Is TerraMaster... GOOD Now? | F4-424 MAX + TOS6

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @kevinhu196
    @kevinhu196 21 день тому +60

    Just FYI, 任务 (ren wu) in Chinese means mission or operation, but in software/OS, it means "task" in English. 开始任务 (kai shi ren wu), is what Chinese software will say when it wants to start a task. So it gets lost in translation the task and mission.

    • @Tolcum
      @Tolcum 17 днів тому +2

      This is super cool, thank you for the explanation!

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber 21 день тому +94

    Is Hardware Haven...good?
    No. Hardware Haven is amazing!

  • @tolpacourt
    @tolpacourt 21 день тому +28

    We used to be able to buy SCSI or SATA disk cages that were 99% metal. The drive sleds were metal. The latches were metal. Never forget what they took from us.

  • @bobafett2598
    @bobafett2598 21 день тому +43

    Bc of this many solutions out there (Synology, Qnap, TerraMaster, Ugreen, NoName-Things...) im glad i found my way with bare metal Debian, Docker Compose and DIY Stations. Much more flexible and easy to use

    • @31SHAMAN12
      @31SHAMAN12 21 день тому +2

      Me, too. It's cool and practical

    • @okoeroo
      @okoeroo 21 день тому +2

      As a hardware platform, this thing seems pretty nice

    • @fujinshu
      @fujinshu 13 днів тому

      Synology is really the only completely locked-down NAS on your list. Everything else has an unlocked bootloader, meaning other OS’ can be installed instead.
      Why doesn’t Terra-Master get the memo? They should ditch their in-house TOS and switch to something like UnRAID or even a TrueNAS backend (with maybe a TOS GUI and some other plugins) for enterprise NAS appliances.

  • @skorpysk
    @skorpysk 21 день тому +16

    900$ for a 4 bay
    For that money, i can take time off work, learn the entirety of how to build a NAS, build one myself, WITH DRIVES
    and get solid Networking laid out

    • @scytob
      @scytob 16 днів тому +2

      i would like to see you build a home NAS with USB4/TB4 ports, that can do 40gbe interdomain for less money....(hint you can't, there are no cheap motherboards that do that)

    • @tfkoincognito
      @tfkoincognito 15 днів тому

      ​@scytob that's what add in cards are for...

    • @scytob
      @scytob 15 днів тому +1

      @@tfkoincognito you cant add USB4 cards, there is no such thing unless the mobo has a TB4 header, they are super expensive

    • @fujinshu
      @fujinshu 13 днів тому

      @@scytobYou CAN add USB4 cards and at least data transfer, power delivery, networking and PCIe tunnelling work, but there is NO hotplugging, which is the ENTIRE point of USB.

    • @scytob
      @scytob 13 днів тому +1

      @@fujinshu only on motherboards with the right header, chipset and CPU features, you can't add USB4 cards beyond that, no adding USB4 is anything with just PCIE slots, they don't work. Also you don't seem to realize USB4 is not USB - its unbranded TB3/TB4 with USB3.2 tunneling over a routed protocol.

  • @bufordmaddogtannen
    @bufordmaddogtannen 21 день тому +16

    I think an alternative OS would be more suited for this NAS.
    TOS doesn't support full disk encryption, only folder encryption.
    Folders cannot be decrypted, you would need to move files out. Encrypted folders still reveal files metadata. As mentioned in the video VirtualBox is outdated.
    Software aside, I'd love to see how quickly the CPU gets to 98 degrees C once under load.

  • @AlwaysBolttheBird
    @AlwaysBolttheBird 21 день тому +9

    Honestly Terramaster has always been good. It’s the software that hasn’t been good. I’ve had one for about 2 years and the first thing I did was install TrueNAS and it was a $350 4 bay NAS

  • @chris582
    @chris582 21 день тому +63

    10 USD a month for a 3rd party repo?!

    • @mbpro08
      @mbpro08 21 день тому +7

      Yep, this sucks.

    • @kevinhu196
      @kevinhu196 21 день тому +7

      Honestly if I try to install software and it ask me to pay to install more dependencies I'd just give up. But then again, I never used third party NAS software all I used is the terminal to deploy apps either using apt or docker.

