Remote ID Update: DJI Mini 3 and 4
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- DJI recently changed the way the DJI Mini 3 and Mini 4 Pro broadcast Remote ID depending on the battery being used. It's confusing so we made a video.
Please note this does not apply to the DJI Mini 3 Pro.
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00:00 Introduction
01:27 Three Scenarios
01:52 Small Battery Only
03:08 Large Battery Only
03:46 Both Batteries
05:40 Is this Legal?
06:49 What Should I Do?
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DJI should really have added a "switch' in their app to activate or deactivate remote ID. Far simpler than the mess they created.
Can't do that, it's against Part 89 regulation. Can't be tamper proof.
What about setting up the remote ID function like the Geo Zone unlock. Pilot gets a permission through DJI to have remote ID function shut off or on. @@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstituteif you just made the switch available for the small battery… I bet they can do that! It would get rid of the need to buy a module, and would be cheaper and more secure all around. Couldn’t say , Ops, my RID module battery must be dead.
@@PilotInstitute One would think that a switch for "Use Drone Remote ID with small battery" would still be acceptable. The drone can obviously already detect the difference. And failing to set the setting properly would be no different than simply not using a separate module when _other_ attachments take it over the 250g limit. Or am I missing something.
@@PilotInstitute "RID ON ONLY" option would suffice and only be operable with small battery. I am sure the FAA would LOVE more drones registered which would be the end result. Now they (DJI) are creating more illegal flyers and forcing us to spend more money to stay legal. There has to be a software fix for this. DJI turns RID off with small battery in firmware I am sure they could make an option when loading firmware to turn it ON. I'm pissed.
I plan to keep my smaller batteries, and only use them when I'm doing such things as firmware updates, or adjustments to controls that require the drone to be powered on.
Many thanks for laying out the options. One additional consideration is what you should do if you are a US pilot who wants to take his drone on vacation to Europe, where you will be subject to the rules of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The rules just changed on January 1, 2024 and are quite complex, but to fly in the "open" category in the class A1 subcategory (very flexible, okay to fly in urban settings, max altitude 120 meters, no intentional flying over uninvolved people and no flying over gatherings), you need a drone like the DJI Mini 4 pro which weighs less than 250 grams (which means, only with the standard battery). Apparently drones sold in Europe have "class markings", and under 250 gram drones would have a C0 marking. But DJI Mini 4 pro drones sold in the US do not have "class markings", and as a result, are deemed to be legacy drones and, unless they are less than 250 grams, can only be flown in the class A3 subcategory (horizontal safety distance must be 150m from residential, commercial, industrial or recreational areas and there should be NO uninvolved people in the area of operation). For my purposes, it sounds like I will fly my Mini 4 Pro in the US using ONLY the extended battery (don't really see the sense in adding a RID module just to use the lighter battery), and when I visit Europe over the summer, I will fly using ONLY the standard (light) battery so I can fly in the class A1 subcategory. DJI is now permitting people who own the Mini 4 pro in Europe to apply for a new "C1" class marking, which would permit flying in the permissive Class A1 open category while using the extended battery (plus strobes, etc.), but I haven't yet discovered a way to apply for the sticker for a Mini 4 Pro purchased in the US. To fly in Europe you pretty much have to register as a "drone operator" as well, in addition to passing a basic online piloting course with the EASA.
This comment should be pinned, as it provides very useful information for pilots from outside the EU thinking about flying their drone in EASA territories! Well done 👍
Very done! Easy to follow. I am happy to see DJI supporting the majority of their (non-part 107) customers!
I'm on the verge of getting a M4P just for recreational flying to see if I want to go any further to 107. Pilot Institute has been super valuable to me while I've been researching everything. Kept me from making the mistake of getting the extended battery option, making it super easy and safe to take my TRUST test etc and laid out everything so I know I'm doing things correctly. I appreciate you guys!
same here. And PilotInstitute has been doing yeoman work on this.
I own A DJI mini 3 that’s been registered since I am a part 107 certified but due to this change I had to buy the larger battery does this mean that I have to register the larger battery too? even though the drone is registered already?
