also why Himmel's death struck Frieren so hard so suddenly ,was because she was perfectly at peace with Flamme's death BECAUSE she got to understand Flamme till the very end by being her apprentice, despite her never putting any thought to it . She thought it's just gonna be like Flamme's passing again, only to realize this time it's actually different.
Possible because she lived together with Flamme at least 50 years or more, maybe; and, with Himmel and the other heroes, only 10 years (she regrets it saying that in the funeral). Also, that's the indirect reason (possible) that she stayed with Heiter the last years of his life and accepted raising Fern and included Stark, recommended by Eisen.
Man when my grandma died it took 2 years for it to hit in. I was just lying in bed getting ready to sleep. I just randomly thought I miss my grandma and sat up and started crying.
@@hido...I get where you're coming from, it's only been a few days since my own grandma passed. And I can't help crying a bit when thinking about what I should've said to her when I had the chance. Now I can only hope her spirit heard me as I said "Thank you for just being a part of my life."
When my father died it took me 2 days to cry. He was already cremated, I made sure my mom was fine, my brothers were fine, I even lead the mourning prayers when we got home. It hit me when I pulled out my keys and saw the old key ring my dad gave me 15 years prior. I literally collapsed on the floor crying like a baby.
I was personally never close with any of my older relatives. When they died i didn't really feel anything whereas everybody else was sobbing. I sometimes wonder when my mom passes away if i'll actually cry? If my dad passed away tomorrow would i breakdown? Probably not, not to say i wouldn't be devastated but it would more or less result in my already severe depression being even worse.
I envy Himmel Not because he's the hero Not because of the fame and glory But the adventures he had The friends he made The beautiful memories The validation to oneself that he tried his best He live to his fullest He made his life and the people around him better In his old age he live the rest of his life peacefully And in his final rest, his friends smile knowing he lived a very good life
@@neyneyganeyney6046this weirds me out this group never have any one in life to be with like their alone without having kids or a partner to love with, just like frieren's new apprentice she's like already in her 30s something
It’s not just Himmel. The friendship of their entire group is amazing, the way they comforted Frieren and protected her from the crowd’s judgement . It’s really sweet 😊
It must be agonizing for Frieren witnessing her dear friend's die before her eyes. feels like your heart's torn apart, imagine moving on in life without them anymore.
Deeper than that, its the moment she realised he even was her dear friend. As far as she's concerned they hung out once for a bit. It didn't feel like she was missing out on anything by walking away until he was completely gone. Sometimes you don't realize you're in the good old days until they're over.
@@OPUP For her lifespan, they might as well have been hanging out for a bit, for ten years. There is a tragedy to living a long life in a world surrounded by those who live short lives.
I still can't get over the fact that Himmel is also the VA for Bakugo. Man's deserved a reward for constantly having to destroy his vocal cords after My Hero Academia
The anime was the same as the manga for me: I knew Himmel for all of like 5 minutes, and yet his funeral and every memory Frieren has of him afterwards absolutely destroys me, as if I had watched an entire 100 episode anime of them together on their quest to kill the demon lord. I still don't know if I'm just overly empathic towards fictional characters, or if the writing was just so good to make me feel like this for a character with so little screentime.
Your a true anime fan friend I read the manga first (just a few chapters) and that first chapter was one of the best pilots ever, then it got an anime and when I watched it, oh did I cry. Frieren wanted more time to know him, and to tell him so much but now she lost her chance. But her journey may give her the chance she needs
Well it’s the good writhing, there are characters that live a lot of episodes and don’t make an impact and a fair number that only live a few but leave a massive impact for ex “kamina” and “Pedro”.
That shot of their last adventure attacking that beast dog got me. Eisen was the vanguard and Freiren dealt the last blow with magic. If you'll notice, Himmel has his guard still up walking stick held like a sword in front of Freiren and Heiter.
Id probably become a hermit and solo wanderer like frieren after watching too many of my loved ones die. Unless you can find other immortals, its a definite curse
@@DylanJo123 you're definitely getting a mental illness and depression after watching everyone who knew you die one after another unless that Immortality got an added buff to your mental strength
my opinion would align with Frieren. Both a curse and a gift for example I can learn anything I want without minding the weight of time effecting my health but on the other hand, the time that passes by will not be kind to you or your love ones
Having watched the entire anime, I can now fully appreciate how fucking momentous and rare it is for Frieren to, not only show sadness, but openly weep during this scene. Elves truly struggle to understand and express emotions like humans do. How deep her sorrow must have been, then, that Frieren would cry with such humanity in this moment over the realization that she has squandered the fleeting years she could have had with Himmel. The years she did spend by his side was only a tiny fraction of her lifetime, but they changed her so profoundly that the ripple effects of that touched the lives of countless people for years to come.
I like the subtle way it shows elves grieving for their loved ones Serie, while chatting with Frieren during that test arc has a flashback when she held hands with a younger Flamme. She may be connecting the dots with similar events to Frieren, but it's also a hidden showing that Serie misses Flamme deeply.
At first, i thought Heiter only made the joke to try to lighten the mood but now it dawned on me that both him and Eisen did that so as to redirect the crowd's disdain of Frieren for not being sad to them
A funeral is a solemn occasion and that crowd is acting like a bunch of petulant toddlers poor Frieren was able to ho1ld it together until Himmel was buried
The OST is just way too fucken good. And I'm not a thousand year-old elf but the overall theme resonated with me. Rekindling the bonds of your past and figuring out that what you had was special... Even if what seems like a short amount of time to you.
It is so endearing seeing how the anime handles the feeling of loss. Everyone who has had someone very important to them pass away can confirm, that this emotion is far more complex than just "sadness", as it is often portrayed in media. At first, it's usually just an overpowering numbness, like the brain blocking out any semblance of emotion to be able to assess the situation logically as a coping mechanism. It takes a few hours, sometimes even days of processing before the floodgates break and all those emotions burst out, all of the regrets, all of the memories, everything at once.
There's a frame in this scene which is not in the video, where Frieren realizes Himel is truly gone, she was , i believe, still processing it, and when she heard the bells you can see a frame of her like "opening eyes" as if she realized something. She realized that Himel is no longer with them and she truly missed the opportunity to be with him.
honestly, i was expecting frieren to kiss and cry in front of himmel and expressing her regret for not spending enough time with him in the goddess monument arc.