    • @Lunolux
      @Lunolux 20 днів тому

      @@kevinhu196 the website required to sign up to let you download something, at this step i would already quit the website xD

  • @georgegroot586
    @georgegroot586 21 день тому +2

    This is the NAS the Chief Information Officer buys, configures, and installs in the CEOs home network.

  • @Dragonheng
    @Dragonheng 21 день тому +4

    It feels like ready-made NAS systems are coming onto the market like smartphones.
    They can almost all do the same thing, just with a different sticker and sometimes with a software lock.

  • @tonicipriani
    @tonicipriani 21 день тому +3

    Good to know they are now embracing third-party OSes and accessories rather than trying hard to restrict it. The old one had issues with third party of memory and had boot options hidden to prevent booting unless you completely remove the internal OS USB.

  • @haydenc2742
    @haydenc2742 21 день тому +1

    Good review, honest and intuitive checking all the "specs" testing boxes.
    Definitely a OOF on price and lack of a few options. Seems they scrimped on a few things, then over compensated on others
    The nice thing is they are listening and developing and seem willing to work with the homelabber community
    I wonder what a community purpose built NAS would look like...this one comes close but falls short on some aspects
    Keep em coming!!!!

  • @deechvogt1589
    @deechvogt1589 21 день тому +1

    Nice video Colton. Thanks for your diligence and persistance in giving us this in depth review.

  • @gotsum4111
    @gotsum4111 20 днів тому

    Love the intros and jingle. Keep up the good work!

  • @Valnjes
    @Valnjes 15 годин тому

    Got the F2-424, Booted Synology DiskStation Manager from another USB, and profited a lot.

  • @nuptay
    @nuptay 21 день тому +3

    hardware haven is the heaven of hardware

  • @JeffJohnson
    @JeffJohnson 21 день тому +6

    Beem watching Hardware Haven for a while and to me, it seems like it's more fun to build your own NAS instead of buying one.

    • @JosephFrietze
      @JosephFrietze 21 день тому +2

      Yeah, I would think most fans of the channel would do that. BUT, an off the shelf device can be useful for a friend or family member who wants network storage in their house and you don't want to contantly provide tech support.

    • @TheDesertsweeper
      @TheDesertsweeper 20 днів тому +1

      The compact size and relative power is very compelling

    • @fujinshu
      @fujinshu 13 днів тому

      Yes, but any NAS system with an unlocked bootloader is great, since they come with other functionality that is often expensive, such as hot-swappable drives and Thunderbolt/USB4.

  • @JamesPotts
    @JamesPotts 21 день тому +1

    I bought a used supermicro with 12 hot-swap bays, 8 cores, and 32GB of ram for $200. Initial outlay was under $1000 for some seriously good performance.
    And since it was standard components, a few years later I upgraded the motherboard (for another ~$200) to 20 cores/40 threads and 128GB of ram. Currently running 8 14TB drives in raid z2, and a couple 8TB drives for removable backup swapping.

    • @JamesPotts
      @JamesPotts 21 день тому +1

      And my data has survived multiple drive failures over the years.

    • @Zeric1
      @Zeric1 17 днів тому +1

      No doubt that type of setup is an option and can be cheap to purchase, for most though, it's more performance than needed and the additional on-going electricity of a server grade motherboard and CPU isn't justified. Most home lab services (NAS, home assistant, plex/jellyfin, tailscale, etc) don't require a whole lot of CPU power. I've tried to convince myself I need more cores and memory, but when I do an honest analysis, I find I really don't.

    • @JamesPotts
      @JamesPotts 17 днів тому

      @@Zeric1 very valid points. I paid extra (~$150 vs 70) for my main switch (new mikrotik vs used data center), because the new one would pay for the difference in 3 months electricity use.

  • @dion2027
    @dion2027 21 день тому +3

    Can you make a DIY ITX NAS build one time? I’m curious if you can get hotswap and ecc memory for the same price as this TerraMaster.

  • @TheQuickSilver101
    @TheQuickSilver101 21 день тому

    It's nice to know that Terramaster is improving. I guess you either need to pay up to have what you want included or be willing to get your hands dirty. I almost always pick getting my hands dirty. Thanks!

