The Isle | The Legacy VS Evrima Debate
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- A debate that has been hasnt stopped since Evrima came out, The Isle debate of which branch is the superior one is one of the biggest topics within the community, however the true answer might surprise you.
Join me in this 15 minute adventure where we dig deep into the differences between versions and discover once and for all which one is the best.
Hope you enjoy the video and see you in the next one, stay safe :)
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:42 Metrics
1:50 Comparison
14:43 Conclusion
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#TheIsle #TheIsleLegacy #TheIsleEvrima #XZaguer #LegacyVSEvrima #SurviveTheIsle #LevelDesign #TheIsleDiscussion #TheIsleGameplay - Ігри
“it doesn’t matter…cause we already lost the best” i’ve felt the same way for quite a while. i miss progression, the old maps, just the old vibe the isle had
FR being so mad I died as a velocoraptor over and over again and how the game had like no tutorials made it so mysterious and fun and like nothing at the time.
Progression was so fun. Cant believe that they abandoned it.
Never got to play the old maps. It sucks because i used to watch Anthomnia play on those maps( his vids hyped me for the game alot back then) before I got the game around late 2018. All the exciting stuff disappeared at that point. I've played from 2018 on wards. I stopped around early last year. Playing a deserted version of a game, with so much of its old content eradicated with no hope of improvment doesn't encourage one to keep playing.
Bruh, I miss progression so much, when I was herrera or the carnivore dryo, many memories. There still progression servers but no ones play the anymore :,
sad but its true
The only thing keeping me from switching back to legacy is Ptera since not only is he my favorite Mesozoic animal and the easiest animal to play, but also that I get to live out my fantasies of looking at dinosaurs at a safe distance without getting KOSed. I also get to appreciate the map because there isn't a bush in my face while flying in the sky.
Well if you think the ptera is fun, you just wait until the release the quetz. It's going to be a huge bird that can fly around the whole map, its going to be great. Ptera is your favorite dino now, but I can assure you that the quetz will be your new favorite once it releases.
@@Seventh721
1. Quetzalcoatolus was for a while available on Legacy on a handful of DEV and test environment servers. I actually managed to play as one multiple times. In hindsight, the implementation was quite bad, but it was a lot of fun at the time.
2. Quetzalcoatolus has - at least to my knowledge - not been confirmed for EVRIMA. That being said, I think it is pretty likely to make a return, as the old model and animations were already quite good, and it would make a great addition to the EVRIMA roster.
3. Just FYI, Quetzalcoatolus is not a dinosaur, and it sure as hell ain't no bird, but as an archosaur, it is of course somewhat closely related to them.
@@1Anime4you quetz was confrimed by the devs on the discord just not something they are working on right now
@@surtole7584 That sounds insanely fun, I can't wait for quetz. I played The Isle on v3 map for about 50 hours, now playing Evrima I like it more. As long as it keeps getting consistent updates :)
At this point, The Isle is the Star Citizen of dinosaur games. You either love it and hate it, or you love to hate on it.
In 5 years Evrima will be an insurpassible juggernaut in the Dino survival genre, it just needs to get there.
very good comparison and point of view. iv always seen Evrima in the same boat as Star Citizen. slow development, but the potential and talent is insane. we just need to be patient and give important feedback.
Will the playerbase fall off in 5 years?
@@mother7219 already been more than 5 years since they game has come out, so I guess not
As a new player to the isle and I’ve tried POT I personally prefer evrima. Legacy was to hard to figure out for me, and I personally like the more in depth mechanics and diet system. I don’t care much for POT, very hard to get used to and being a meat eating dinosaur picking up acorns and sticks just isn’t fun to me🤷🏼♂️
@@ThatColtGuy I never played POT but i know what you mean and i think carrying meat should have been in legacy
12:15 yeah and all they could do was walk and bite
That’s what I’m saying, just bc legacy rushed out Dino’s super fast and had so many doesn’t mean anything, I’d rather them take their time with evrima and make every Dino feel different and special in their own way than rush Dino’s out for them all to feel the same and just look different.
@@GhostGaming-yi7pf exactly.
plus more dinos just meant there wouldn’t be anyone to group with, wanna play cera with a pack, too bad! only allos, and that’s just one example and I think the time which this comment is being sent (update 6 evrima) evrima is an arguably better game than legacy and this is coming from an OG player of the game who has been playing for 5 years
Yet they were more balanced than Evrima will ever be :,D (survival mode, not acro and theri)
He isn’t wrong about what the isle had and what it could of been by now, I personally played when it first come on steam and I can say that they made a good turn from what they were doing from 2018 and 2019. they changed the story and the atmosphere it is most definitely different and all that said a path has crossroads and they want to take it in another direction and how they are taking it is something different I just hope that they can keep listening to the community and keep what we like about the game alive
A lot of people have some serious nostalgia glasses on. I play the Isle since early 2016 and i admit, I had much fun in the earlier versions. But the fun memories are mostly the ones staying. Thinking back it was literally just a boring dinosaur chatroom with almost no mechanics.
While it still is laggy and buggy, it was waaaaayyyy worse back then. Rubberbanding, broken hitboxes, rubbish netcode were on another level. Fighting was impossible at times. Not to mention that fighting was boring as fuck and didn't take any skill.
I personally also found the earlier maps like V2 eye cancer, don't know why so many people liked them. The bigger roster also doesn't mean anything if every dino feels the same. I'd take 8 (and still counting) unique animals over 30 who are basically just reskins.
The movement also feels way smoother with turning animations, momentum and sliding.
The most important thing i think is that you can actually have fun as juveniles in Evrima. You actually have a chance of hiding or running away thanks to the foliage and there are plenty other juvie dinos to fight. You can boost your growth and don't have to sit still to have a chance. Also while mix- and megapacking still occurs, it is nowhere near as bad as in legacy.
I could go on and on but i think this is enough. I dunno, I just can't understand how people don't think that Evrima is superior in pretty much every way (except maybe performance). But to everyone their own I guess.
Ikr
More than half the people playing The Isle actually are in Legacy. Let's be honest here.
Where is the progression?
7 months for a single Update 5, which contains skin system, nesting and... what?