What do you mean be with him? Elves have no feelings of lust or any biological desire to reproduce, according to frieren lore. So surely you don't mean romantically.
That shocked look happens after the bells ring, I guess. Maybe it is a bit stretch, but could it be that Frieren remembered when Himmel put the flower ring on Frieren's finger? Because in that scene, too, bells were ringing.
@@Fren69420 It's not that they don't have it, they don't have it nearly as strong as humans. That means it will take something really, REALLY impactful for them to feel something. And for Frieren is that she remembered all the time she had spent with him in that 10 year adventure after he passed away, finally realizing that she has taken his short life for granted thinking it will just pass. That flashback we got with himmel putting a ring on her ring finger? She only understands it now, she realizes how special he is for her.
Oh god. Realizing that the imagery of Himmel watching the meteor shower is like Frieren's experience with her friends. They pass through blazing and beautiful but only last for a moment.
@@rishavdhariwal4782 you can sum it up with Frieren being cold to them saying things like 'you will die soon'. I understand her perspective being almost immortal but still... poor Himmel
I am the type who had relatives die and could not cry at the funeral procession or the church or when they put them to the grave. However when i was alone and that feeling finally sank in, i sobbed. Everyone grieves in their own way it is just it takes sometime for some of us to really accept it.
I broke down immediately after my grandpa passed, didn’t cry at the funeral, and then broke down intermittently months later at random times. Yes, everyone grieves differently.
I remember when I received news my grandma fell off the stairs and died, I was just in total shock, but a couple of months later it hit me that she was really gone and I broke down at midnight in my bed.
@@zachanikwanoSame dude, I thought I’d cry at my Grandad’s funeral but I didn’t know how to react. It took me a year before a stray memory got me bawling
You know its gonna be an insanely good Anime when the 1st episode got you in tears. And so many episodes later, this is the best anime i think i've ever watched.
With every episode that passes where I see more of Frieren as she is day to day, the more I realize how monumental her crying for Himmel is. She was in love with this man
But he didnt, he knew frieren will live for so many years, and he didnt wanted make her sad. But he still tried to help every person he could and let statues of himself and his friends to not be forgotten and make frieren not feel alone.
@@Lukozzz234 so he made sad himself and her too when he gone. He could get forever young elf wife, spend his short life with her and give her many more memories. But he decided to not hurt her feelings. And nobody happy at the end. Yeah, elves are (almost) asexual but he didn't have sex with her either so nothing changed anyway. Just don't be a cowards, guys, there aren't any eternal things under the sun. Even love. Even elven love. Don't think about how "worthy" are you, it's not for you to decide. Live today so you will not regret tomorrow. Your wife will outlive you anyway. It's bigger chance for you to die earlier so get as much as you can.
@@kaiz1845 he defeated the demon lord but wasn't brave enough to just confess his feelings straight even knowing elves can understand feelings harldly. It's not only his fault but he didn't try all posibilities.
That is why it is difficult to understand the desire of human beings to be immortal, it is normal to be afraid of death, but I think that eternal loneliness would be worse, where everyone disappears.
even tho nobody should talk like that about what i will say but: i would rather kill myself before i see everything and everyone i hold dear vanishing before my eyes than to ever consider being immortal for context everyone who understands german should listen to Schandmaul's song Stein der Weisen..... this song sums it up pretty good about why it is better to be mortal
Its mostly cause everyone is different. No doubt that many would find it suffering to experience the loneliness of immortality But i see it as an introvert extrovert thing. Some people are socially wired differently that they’d enjoy immortality and loneliness quite well.
@@zefellowbud5970 It's not like you will remain extroverted or introvert thought-out your entire life thou. If your life is infinite you will definitely feel the grip of Loneliness.
@zefellowbud5970 No introverts are so introverted that they thrive with 0 human interaction or human relationships. That's simply not how humans are made. Some have managed to cope with it, but it's not ever the ideal. I might get exhausted by most social interactions, but I still care greatly for the few people I have in my life and I would suffer without their presence.
It is not the fear of death it is the desire to experience more things. But that is the meaning of death the very end of one's existence there's nothing more you can do on this planet. I think someone to be immortal must love Life's so much in a meaningful way to tolerated living a immortal life. the people we have held special in our hearts will eventually be gone from us even in this mortal life they may still hold a part of us but will still have to come to terms with it there passing from this world the best thing we can do is remember the part of them in our heart
I think the reason why Himmel put so many statues of himself was not out of vanity, but love - so Frieren wouldn't forget him. Himmel understood that 10 years was not even a blink of an eye for Frieren and she will forget him at some point, at least he thought she would. He knew Frieren wasn't going to fall for him but he was hopelessly in love with her. Now as she reflects back on her time with Himmel she's starting to pick up on all the things he said and did for her. It's a very endearing love story.
albeit a very bittersweet one. it used to make me wonder how a man who led the party to kill the demon king, doesn't have any family right after their journey ended, but watching this alongside the signs that Himmel really loved her makes this hurt even more. He couldn't have a family because he was waiting for Frieren to be his one, but elves in this story, amirite? They take an entire millennium to process emotions than what humans can process in a minute.
At first it was sad but still okay because we don't have much time with Himmel, but it hits harder and harder as we see more of what he did and what he had left behind...
"In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory." -High King Aragorn Elessar Telcontar
"The goal is not to live forever, but to create something that will." In that context, it doesn't just have to be tangible things like statues, books or whatever to record history, but ideals - the strive to do good - to forge companionship no matter the background of the person. Himmel embodied this really well because after all - "it's what Himmel would do."