@@felipecordero-us7bl I'm no expert, but would bet that if your drone is already registered there won't be any need to register the battery. I've never heard of registering just a battery and since it's not the actual vehicle I imagine that's why. As far as I understood it using the larger battery will allow the RID to become active. I'm pretty sure that happens because the larger battery causes the software to kick in and begin transmitting RID. To get a expert answer about this I would ask your question during one of the live streams. Greg is very good about interacting and answering questions. I would ask it in a super chat so it's sure to be seen rather than just hoping it gets seen in the normal chat. 👍
@@felipecordero-us7bl 2nd reply to you because I like to understand this stuff also. 😉 I re-watched the video to see if I could figure out an answer for you but I'd still get a expert answer from Greg. Upon re-watching my understanding is: Since you bought the larger battery your mini 3 should be transmitting RID internally with that battery. The only time you would have another registration would be if you use your smaller batteries and then you would have to use an RID module along with the smaller batteries. It's that RID module used with the smaller batteries that would need the registration. Hope this helps.
@@Montana_horseman thanks, I think you are right I don't think that I have to register the larger battery it should be ready and good to fly, thanks again for the insightful info and opinion I really appreciate it.
Excellent, clear and straightforward explanation of a confusing regulatory situation.
Please keep us updated on any changes to the Mini 3 Pro.
Don't think they will touch that.
@@PilotInstitute how come?
Because I think they consider that the professional version of the Mini 3, so they assume it's being used primarily by part 107 pilots. The Mini 3 would be the recreational version, which is why it was affected.
@@PilotInstitute Weird though, that they would consider mini 3 recreational (gets the change) and the mini 3 pro professional (does not get the change), while at the same time the mini 4 pro gets the change and therefore considered recreational? If the answer is because there is no mini 4, just a mini 4 pro, I recall that the mini 3 pro came out first, followed by the mini 3, so I am guessing you think the mini 4 won't follow the same pattern?
@PilotInstitute so that means the mini 3 pro will always have RID enabled?
Hello, this was a little confusing at first but I made it through and it is all clear now. Thank you for all the needed information. Take care.
That was a great breakdown of a very convoluted situation. THANK YOU!!!!
@pilotinstitute So I would un register my mini 3? I registered it, because you suggested that in a training video. After removing the registration I plan to fly only with the smaller battery. Would that be an option for compliance?
This is what I did.
I unregistered my Mini, took the sticker with registration off and apparently that means I’m in compliance.
this seems like a similar situation of the firearms laws here in Texas, where you can carry legally without permit/registration, but once you register you now fall into a stricter set of guidelines and restrictions, so many people just don't register.
I had no idea it was this way, i think i just F'd up. or at least forced myself into 107
They have put the Part 107 flyers in a box. Requiring them to add a module is silly. And creating two registrations is just as dumb. Not to mention all the people buying the fly more kit and then finding out what a mess it is for Part 107 flyers.
DJI doesn’t want any buyer backlash whether they’re hobbyists or professionals. I think DJI will release a firmware upgrade with a Remote ID on/off switch in the settings panel that will be forced to “on” with the heavier battery. Subject then closed.
That appears to be a pretty simple solution for DJI and I hope you’re right and I hope it’s soon
DJI already said that they can't add an off switch due to its legality.
@@SlackerU Perhaps releasing multiple firmware versions would be legal. One for always RID, one for "depends on battery type". Load the proper one and done.
Well done Greg!
DJI should add a switch to their firmware update to be able to switch on or leave off the RID only when using the smaller battery.
That way if you’re required to have RID on because you registered the drone and have both batteries but flying the smaller one, then you don’t need to have a separate module.
Thanks for clarifying all of this.
I think DJI is trying to appease the "I will not comply folks". If you only fly recreationally, use the small battery only. You are legal. If you want to fly 107, buy the larger batteries only and you will be legal after registration, which you must do anyway under 107. I think Greg's dual registration scheme by buying an external RID module AND use a smaller battery for 107 flight is just too much a pain (which he was implying??).
I appreciate your comment.. Its the first common sense and sensible one I've seen.
brilliant explanation, thank you.
can you futher comment. If i have a registered M4P as a rec pilot and get my 107 soon, do i need to reregister the drone to get a new “part 107 number” or do I only need to get a new number for a future second drone? In other words, will I have to do anything to my drone registration just because i get my 107 cert?
Considering that I’m currently still learning, but planning to start the 107 course soon to get my license… this makes me really consider getting the Air3 instead just so I don’t have to deal with the headache of figuring out which battery I can and can’t use.