Just think about it, doesn't matter how good the "skin system" or "nesting" is going to be, 7 months time is ridiculous for game development. They need more coders, more people, more DIRECTION. And some are probably thinking "but more updates will come", yes, perhaps after 2, 3, 5 years? Nonsense, in my opinion.
Like it or not, at this moment, this is the definition of "Empty Promises".
@@redlinerumble3 the pace has been incredibly slow. It really doesn’t take 7 months to create a skin system and nesting its ridiculous. I’ve been supporting the game since 2017, but man it’s always been bullshit with this company
@@redlinerumble3 I feel like I remember them saying that around this time (2 years) they thought they’d be caught up or something along those lines. Didn’t they promise an update every 1-3 months or something too?
Iv’e almost lost all hope to the isle. Now Path of titans is the only thing i trust.
I'm surprised that you went for comparing the quality of the dinosaur calls and animations since you decided that graphics and visuals would be too subjective to compare. The same can be argued for calls and animations. Ultimately those aspects can always be tweaked later if needed, as many dinosaurs had changed over the course of Legacy's life cycle such as Allo, which has had 3 different sets of models and animations and tweaks to calls, and Rex which I believe has had... 4? different models? I've lost count. Utah, Carno, Sucho, Stego, Pachy, Maia, Dibble, Dryo, Galli, all of those creatures received tweaks to their aesthetic qualities over the course of Legacy, but you didn't mention that. I think it's unfair to conclude that Evrima's dinosaur aesthetic qualities are inferior when the devs took so long to figure out Legacy's own.
I also think that dinosaur calls highlight your lack of in-depth research, one of the mechanics you forgot to list was dinosaur calls changing in quality as a dinosaur depletes their stamina. The effect you mentioned where a call becomes muffled is exactly what happens when a dinosaur is tired. I noticed your stamina bar was missing about 1/3 of the total stamina when calling as a pachy, which would start to make your calls more breath-y as a result. That feature also telegraphs information to the attacker which we would never have a way of knowing previously, how much stamina does your prey have left. You can estimate how tired they are by how they sound when they call out. I think that's pretty neat.
Criticisms aside, this was another very entertaining video. Your editing and writing is always top notch. It's sad though to see you conclude that "we already lost the best" at the end when Legacy was always destined to fail. One of the biggest reasons it was failing to deliver a quality experience was the first thing you pointed out that you claimed makes it better, the roster size. The over-bloated roster size crippled development and set a horrible precedent for the quality of dinosaurs and lead to a cascade of playables that added so little in quality compared to Evrima's roster. Unique mechanics alone that the Evrima playables possess provide the development a great base to iterate on to make the game more dynamic than Legacy could ever have became. When you say we already lost the best in Legacy, you're saying Evrima will never measure up to it, that developing Evrima is pointless. I whole heartedly respect what you love about Legacy. I loved those things too once. It was a home for me, where I've made so many memories and friends. There are better things on the horizon though.
With the release of update 5, nesting and skin customization will be released. If we look at the mechanics that you listed that are unique to Legacy, that will leave only Global Chat and Replays. I don't mention Dinosaur Sexes because Evrima already has that, as well as dimorphism with model differences. Global Chat will never be coming back because it interferes with the experience intended for the game, and Replays may never return to official servers because of the possibility for exploitation, it is yet to be seen. All in all, Evrima will have surpassed Legacy in its intended features and will continue to go from there, and I'm excited for that.
I was going to leave a thumbs down, but after writing this I've changed my mind. This is a good video, I just have some disagreements with your conclusions. Keep up the great work!
I think he just meant he wasnt going to use how "pretty" the games are... I kind of agree with his reasoning (as pretty plants might not be as important as being able to tell which animal is broadcasting). I personally love walking around taking screenshots (Im like a tourist dino)... but thats not really the intent of the game 😆
In addition to this, I should say that everything you mentioned regarding performance was true. It continues to be the biggest complaint amongst players.
I also want to say that while Evrima has a greater depth of mechanics, I shouldn't leave out what Legacy can offer. The playables in Legacy may be shallow in individual complexity, but their sheer quantity and stat differences, as well as aesthetic variety do provide a richness that Evrima has yet to achieve, though I think we aren't far off from that same feeling.
Something I forgot to include was that in the development roadmap for Evrima they have uncoupled playables from strictly releasing in updates as originally planned, and many dinos that we previously weren't expecting for 5 more updates are being slated and teased for release in the near future because their individual development speed is outpacing the feature updates.
Utah's running animation when it was first introduced into sanbox was reeeally bad in particular.
I don't miss global chat at all. It seemed like just a loud room for loud people to brag or boast. It's much more immersive without global.
A really tiny nitpick as well, but I'd also count rain and burrowing as Legacy mechanics, even if the latter is pretty basic; they do exist and work inside the game, altering the gameplay loop enough to be noticible
This was clearly just taking a poop on evrima.
I’ll never understand you guys, IMO evrima is far better and that’s with the smaller roster and unfinished map. As Someone pointed out below me, every Dino in legacy can walk, trot, run, rest, ambush as carnivores, and have a single attack.
It’s just a barebones game with a huge map and a lot of Dinos.
None of that matters if Evrima is a shitty unplayable mess. Yes! They are all fun and unique, but it's not about that, it's about performance and layout. Fps is TERRIBLE, the map layout right now is still laughable, and diets are annoying as hell
@@randomuser8660 And performance remains the most talked about issue in the Isle EVRIMA, but aside from performance it is better than legacy, pot and bob by far in every way except the amount of playables.
@@barbary13 Definitely better than those other two games lmao
Dw I feel you,
I would much rather deal with the laggy mess of Evrima. Only because legacy is so fucking boring... all the populated servers have the most retarded rules. (said stupid at first but didnt feel like that word was strong enough to describe the rules)
Don't get me wrong, love both versions of the game. But after so much time on legacy I got fed up with the people and the rules.
