He forgot which confession he was typing halfway through.
It was a fanfic
"and that is why I'm sorry for murdering that man"
"we were talking about Mario 64 dude, WTF"
He used a lot of religious language. I wouldn't be surprised if he cheated because he "was sent a message by the ruler of the underworld."
Conspiracy theory: Charlie Brown has been purposely orchestrating faked gameplay to boost his UA-cam (not serious)
Imagine if he had been getting people to occasionally cheat in very specific ways for the last 13 years. I'd honestly be impressed with how long it had been planned out lol.
Based.
@@Zer0Spinn Based & speedpilled
@@MattCraftDotDerp lol youtube was 4 years old back then, an CharlieBrown64 was probably 10 or 11 😂 still funny to think about though.
It's funny to imagine that he actually did organize a global effort to torpedo a community, all to profit off it after most of the originals were deleted and the runners retired
Video - "Don't go harass these individuals"
Internet - "I'm still gonna"
Yeah, sadly.
Considering these people were teenagers when any of it happened and show incredible remorse for doing it- it’s pretty disgusting to hold them accountable years later.
Like... I get they did something pretty nasty, and some of their apologies were pretty strange. But they were teenagers. They’re weird as hell. I know I was.
The idea that something like that- from something being held against me from when I was 15, for example would be used against me when I was 30 as a sign for harassment is bizarre and makes the people doing it absolutely disgusting and in the wrong for even considering 100%.
There is no justification. Whatsoever.
@@DaVeganZombie I don't think people really stop to look at it critically in that way. The Internet makes adolescent mistakes fade much slower, especially when some of the people also used status as a defense and most of the runs have been reposted or archived in some capacity.
Yeah. It's sad too because a lot of them were teenagers trying to reach some level of fame and friendship they didn't have in the real world, and even when caught, most of them were remorseful over it and just straight up apologized. Yet some people would still think it's okay to judge them from their actions from the past and they greatly apologized for
@@DaVeganZombie "It's disgusting to hold [people] accountable" - DaVeganZombie, a 30-something-year-old-man who definitely has some skeletons in his closet
I have to give Myles credit. He was caught out with just ONE of the methods used to prove Billy Mitchell is a dirty cheat and he had the good sense to come clean.
...whereas Mitchell has been proven in pretty much every way possible and sues people in response.
"Ah, the antelope of death"
@@jacksonsmith2955 "It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64"
@@jacksonsmith2955 I'm going to start calling Karl Jobst that when he wins the case against him. 🤣
I was here for some of this! Awesome job to CharlieBrown64 for making this video.
"I wouldn't cheat, because I'm too dumb for it" - Cheese 2021
Man, when I was 15 years old. I didn’t know the difference between gpu and cpu either. But then again, GPUs didn’t exist yet. At least not commercially.
Gpus have existed for as long as computers have. A pc Litterally can't function without any graphics processing
I was about to post the same thing since a search said they didn't come out until Aug 1999. But additional research places them in the 80's. While Sony apparently created the name in 1994 (for the chip they used on the Playstation). I assume the 1999 date comes about as being the first commercially available one that wasn't already integrated into another system maybe?
@@squishypeanut42Yeah, they can. Stuff like the ENIAC (and a lot of older computers) had no graphics processing, just lights and punch cards as output. That's not graphics.
At first I thought just how insane it was that such a larger percentage of the WRs were cheated, but then it made sense... If a cheated WR isn't caught and is just far ahead of the skill level of any real player at that time, the only way for other records to happen is by also cheating. Good thing verification has gotten so good.
Honestly I'm not big into "reaction" content, but like... Actually hearing commentary from Cheese on the topic of speedrunning is super entertaining.