Wait for the 3s.
I've got both the M3P and M4P and registered the M4P before all this came about. I have one larger battery and 2 regular and wondering what I should do as this is crazy. When I go back to Canada it won't be a problem but while in the US it does pose a problem and probably should just fly the smaller battery. Do I have to unregister my drone? I only fly recreational. I only registered the M4P because of getting the larger battery.
So informative thanks a ton
I just passed my 107 through your course and I purchased a mini 3 pro based upon this video. Noticed I cannot view it with drone scanner applications. Today I got a remote id error displayed on the display so our called DJI support. Spoke with 2 techs and was told by both that the 3 pro DOES NOT support remote id unless the larger battery plus is used the same as the 4. They told me I could send everything back for a refund but expect an email informing me of my options. If you search their website you will find as per this video it does support remote id and also when they link to the faa compliance site the information says it is compliant as my sn matches. Waiting to hear back from and when I do I will let them know to correct their website and also let the FAA know it is not complaint. I will let you know what I hear as I only have a few days to send the unit back to them.
It’s amazing that we can’t get a straight answer on this basic question! It would make sense that the mini 3 pro would act the same as the mini 3 and mini 4 pro based on the battery weight. I was surprised to hear in this video that the mini 3 pro always broadcasts RID regardless of size of battery!
super helpful, i was a tad frustrated and confused having just purchased a DJI mini 3
You didn’t register at all right? Thinking of getting one
If I understand correctly, the DJI Mini 3 and Mini 4 Pro owners can sell the original battery to purchase a new (heavier) one. However, if you have the DJI Mini 3 Pro, both batteries will still allow for Remote ID?
Do you have the link to your recommend rid module?
Well done informative video. Thanks for sharing it with us. On another note though I have to wonder it the current implementation of RemoteID is practical. RemoteID uses Wi-Fi and/or extended range Bluetooth. So in clear space, void of obstacles, it is probably only detectable out to about 400ft or less away. Someone trying to find you may likely visually see you before RemoteID pinpoints you.
Greg, I was wondering if you know or have tested using a RID module on the Mini 4 Pro and whether it interferes with the sensors on the top of the drone.
Question. I have an Autel EvoII pro and wanted to ask what’s the least expensive remote ID module I can buy for this drone and semi least expensive. I’d greatly appreciate your assistance and guidance.
Great info was thinking of getting the mini 3. I honestly didn’t want to get remote ID I thought all drones need it which made me not want to get it. All I wanted to use it for was when we go off roading
I've read most of the comments so apologies if this is a repeat- could i fly Mini 4 with small batteries, unregistered, while studying for part 107 then register and use bigger batteries with RID after certification?
Thank you!
You do a great job explaining it but maybe a board or an infographic with a table would help.
In the DJI Forum for mini 4 pro.
~ Thank you for reaching out. After updating the firmware of the DJI Mini 4 Pro to v01.00.03.00 or later, only the Intelligent Flight Battery Plus supports broadcasting FAA Remote ID. When using DJI Mini 4 Pro with an intelligent flight battery and if broadcasting is required, we highly recommend installing a third-party RID module that meets the requirements onto the aircraft for compliance operations. We appreciate your understanding.
I have a Mini4 Pro 4 ...and I have both batteries...I have 107...so I registered the Drone, unaware of this situation....so now it looks like I need another registration for the small batteries...is there an extra fee to the FAA for that?
It is the corrupt government.... what do you think.
Hi Greg, I've got a mini 4 pro with the heavier battery....at least that's what I thought I purchased. Where is the marking for the smaller battery? I WANT to register my mini 4 pro as I'm a part 107 pilot (thanks to your course). My question is...my Mini 4 Pro isn't broadcasting the Remote ID standard with the heavier battery. Any suggestions? Is it a software upgrade that enables the remote ID for the heavier mini 4 pro?
Will I need a module for each small battery? And does each one need a different registration number?
What if, you registered your mini 4 pro (w/ sub 249g batts) for recreational use (optional, I know) with the knowledge that it had native RID already. Then, DJI switches off the RID on sub 249 batts through firmware update. Can’t I just unregister the drone with the FAA, operate with my Sub 249 batts and be compliant that way? I have noticed that other cancelled drone registrations I have remain in my inventory even though show a cancel status
I wonder why the mini 3 pro is not affected but I’m not complaining, I was putting up not doing the update until I had clarity on what was going on
I have a Mini 3 and have never updated the firmware. When I check on the Flight Checklist from the dropdown menu on the right, it says Remote ID functionality normal. It includes a Code number. Do I not need to worry about buying the larger battery or module, assuming I am broadcasting Remote ID? I am part 107 BTW thanks to Greg's excellent teaching.