After One Piece, the quotes of living life without regret always made me cry. So the fact that Himmel here had no regret, and lived a good life, it made me tear up
i can't help but to recall an excerpt from Tolkien about how the elves first encountered man and mortality. "And when Beor laid dead of no wound or grief; but stricken by age, the Eldar saw for the first time the swift waning of the life of men and the death of weariness that they knew not in themselves. And they grieved greatly for the lose of their friend. But Beor at the last relinquished his life willingly and passed in peace. And the Eldar wondered much at the strange fate of men for in all their lore there was no account of it and it's end was hidden from them."
what a wonderful anime...this scene hits way harder after you've seen the several flashbacks during the series...even at 1:20 there is so much detail e.g. heiter giving a pat to her head...you know the rest.. 😢
The life immortals or long lifers. The unbearable sadness and detachment from life, i feel bad for him. But it's kinda funny, watching her adventures, seeing people gets old while she's still the same.
poor Himmel, the damn love of your life comes back as young as the day he left, but... she is the love of your life. You can only grow old by looking at her (even if she ages) and being happy... the great Argentine Gardel said " a shadow you will soon be, a shadow the same as me" in one of his tangos...
Aaaaaahhh this scene. This anime is really a masterpiece. How I wish they make a prequel when their party started their journey to defeat the demon king. I really like Himmel's character.
I relate so much to this scene. My grandmother died a few months ago and I only started crying when seeing the coffin lowered into the ground. Luckily everyone was pretty good at understanding how grief hits people differently and everyone in the family was being supportive of one another.
Knowing that it's from Madhouse, I might try this one. Who knows, Wolf's Rain was my favourite anime during childhood, so it is clear that my heart loves heart-warming dramas.
Is no one gonna talk about Old Himmel’s absolutely top tier mustache? Like holy hell he must’ve put real time into making that thing look as baller as it does
This shows why Skips warn Mordecai and Rigby that being immortal is not a good thing to have of the pain of losing those you know to old age. I feel so sad for Frieren knowing she never felt so sad in her long life losing Himmel before her very eyes.
Frieren is such a great story. Showing us how lonely living for thousands of years would be. People are popping in and out of existence all around her and some of them make an impact on her life while others she barely notices. She measures everything in her own time frame and it feels like people live so fast, she's barely able to take in their presence before they're gone for good. The whole part where they meet the monk Kraft. He is Frieren in the future when people no longer remember her and the hero's party killing the Demon Lord.
Reminds me of one scene in Seven Deadly Sins, King (a fairy) and Diane (a giant) were looking after each other in a harsh world. They spoke to a kindly human who offered them directions and shelter, King and Diane stayed in a cave for a while thanks to the kindly human. They emerged out of the cave after quite some time, spoke to a another kindly human who resembled the last one the two spoke to - only to find out that this human they were speaking to was the grandson of the human King and Diane met before going in the cave. Makes you really think about the warped sense of time between long lifers and those who barely reach 100 years old.
I love how frieren is falling in love with himmel long after his death. Now she is understanding himmel like she never did before when they were together. It doesn't matter that himmel is not present anymore, what matters is that frieren is now understanding him, appreciating him and loving him. And himmel most probably knew this and that's why he never "BETRAYED" his feelings for frieren by marrying and loving another woman which would have been a right choice. But himmel might have known that despite him not being present with frieren anymore, frieren WILL reciprocate his feelings, will appreciate him and understand him, and that is what most probably mattered to him. The assurance that even if he had died, and it might take a long time, but frieren will love him, and that's what is happening.
It's beautiful how Frieren's friends syncronizly tried to comfort her when she finally cries. For them she meant so much. She just did not understand. This manga/anime is marvelous.
theres nothing more validating than seeing your close friends acknowledge the life you lived and respected your wishes to not shed a tear. even tho they were sad they still sent himmel off with a smile
In manga more long journey frieren has.... she become more love to himmel... realize himmel is best person... every kindness himmel gave to people... slowly help frieren in future
I brought my best friend to his resting place. I didn't break my stoic expression while I lowered him to his grave. It was when I was asked to read some of the "Farewell" cards was that I completely broke down. The way words are used.. Always remember how easy it is to hurt someone.
Those people can call Frieren, Eisen and Heiter "heartless" all they want, but knowing Himmel he wouldn't care if they shed a tear at his funeral. He'd be happy they were there together one last time.
I didn't cry when my elders passed. It is good to cry to let it out at the time, because if you don't, you do so many times later. I envy people who forget easily. I really do.
The Death of Himmel is like the Battle of Yavin. Part of a calendar or timeline? So thousands of years before the Death of Himmel, it was an epic era? The demons could just be mutated humans, elves, and demi-humans devoid of emotions? No telling what the Demon King before the Demon King was like. Imagine the demon alliance with dragons and angels fighting the Gods and Titans of Old.
It’s beautifully sad how it only registered for me the moment it registered for Frieren when she said “Why didn’t I try to get to know him better” The voice acting is phenomneal, you can hear the longing and regret as the passage of time registers for both the audience and Frieren that Himmel is gone, forever.
In this anime, I learned that if a being grants you immortality, you need to have a mental manipulator as well, or you will end up as an old, depressed hag, with multiple mental illness.
A while back I was hanging out with my girlfriend and we went to a grocery store to pick up some groceries because her dad was cooking. My mom worked at the grocery store and when I saw her she said she had to tell me something but the she started crying and said she would tell me later. When my girlfriend and I got back to her house I said to my girlfriend “I have a feeling my dog died” she said not to think like that and that it will be fine. When my mom got off work she came to my girlfriend’s house. I asked my girlfriend to stay inside. I went out to the car and I was right. My dog died. I didn’t want to cry and I tried my best not to. My girlfriend could tell I was upset. I wouldn’t hug her because I knew I would cry. She hugged me anyway and I cried. The worst part was going home and not seeing my dog waiting there. Sorry felt like typing this. I think it helped.
its incredible how at first i didnt care for frieren, i only started to feel something for this anime 6 episodes in. but now that i am done with season 1, this scene hits totally different. i wish for frieren to meet himmel in some way and kiss him. this anime is just beautiful
This weirdly reminded me of my grandpa. It wasn't long ago in fact it was a couple months, throughout his wake I thought it was weird how everyone was crying and sobbing their hearts out during their goodbye speeches, I thought I was being a weird kid for not even tearing up when I delivered mine and figured I just didn't care because I didn't see him often. But it wasn't until it dawned on me, emotionally at least, that yeah he was really gone, all those memories we made with him for the last decade stops here, I kept convincing myself I already knew this and only after that did I become a sobbing mess. I guess it's normal for late reactions, I was still processing it and didn't quite grasp it until I did, only then did I realize how precious those memories of when we did see each other back when he was alive precious, I wish I didn't take him for granted.