Everyone does dumb shit when they’re a kid but owning up to it as an adult is atleast respectable
This nostalgia is crazy, I remember being a kid and getting the n64 with Mario for Christmas the year it came out and eventually my parents told me they stayed up all night playing it on Christmas Eve before putting it back in the box and wrapping it. So cool to see people still play this
Yooooooo my parents did that too! But I got mine in 99 with DK64. I was on snes and ps1 before then. They were divorced by that point but Christmas they would be there for us. R.I.P. Mama
@@HoudiniFontmeister RIP mama!!
Punishment for cheating just comes down to context. If they do the Harukaze/Dream, you ban for like 3 years. If they're a stupid 14 year old, you ban for 3 months. Later bans can be much longer if they're caught again. That's the way it should be imo.
Yup. And obviously extra strict verification for past cheaters after their bans end
Should be 0 tolerance policy
@@0Asterite0 I understand the impulse to have zero tolerance, but who among us wasn't stupid in one way or another when we were 14? If you admit your faults and submit your future runs to careful scrutiny then why not let them come back? Like Cheese said at the end of the video there's a difference between some of these kids who cheated and people like Dream that doubled down over and over to protect themselves
Ironic, getting wr would bring notoriety, while cheating a wr and getting caught would get you remembered all this time
6:38 "Up to this point holymoly's run was still not known to be cheated.. over three years later this run by myles would be the first to beat it"
9:35 "he claims to have been disillusioned by cheating growing out of control in the sm64 scene, however there is no clear evidence of any other known cheaters from this time"
Dude, he literally cheated to beat a record that cheated. Maybe he could tell it looked fishy himself? That's a bad twist in logic to make him look worse where he already looked bad.
That's a dangerous assumption though, as Holy Moly's run wasn't known as suspicious at the time, since he was generally considered a good player of the game and the run itself didn't feature much suspicious play, Myles also isn't on record as stating that he thought it was cheated at the time, which is unusual if he considered it to be so
the best bit is that holy moly could have gotten away with it if the just shut their trap
That Antelope of death part made me belly laugh so hard xD
Cheese I have to tell you something. Your laugh keeps me going. Seriously I love your laugh
I remember being so happy as a kid when Myles first commented on one of my videos, probably around 2008 (I'm XLala95 on the leaderboards @ 12:10 and I later namechanged to LalaSM64), sad to see a 'childhood hero' of sorts fall from grace
Although I think I remember some people in the single star speedrun community being annoyed at Myles already back then (with SilentSlayers at the forefront of it I think?), I might be misremembering the reason completely (after all this was over a decade ago) but I think it had to do with him misleading people by keeping World Record in the titles of his single star runs even after they had all been beaten or something
It's nice finding an upload that doesn't have the music cut out of the Shadow of Miles apology
i hate cheating in speedrunning, but... i really like these videos. i watched so many "exposed" videos by now, that i feel like i'm part of the problem. anyway, back on topic: i apparently am the only one who loved "cheese reacts to" in the title xD
Emulator are the future regardless of the bad reputation.
With every console which brakes or is taking dust in some home it will get harder and harder to get them
"When I was 15 I didn't know the difference between GPU and CPU"
- Cheese 2021
Imagine spending hours to practice using a TAS, then try to convince everyone it was legitimate. Feels like a waste of time, people put in work in speedrunning to have an impressive skill. Usning a TAS can be impressive, as long as you are clearly developing these tools and not lying about it.
Difference between hardware and software: Hardware is what you kick, Software is what you curse. I had some good IT teachers.
Myles seems... very religious. His language or such kinda leads me to think that. I think it was just guilt and shame. I believe him
He seems to suffer genuine religious delusions, honestly.
Pfft, I whipped this up right now:
"I awoke to my bedroom shaking with the wrath of Thor. I retreated to the latrine to release my bowels in panic, only for my testes to be met with Poseidon's kiss. It was evident my past evil deeds had caused a disturbance in the divine realms".
I'm glad I discovered your content and you are good at what you do. Thank you for doing it legitimately.
I don't think Myles was memeing, he seems pretty religious just from his language. Probably overreacted a bit.