Greg, first of all your explanation is great and I really appreciate you breaking it down into layman terms for us. This is an absolutely ridiculous set of convoluted rules that really comes down to a discrepancy of only a few grams. We seem to have a battle between the technology of battery weight and an arbitrary rule around the strict number of 250 grams, couldn't the FAA just bend that by raising it a little bit until technology catches up?
Why Can’t DJI turn on remote ID on mini 4 with small (regular) batteries?
This has been very confusing, thanks for clearly explaining what you need to do, depending which batteries you own. And for clearing up exactly which drones this effects. Great information, thanks for sharing.
I may be missing something regarding owning both batteries. As a 107 pilot, I believe it's still possible to fly recreationally, correct? And if you are flying recreationally with a drone < 250g than you don't have to use RID. So another option would be to only use your standard batteries when flying recreationally where RID is not required. And when using the larger batteries then you would fly under 107 and be in compliance with RID since the M4P does transmit RID natively when using the larger battery. This way you don't have to purchase an external RID module. Is that correct or am I missing something?
Another slightly off topic question regarding Recreational Drone registration via FAA DroneZone. What is the purpose of adding a Recreational registration via DroneZone for a sub 250g drone since it doesn't require RID? When you create this registration the first question is whether your drone broadcasts Remote ID. If you answer NO, as you would for the M4P with standard battery, then it doesn't ask for serial numbers. So why does the FAA have this registration option for drones below 250g that aren't required to have RID? If you create this registration all that is asked for is Device Type (Traditional or Homebuilt), Manufacturer & Model. There is nothing entered that ties the registration to your specific drone. So why create this registration and are you required to do this in this case? Appreciate any clarification.
FYI, there are TWO different types of standard ultra light batteries, the 2453 mah that came with the mini 3 series and the 2590 mah that came with the mini 4. Only the newer 2590 mah ultra light will get the firmware upgrade and stop broadcasting RID. The older 2453 mah battery if used with the mini 4 pro will NOT update and will still broadcast.
@Pills161 - Thanks for that info regarding the 2453mAh.
Well I wish I had read the comments first. I knee-jerk bought three of the plus batteries just so my Mini 3 would still transmit it RID. Well I guess I will now have 6 batteries 😂
but the older battery is heavier so if you use it in your drone it will fall under 107 right? since it will have more than 249grams (77.9gr new vs 80.5gr old)
@RobsTubeTV you can only dont update the firmware. Is there any improvement needed in this update or only this limitation? if not required skip it... Mini 3/3 pros will not receive any new feature now so I'll not update it anymore until be mandatory
@@hoffmannbeck actually I am fine with the RID being transmitted, in fact that’s why I went ahead and purchased three plus batteries.
With the Wrapgrade skin I put on, it’s over 249g anyway. Which is why I want RID.
Another problem that arises is when you use the standard Mini 3 battery in the Mini 4 Pro it takes it up to 251.8 grams. DJI slimmed down the Mini 4 battery but still said the Mini 3 batteries are compliant when it puts it over weight.
From our testing, in this situation the drone broadcasts RID.
How hard is the Part 107 test ? Is that something you take the test online or do you have to go somewhere and take the test ? Great video, thanks for the info
It’s 60 questions on a variety of topics. You need 70% to pass. 1/3 of people who self study fail. The test must be done in person at an FAA testing center.
@@PilotInstitutethanks
For the recreational mixed battery scenario, it sounds like you also need two registrations. What did I missed?
I'm not afraid of registration or RID. I think my most cost effective route is to sell my 249 batteries and just upgrade. RID will be turned on, easy peasy, no worries.
I believe I misunderstood my first time watching your explanation. This time I think I better understand. I have the Mini 3 PRO. So, this drone is NOT affected with the use of either battery correct? As you said, just NOT the Mini 3 and the Mini 4 Pro. PLEASE CONFIRM FOR ALL OF US! Thanks for all you do!