When I first saw this episode I don't really feel anything. Sure it's sad but it's still the first episode so I have no idea who they really are. Coming back after watching the final ep of season 1, this hits hard man. Seeing frieren cry is so heartbreaking
THIS IS THE EXCHANGE OF LONG LIFE SPAN IN A PERSON. IT MAYBE GOOD FOR SOME OR OTHER TO HAVE THAT KIND OF LIFE SPAN BUT IN REALITY YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONTINEOUS PAIN AND HATRED IN YOUR LIFE. SO GOOD BUT SO SAD TOO🥲 MUCH BETTER FOR REINCARNATION RATHER THAN LONG LIFE😔
I have a teory. Himmel lived much less than Heiter (Heiter lived over 20 years more despite being older than Himmel), and that was because of a curse placed upon him by the demon king before his defeat. He was cursed to dying early in life as soon as he met his loved one one last time, so they didn't have time to tell each other their true feelings.
@@demonangel918 true. I also can't quite believe that they defeated the demon king and came pretty much unscathed. Something we don't know yet must have happened during that fight.
I didnt feel anything when I first watched it cause its just the 1st episode, but after finishing the series and coming back here, I feel so empty and sad watching this again
I still dont blame her she has a life where a second isn't a thing, a hour means nothing, a month feels like taking a breath, and a year being like a short nap. (it makes complete sense that her meaning of time is non-existent and everything around just feels like a dream)
God dude, I wanted to watch this because of the synopsis, now seeing what people said in the comments of her realizing he’s gone hit me like a truck, it took me many many months and to watch my uncles ashes burn in a Viking bonfire to be spread over my family ranch for me to realize, he was truly gone, it made me reflect not getting to spend more time with him, and later to remember he died the same year I graduated highschool, the 27th of November 2017, I cried like a damned fool, some pieces of his ashes were spread in tiny flasks for his kin and I got one, and some of his ashes were placed on our ranch at this rock tree (tree growing out of a large boulder). Awhile after he passed, we went up there one day and the area around the tree in the dead of winter was warm, and we got reception. Sooo that got me to cry again….
This remind me on myself during my grandfather death. I dont know, maybe i was too young to understand about death durung standard 5, i just know everything will die in certain time. It was all changed and brought the heaviest impact to me, when i saw in front of my eyes, he was been buried at that time i know "this will be the last time i see you".
This is much the Elves in LOTR, they are immortal and live forever, they don't understand the concept of mortality. That's why they usually take forever to act on something or anything due to their not having a time limit, pretty much like ultimate procrastinators. Now of course they feel the pain and grief when losing their mortal friends due to time, and this is mostly the reason why Elves live among themselves rather than with others.
also why Himmel's death struck Frieren so hard so suddenly ,was because she was perfectly at peace with Flamme's death BECAUSE she got to understand Flamme till the very end by being her apprentice, despite her never putting any thought to it . She thought it's just gonna be like Flamme's passing again, only to realize this time it's actually different.
"That one hundredth changed you"
Possible because she lived together with Flamme at least 50 years or more, maybe; and, with Himmel and the other heroes, only 10 years (she regrets it saying that in the funeral). Also, that's the indirect reason (possible) that she stayed with Heiter the last years of his life and accepted raising Fern and included Stark, recommended by Eisen.
The saddest part about partings is the regret
Because the plot intended it to be.
@@minhajfahim7361no tbh
I felt bad for Frieren. She couldn't cry at the beginning. When my cat died, it took me about an hour before it finally hit me.
Man when my grandma died it took 2 years for it to hit in. I was just lying in bed getting ready to sleep. I just randomly thought I miss my grandma and sat up and started crying.
@@hido...I get where you're coming from, it's only been a few days since my own grandma passed. And I can't help crying a bit when thinking about what I should've said to her when I had the chance. Now I can only hope her spirit heard me as I said "Thank you for just being a part of my life."
Yeah....you feel numb at first😔 And then it hits you hard. All the emotions denial, anger, regret all at the same time.
When my father died it took me 2 days to cry. He was already cremated, I made sure my mom was fine, my brothers were fine, I even lead the mourning prayers when we got home.
It hit me when I pulled out my keys and saw the old key ring my dad gave me 15 years prior.
I literally collapsed on the floor crying like a baby.
I was personally never close with any of my older relatives. When they died i didn't really feel anything whereas everybody else was sobbing. I sometimes wonder when my mom passes away if i'll actually cry? If my dad passed away tomorrow would i breakdown? Probably not, not to say i wouldn't be devastated but it would more or less result in my already severe depression being even worse.
I envy Himmel
Not because he's the hero
Not because of the fame and glory
But the adventures he had
The friends he made
The beautiful memories
The validation to oneself that he tried his best
He live to his fullest
He made his life and the people around him better
In his old age he live the rest of his life peacefully
And in his final rest, his friends smile knowing he lived a very good life
...And the bronze statues
Get a life
There's just a teeny tiny little bit of something he never got... the girl he likes to like him back.
So close yet so far.
@@neyneyganeyney6046this weirds me out this group never have any one in life to be with like their alone without having kids or a partner to love with, just like frieren's new apprentice she's like already in her 30s something
Himmelthy
It’s not just Himmel. The friendship of their entire group is amazing, the way they comforted Frieren and protected her from the crowd’s judgement . It’s really sweet 😊
It must be agonizing for Frieren witnessing her dear friend's die before her eyes.
feels like your heart's torn apart, imagine moving on in life without them anymore.
Deeper than that, its the moment she realised he even was her dear friend. As far as she's concerned they hung out once for a bit. It didn't feel like she was missing out on anything by walking away until he was completely gone.
Sometimes you don't realize you're in the good old days until they're over.
@@OPUP Yeah, exactly,
@@OPUP For her lifespan, they might as well have been hanging out for a bit, for ten years. There is a tragedy to living a long life in a world surrounded by those who live short lives.