"I awoke to my bedroom shaking with the wrath of Thor. I retreated to the latrine to release my bowels in panic, only for my testes to be met with Poseidon's kiss. It was evident my past evil deeds had caused a disturbance in the divine realms".
@@phattjohnson genuine what the fuck
Holy Moly, that first one is so satisfying... Bragging about it leading to getting caught, so sweet
Cheese, the difference between software and hardware is simple. The phone that I am holding in my hands is the hardware, the UA-cam app is the software.
I just watched that Karl Jobst video on you regaining the world record and grand prize for SM64! Congrats☺️
Only putting this here cause he said he didn’t know the difference:
Hardware is the physical materials of a machine, so like your screws, motherboard, fans, all the stuff you can touch and move around is the hardware.
Software is the programming and coding, so the internal magic of data is your software.
For example; take a game cartridge, the cartridge itself is hardware but the actual game inside is software.
Karl Jobst said it the best about forgiving cheaters, when he pointed out that even cheaters in the Olympics don't get banned for life.
almost feel like people who make the emu's could add like a watermark or some timer overlay on a game that cant be tampered with and has tells if it ever is tampered with or spliced in anyway which would make emu's better overall and viable for speedrunning again. think biggest problem atm on any game and almost any emu is the possibility of cheating because of emus making it easier to do so or edit ect
Man, I can't get over how much effort they go through to catch cheaters. I am glad they do, but damn, this takes severe commitment.
12:32 Does anyone know which macro program that is?
Cheating continues to become more complex. We must remain vigilant, even of the players that everyone loves and trusts, and continue to think creatively about how people may seek to unfairly gain a competitive advantage in full runs (or even just an unearned reputation in streaming circles). I hope that those who questioned my post about cheating the other day will now apologize.
It’s so interesting watching cheese react to all these videos. He has the best reactions and commentary 😂
No matter how many times I hear about that holy moly story, it still cracks me up.
CPU = Central processing unit. The main processor of a von neuman device. It reads instructions from memory and executes them in sequence. Has instruction sets optimized for general purpose calculations and program flow and sometimes instructions for specialized purposes such as encryption/decryption (e.g. AES) or vector extentions that allow additions or multiplications on a small number of values in parallel.
GPU = Graphics processing unit. The processor on a graphics card or graphics chip. This is optimized and has instruction sets specifically dealing with graphics, altering pixels, handling voxels and executing compiled shaders that apply some effect to geometry and textures or individual pixels (for example cell shading or particle effects such as smoke).
Software: A bundle instructions that run on the cpu to fulfill a task, such as the game on a game cartridge.
Drivers: Software that directly speaks to specific hardware and acts as a common language, or abstraction layer, between the operating system and the hardware. Sometimes software bypasses the operating system and directly talks to the driver, which is called hardware abstraction layer. For example a hardware clock may have different addresses to hold the time in memory and some sort of protocol to get the time from the memory, such as sequentially reading bytes or asking for each byte individually from it's address. The driver then translates operating system requests for the time to the hardware specific implementation.
Firmware: Software that directly runs on the hardware without involving the main CPU. Hardware can have their own microprocessors running little programs from their ROM. An example would be your cellphone modem that runs it's own little program to talk to the cell phone towers and react to incoming calls or receive and decipher GPS signals and store the coordinates and time in it's interal memory until requested by the main CPU. Or the program your printer runs internally. Firmware is not something the user typically interacts with and acts as driver and/or operating system for a device.
Operating system: Software that provides system calls and libraries for other software to use, such as common I/O. It also handles messages between software, memory, storage, multi tasking and other such things like resource allocation and memory abstraction.
Hardware: The circuits that make it all work. Once the magic smoke escapes they cease functioning.
I remember Myles and was wondering why he isn't mentioned for any WR in other videos. Didn't know he cheated that's crazy.
Props to you openly saying that you don't know something like Firmware. Most people don't do that.