Sorry my dude but i don't think your analysis is very unbiased, you put alot of emphasis on how in a few years legacy already had 30 dinosaurs ignoring that those dinosaurs additions didn't bring new mechanics just new dinosaurs that could just walk run bite eat drink and rest and roar there were no Utah pounces no carno ramming no stego 360 degree attacks it was rare that a animal would have 2 attacks and now every one has at least 2, compare that awful tail riding combat with evrima combat if you really think legacy combat is better you are just nostalgic about it, for me at least i prefer that every animal to have thought process behind with unique features that make the gameplay unique instead of getting a aninal every month that does the exactly same thing with different stats
i agree
"But more dinos = better game" - a Path of Titans player, probably
@@karenboy1005 Lol, literally
true, the main reason i hate legacy so much is the tail riding combat, i dont get how it can be so bad, an utha can kill 2 rexes and all the dinosaurs are clones from others. now to hunt a bigger dino you need a pack or you are dead, like it should be
@@facundopuerta7673 Rex isn’t even in Evrima, u talking about Legacy!
I have some things to say about this video, firstly I don't think you should've included the sandbox dinosaurs from legacy in the roster. They were barebones and not up to the same standard as the dinosaurs actually made for survival. Also, legacy has NO semi-aquatics. Spinosaurus, Baryonyx, Suchomimus were all slow swimmers and showed no real variation from other regular terrestrial dinosaurs. There were no fish in legacy for them to eat within water, nothing about their implementation included an aquatic lifestyle. For the map section... have you played on isla spiro recently? They've gotten rid of about half the forests on the map and replaced most of it with plains. For the mechanics, dino gender is in Evrima it just has no impact since nesting isn't in, but that falls under the nesting category anyway. If you're referring to sexual dimorphism, then Legacy doesn't even have that. Also day/night cycle was forgotten for both, night vision forgotten for legacy, and you COULD include rolling in mud for Evrima but thats not really important and could be considered apart of the bleed system. (Although it does more than just stop bleed). Okay for your point about 2017 Isle and it's number of playables, are you forgetting that the only thing differentiating them was their model, animations, roars and stats. Evrima actually releases every playable as unique with a unique set of abilties and niches. Half the animals released in 2017 Isle were effectively duplicates. Legacy was a steaming pile of shit, I'm fucking glad we lost it because it was never going to be improved. I'd take a product actively being worked on over one that is not any day.
That still doesn't make erivma looks superior, by the simple fact that it takes too long to them to patch glitches and the FPS problem Were supposed to have been fixed YEARS AGO, they not only are taking too much time into dinossaurs that they forgot entirely of nesting and dino customization, which now every other game that was inspired by the isle have it. Not to mention that Erivma is pretty much dead all the time compared to Legacy, not only because server management is worse but because most players can't load in the map, and the lack of dinossaurs to play make it somewhat repetitive. Legacy did had alot of reskins but there were servers that would implement different ways of playing with each dinossaur and how they interact with other players, realism servers are rare in Erivma, And why they think that having a realistic Utah and a normal one is a good idea? Isn't that a reskin as well?
I'll just make one small point here, because I *do* actually agree with most of your point:
There is actually sexual dimorphism in legacy among some of the dinosaur species. Male dinosaurs have access to certain patterns of bright colors that females do not have, as the males would require them for display purposes.
Just thought I'd mention that one small thing!
Tbh what makes a game good and memorable isn't the overall quality of it. Evrima is kinda boring to play on, especially because it's fucking HUGE but there's nothing interesting for miles. I loved the older maps in legacy bc they're memorable and traveling was interesting.
u mad
So I have a few arguments against some points made in the video but I wanna preface it by saying on a subjective level I completely understand everything you’ve said and are feeling during this video and to a degree I especially agree with the closing statement of “it doesn’t matter, because we already lost the best,” however it was also that line that told me this was a purely opinion based video.
See my biggest issue with this vod was not the idea behind it but rather that over the course of it a lot of the points put against EVRIMA had only been taken at the base value and not at a deeper level like overall quality. Biggest example is the roster segment, yes Legacy has in total more animals however remember that a decent majority of those animals never made it to legacies intended official game mode survival without the use of admin commands which should have been a factor and that on a design level several of isle legacy’s animal were copy paste remakes of another. In legacy almost every animals experience was identical to another, I’ll make an example, in legacy picking between utah and carno was only choosing wether you wanted jumping and tighter turns or more speed and raw damage. In legacy stego was a glass cannon who ran down most things swinging wildly until either it or everything else died. In legacy Pachy was Utah without bleed. The “semi aquatics” of legacy aren’t actually semi aquatic, they just have more stamina than the rest of the roster meaning they can sit in the deeper segments of water longer. In EVRIMA every animal has been crafted to be a unique experience, picking between Utah and Carno is now picking between a quick and nimble human sized animal who relies on pursuing targets over a long time pressuring them with numbers and bleed until they drop or a decently sized decently powerful ambush predator that relies on its speed, ramming ability, and power to lunge from hiding knock down its prey and finish the kill quickly with some well aimed bites or to get a few in and then create distance with its speed to either prep another charge or do multiple quick hit and runs to the head to finish the job. In EVRIMA stego isn’t a pursuit glass cannon it’s a walking wall of meat that isn’t very fast but is deadly strong and requires precise planned movements to kill. Deinosuchus is the isles first and only true semi aquatic as it has full range over the water being able to move on the x, y, and z axis while in the water and has three mechanics, two of which are unique to it, that give it even further superiority in the water, that being the ability to fish, the ability to see movement ques in the water, and the ability to lunch from the water, grab onto, and drown other animals. I’d also argue that Ptera has been the isles only true flyer, Quetz was never officially released into the isle and required either admin commands or enabling the “test build” setting on servers during its time on the isle, it lacked any true air control or flight mechanics like air speed via sprinting in the air or slowing down with a breaking mechanic, stamina consumption in flight when taking off gaining altitude or when sprint flying, you couldn’t even land as a quetz once you became airborn without purposefully crashing into the ground and hoping the game didn’t kill you, not to mention Ptera has collision allowing it to make mid air collisions and subsequently it has a mechanic where if you have enough stamina you can recover from the collision and continue flying. Overall on an in-depth level I’d argue EVRIMA has the roster point as more does not always mean better.