  • @adsydas
    @adsydas 21 день тому

    The Gridfinity files in the desktop tells me Colten is ready to get into a deeeeeep rabbit hole

  • @curtiscrowethephotopro2453
    @curtiscrowethephotopro2453 21 день тому +3

    You can't post this, I just bought the Aoostar WTR Pro because of you lol like literally minutes ago. Naw, great video as always. The Aoostar is in my budget and will get me by until I buy a 45 Drives HL8

    • @gazehound
      @gazehound 21 день тому +2

      WTR Pro is a way better deal

    • @v0ldy54
      @v0ldy54 20 днів тому

      Aoostar is wasaaay better than this when you factor in the cost

    • @Zeric1
      @Zeric1 17 днів тому

      The HL8 is nice, but I can't get past the price for the version with just a chassis and backplane. Seems at least double of what it should be. If cost is not a concern, then yea, get the fully built model.

  • @bradkuntzelman5343
    @bradkuntzelman5343 21 день тому +1

    I bought a TM F4-423 and run Debian/KVM/Docker/Samba on it. Its pretty great. My unit has a flaw, tho, no matter the O/S running on it... the network light flashes all the time, regardless of traffic. Kind of annoying.

  • @jackymok4848
    @jackymok4848 21 день тому

    I can see why it's priced so high in comparison to... the 2-bay F2-212 I bought awhile ago. But I think that's for people who are more ambitious than I am. Originally, all I wanted was a simple RAID 1 setup, but when I started exploring what else I could do with the rest of the hardware, that's where they started shoving all sorts of stuff in
    with that said, I'm still trying to find a 4-bay to jam my other spare drives in lol

  • @williamokano
    @williamokano 21 день тому

    I haven't finished watching the video yet, but regarding the first question about having good/modern hardware to run plex or whatever, it couldn't be more true. I've been looking for a NAS that could tackle both "NAS" + "HomeLab" + Plex in a single package and I couldn't find any, at least not turnkey solution.
    I was really really putting great expectation in the Asustor AS68XXT, and it seems to be incredible (still waiting for 3rd-party reviews off course), but being the "smallest" of the V3000 (in terms of cores even though base frequency is lower) and not having GPU for transcoding plex it's a deal breaker. Not to mention the price, but for everything it has, I think the premium price is justfied. 20 PCIe lanes, 4xnvme, 4-10x SATA, 2x 10gbps nic, 2x 2.5gbps nic, up to 64gb ECC memory. Just a little, really really little push and I can get my ideal NAS.
    tl;dr; your channel is awesome and I'm a huge fan, thanks for the great work so far and NAS'ses are expensive (but probably worth it).

    • @Zeric1
      @Zeric1 17 днів тому

      I've also been struggling to find the solution for NAS+HomeLab+Plex, and it's surprisingly elusive. It seems there is always something missing, either slow network, or limited RAM, or slow CPU, etc., or it's simply too expensive. The Aoostar WTR Pro seems like the best compromise so far for turnkey hardware, but it's not perfect.

  • @bearde_mut9731
    @bearde_mut9731 21 день тому +3

    Loved the MW2 Prestige/ level up sound when discussing the mission part, took me back to the good ol' days where I didn't have a care in the world.

  • @manitoba-op4jx
    @manitoba-op4jx 21 день тому +1

    the 12th gen is a good thing, 13/14th gen had all the issues

  • @mikecondo
    @mikecondo 21 день тому +1

    Let's start the mission!

  • @SilentDecode
    @SilentDecode 21 день тому +1

    I'm not paying $900 for an empty chassis with space for only 4 disks. No way. That's about $600 too expensive for me. I'd rather buy something older at that point and modify it to my standards.
    I mean.. I recently bought a 12-bay Synology RS2418+ for €500, and that even has 10Gbit SFP+ connections.

  • @RenegadeTwister
    @RenegadeTwister 19 днів тому +1

    Start the mission 😎

  • @RiccardoPalombo
    @RiccardoPalombo 16 днів тому

    Really nice video, thanks.

  • @funkijote
    @funkijote 21 день тому

    This'll be a nice piece of kit when it goes on sale for $600-700. Also, the 6-bay version with same specs is only $100 more at $1k, so a better deal if you can use the extra bays.