In the newest manga in the end of the manga i see himmel is dreaming married with frieren and that was so sad he cannot Express his feelings
@@venzfurythe curse of immortality
I still can't get over the fact that Himmel is also the VA for Bakugo.
Man's deserved a reward for constantly having to destroy his vocal cords after My Hero Academia
and Accelerator from Index series. His cackles are crazy
Olso frieren VA is anya forger from spy x family VA
Ain't no way. That VA has versatile voice 💀
@@zainmudassir2964 yeah I forgot that 💀. Tbh there is not much dubbing for Accelerator except for the Accelerator stand alone anime.
*GOD EXPLOSION MURDER*
The anime was the same as the manga for me: I knew Himmel for all of like 5 minutes, and yet his funeral and every memory Frieren has of him afterwards absolutely destroys me, as if I had watched an entire 100 episode anime of them together on their quest to kill the demon lord. I still don't know if I'm just overly empathic towards fictional characters, or if the writing was just so good to make me feel like this for a character with so little screentime.
This might have been intentional.
You basically know him for as long aa Frieren did from the perspective of her long life.
Your a true anime fan friend
I read the manga first (just a few chapters) and that first chapter was one of the best pilots ever, then it got an anime and when I watched it, oh did I cry.
Frieren wanted more time to know him, and to tell him so much but now she lost her chance.
But her journey may give her the chance she needs
This is a fantastic story. It's not weird that we got sad. The author is just that good.
The writing is really good. I felt the same way as you when I started the manga.
Well it’s the good writhing, there are characters that live a lot of episodes and don’t make an impact and a fair number that only live a few but leave a massive impact for ex “kamina” and “Pedro”.
That shot of their last adventure attacking that beast dog got me. Eisen was the vanguard and Freiren dealt the last blow with magic. If you'll notice, Himmel has his guard still up walking stick held like a sword in front of Freiren and Heiter.
It’s moments like this that often make us wonder as to whether Immortality is a gift, or a curse?
For Frieren it's actually both simultaneously.
Id probably become a hermit and solo wanderer like frieren after watching too many of my loved ones die. Unless you can find other immortals, its a definite curse
@@DylanJo123 you're definitely getting a mental illness and depression after watching everyone who knew you die one after another unless that Immortality got an added buff to your mental strength
my opinion would align with Frieren. Both a curse and a gift for example I can learn anything I want without minding the weight of time effecting my health but on the other hand, the time that passes by will not be kind to you or your love ones
depends on the person i think.
Having watched the entire anime, I can now fully appreciate how fucking momentous and rare it is for Frieren to, not only show sadness, but openly weep during this scene. Elves truly struggle to understand and express emotions like humans do. How deep her sorrow must have been, then, that Frieren would cry with such humanity in this moment over the realization that she has squandered the fleeting years she could have had with Himmel. The years she did spend by his side was only a tiny fraction of her lifetime, but they changed her so profoundly that the ripple effects of that touched the lives of countless people for years to come.
I like the subtle way it shows elves grieving for their loved ones
Serie, while chatting with Frieren during that test arc has a flashback when she held hands with a younger Flamme. She may be connecting the dots with similar events to Frieren, but it's also a hidden showing that Serie misses Flamme deeply.
At first, i thought Heiter only made the joke to try to lighten the mood but now it dawned on me that both him and Eisen did that so as to redirect the crowd's disdain of Frieren for not being sad to them
And a bit of a rebuke to the crowd. I mean, the crowd acted as if they knew Himmel, but the people who knew him best were those three.
A funeral is a solemn occasion and that crowd is acting like a bunch of petulant toddlers poor Frieren was able to ho1ld it together until Himmel was buried
@@Ares99999 Don't blame them. How else would they treat the hero who saved their world except from respect.
I dont know if im going senile or what, but I’ve teared up every episode
I don't know your age, but as a 40 years old man, I can assure you a scene like that will make me cry big time.
Nah it's just that good.
The OST is just way too fucken good. And I'm not a thousand year-old elf but the overall theme resonated with me. Rekindling the bonds of your past and figuring out that what you had was special... Even if what seems like a short amount of time to you.
Literally, this anime is so good
me too man, this fucking ost made me cry in almost all episodes t.t
I was heart broken when i saw this in the manga but now it is being voiced and animated. Cried like a child.
Oh fck 😭😭😭
It is so endearing seeing how the anime handles the feeling of loss. Everyone who has had someone very important to them pass away can confirm, that this emotion is far more complex than just "sadness", as it is often portrayed in media. At first, it's usually just an overpowering numbness, like the brain blocking out any semblance of emotion to be able to assess the situation logically as a coping mechanism. It takes a few hours, sometimes even days of processing before the floodgates break and all those emotions burst out, all of the regrets, all of the memories, everything at once.
so media portrayed it inaccurately?
There's a frame in this scene which is not in the video, where Frieren realizes Himel is truly gone, she was , i believe, still processing it, and when she heard the bells you can see a frame of her like "opening eyes" as if she realized something. She realized that Himel is no longer with them and she truly missed the opportunity to be with him.
honestly, i was expecting frieren to kiss and cry in front of himmel and expressing her regret for not spending enough time with him in the goddess monument arc.
What do you mean be with him? Elves have no feelings of lust or any biological desire to reproduce, according to frieren lore. So surely you don't mean romantically.
That shocked look happens after the bells ring, I guess. Maybe it is a bit stretch, but could it be that Frieren remembered when Himmel put the flower ring on Frieren's finger? Because in that scene, too, bells were ringing.
@@Fren69420 It's not that they don't have it, they don't have it nearly as strong as humans. That means it will take something really, REALLY impactful for them to feel something. And for Frieren is that she remembered all the time she had spent with him in that 10 year adventure after he passed away, finally realizing that she has taken his short life for granted thinking it will just pass. That flashback we got with himmel putting a ring on her ring finger? She only understands it now, she realizes how special he is for her.
@@aceissleeping3298 no, as stated in the lore, they don't feel it at all.
Oh god. Realizing that the imagery of Himmel watching the meteor shower is like Frieren's experience with her friends. They pass through blazing and beautiful but only last for a moment.
this is very good realization, i never thought of this until now
This hits hard after reading the last chapter of the manga. Himmel was one of the best hero's.