Annoyed part 107 user here. Bought this specifically for remote id
I'm not getting a module, I'm going to use the big battery for Part 107, but I'm not buying and flying a module with the small batteries, just because I registered the drone. There are like 1000 folks on the earth that even know the regulation statues.
@@spladam3845 i just got the mini4 flymore for christmas and recently passed my 107; i'm pretty upset that i'm now going to have to spend $300 more on a set of batteries that i don't really need :/
Same here. I have six small batteries. 🤬 This is just dumb.
Me too. I looked it up before buying.
If it hasn't begun already, it's going to get to the point where rules/regulations are so overly complicated that all law abiding drone pilots will just collectively say screw it. This change only adds another poopoo layer to the increasingly smelly onion that this hobby is turning into...
Welcome to the gun hobby struggles
Better advice is to just learn and stay up on the rules as best you can, comply with them as best you can, and be able to document your logic and understanding of the rules when called upon to do so.
If you’re not doing anything risky, dangerous or clearly against the rules (while drinking, over people, over moving cars, beyond VLOS, FPV without a VO, in a restricted area, in a controlled area without a clearance, at night without a strobe, no 107 or a TRUST certificate following CBO compliance, etc.), you should be fine, even if LE shows up. Saying “it’s too complicated, so I’m just gonna fly” is rather risky and not a viable option.
Follow the spirit and intent of the laws and regulations. If people ignore them, they’ll just ban drones outright, or limit them to 100 feet or shielded operations, etc.
I’m already there. Part 107 certified July last year and I’ve flown once. It’s not just FAA rules to be concerned with. Local city and state regulations are also a big factor.
This already happened, they pushed it back last time because everyone said they wouldn't comply, and the FAA realized they had no means of enforcement.
@@sethproaps8899 they pushed it back because of supply vs demand, you can’t install something nobody is affordably selling when a huge market was suddenly created for it. And they have more than enough means of enforcement. We don’t need the equivalent of “travelers” in the drone environment. It’ll just make it worse for everybody.
Does the DJI mini 3 display the remote ID in the controller? My scanner doesn't pick it up, I'm looking to be compliant, but can't seem to locate the drone icon on my controller
having trouble finding where the remote ID serial number is to actually register the mini 4 pro to the FAA
Question;
…if I fly recreational only, and drone is under 249 grams, and I remove it from my inventory at DroneZone (because I have no RID) will I be declined flight approval from FAA via LANCE when I need approval?
That was so confusing...
This is called recreation?
Actually I'm part 107 certified and the rules are set different for me
Nice batery😊
At 6:48 in this video, the image seems misleading. It is saying when drone is greater than 250g it does NOT need RID inside. Previously it was mentioned if the drone is less than 250g it does not need RID inside. Is there a typo in the image?
Good catch, that was indeed a typo in the graph.
Mini 3 with small battery never registered it so I’m clear to take off ! Yesss
What a clusterfcuk! I have both Mini3/4Pro and have been thinking of getting my p107, but now I think ill just be more careful on which batt pack I use and where.(rec flying only for me)
So, do you have to buy both batteries then?
With the weight of the rid modile won't that push it over the 250 gram weight limit?
Yes, he mentions that anything attached to the UAS will put it over 250g.
You only need the module if you're flying under 107, in which case weight doesn't matter.
If the drone weighs over 249 g/0.55 lbs it has to be registered and any drone that is registered has to have RID even when flown recreationally unless you are flying in a FRIA.
Not if you accidentally registered the drone planning for part 107 use. Once registered, it requires RID for all cases and you need to add a registration with the RID module number if you use a module. @@PilotInstitute
In my country the rules is; Exceptions for registration only apply if you are flying a drone under 250 grams without a camera or if the drone is clearly marked as a toy.
Which meens flying with small battery, you have to buy a rid module.
Was there any mention of the update ever coming to the mini 3 pro?
No, I don't think they will touch that because it is the "Pro" version of the mini 3. So DJI is probably thinking, Mini 3: recreational mostly, Mini 3 Pro, Part 107 mostly.
@@PilotInstitute Really? As a recreational pilot looking at next purchase, I really want obstacle avoidance. Is that really just a professional feature?
The Mini didn't have obstacle avoidance until those models were called Pro, so I'm gonna say yes. I think it's a way to differentiate from the cheaper model and warrant a higher price point with more advanced features.