In another point, let’s talk about maps. The footage of the gameplay on the isla spero map appears to be out of date as the most current version of the map has cut out a large majority of the foliage around the map and have added much more defined roads around the map in the form of rivers that connect the whole island, this change wasn’t just a buff for Deinosuchus it gave more defined roads to every animal because as long as you can find water you can find your way around the entire map, by your definition in your map video this should make isla spero far better than the previous maps. But then again, one’s personal feelings towards a map is subjective and those subjective feelings will continue to bleed through, such is the way of things.
Speaking of subjectives, I believe you made a massive mistake in making audio and animations a deciding factor in this video, as there is no objective way to separate those two. If you had to do this objectively you would only be able to compare if the animations are smooth and do not have any choppiness or model errors, and if the sounds played correctly when they are supposed to, and in that instance Legacy and EVRIMA are tied in their survival rosters only, but legacy is riddled with de synced audio and odd model errors in animations, such as everything about alberto or Maia’s tail suddenly turning blocky or that ambience in legacy is constant and universal no matter where on the map you are, where as in EVRIMA none of the models display any visual issues when in motion and ambient noises such as birds or waterfalls only play when you are in the trees or near a waterfall respectively, otherwise it tends to be idle wind and yes all ambient sounds except for waterfalls do lower in EVRIMA when ANY animal uses their broadcast. Now subjectively I have to agree that utahs walk and trot animations and carno’s sprinting animations are definitely downgraded from their Legacy versions, however I disagree on the sound design department, I think the new sounds are fine, and I especially love the Pachy and Stegos new sounds as the Pachy sounds more ragged and primal while the stego sounds larger and more bewildering (in a good sense, likes it’s a mythical creature) in EVRIMA. But that is MY opinion.
Honestly I think you should have forgone the discussion of animation and sound for the discussion of graphics as that has more objective marks you can compare, are there any visual bugs in the lighting or textures like flashing shadows or something not having the proper texture mappings applied, the presence or absence of “god rays” or minor transparency in things (such as being able to see light through a stegosaurus plates when it’s in direct sunlight or light through a leaf on a bush if it’s directly under the sun), can the difference between day and night be broken by changing some individual settings in a persons game or on their PC, does the grass have shadows, how far away must you be before an item will either de spawn, turn into a low quality distance variant, or spawn in, such as how the trees in EVRIMA turn into cardboard cutouts when you are decently far away and don’t de spawn until you are essentially on the opposite side of the map where as foliage in legacy only de spawns and is inconsistent on when something will de spawn or spawn in. Now I agree with your argument that some people take graphics as a subjective, I think TF2 looks better than say primal carnage or overwatch because despite being objectively weaker it’s overall design philosophy is far superior but objectively you could have used graphics as an argument and I believe without a shadow of doubt EVRIMA would have won that point.
Now I’ve sat here trumpeting EVRIMA, and on an objective level I will always stand by the notion that EVRIMA is better than any and every prior version of the isle, but on a subjective level I can understand why those first 630 days of legacy hold so much more value than the current 630+ days of EVRIMA, back then the isle was new and exciting. Back then the isle was something we had never seen before but had been the dream of dinosaur game lovers for years and in those first 630 days they had shoveled anything and everything they could arguably call content into our hungry mouths without giving any of it any direct or intricate thought, and it was exciting. EVRIMA might be objectively better but now we are so saturated with Dinosaur games and have been basically conditioned to believe that more = better that EVRIMA doesn’t elicit that same spark of joy and excitement so easily, and it does in a way hurt, because I really wish it did.
"Glass cannon" is a perfect description for Legacy stego. And you're right about many of the dinos not making the official roster. I played pachy a couple of times on Legacy and wondered why I was bothering. They were so easily killable. Evrima pachy? Total bonking terror! I love how strong the herbis are in Evrima. I think once nesting comes in, an entire new dimension will be added to the playing experience. Even though I have almost 2,000 hours in the game, combining Legacy and Evrima time, I'm still a sucky fighter and like the nonfighting play better. So I'm especially looking forward to nesting. And also to the reintroduction of dino AI, another thing Evrima will likely handle much better than Legacy. I enjoyed hunting speedy little dryos through the woods.
You must have spent a while on that
Well said! Evrima is far more immersive. From the graphics(yes shit looking real matters) to the different play style of different dinosaurs. It’s just a better game at this point.
@@rabidDAWGfan82 it really is but most people are stuck on legacy bc of the nostalgia and don’t realize the potential that evrima has. The only thing(in my opinion) that legacy has over Evrima is that it runs better and has more Dino’s to choose from. But even then I’d still pick evrima based off of animations, looks, and feel of the game. It’s just better!
@@GhostGaming-yi7pf couldn’t agree more
2:43 ok you can’t call sucho bary and Spino functioning semi aquatics ffs , they don’t swim faster and are basically the same as every other Dino , Rex itself is faster than sucho ffs
I think he meant sucho Bary and Austro because those 3 have a swim boost and spino doesn’t
@@raptileguy6878 they don’t have a swim boost , no Dino has
Hmm fair enough but most community servers see them as semi aquatics so that could be why and they give them there own rules like using water as safe zone
Just because they swim fast that doesn't make them semi-aquatics, those are literally just stats, pure numbers which can be changed over night. If they wanted to they could make Stego swim at 40 km/h right now, would that make it a semi aquatic? According to this video's logic, yes.
I much prefer the Evrima carno to Legacy carno, mostly because of the turning radius. I don't want my carno to turn like a bus rather than a race car. As for the map, you forgot the totally useless and annoying rocks you continuously stub your toes on in Legacy. While Legacy has the advantage of having more hotspots, so far I like the Evrima map better. The Evrima stego is a huge improvement over the Legacy stego, as is the pachy. The mechanics of being able to crack open coconuts is a lot of fun. Skimming for fish with ptera is also fun. I have big hopes for Evrima, although I also love Legacy, but I do think Evrima is ultimately going to be far superior to Legacy. Just my opinion, of course!
Before Legacy dies off, someone needs to make a homebrew version of the old one bringing back it's glory days with new developers who care for it.