Noooo there are more sad things in the manga I thought it would be toned down from now on I can't handle it 😢
spoil me pls
@@gowther1973 spoilers pls 😢
@@piiurmy2912 I haven't read the manga that's why I said I thought it would be toned down idk what's gonna happen
@@rishavdhariwal4782 you can sum it up with Frieren being cold to them saying things like 'you will die soon'. I understand her perspective being almost immortal but still... poor Himmel
I am the type who had relatives die and could not cry at the funeral procession or the church or when they put them to the grave. However when i was alone and that feeling finally sank in, i sobbed. Everyone grieves in their own way it is just it takes sometime for some of us to really accept it.
I broke down immediately after my grandpa passed, didn’t cry at the funeral, and then broke down intermittently months later at random times.
Yes, everyone grieves differently.
I remember when I received news my grandma fell off the stairs and died, I was just in total shock, but a couple of months later it hit me that she was really gone and I broke down at midnight in my bed.
@@zachanikwanoSame dude, I thought I’d cry at my Grandad’s funeral but I didn’t know how to react. It took me a year before a stray memory got me bawling
Felt the same when my grandma died
You know its gonna be an insanely good Anime when the 1st episode got you in tears.
And so many episodes later, this is the best anime i think i've ever watched.
"What will you have after 500 years?"
Mark: You dad. I have you.
Frieren: ...
"Read my books, Mark."
Frieren: You wrote a grimoire? Is it in this chest?
Mimic: *nom*
With every episode that passes where I see more of Frieren as she is day to day, the more I realize how monumental her crying for Himmel is. She was in love with this man
When Himmel said we have a long life ahead of us I always figured he wanted to confess and live with her till he died.
But he didnt, he knew frieren will live for so many years, and he didnt wanted make her sad.
But he still tried to help every person he could and let statues of himself and his friends to not be forgotten and make frieren not feel alone.
@@Lukozzz234 so he made sad himself and her too when he gone. He could get forever young elf wife, spend his short life with her and give her many more memories. But he decided to not hurt her feelings. And nobody happy at the end. Yeah, elves are (almost) asexual but he didn't have sex with her either so nothing changed anyway. Just don't be a cowards, guys, there aren't any eternal things under the sun. Even love. Even elven love. Don't think about how "worthy" are you, it's not for you to decide. Live today so you will not regret tomorrow. Your wife will outlive you anyway. It's bigger chance for you to die earlier so get as much as you can.
@@АлександрСимон-п6и Bro literally put a ring on her and she still didn't get it. Really isn't Himmel's fault here...
@@kaiz1845 he defeated the demon lord but wasn't brave enough to just confess his feelings straight even knowing elves can understand feelings harldly. It's not only his fault but he didn't try all posibilities.
@@АлександрСимон-п6и Dude how do you get more clear than kneeling down and putting a ring on a girl's ring finger lol.
That is why it is difficult to understand the desire of human beings to be immortal, it is normal to be afraid of death, but I think that eternal loneliness would be worse, where everyone disappears.
even tho nobody should talk like that about what i will say but: i would rather kill myself before i see everything and everyone i hold dear vanishing before my eyes than to ever consider being immortal
for context everyone who understands german should listen to Schandmaul's song Stein der Weisen..... this song sums it up pretty good about why it is better to be mortal
Its mostly cause everyone is different.
No doubt that many would find it suffering to experience the loneliness of immortality
But i see it as an introvert extrovert thing.
Some people are socially wired differently that they’d enjoy immortality and loneliness quite well.
@@zefellowbud5970 It's not like you will remain extroverted or introvert thought-out your entire life thou. If your life is infinite you will definitely feel the grip of Loneliness.
@zefellowbud5970 No introverts are so introverted that they thrive with 0 human interaction or human relationships. That's simply not how humans are made. Some have managed to cope with it, but it's not ever the ideal. I might get exhausted by most social interactions, but I still care greatly for the few people I have in my life and I would suffer without their presence.
It is not the fear of death it is the desire to experience more things. But that is the meaning of death the very end of one's existence there's nothing more you can do on this planet. I think someone to be immortal must love Life's so much in a meaningful way to tolerated living a immortal life. the people we have held special in our hearts will eventually be gone from us even in this mortal life they may still hold a part of us but will still have to come to terms with it there passing from this world the best thing we can do is remember the part of them in our heart
The more episodes passes, the more you know how cool Himmel was! its heartbreaking
I think the reason why Himmel put so many statues of himself was not out of vanity, but love - so Frieren wouldn't forget him. Himmel understood that 10 years was not even a blink of an eye for Frieren and she will forget him at some point, at least he thought she would. He knew Frieren wasn't going to fall for him but he was hopelessly in love with her. Now as she reflects back on her time with Himmel she's starting to pick up on all the things he said and did for her. It's a very endearing love story.
albeit a very bittersweet one. it used to make me wonder how a man who led the party to kill the demon king, doesn't have any family right after their journey ended, but watching this alongside the signs that Himmel really loved her makes this hurt even more. He couldn't have a family because he was waiting for Frieren to be his one, but elves in this story, amirite? They take an entire millennium to process emotions than what humans can process in a minute.
At first it was sad but still okay because we don't have much time with Himmel, but it hits harder and harder as we see more of what he did and what he had left behind...
"In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory."
-High King Aragorn Elessar Telcontar
LOTR is so powerful that it still lives in the hearts of many people.
"The goal is not to live forever, but to create something that will."
In that context, it doesn't just have to be tangible things like statues, books or whatever to record history, but ideals - the strive to do good - to forge companionship no matter the background of the person. Himmel embodied this really well because after all - "it's what Himmel would do."
What I love about the character is that she seems so cold and unmoved by anything, but Frieren feels very deeply inside.
After One Piece, the quotes of living life without regret always made me cry. So the fact that Himmel here had no regret, and lived a good life, it made me tear up
The fact they added the clink when someone throws a item at the dwarfs helmet had me lose it
i can't help but to recall an excerpt from Tolkien about how the elves first encountered man and mortality.