The one thing I don’t like is that the dude in the video says holymoly brags. Just saying you used to be a record holder isn’t bragging.
Also find it weird that whoever looked at the comment decided to spend their time looking at holymoly lore after looking at his comment.
15yrs old... we still know right from wrong, we are past the age of reason.
We also understand sportsmanship and we also understand cheating in competitions.
Your age isn't a shield.
“It’s Metroid” Ness is my favorite Metroid character
I love the term firmware. It's basically the interface connecting software and hardware. What's between soft and hard? Firm.
I think what makes the emulator less popular is that there is no seasoning 🧂 in terms of minor camera changes to save time. It’s basically pro mode to play on N64 because “dealing with lag” and also the fact that N64 has the fastest times. I do agree that the cheaters definitely gave emulator a bad name and it kinda stuck.
Am I the only one unfamiliar with this "antelope of death"?
I'm also missing a little part of my memory.
Late 2015, early 2016 I got harassed, I still know this part. Summer 2016 to late 2017 I don't quite remember.
Late summer 2016 I joined a Minecraft server dedicated to horses, I liked it, but having to farm 20k money to get a horse with no stats was horrible, not only was it time-consuming, no one wanted to sell horses with no stats, simply because it is more profitable to sell them at 100k with decent stats after 1 month of training the horse. And there was no other way to get horses from.
Half a year passed, I got harassed in late 2017, and a stranger on the server got harassed for having two chunks of big protected land 1 year before two other players claimed huge claims around her.
(I told the moderator handling the situation at the time, that it seems unfair to me to remove a native American claim based on the accusations of 2 Europeans (yes, I was this passive-aggressive))
I still know the time of these events, but I'm missing the time between those events for me to accurately put these events in what week it happened.
The biggest traitor feeling I had was from the head of the server, she claimed to not be able to see who is where (in a 4-corners event) in what corner, I repeatedly told her to put a block above her because F5 is much better at expanding the FOV than anyone in the event can tell, especially when she can give herself speed effect without particles to expand it even further than my 2017 video can show.
As a compromise, she put blocks all around her, but that didn't satisfy my demand of fairness, because she didn't put a block above her obstructing her FOV. She intentionally did that to not let go of her ability to manipulate the game and to refute my claims. (Note: the game is based on 4 colors that get called "at random" by the event organizer where players can choose the color between each time a color gets chosen, players of a chosen color lose)
I also got some more videos of that server, better to say a mini-series of a certain player griefing an old monument, that gets its position announced every so often that took me 2 hours to find. (16k blocks of traveling)
She didn't get punished, because 1. she had an innocent bystander told that she is trying to remove the grief (that she caused) and to support her, she would have to stop me from doing anything (by standing in me to take my ability to break or move at all), 2. the innocent bystander I got involved tried to support my claim and removed the cobblestone she saw get created by that person, and 3. she claimed the monument first before doing anything, first she broke the wooden stairs up to the monument (that was built to train McMMO Acrobatics) to kill me, then put lava all over the wooden stairs and later with my innocent bystander pour water on it to make it all cobblestone and then pour lava and water all over the rest of the building. (called lava-cast)
(I made screenshots of all the signs at the top when she was trying to kill me by breaking blocks under me before she even claimed the land)
I guess I have been writing for too long. Grammarly also detects 15 premium problems that I can't fix.
Best not to dwell.
I love the fact that the video uses Super Metroid music, real intriguing stuff.
Hardware = the stuff you can touch, chips and drives and stuff
Software = the stuff you cannot touch, the programming the hardware is meant to run.
Firmware = the Software that is running right after turning on, meant to load the normal software like the operating system and help it running by providing a somewhat Standardized Interface to the hardware.
So Firmware is Software, but it’s the only thing that stays when you turn off the machine and remove all storage and very closely tied to hardware.
I think it’s calls ‚firm‘ as in ‚harder than soft but not hard‘.