Honestly that sounds cool because then we could get new mechanics and rebalancing plus new dinos and the ability to finally play sandbox Dino's in survival and grow up
@@Thegenderfluiddinosaur I'm not so sure about that, every time somthing new was added like the dryo burrow, something else totally unralated got broken like the day/night cyle. And even if you fixed the issue another thing broke, an absolute nightmare. Thats why they build everything from scratch again, because legacy is a lost case, code wise.
@@Phoenixstorm36 thats jus the developers skill issue, same problem is present in evrima
@@ulfkarl I placed evrima around 5 month ago but I couldn't name a bug right off my head.
@@Phoenixstorm36 the whole sound system is bugged right now and thats not a few
In legacy when anyone could become a Hypo rex, I remember memorising every animals individual walking sound and interval, because they were all slightly different and unique, which let me avoid a crouching hypo or ambush an unsuspecting sub-rex. It was extraordinarily clean.
the fact they each had their own walking sound blew my mind when i first realized it, i then did the same thing and memorized every dinos walk sounds lol. payed off so many times.
@@Dragnous420
Legacy sound design was something else, man.
The Isle has had my attention for a pretty decent amount of time now, but I am definitely feeling a bit disappointed with how slow progress is on EVRIMA. Slowly but surely it just feels like the magic and mystery behind this game is fading. Great video overall
the realization that peak isle(2016-2017) was comparable in age to evrima was so eye opening. I think that's why my expecations are higher than the game we have now; we DID have many of the aspects I want in the game, its just that the current version lacks them. This is why I play BoB now. While the game isn't amazing, it is the sort of game the isle should be.
@Truesurrealgirl oh BoB is a mess, it's just the best in the genre to me. Doesn't make it good though
@Truesurrealgirl I guess this just boils down to preference eh?
@Truesurrealgirl Ehh, I feel like PoT did the same as old legacy, just releasing lots of playables to make it seem like the games progressing fast, but no substantially fun gameplay mechanics have really been added. It feels more like a dinosaur chatroom
Isle>>POT>>BOB
@@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester fair opinion. To me whichever dinosim anyone prefers is just like saying which pile of garbage is the best
bro this video was phenomenal, please dont ever stop, just breathtaking, got goosebumps with that last sentence
Think a new comparison would be pretty cathartic seeing how evrima practically has every single mechanic from legacy now
u know mate, most of the stuff mentioned will be changed in the time to come, in its current state evrima just FEELS right, and i feel excited to go around even when fully grown.
once fully grown on legacy, it would depend on wether u're playing with someone or by urself, but it'd get boring very quickly.
on evrima the map is yes filled with vegetation, but there are PLENTY of zones without it, why don't u stick to them? in evrima it feels like a new journey everytime even if i already know the place, on legacy i would just get nostalgic about memories and then think how bad it actually was right after.
i loved legacy, but evrima is the brightest future AND present we'll get.
also a reason for v3 to be bad is the existence of port, or docks, or titan lakes
although i did have good times in all of these.
This guy says he’ll be objective and non-biased, ends up being biased instead about what “fun” is.
If anything, I’m glad global chat was taken away, to make every encounter beautiful and meaningful. ❤️
Most of my memories from Legacy, was walking for stupidly long distances, for a stupidly long amount of time, never finding any dinosaurs until like 30 minutes later.
Absolutely stupidly boring. And the “Hotspots” aren’t an excuse, it does not feel like a rich dinosaur game.
But Evrima? It nails all those aspects and the world feels more like a living breathing ecosystem where things *always happen*, in a balanced and natural way.
This video reminded me just how much I miss older legacy (~2018, when I first started playing). It's strange because it's a mix of sadness and somberness that it has passed, but I'm also glad I was reminded of that time in the isles history when it was the perfect game for me.
8:25 I disagree with you in utha case, i personally hate the legacy utha animation is just bad in every single way, utha of evrima have a more "real" animation like a bird run( but is not perfect), carno i like both.
But a problem that i see in evrima and legacy that's how brusque little curves are, especially when the ptera flies. Only deino doesn't have this problem.
Damn, it's almost like animations are completely subjective and not a valid point of criticism for either games because everyone has a different opinion on them based on taste.
@@karenboy1005 Yes, but that don't mean we can not make critics or have a debates how fluid, well done or if an animation makes sense whatever it is applied to.
@@Matheus-ek2wy7cv7r all the animations in Evrima are perfectly fluid and fit with the animals' intended visual and gameplay style. People always keep bringing up the old animations and how they were better but a lot of those animations would just not work with the current movement system and abilities, besides, those animations and rigs were way too old to be reused. Again, it's simply a matter of preference, if you don't like the newer animations that's completely fine but it's not a valid criticism against the game in any way, especially when just as many people like them.
@@karenboy1005 you agreed with my point or disagree i really don't get it.
@@Matheus-ek2wy7cv7r Then why can't graphics be talked about if we're talking about subjective issues?
i picked the game up in 2020 and as mucj as i love legacy i can't deny how amazing it must have been to be able to experience the isle in its hayday
thanks so much for the video, love your content! ❤
yep that is true
neither is better
we have already lost that, the BEST time to play the isle is long gone and it might never come back or if so a long long time from now
legacy has more dinos but the dinos in legacy are dry, no special abilities unlike evrima, ptera can cling, deino can lunge, utah can pounce etc
Envrima is superior in my opinion, of course the progress is slow and not a lot of dinos come out, but most have their own mechanics and there's a lot of effort put into them.
One point that made me nod my head in disagreement is unreal having built in day and night cycle - that is a total non point, and no it doesn't.
If you want to implement a day and night cycle in your game there's a lot to think about, rotating the sun and having the sky turn to stars is only half of it.
i actually love the dense forests, started playing just today and already managed to hide from a huge carno using my camo i carefully placed on my dilo and most importantly using the density of the forest around me, he walked right by me and did not see me sitting right next to his foot hahaha it was awesome, i loved every bit of it
I didn't start playing until Evrima had already gotten update 2, 98% of my time has been Evrima. Watching Legacy video's I often wonder if always makes me think I should go play Legacy, but then I do and I think "this is going away though, and nothing new will ever be added".