  • @Yeah_Buddy_LIGHTWEIGHT
    @Yeah_Buddy_LIGHTWEIGHT 21 день тому

    Thinking about getting this, but definitely going to run Proxmox on this for VMs and containers

  • @kidrissa
    @kidrissa 21 день тому

    I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the F4-424 (not the Pro or Max version...so...the "Plain"?) and how you think it compares to some of the other systems you mentioned. That's a system I've been considering for a first NAS.

  • @TheDesertsweeper
    @TheDesertsweeper 20 днів тому

    I suspect this will make an awesome Blueiris NVR

  • @adamturtle69
    @adamturtle69 21 день тому

    Yes, and unfortunately no Reed white caching, which is very important when working with physical drives that still rotate.

  • @crissnickers_frog6689
    @crissnickers_frog6689 19 днів тому

    in this setup need a LCD?like ubiquiti....or transfer over NFC or a cool stand?or adapter to rack mount it?

  • @DIYDaveOK
    @DIYDaveOK 21 день тому

    Great stuff, Colten.

  • @blindtechh
    @blindtechh 21 день тому

    I want to give my mom a simple NAS solution without making her do all the dirty technical work… but I’m leaning towards Synology or some kind of brand that do make some off the shelf NAS so that way if my mom decides to expand and make herself a Jellyfin server, I don’t want her to be frustrated with permissions when she don’t want to spend any money just to get the services working.

    • @Janzzze
      @Janzzze 21 день тому

      Synology definitely have the most tech illiterate friendly off the shelf NAS devices, its more limited and you pay a hefty premium for it though but its what I would get my mom

  • @scytob
    @scytob 21 день тому +1

    Makes my $900 zimacube pro 64 gb look great value.

  • @Napert
    @Napert 21 день тому

    maybe try increasing the black levels/exposure a bit?
    on some angles (especially the top down desk one) over half the frame is just a black void/clipping, which doesn't look too good

  • @Chris-yc3mm
    @Chris-yc3mm 21 день тому

    I've had a terramaster nas for a while now. First thing i did was replace their software with truenas. Perfect middle road

  • @ETTechnologis
    @ETTechnologis 14 днів тому

    Could you please make a video about the new Asustor Lockerstor Gen3? I know I know, they are expensive... But, from what I can tell, the specs are pretty amazing and in contrast to many other OEMs (like Terramaster here) they officially allow you to run your own OS. I would love to hear your oppinion on that bevor I buy one of these myself.
    Cheers!

  • @albertfrengki
    @albertfrengki 21 день тому

    Why this show on my UA-cam Recommendation and i just subbed this channel
    Cool

  • @LongBeachRunner
    @LongBeachRunner 21 день тому +4

    TerraMaster: hey chatgpt, we have dozens of extremely similar nas', what can we do to make them better
    chatgpt: add some unique options that only attract the most edge use cases, and a price increase
    TerraMaster: :thumbsup:

  • @Napert
    @Napert 21 день тому +2

    $900 for 0tb of storage?
    i got 6x4tb drives for a 1/3 of what they're asking for

  • @SimplyAwesomeness
    @SimplyAwesomeness 15 днів тому

    The USB connected to the motherboard already has TOS pre-installed on it, just needed to re-enable booting from it in Bios. Why did you re-install it again on another drive?

  • @jfkastner
    @jfkastner 21 день тому

    Great review, thanks! A bit too pricey for what it offers.

  • @GsrItalia
    @GsrItalia 18 днів тому

    At 05:25 I found that bios version on this unit is 5.26, july 2024.
    At least, its later than microcode patch of may, however terramaster do not provide any information nor separate download for bios updates.
    Intel releas microcodes often... at time of writing, microcodes released even at october 29th.
    So... do Terramaster behave adequately as mainboard "reseller"?
    I was not able to find any security advisory page on the support website. No bios information for F4-424 Max, and forum still lacks a security advisory section. For a company bringing to market both hardware and software well... not the best. Other brands do not provide bios updates, however security issues on the software are specifically reported on appropriate pages named for explaining "issues are there".
    Oh boy. Only at 07:11 I was able to know that 10gbe adapters are.. Aquantia AQC113C. According to STH, this is a nice 4w 10Gbe chip, that can get actual 9.5gps transfer rate. It's not the best in class, but for the power consumption is a nice one. With the price of these boxes, network chips embedded are IMVHO worth... of talking about.