"And when Beor laid dead of no wound or grief; but stricken by age, the Eldar saw for the first time the swift waning of the life of men and the death of weariness that they knew not in themselves. And they grieved greatly for the lose of their friend. But Beor at the last relinquished his life willingly and passed in peace. And the Eldar wondered much at the strange fate of men for in all their lore there was no account of it and it's end was hidden from them."
what a wonderful anime...this scene hits way harder after you've seen the several flashbacks during the series...even at 1:20 there is so much detail e.g. heiter giving a pat to her head...you know the rest.. 😢
The life immortals or long lifers. The unbearable sadness and detachment from life, i feel bad for him. But it's kinda funny, watching her adventures, seeing people gets old while she's still the same.
you know it would be fcking sad moment when Frieren started crying
For a character you only spend maybe five minutes getting to know before watching him succumb to old age, it certainly hits hard watching that scene.
poor Himmel, the damn love of your life comes back as young as the day he left, but... she is the love of your life. You can only grow old by looking at her (even if she ages) and being happy... the great Argentine Gardel said " a shadow you will soon be, a shadow the same as me" in one of his tangos...
Aaaaaahhh this scene. This anime is really a masterpiece. How I wish they make a prequel when their party started their journey to defeat the demon king. I really like Himmel's character.
I relate so much to this scene. My grandmother died a few months ago and I only started crying when seeing the coffin lowered into the ground. Luckily everyone was pretty good at understanding how grief hits people differently and everyone in the family was being supportive of one another.
This anime hits me in the feelings every damn episode
The pain of being an immortal (or at least having a long life span). Knowing that you’ll outlive everyone you knew and loved
Man, when the current chapters of the manga get animated.
This first episode will hurts twice as bad.
Knowing that it's from Madhouse, I might try this one.
Who knows, Wolf's Rain was my favourite anime during childhood, so it is clear that my heart loves heart-warming dramas.
Paprika by satoshi kon was also by madhouse. U should try watching it
"Regrets carrying on through memories".... Man, those are the most painful memories to have 💔
Is no one gonna talk about Old Himmel’s absolutely top tier mustache? Like holy hell he must’ve put real time into making that thing look as baller as it does
This shows why Skips warn Mordecai and Rigby that being immortal is not a good thing to have of the pain of losing those you know to old age. I feel so sad for Frieren knowing she never felt so sad in her long life losing Himmel before her very eyes.
Frieren is such a great story. Showing us how lonely living for thousands of years would be. People are popping in and out of existence all around her and some of them make an impact on her life while others she barely notices. She measures everything in her own time frame and it feels like people live so fast, she's barely able to take in their presence before they're gone for good.
The whole part where they meet the monk Kraft. He is Frieren in the future when people no longer remember her and the hero's party killing the Demon Lord.
Reminds me of one scene in Seven Deadly Sins, King (a fairy) and Diane (a giant) were looking after each other in a harsh world.
They spoke to a kindly human who offered them directions and shelter, King and Diane stayed in a cave for a while thanks to the kindly human. They emerged out of the cave after quite some time, spoke to a another kindly human who resembled the last one the two spoke to - only to find out that this human they were speaking to was the grandson of the human King and Diane met before going in the cave. Makes you really think about the warped sense of time between long lifers and those who barely reach 100 years old.
I love how frieren is falling in love with himmel long after his death. Now she is understanding himmel like she never did before when they were together. It doesn't matter that himmel is not present anymore, what matters is that frieren is now understanding him, appreciating him and loving him. And himmel most probably knew this and that's why he never "BETRAYED" his feelings for frieren by marrying and loving another woman which would have been a right choice. But himmel might have known that despite him not being present with frieren anymore, frieren WILL reciprocate his feelings, will appreciate him and understand him, and that is what most probably mattered to him. The assurance that even if he had died, and it might take a long time, but frieren will love him, and that's what is happening.
This anime really makes people think about their lives.
After my grandfather's death i feel Frieren
It's beautiful how Frieren's friends syncronizly tried to comfort her when she finally cries. For them she meant so much. She just did not understand. This manga/anime is marvelous.
Don't pat her head though
I was surprised by Eisen.
When a dwarf comforts an elf, that's serious friendship.
theres nothing more validating than seeing your close friends acknowledge the life you lived and respected your wishes to not shed a tear. even tho they were sad they still sent himmel off with a smile
I can't feel bad or guilt for some reason. It makes me just empty...
Love that this series focus on memories that you left with family/friends.. because thats what remains after you gone
A real person who truly loved the person who died cries when they realize that they are no longer there in their daily lives...
In manga more long journey frieren has.... she become more love to himmel... realize himmel is best person... every kindness himmel gave to people... slowly help frieren in future
"Dont pat me head"
Aww so sad. She doesn't believe she deserves praise
And there it is. The curse of living forever. You might be eternal but everything around isn't.
I brought my best friend to his resting place. I didn't break my stoic expression while I lowered him to his grave.
It was when I was asked to read some of the "Farewell" cards was that I completely broke down.
The way words are used.. Always remember how easy it is to hurt someone.
At first I thought "Haha Himmel is wearing a magic item that changes looks to prank his party members" then
*BOOM*
Himmel's Funeral scene
I like how most of the time when Frieren remembers Himmel she looks up at the sky, since it means sky/heaven in German.
Those people can call Frieren, Eisen and Heiter "heartless" all they want, but knowing Himmel he wouldn't care if they shed a tear at his funeral. He'd be happy they were there together one last time.
After reading the manga , you would know how much Himmel loved Frieren
I didn't realize when I saw the first episode how significant it is that she cried for Himmel. I didn't understand her character or who she is yet.
this episode hits soooooo different watching it the second time after finishing the anime....
so truee, it hit very different
Himmel the most ancient chad ever existed.
I didn't cry when my elders passed. It is good to cry to let it out at the time, because if you don't, you do so many times later. I envy people who forget easily. I really do.
The Death of Himmel is like the Battle of Yavin. Part of a calendar or timeline? So thousands of years before the Death of Himmel, it was an epic era? The demons could just be mutated humans, elves, and demi-humans devoid of emotions? No telling what the Demon King before the Demon King was like. Imagine the demon alliance with dragons and angels fighting the Gods and Titans of Old.