@@PilotInstitute Except the Mini 3 Pro came out FIRST, with no expectation of a future Mini 3, and without RID pre-installed because it was exempt from RID as sold with the smaller battery! Why not give all Mini 3 Pro owners the same recreational choice with the smaller battery, as the Mini 3 owners? I deliberately did NOT update my Mini 3 Pro to the one-way mandatory RID FW, so I am not broadcasting RID with EITHER battery! LOL!
So I only have the big battery’s I have my drone registered under part 107 my license etc. so I don’t have to do anything I’m good?
You good!
I will be teaching drone classes with the Mini 3 coming up. Do I need a RID module for each drone? It's ONLY be used as a teaching drone or a recreational drone for fun. What do I need to do? I'm confused by all of the information I've been reading regarding the RID especially for this drone.
I'd recommend getting the larger batteries for when you teach and the smaller batteries for recreational.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks!
Please let's clarify that you can add a propeller guard as long as the overall weight is less than 250g. I just did this. All guards can be trimmed.
Where did you get them at ?
I don't get why you can't just opt into using remote id with the standard batteries.
How about if DJI makes new mother boards with remote ID and the customer can replace them? Very much so like building your own PC
Can someone explain to me why some recreational flyers despise broadcasting RID (when it isn't required) so much to the point that their complaints were vocal enough to prompt this change? I'm a relatively new flier and I just don't see at all where the concern was, whereas there is now legitimate annoyance, issues, etc. that will arise for many as a result.
My Mini 4 Pro does not broadcast remote id and I have the larger batteries.
I purchased this model and the larger batteries because I understood that it does broadcast remote id.
So now what???
@pilotinstitute….new to drones. If I get Part107 license all drones, even 250 g need to be registered and have remote ID?
Yes.
@@PilotInstituteNo, you do not have to register if you play as a recreational pilot. Please read Part107 carefully.
So, if you need registration, it's best to use the large batteries only and sell your small ones.
yep
Never been this early to a video about something I own before.
Same !!! I was excited to watch cause I got the mini 3 with small battery and no register so this is good for me and whoever who’s mini 3 small battery
I had no idea merely registering the drone then required RID even if under 250g. I dont know what to do now.
Just remove it from your inventory and take the registration sticker off.
so what if someone gets rid of the big batteries and owns and flies only the small batteries recreationally
So let me understand this by reading some of these comments I have a Mini 3 Pro and have both batteries will it still have remote ID with the small battery?
Yes, unless they also update the firmware on that one too.
Adding the RID module to the small battery will not exceed the max 250g limit?
Wont matter as the drone will be registered.
@@ckuhner71 well in Europe we register also under 250g. Above it is another class and needs pilot certification
@@sz0236 then you’d likely need to get your pilot creds. The RID unit, while small, will add weight.
Nice but I registered my mini 4
Recreational because I had to register my Mavic Pro before they come out with remote ID so I had to FAA registration number . So I registered my mini 4 on the drone zone then remote ID came out the big battery I registered it again remote ID . I don’t think I need a module because I have registered mini 4 twice on the drone registered FAA dronezone how that works out.
If you registered it in the dronezone, you can just delete it from your inventory list, then it's no longer registered recreationally.
I''m a new recreational flyer with a mini 3 with the small battery and I did "register" my drone (thought it be a good idea). I plan only recreational (small battery) flying, but I'm guessing now that I have to purchase an RID module just because I registered my bird? Sucks, I might as well buy the larger batteries and or go all in for Sec 107...
unregister it
Thank you, thought it was a smart idea at the time..@@RebelByNature
@@mdkjones07I unregistered mine since I’m strictly recreational with smaller battery.
I live in Staten island I have Avata, mini 3 pro , mini 4 pro and air 3 drone so that means I have to register all my drone ?I have been flying them all the time with out been registered . Anyone can help cause I’m confused
doesn't it tell you this on the TRUST? did you take the TRUST?
It is unfortunate DJI did not choose to handle RID this way from the start, however, for those flying with the standard batteries who require RID (part 107, added accessories, etc..) the solution is as simply as purchasing a Plus battery. Alternatively one can add a RID module. I applaud the change as users flying with the standard batteries have no need to register with FAA, nor to broadcast RID. The FAA could simplify things by eliminating the need to transmit RID on registered drones when operated under 250 grams.