That doesn't mean you can't have new experiences, though. As a legacy player who played for the first time in 2019, I love it, and I wouldn't give up those memories for anything. There is just something so special about it. The music, the good maps, maybe? Night vision is so scary but also so fun, knowing that if you see blinking white eyes staring back at you from the dark, it's already too late to run. Skins customization is simple but still fun, considering Evrima doesn't have it yet. It's a great way to differentiate players, especially when chat doesn't work the same way in Evrima
I mean, you bought the game. Why not play everything it has to offer? Why not play legacy while its still around? Its not like you lose evrima by playing legacy, vice versa.
Doesn't Evrima have Dino gender? I thought I saw gender selection in the Main Menu.
It does
Yeah it does.
I remember the old days. Back in 2015-16. Good times. So many good memories.
Thanks for the video Zag!!
Legacy for me was just hanging around at Great Falls or Hidden Lake. The herbis would drink or look for bushes from time to time and because the mix packed herds were so big, no carni could ever lay a hand on them, so they had to rely on eating each other. Yes, Evrima is buggy and has serious issues with performance, but it can only get better, not worse. The updates take a lot of time. Maybe that's annoying but better bring out a good product instead of rushing through anything. I have patience, maybe, just maybe, dedicated players have it too.
it's still evrima or else they wouldn't have abandoned the legacy version, legacy doesn't even have physics on dinosaurs, while legacy was created just because yes, evrima is being thought about more carefully, it's no use having 30 dinosaurs and 3 maps if it doesn't have any mechanics that evrima has, The Isle is a suspense game, it needs mechanics to make the player tense, that's what evrima has, Legacy is full of bugs, where Rex bites with its tail and has a wifi bite. of course evrima also has it but nothing compares.
Evrima News : update 6.0
gore added ( you can ripped bodies of players in the center to take the organs*1 )
nesting added
nesting ground bonus
better diet with food preferences for every dinos*2,affect nesting*3
new night vision
ai make higher calls
sub-aquatic ambience and better vision when looking to the top of the water
vision blocked to smaller angle when eating / drinking
new colors for skins and eyes
update to Unreal Engine 5
*1: organs have they're own category in the diet system
*2: ai and players enter in the diet
*3: a full diet assure a full nest, a bad one give you raw eggs and you can't even eat them t.t
PS : Evrima got skin custom with 2 type of paterns, also got dino gender before update 6
And yet the og isle basically wipes the floor with both legacy and evrima. The roster is much bigger than both, the map isle v2 is pretty commonly agreed on best map to ever hit the game, mechanics were sort of lacking but they had the basics down and it played well, and the audio was quite good with each dino having very distinct calls. Not to mention mods and mod maps which are sadly gone. And progression was quite fun, playing multiple different dinos and figuring out how to survive on each one until you reach your final stage.
Evrima slams Legacy and OG isle. The roster was just duplicates with no actual differentiation
@@barbary13 The difference was in speed, base stats, and model. It was just cool to play as many different dinos. They didnt need to be extremely different from eachother in abilities as their stats still made them a different class.
@@blueraptor1013 Barely.
0:00, bro I can't with the rex and utah in the beginning💀
I still remember the first time I played Progression on Region 2 and heard a rex roar in the distance. The ambience going quiet and this sound in the distance that sounded like shattering glass. Spino's distant roar was just the most awesomely haunting shit that I'd heard in a game up until then. Utah's broadcast was unique to this game and wasn't just a JP ripoff. Progression had the survival/horror vibe the devs were supposedly going for that was just completely lost as soon as Survival + AI came out. And the MODS. Fuck I miss Legacy Isle
Progression was shit
Remember evirma gonna be better than both someday, since it's expanding and still developing into its true form. Later, we will have all the mechanics and game roster in evirma, no worries :)
yeah just in 20 years
I want those dino roars to break my speakers like your old microphone does
As a newer player i think legacy is more veteran friendly and Ervima is a more new player friendly with a smaller roster a one map it help when it comes to getting used to the game also with aging in the game more foliage helps baby players hide better as they learn the controls and systems
I disagree with the carnos animations being ruined in Evrima. I feel like the running animations for carno are wonderful and it makes carno feel larger with weight. I feel like carnos anims in legacy felt as if he was hopping everywhere, pretty weightless.
7:41
"dinosaur gender" is in evrima - it affects the detail colour of your skin just like legacy and will continue to do so in evrima, but on top of that there are model variations between genders.
currently only Ptera has the model variations but we've seen them for stego in the recent skin system teases.
Funny how we know the difference between genders of dinos, but can't figure out what a human woman is
@@saakers well with a little education it’s easily explainable. Stegos evolved for sexual dimorphism to make it more efficient for raising young, survival, and so on. Our species scientifically has very little sexual dimorphism (aka differentiation between Male or Female) therefore it was never linear. Some women have wide hips, some do not. Some men are tall others shorter then the average woman. Humans are naturally very fluid in our representations of male and female since we are an intellectually educated race. Our evolutions and creations make it so we get to have more control over our anatomy. We no longer really need a mate to reproduce, just doctors to give you a donor. So as times go fourth, unfortunately for you it’ll probably only get harder as we continue to test evolutions ends and fuck with our own gene pools :)
“It doesn’t matter.. cause we already lost the best” I felt that
Legacy vs Evrima is the same as Quantity vs Quality in my opinion.
Yes, Legacy has more Dinos, but what's the difference between them? HP, Attack Damage and Looks.
In Evrima, everything has it's own mechanics, different playstyles and a lot more things you can do.
I'm just a bit worried, with how long the devs take, that the game might hit shallow water before Evrima ever peaks
playing evrima earlier as a baby raptor and i got stuck hearing the biting animation sounds, id be running "nom" id be hiding "nom" sleeping? "nom"' gettn downed by a deino? yep, "nom"
Um… if you ate another raptor then you were having muscle spasms, because cannibal
I just want to say that you don't know how great The Isle audio as whole until you play another dino game
On legacy I could never figure out how to play as certain Dino’s, then not being in the selection menu
I absolutely agree with your point of that a game like this should prioritize being fun over being super realistic. Yeah, tons of trees and forest are realistic, but very unenjoyable for the players
I feel like dense jungle wouldn’t be realistic at all with large animals moving about. Animals create clearings…. Only the remote parts of the island should be wild jungle
The amount of times I've fallen off cliffs bc I couldn't see them honestly sucks
They've changed the map and are constantly working on it. There are still big areas of jungle but they added a lot of grassland and reason for people to go there now too, so that's kind of a moot point now.