I don't know why videos about cheating in speedrunning are so interesting, but they really are
I could NEVER cheat, cuz 1. i don't have a lover, and 2. my pride wouldn't let me have some kind of advantage over others in games -except Monopoly- .
18:53 Well, he's well known now XD
Even if people wouldn't forgive others for cheating, at least don't go after them to attack them in any way.
Just leave them forever if you keep hating them, and nothing more.
Its really important to self police and remember.
It's regrettable for the young and foolish that dud cheat , only to regret and wish to come back but without the "once a cheater...." mindset you are just inviting for relapses.
Like we see in sports, if you cheat, all respect and trust is gone and without those Speedrunning can't exist.
We have to remember, their cheating seriously jeopardises speedrunning in it's entirety.
If we can't trust a portion of runs, we lose it all.
Hey man just jumped into speed running halo I have been playing for almost 20 years and idk how you speedrun WR holders do what you do, you guys blow me away
I would love to see your reaction to one of Nobori blind speedruns. He just broke his own record for 16 star..... again
Thanks for your opinion Cheese. You are a fucking legend!
That's Clint Stevens, that's quality.
Super Mario 64 speed runs are still the most impressive things I've ever seen in video games.
I want some sunny side up eggs please 🥺
Here to help: Firmware: In electronic systems and computing, firmware is the combination of persistent memory and program code and data stored in it. This data can barely be changed by the user itself without additional specific work and knowledge in this area. If not understable just ask. It means, that the software for your computer, which you cannot acces or shouln't acces, is imbedded on a hard drive or a cd like the drivers for your computer, but to change the drivers or the components of it, you need extra work.
Don't mind me, just time traveling from 2024. Cheese snagged the first sub 1 hour on SM64 and people suspect it being tassed, this video is already removed in my time so here I am.
But it turns out he doesn't know how to tas, He is safe! Just an amazing speedrunner, congrads on sub 1 hour! (In 3 years of course)
whats the hardest star to speedrun? im thinking of starting to speedrun sm64
Most speedruners says it's the 8 red coins on shift sand land. There is a video saying that and explaining the strats.
For single star carpetless, 120 star it could be SSL reds according to a Simply vid
When I watched Charlie browns video I was like "cheese needs to watch this vid" and now were here.
Woah posted 9 seconds ago? Jeez I'm still paying child support for the last time I came this early
that's so gamer
Firmware is software that is pre-installed by the manufacturers into each of the components of your computer. For example your monitor has firmware, if this was not installed you would have to create software to interact with every bit of your screen to make it actually show images and it would have to be compatible with all other firm and hardware. This is why firmware of every computer has been standardised for every component, with only minor differences depending on manufacturer and product. This is also how your power unit knows where to use the electricity it gets.
tl,dr
Firmware is why there isnt an electrical fire every time you start your computer.
Yeah baby. You can play like TAS. Very impressive. Back in 2004 held the 16 Star world record for several years. Holy Moly
One person that admitted that he's run was splicing died April 2019 as 19 years old
What? how do you know this? and who?
@@Vincent-fv1ch his name was DragonFire and i read thr entitr History of SM64 cheating made by FroztyZako that is in the description of CharlieBrown's video
@@RoseQuartz692 could not find anything on that what so ever in all of the documents listed.
@@Vincent-fv1ch it’s in the extra chapters, i just read it
Firmware is a type of software saved inside of a hardware device (motherboard, graphics card, hard drive, etc.) that controls how the device is used. It communicates between the software that the user interacts with (OS, drivers, etc.) and the device hardware, and rarely does the user interact directly with it. One exception to that is motherboard BIOS/UEFI, which is both a firmware and an OS.
Cheese: "At 15 I didn't even know the difference between GPU and CPU", me at 21 who does not know it either: "Hold my beer"🤣
Shoutout to Caivs, recognized his name. Awesome dude.