Good morning. I'm very new to drones (DJI mini 3 ), which may need to need to be clarifiedclarified, but I found that Google is my best friend. I recently ran upon your video and bought additional accessories with a larger battery for more flight time. However, I did not know I needed to register due to the weight specs; therefore, I registered anyway. When I get my bigger battery, do you think I will need to register again, or does this only pertain to part 107??
It seems to me that a simpler solution would be to have the ability to toggle remote ID on and off from the small battery.
Wait... Confused about the Mini 3 Pro, when you say "not affected", do you mean that Remote ID is ALWAYS broadcasting (even if using small battery)? So what does that mean, should we register the drone or not? Or does it not matter?
Yes, always broadcasting on the Mini 3 Pro regardless of the battery. You do not need to register it if you're flying recreationally and not adding equipment to it.
Thanks, I was also confused by the "not affected", I am Part 107 so I need my Mini 3 Pro to broadcast RID. Good to know I am all set with the smaller battery.@@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstitute So, for those of us still running fw 1.00.0300, are we in violation or simply not broadcasting and because I only use small battery okay.
Oh boy, can you imagine trying to explain yourself to others or a park ranger, and then getting in trouble because your understanding was incorrect…
In this video, you stated the mini three pro is not affected. I just purchased a mini three pro this week from DJI so are you saying that remote ID is installed in this drone or is not installed in this drone
It is installed on the mini3 pro and broadcast with either batteries.
@@PilotInstitute ok thank you. So will it broadcast your position and everything that comes along with remote ID? I don’t understand why DJI would install that in the sub 250 Drone that doesn’t have to be registered.?
For a Part 107 pilot, why not just fly with the Large battery only. That way you won't need a Remote RID module, Is this correct?
So if I have a mini 3 pro, I need to be part 107 and can no longer fly recreationally? TIA
Mini 3 pro was not affected. It still broadcasts RID with either battery. Greg says this early in the video.
@larryjones2563 tbh, I did hear him say that but I think I was so confused and worried to begin with that I didn't allow myself to fully understand. It does make sense now. Thank you
So I just ordered mini 3 pro is clear for take off??
Yes
M3P is not affected meaning, it broadcasts RID all the time. So even if you have not registered your drone the drone will broadcast RID. It is good that it can be used for recreational and part 107 with the small batteries and you don't need an external RID module. M3P is a winner.
Seems to me that DJI could add a setting that would force broadcast of RID regardless of battery size.
I think this is explicitly banned by the FAA as users would have input.
Unfortunately not allowed by the FAA. It needs to be "Tamper proof".
@@PilotInstitute It really is unfortunate how that technicality prevents everyone from being happy in this situation. From a logical standpoint, there really would be no new level of harm in allowing users to force Remote ID on when flying with the standard battery, while preventing it from being disabled when using the larger battery. I mean it really isn't any different than a part 107 pilot choosing or not choosing to comply with Remote ID regulations when flying with the standard battery by choosing or not choosing to use an RID module.
I have to question that ("tamper proof" exclusion) because the intent of the FAA is not to allow someone to turn RID OFF through tampering. A switch in this case is being used to turn RID ON and the drone reverts to its normal condition otherwise (which is now specified under its FAA certification). Of course the FAA may look at it as being able to turn the RID off (with the lighter battery and when it's under 250g) but that's only illegal if the drone is registered. These are some really sticky points that needs work by DJI and the FAA.
This question keeps popping up. People keep saying either how stupid it is not to have the switch or how a simple switch could solve all this. PilotInstitute points out that the regs preclude this. Two things can and and are true at the same time.🤣
I registered my drone with the idea that I will "someday" day 107. I only have the small battery, did i make a mistake? Can RID be enabled with the small battery?
Remove it from inventory
Just my thoughts.
Because of the international drone laws, all drones are now in categories.
So instead of drone customers buying a drone based on the most expensive being, the biggest and most expensive drone.
Now the trend is to have a sub 250g drone with a camera which is nearly as good as the camera in an Air 3, and the Air 3 has a camera which is nearly as good as the Mavic 3 Pro in some situations.
Keep in mind that some buyers in some locations maybe limited to just 250 gram drones.
Regarding Obstacle avoidance, is useful. Just remrmber you can use propeller gaurds, if you think you are going to fly in risky areas.
Nobody talks about this.