2:19
"Dibble"
demonic theme*
never gets old..
diablo lol
for me its all about emersion , and surviving as a dino on Evrima is a way more emersive experience than legacy . while playing legacy its imediately apparent that im playing a video game. With Evrima i get tunneled in and forget that im playing a game. and to me those 2 destinct differences mean everything. The map design i think is perfect on evrima, it literally feels like im playing a dino in isla sorna in jurrassic park. all we need is the human with jeeps and tranq guns and we can live out the fantasy of playing the best unlicenced jurrassic park video game lol
"sound got much more impact than vision" said with a terrible Mic XD
''it dosent matter cause we already lost the best'' man that hit hard
Man this video hits hard. I miss 2016 isle :(
just a reminder the isle evirmas is in a beta stage so they are most likely going to cut down the amount of plants later on
That Legacy VS Evrima Intro had me rolling
simple reason I like playing Evrima, I like that I can bite a body part and it'll hit that body part; no dying to rexes who just manages to nip my tail and one shot me.
Well, we can't blame the devs for one thing. The reason why they left legacy is because they couldn't even work on it anymore, A employee messed up a certain code that made it uncodable anymore so they got lazy and Made evrima. But they didn't just remove legacy because I guess they wanted they're players to be able to play a working version as they we're still working on evrima. But I do want to blame the devs for changing everything in evrima animations roars, etc.
Thank you for this video daddy Z
I see your love for Legacy. I love it too. But, in my opinion, Evrima is far better. Great video btw.
Why i dont have some dinos on legacy (acro,spino,tarbo,ankylo...
Fuck, you really gotta hit me every time talking about how the isle was 100x better in 2016/17 than it is 5 years later. Damn i miss old region 2, old v3 and v4
I really miss the old legacy maps. They were a lot more beautiful and creative. I remember drinking as a hypo rex across from another one in the Redwoods. Another time i remeber playing as a Hypo rex, calmly walking down a gaint waterfalls cliff down to these beautiful pools where Utah raptors gathered around a rock. I loved these moments so much, but then they completely stopped me from playing as the hypo and going on these maps. It lost so much of that fun spark from the beginning. Now the Evirma map is a mess :)
Imagine they put all this effort into making all the dinos new moves and mechanics just to open up the map with no increase in players per server so you literally never use the fighting or mechanics unless you actually run into a player on that big, crowded and stuffed to the brim with vegetation map
The combat on Legacy is horrible compared to Evrima, you can be quadruple the size of a predator that won't stop it from chewing your rear end because the movement controls are horrible, not to mention the trees which make you bug in your animation
Broadcasting in Beasts of Bermuda (Other really fun dino game) feels pretty bad as T-Rex, the sound design is something they need to fix.
They lost the 'feel' of the legacy game in Evrima somehow...? its way more fun to play in legacy than evrima in some aspects.
I like the Evrima map, sounds, and how different you have to play as different species/during different stages in growth
Oh my god the running joke of dibbIe being a heIIish creature from another universe at 2:19 with that ominous music LMAO I remember it from the tier Iist
100% agree what u say in your Video. And i will not know when Dev's will close legacy 🙁
Forgot skimming as a mechanic
Why is there not a deinosuchus on new version
"We'll be trying to keep it as objective as possible" - goes on to use his own personal opinions on dinosaur animations as legitimate criticisms.
I like them both. Legacy's biggest flex is the variety of species (relax, I said species not mechanics). Evrima of course has more to offer in terms of mechanics and balance. From dominating anything with a Rex or a Shant, to flying around and pecking annoying carnos. By a narrow margin I like legacy better just because of the dino roster.
Side note: I HATE the seemingly endless number of fallen logs throughout Spiro... Navigating through legacy jungles with apexes was tough enough to rocks and the occasional tight tree group, but nothing annoys me more than Spiro and the clear deforestation going on
Thing about region 2 is that it’s smaller map and you can find people easily, along with that the places are interesting and diverse, which lets people know the map like the back of their hand. Clearly the devs don’t see the game from the player’s perspective, only theirs, the game is just a playground for them to throw experimental toys about and cheat, while the players play the poor man’s toys and just watch them cheat and do nothing about it
This scares me honestly.. The fact that Evrima's map is only 1/4 of the size available now and they plan to release the full thing soon... The world feels empty with what we have now and 100 players... How is it going to feel with 3/4 more space and similair amount of players? (even if they bump it to 200 that's nearlly not enough..
The game needs alot of A.I... Good A.I, not those boars, frogs and lambs that wait to be slaughtered.. dinosaur A.I that will run, fight back and defend itself..
Both are a waste of time and a bundle of toxicity , going outside is just better than playing the isle in every ways
Facts
6:40 i don't agre map is fun and immersive. What i see here is that you love legacy to much. :D they are slow thats the only downside on evrima. EVERYTHING is much more polished and nicer and personaly i like imersive aproach. If someone want "fun" then shuld go play beasts of Bermuda it looks fun and totaly un imersive.
The whole map of evrima is basically just trees, bushes, grass, and more trees, there is no variety in the map at all
@@mojoboys4933 and all in legacy looking the same :D and rocks are joke
I really don't agree with his criticisms of the map. Isla Spiro is really quite easy to traverse, all you have to do is follow the rivers and the former shallows and those will take you to pretty much every hotspot or diet area on the map.
@@mojoboys4933 and what do you want a tropical island to have besides rocks and trees? At least it doesn't have a mountain or giant hill every 50 meters like V3
There is no ai in the jungles to eat so no one is there.
Bravo! Great video and well done.
I have to disagree on a few things. I dont think the number of dinos matter as much as the the uniqueness of each, and that definitely goes to Envrima for me. The 2016 isle you reference is something they could definitely do again. Copy paste all the dinos just altering the base stats but then they bottle neck themselves again. Its a mistake they will not do again. They will get the systems right first then add dinos as they are ready.