  • @mrkdosmil2879
    @mrkdosmil2879 19 днів тому

    Hey Man, I think out of all the self-hosted/homelab UA-camrs you're the one who's got an AV background so why don't you do something on a DIY self-hosted whole room audio streaming setup using self-hosted solutions like LMS or Snapcast and on the cheap if possible.

  • @DuoDevs-Studios
    @DuoDevs-Studios 21 день тому

    hay HH, how was your day?

  • @Adamrashwan407
    @Adamrashwan407 21 день тому

    i love your channel i swear

  • @jmd1743
    @jmd1743 21 день тому

    5 + 2 for redundancy & a duplicate set for backup. So a rack mounted NAS with atleast 14 drive bays. Why 5 drives? you would get close to 100tb storage with upcoming HDDs. The redundancy is to give you enough time from vacation or what ever to swap in replacement HDDs.

  • @Andy-fd5fg
    @Andy-fd5fg 21 день тому

    They almost got the hardware right......
    I'll put my vote towards four m.2 slots at Gen4x2. Unless you have a VM or Container running doing some crazy IO to the NVME, it is never going to saturate a Gen4x4.
    At least they didn't put four m.2 slots all at different generations and lane counts.
    And if only they had put at least one USB port on the front.... for easy backups.
    Maybe they will bring out a six 3.5 bay and 4 m.2 device..... might have to sell someone's new born to the devil to be able to afford it though 🤪

  • @Cynyr
    @Cynyr 21 день тому

    Basically i wish terramaster would just ship stock truenas scale and focus on good hardware for the price. I don't really want to run some weird os on my nas.

    • @riffdex
      @riffdex 6 днів тому

      True. But I think they’re hoping to develop their software more and have a chance competing with Synology and have a more long-term plan basically

  • @hotswapster
    @hotswapster 21 день тому

    Hey can you RAID1 the NVMe drives? (want to install proxmox and the VM OSs on SSD and passthrough all the spinning drives to a VM)

  • @arubial1229
    @arubial1229 21 день тому +1

    Unraid would be so much better than TOS

  • @kristof9497
    @kristof9497 21 день тому

    Thank you.

  • @balex96
    @balex96 21 день тому +1

    No way this is worth $800. Max $600

  • @MyersJ2Original
    @MyersJ2Original 21 день тому

    Need the same NAS but 8 bay. But 900 is crack.

  • @fabricionaweb
    @fabricionaweb 21 день тому

    00:06 what is this? looks great

    • @drakkon_sol
      @drakkon_sol 21 день тому +1

      He did a video on it a few months back. Go look at his history. He actually made that tray.

    • @fabricionaweb
      @fabricionaweb 21 день тому

      @drakkon_sol thank you, I watch a bunch of his videos but I missed that one 😅

  • @AndrewBawitlung
    @AndrewBawitlung 21 день тому

    19:24 😭😭😭

  • @DoodleAks
    @DoodleAks 21 день тому

    Can someone link the 3D Printed HDD Cage at 0:04 ? Thanks

  • @ThatRandomDude914
    @ThatRandomDude914 21 день тому +1

    You should build a Pi NAS with Ceph or similar. Build a cluster so it is fully redundant. (Also VMWare has an EXSi ARM fling that works great on pi hardware. VCenter too and it’s godlike)

  • @Kysen10
    @Kysen10 13 днів тому

    Was interested till you announced the price, ouch.

  • @Malumen
    @Malumen 21 день тому

    The single dev is a nightmare to deal with. Very vindictive and dismissive, deletes any feedback or suggestions.
    17:46 I have also STRUGGLED to get jellyfin working. After tonnes of research within their forums I got mine to work, but after a week it needs to be restarted (won't let anyone stream anything, crazy error messages).
    If someone else could make Docker for idiots, so we can bypass the dev's half-baked mess, that'd be great.

  • @ewenchan1239
    @ewenchan1239 21 день тому

    My QNAP 4-bay NAS that I bought in 2018 was cheaper than this.
    Granted, it doesn't have any NVMe slots, only has dual 1 GbE NICs and also has a Celeron J3455 in it and RAM tops out at 8 GB, but for what it is, it works.
    At almost $900, this is way overpriced.

  • @CompuWhizz
    @CompuWhizz 21 день тому

    What is the fascination with transcoding... Just use devices that have no need of it!