So I think the Mini series is a very important and popular segment of the drone market place.
However I would love to see
1. A miniature Dji Inspire to be sub 900 grams with inter changeable lenes. ( I am just dreaming)
2. HDR for panoramas.
3. Focus stacking
4. In camera colour profiles for different lighting situations.
😊
so mini 3 pro broadcasts even with smaller battery?
So ur saying if I get the bigger battery for mini 3 I don’t need remote module just register…I heard it that I don’t need module for big battery Thankx for info anyways
If DJI was able to release the firmware for the 4, why can’t they release another FW.v that allows users of the small battery to enable RID?
Seems like a pretty easy solution.
That video was not confusing. Moving on; As a student pilot I passed & got Part 107 certified and lots of regulations. I'm lucky huh! Who enforces them? Except the Super bowl please let me know if you got enforced? Fined? Anything? I've been shot at Karened, threatened but never enforced by FAA or fined FAA
shot at?
also you're asking what rules are only on paper and what ones you can break? I've accidentally broken 120m for a second but the fines are crazy sometimes. just follow the rules. it's not that limiting. you can still do a lot of cool stuff without breaking laws trying not to get caught.
So how is it enforced is the question?@@dylancleveland Evidence of enforcement? Example a pilot gets fined by ATC filing an infraction. Pilot gets phone number to call and your busted. No police No court.. Just threat of loosing my pilots license? Super bowl maybe?>
I am a part 107 pilot with a mini 3 pro. It is registered with internal remote id using the 249 gram battery . If I use the larger battery will it still broadcast and will it need another registration?
Yes, the Mini 3 Pro is exempt from anything in this video. It broadcasts RID with either battery, so you're good as a part 107 pilot.
@@PilotInstitute Only if the FW was updated by the owner to broadcast RID after February 2023, or the aircraft was manufactured after September of 2022. Mini 3 Pro was released May 10, 2022 and heavily sold before the Mini 3 was ever conceived! Mini 3 was not released until December 9, 2022, over 7 months later!
its only applicable in United States, but here in our country where i live in Philippines, we dont need to register or ask a permit even if its more than 249 grams, only drones that are 7 kilos above which are larger ones needs to be registered plus it needs a permit or having a license to fly with it, so even large battery with lots of accesories attached shouldnt be any problem
So if you have mini 3,4pro, if you have prop guard, registered, and big battery, can you fly over people as category 2, since they are in declaration of compliance, and over .55 ibs?
Category 2 needs FAA approval. That aircraft doesn’t have approval for cat 2 so no, you can’t.
@@PilotInstitute thanks, it's a little more than confusing. Is there a DJI drone that you would be "legal" to fly over people? The DJI mini 2 with prop guards, and remote I'd would put it over .55 weight 🤷🏼♂️
No DJI drone is currently able to fly over people. The Mini series goes over 250g once you put the required prop guard to qualify for Cat 1.
@@PilotInstitute thanks again for the replies.
Are you able to transit over vehicles?
No, not unless you have a categorized drone.
I feel dumb here, but I'm lost. I have a mini 3 pro and I have both batteries as a recreational pilot. I was under the impression that the Mini 3 pro had a built in transmission system for RID? Why in any case would I need to buy an external RID module?
For the time being you are good, the behavior of the mini3 pro has not changed. No need for you to get an external module. There is some competing conjecture on whether the mini 3 pro might change in the future. The Mini 4 pro firmware was updated in late Dec. The Mini 3 was updated in January. The Mini 3 pro has not been updated. Will it follow suit in late Feb or later? TBD. Always in motion the future is. I would suggest you occasionally, or whenever you accept a new firmware update, check the release notes (DJI Mini 3 Pro product page, Downloads, scroll down) for new set of release notes that have a line item of the form:
" Added support for automatically activating the US Remote ID only when the aircraft is used with an
Intelligent Flight Battery Plus."
@RebelByNature Awesome thanks for the in depth response! So in short all I can hope for is that they leave the M3P out of the whole new firmware regarding RID.
How to I find the remote id number?
What about flying them in countries that require RID for drones weigh more than 100g?
this is only true when operating in the US airspace
It should have just added a button to the controls or app. But let you turn it on and off
I bought the 4pro BECAUSE it was remote ID compliant.
I hope I'm in the return window, I'm not buying a module/more batteries.