I kind of figured that the (X) Years Since The Hero Died was more of a narrative device for the audience rather than an actual in-universe thing.
@@Veqtronicthe way I see it, its more for Frieren, bcs the death of Himmel changee her
It is because its all about himmel after all
Also the demons remained hidden while Himmel was alive
It’s criminal to cut this scene up and disrupt the beautiful music…
これはもう泣きそうになった😭
It’s beautifully sad how it only registered for me the moment it registered for Frieren when she said “Why didn’t I try to get to know him better”
The voice acting is phenomneal, you can hear the longing and regret as the passage of time registers for both the audience and Frieren that Himmel is gone, forever.
In this anime, I learned that if a being grants you immortality, you need to have a mental manipulator as well, or you will end up as an old, depressed hag, with multiple mental illness.
This is a beautifully written and drawn anime.
This hits different after the latest manga chapter
That’s how I am…I can’t express my feelings until those precious moments hit me
50 years passed and 30 more after Himmel died ; How the priest lived longer than Himmel ?
it really hits different after progressing in the story
A while back I was hanging out with my girlfriend and we went to a grocery store to pick up some groceries because her dad was cooking. My mom worked at the grocery store and when I saw her she said she had to tell me something but the she started crying and said she would tell me later. When my girlfriend and I got back to her house I said to my girlfriend “I have a feeling my dog died” she said not to think like that and that it will be fine. When my mom got off work she came to my girlfriend’s house. I asked my girlfriend to stay inside. I went out to the car and I was right. My dog died. I didn’t want to cry and I tried my best not to. My girlfriend could tell I was upset. I wouldn’t hug her because I knew I would cry. She hugged me anyway and I cried. The worst part was going home and not seeing my dog waiting there.
Sorry felt like typing this. I think it helped.
He was old but he still had so much live in his eyes ♥A childlike wonder...
Heiter aged so well. The author did Himmel so dirty in comparison. I love it 😂
its incredible how at first i didnt care for frieren, i only started to feel something for this anime 6 episodes in. but now that i am done with season 1, this scene hits totally different. i wish for frieren to meet himmel in some way and kiss him. this anime is just beautiful
This weirdly reminded me of my grandpa. It wasn't long ago in fact it was a couple months, throughout his wake I thought it was weird how everyone was crying and sobbing their hearts out during their goodbye speeches, I thought I was being a weird kid for not even tearing up when I delivered mine and figured I just didn't care because I didn't see him often. But it wasn't until it dawned on me, emotionally at least, that yeah he was really gone, all those memories we made with him for the last decade stops here, I kept convincing myself I already knew this and only after that did I become a sobbing mess. I guess it's normal for late reactions, I was still processing it and didn't quite grasp it until I did, only then did I realize how precious those memories of when we did see each other back when he was alive precious, I wish I didn't take him for granted.
1:21 ここ好き
When I first saw this episode I don't really feel anything. Sure it's sad but it's still the first episode so I have no idea who they really are. Coming back after watching the final ep of season 1, this hits hard man. Seeing frieren cry is so heartbreaking
THIS IS THE EXCHANGE OF LONG LIFE SPAN IN A PERSON. IT MAYBE GOOD FOR SOME OR OTHER TO HAVE THAT KIND OF LIFE SPAN BUT IN REALITY YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONTINEOUS PAIN AND HATRED IN YOUR LIFE. SO GOOD BUT SO SAD TOO🥲 MUCH BETTER FOR REINCARNATION RATHER THAN LONG LIFE😔
I have a teory. Himmel lived much less than Heiter (Heiter lived over 20 years more despite being older than Himmel), and that was because of a curse placed upon him by the demon king before his defeat. He was cursed to dying early in life as soon as he met his loved one one last time, so they didn't have time to tell each other their true feelings.
Might explain why he looks so much older too.
@@demonangel918 true. I also can't quite believe that they defeated the demon king and came pretty much unscathed. Something we don't know yet must have happened during that fight.
I didnt feel anything when I first watched it cause its just the 1st episode, but after finishing the series and coming back here, I feel so empty and sad watching this again
Bro tried to sneak voices from mushoku tensein and thought we wouldn't notice
First episode of this anime is enough to make this man inside of me tears
悲しすぎて寝ることが出来ません🥺
I almost forgot about this scene...never seen her expressing her emotions like that
Grief is just love with no place to go
This anime had no business being this sad in the first episode, and yet I felt sad. God-tier anime for real.
This is a scene where the english dub absolutely shines with the voice acting
I still dont blame her she has a life where a second isn't a thing, a hour means nothing, a month feels like taking a breath, and a year being like a short nap. (it makes complete sense that her meaning of time is non-existent and everything around just feels like a dream)
Frieren crying got me all sad all the way to my meow meow.
God dude, I wanted to watch this because of the synopsis, now seeing what people said in the comments of her realizing he’s gone hit me like a truck, it took me many many months and to watch my uncles ashes burn in a Viking bonfire to be spread over my family ranch for me to realize, he was truly gone, it made me reflect not getting to spend more time with him, and later to remember he died the same year I graduated highschool, the 27th of November 2017, I cried like a damned fool, some pieces of his ashes were spread in tiny flasks for his kin and I got one, and some of his ashes were placed on our ranch at this rock tree (tree growing out of a large boulder). Awhile after he passed, we went up there one day and the area around the tree in the dead of winter was warm, and we got reception. Sooo that got me to cry again….
This remind me on myself during my grandfather death. I dont know, maybe i was too young to understand about death durung standard 5, i just know everything will die in certain time. It was all changed and brought the heaviest impact to me, when i saw in front of my eyes, he was been buried at that time i know "this will be the last time i see you".
This is much the Elves in LOTR, they are immortal and live forever, they don't understand the concept of mortality. That's why they usually take forever to act on something or anything due to their not having a time limit, pretty much like ultimate procrastinators. Now of course they feel the pain and grief when losing their mortal friends due to time, and this is mostly the reason why Elves live among themselves rather than with others.
this anime made me cry like every episode i’m serious
This scene hits different after you complete the anime, Frieren rarely shows emotions.