    • @dave7244
      @dave7244 20 днів тому

      If you use Jellyfin in the web-browser it needs to transcode h265 media in real time to H264 or something a browser can use. I have jellyfin on a raspberry pi and that can't decode h265 to h264 on the fly.

  • @scytob
    @scytob 21 день тому +3

    Your transcode issue was likely an issue with intel kernel driver. The SSS boot drive issue was 100% your issue, it was an unreasonable expectation to use a drive that you put OS for SSD caching. Also the drives appearing 4 USB drives is reasonable, you were doing USB…

  • @applebenny
    @applebenny 21 день тому

    For me, it is too expensive and TOS is bad if you want more than smb shares. then better keep my old fractal design define r5 with i5-8400 and unraid

  • @AbcDef-xs8xi
    @AbcDef-xs8xi 21 день тому

    3:28 could have been worse 🍎

  • @vewu_is_taken
    @vewu_is_taken 21 день тому

    hii i love your videos

  • @kicaj741
    @kicaj741 16 днів тому

    I'll tell you a story you wont read on Amazon, etc because they would most likely delete my story. It took my 3 days to realize: behind a great hardware for a price for NAS stands full of flaws TOS 6.X and all its embeeded apps. Copying the 3TB to external drive - failed without clear log stating whats going on. Trying to backup my 350GB OneDrive stucks (fails) in the middle with no clear log on whats going on and possibility to restart it. Survivelance does not work while it worked flawlessly on my previous NAS. Flaws, flaws, flaws even on the level of pure copy of the data to external hdd or running things in parallel. Thus, unless you unraid it (but thats additional cost unless you bought (or download) a license for it) this is extremely unrealiable piece of hardware/software. Shame for Terramaster to deliver such product with so many flaws in their software. Risk of getting your data lost is incredible.

  • @daveninjaneuro7089
    @daveninjaneuro7089 9 днів тому

    It would be nice to have a reviewer who wasn't given a free product.

  • @sonny8085
    @sonny8085 21 день тому

    If I become a user of TOS, does that make me a TOSSER?

  • @JamesPotts
    @JamesPotts 21 день тому

    Synology "rock solid"? Weren't a strangely large number of people losing arrays from single drive failures 2-3 years ago?

  • @ganderthepanda8146
    @ganderthepanda8146 21 день тому

    Download limit is gross

  • @r0galik
    @r0galik 21 день тому

    TOS is bad. Your issues with permissions and the super old ffmpeg are the clues. Clearly they did not test this too much, they just put it out there.

  • @gazehound
    @gazehound 21 день тому

    At that price this is ridiculous

  • @markaphillips14
    @markaphillips14 21 день тому

    Can I send you some server GPU’s?

  • @IamShopping
    @IamShopping 21 день тому +1

    TerraMaster's case design is so ugly and look so cheap, I don't want to have it just due to aesthetic reasons despite any specs. And that HUGE logo embedded in the cheap plastic is just tasteless. As if the person that designed it never heard about design as discipline.

    • @Zeric1
      @Zeric1 17 днів тому +1

      ...and all that blah plastic is $900.

  • @russha5891
    @russha5891 21 день тому

    Isn't this a repeat?

  • @thepotatoenjoyer
    @thepotatoenjoyer 21 день тому

    big master

  • @talbarerez
    @talbarerez 21 день тому +4

    At least the power button isn't on the bottom.

  • @CSIG1001
    @CSIG1001 21 день тому

    great chinese spy device

  • @Lunolux
    @Lunolux 20 днів тому

    15:47 this is weird...
    16:28 that not the typical 1 or 2 hour time to wait, it's literraly 4 day O _ o wtf
    you cant even donwload without account...
    and i dont know what they do more that "required" to sub for 10$/months, that are pretty expensive, a donate button why not, but 10$/month for litteraly "free open app"
    nice video, and thanks to point out this "community website"

  • @AlistairBrugsch
    @AlistairBrugsch 21 день тому

    Somethingth

  • @hasmetdasli5304
    @hasmetdasli5304 21 день тому

    4th

  • @pjs31416
    @pjs31416 21 день тому

    for transcoding in jellyfin docker containers you need to expose /dev/dri (at least for amd and intel, nvidia is a bit different)
    devices:
    - /dev/dri:/dev/dri