When simply takes wr back and cheese has to change the title of ALL his videos
I think as long as it's a true claim at the time the video went up, it's fine.
@@StrategicGamesEtc it was a joke cos simply had to change all his lol
18:06 "ToT should have been condemned more aggressively. I really regret it now. In the end, the fact that I failed to condemn ToT triggered an excess of cheating."
This is a major problem that people don't focus on enough. One of the reasons UA-cam is the cesspool it is now is that UA-cam completely failed to enforce its own anti-piracy standards.
Who else always looks forward to Cheese uploads?
I was actually friends with HolyMoly from another game. When I found out he cheated, I messaged him asking if it was true. He read it but never responded to me, which answers my question, and I haven't talked to him since lol.
How can any time count unless they play on the same console, same monitor, same controller, same room with many people watching?
So Firmware.
You know how computers have an Operating System (OS) such as Windows 10 that allows you to actually use a computer and use all the different programs and whatnot?
Firmware is basically a specialized OS for specialized electronics (often times written or made to only ever be used on single device model) such as a Router/Modem.
Generally firmware exists when you have an electronic device that only needs to do a specific job and having a full sized OS on it would be unnecessary or slow.
What are those tags below the first recommended video on the right side in the first minute of the video? Never seen that before.
when i was 14 i was using cheats giving all the stuff in games on project64 and giving myself 99 rare candy and unlimited masterballs in pokemon fire red
that british accent wasnt half bad have to admit
Something very valuable that people need to take from this video, and it doesn't just apply to speedrunning, but ALL of the internet. Just because someone may be guilty of something in the past, that doesn't mean they are not able to change, and it certainly doesn't mean they should be harassed or bullied for the rest of their life. People DO change and grow, and learn from their mistakes. A lot of folks on the internet need to understand that and quit jumping on every hate bandwagon that comes along.
The reverse is also true. Just because someone is legitimately skilled at speedrunning a game doesn't mean that they won't cheat at some point. We should keep a careful eye on everyone even those who have earned the respect of the community
I’m over here watching people cheat at a game I never finished. I never even got to bowser...ever
Here's what I don't get:
1. If you don't want to practice for months, you could learn audio editing and how to hide splices within a week. A bit harder 10-20 years ago, but the tools were already available.
2. If splicing is still an issue, why doesn't the verification include an audio check? Export the audio spectrum as an image and just look at it. I bet somebody could even automate the process.
btw firmware is the small bits of software that are (mostly) stored on and run thru the piece of hardware within the system (not just computers). think of it like the operating system that runs on your gfx card. it is soft and hard so its firm.
I still cannot imagine cheating at speed running. I understand what eventually motivates these people but hell, I don’t even use cheats in casual play. Where’s the feeling of accomplishment?
I should speedrun single star, I might actually get a wr after a while
Wait if that’s a large reason why emulator is looked down upon what’s the reason for VC?
Just found your channel this is entertaining and secondly pause sorry but I am pause patrol 😂 I’ve watched like 4 of these videos so far
Okay three things
1. Dont worry, I dont know what the difference is between software, hardware, and firmware is either.
2. Is it bad that I am playing an emulator? I plan to possibly try world records several years from now when I get better. But if I would get judged like that, I dont think it would be worth it. However, I cant get a console.
3. Sorry I forgot. If it comes back, I will edit this.
K, just remembered. I like how you are pretty nice and stuff even though you have done quite a lot. It is nice to see that you arent arrogant just because of your accomplishments.
im new and so faded that during the whole video i was like who is the cheese guy that has the world records but hes not talking about him. Lmfao didnt realize the guy in this video is cheese
I said this in the original video, but I'll say it again here. The name that shows as "White Aris" is actually "White Alice"
Cheese :great attitude
true champ
great content
Keep it up
10:29 Artacus:hey Vsauce
Cheese "120 Star World Record Holder" 05
You actually have to react when your in a reaction video.