Honestly, I can only imagine the struggle with being a content creator for The Isle. It has been a crazy ride but I definitely feel the silver lining is coming. When update 5 hits and they start dropping a few more dinos to broaden the roster even more, that feeling will return. When we get this map that Jace is working on in secret, that feeling will return.
Hold fast my fellow dino nerds, we are almost through the storm and we shall enjoy our time in The Isle once more!
(Love your videos!)
If evrima ever gets apexs the only thing I think the legacy gets up on current evrima is the global chat. Something about the global chat that adds to the game. Though I also kind of like the legacy map better as well.
I mean if you have the right specs the map actually shouldn't cause you any issues. All the problems I used to have with the map were solved when I updated my graphics card.
Nah the best time to play The Isle was right after launch. That first map was small but fucking good with memorable landmarks. No broken bones, no bleeding, stellar performance (you could really run it even on a Casio calculator from 1986 and still have 60+ fps), dinos had funky and exploitable movement pattern which made it fun to PvP (also very little lag and hits actually registered reliably). Neon bright carnos chasing raptors between legs of longnecks (Puertasaurus) and dodging their back kicks just for fun, croco-rexes ambushing from below water.... those were the times.
I remember when u could click the nest button and become a random persons baby
I’ve only been playing the isle evrima for 2 days and somehow this ending made me sad 😢
The dibble god sound got me laughing
I just like the evirma dinos and aesthetic more
Mic quality of a Drive Thru
Hmm. I finally got around to playing Evrima last week. It's a lot of fun when it's working. Other times, the audio is a distorted, stuttering, ear-shattering mess. Other times it sounds like everything is right up your ear, while other times it sounds like they're across the map. The optimization has apparently gotten a lot better recently, and it's definitely playable for the most part now. On lowest graphic settings. Upon close inspection, I think my game looks worse than Legacy. Objectively worse, that is. But that doesn't bother me too much, because when the audio is sometimes working, the atmosphere is unbelievable. Beats Legacy 100%. Again, when it's working properly.... Can't stress that enough. I love Legacy, and I'm really starting to love Evrima too. I really need to make it so I have both of them on my computer at all times.
Its hard to do a video ljke this without using opinions.... thats basically what it comes down to is one persons opinion using what data they have to make those opinions. Im definitely coming from a different place as I came in when evrima was already here so I really only played on legacy for a (relatively) short time. I do agree with alot of what you say... but I disagree on other points. Doesnt mean your points are "wrong"... just I have a different view on them. The legacy roster is big for sure.... but really whats the difference between playing all those? The addition of diets and the very different fightibg styles to me mean more than the sheer number of dinos. But for people who have put alot if time in legacy the likelyhood of having attachments to specific (or multiple) dinos is a very real point in legacys favour.
So my takeaway from this video is I dont agree with everything said here.... but I love it nonetheless as a real look into the differences in how these two different games have evolved 🙂
I just hope to eventually be able to see a day when evrima pulls ahead of legacy in your opinion XZaguer... I think it will happen *soon... so anywhere in the next 5 years 🤪
Where was the combat comparison, Yknow, evrima's biggest stength so far? These seems so biased coming from someone who doesn't have nostalgia for old isle because I didn't know it existed.
Evrimas map size is fine as it is. Its like they forget theyre designing this for 100 players. Any bigger and people will rarely see eachother making it very boring unless they have really good AI
I disagree on the animations and totally agree on background and in the woods its too dark at day. I think the utahraptor in legacy didnt act like a raptor. I will say though they can look a bit like they are weightless in evrima
Yes dosnt matter because we already lost the best. Was once my fav game legacy and now I don’t play anymore. Sometimes out of the wish to play I get back on legacy and then the lag happens once fighting. What have they done. Saddens me to the most..
ngl for the animations I prefer evrimas carno and Utah, they feel a lot lighter and that made me play them better in skill rather than legacy’s slow heavy animations, to me it feels like driving a truck everywhere, but that’s just my opinion.
one thing youre overlooking when comparing the rosters is the legacy dinos are more similar to each other as they dont have special abilities and semi aquatics arent really semi aquatics. also forget about proper night + night vision in legacy. animations and sounds are also subjective,imo the legacy utah just looks and feels wonky and weird same goes for carno anims,they were just too stiff. Map Design can also be subjective in at least some ways and legacy ones had plenty of issues as well.can definitely agree on the roars tho. and when you compare the current to old legacy..yes it had more but everything was of much lower quality from UI&Graphics to the uniqueness of each dino and the performance of the game theres a reason why people never really went back to progression when survival came out which was kind of the "new phase of the game" back then.
Evrima so much better now
Can I just make a point here; what Legacy had was a bit jumbled; the combat was pretty lame (phasing through targets, no collision yadda yadda) but another thing is that Evrima has given players what they wanted. Back when I was on legacy discord servers everyone and their dog wanted a more realistic version of the game, and that's what the devs did with evrima. It feels like nobodies happy even when they get what they want. It's far from a perfect game but I feel evrima has made substantial improvements where it counts. I do have to agree with your point about the Carno and Utah animations feeling a bit slippy and cartoonish.
Aside from that, I would never go back to legacy. The only thing I miss is being an Allo, feeling fast and powerful
Edit: I also miss the diversity of dinos and the playstyles that came with them, each felt so unique. And the grouping system and the pack experiences were one of a kind. I'd never trade that in
TBF graphics should be a discussion, simply for people with lower end computers. Good luck trying to play evrima even on lowest settings if your rig isnt up to snuff, lowering the settings to min wont cut it. While in legacy you could lower them and actually feel the difference in fps. So in that way graphics and their settings directly impact performance of the game, you can make legacy run pretty damn good, while evrima still derpy af. Seems like they spent more time detailing the plants and rocks than they did optimizing the game imo.
bro literally tricked us to watch a 15 and a half minute long video to say "it doesn't matter"
Dino gender is in Evrima if u play dryo or Petra u will see this
When the getaway map will be released evrima is going to be the best one
Now this is a comment that aged like milk lmao
Just like it is in Beats of bermuda