How to price/quote a re-wire, Exotic life of an Electrician
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2020
- quoting a rewire up, how i price/ quote a rewire in sections and what to look for,
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Love the new video! Been hammering all yours last couple of weeks
The door at the bottom of the stairs, did they cut the top off with an axe
😂😂 I hadn’t noticed
That's the 1st thing I noticed!
Couldn’t take my eyes off of it
Shocking 🤩
Looked like someone said hold my beer, I'll make it fit!! A cross eyed cat could have cut it straighter. LOL
Welcome back dude, great video 👍
Nice to see you back Nick and hopefully you have been safe and well! 👍 If the previous owner was an electrician it must have been way back when? 😂
Hi from New Zealand! Cheers for the perspective 👍
Great video, as honest and true to life as always. I probably would have thought about a bathroom fan. Old sparks house? Every plumber has a dripping tap.
With the Age of the installation I would be wary of asbestos in the consumer units on the fuse carriers when stripping out.
I personally wouldn't put switched fused spurs on the larger 2.6 -3kw storage heaters as I've seen them burn out get hot because of the load. Best to put a 20 amp double pole switch
Noted 👍 cheers Paul
@@NBundyElectrical no problem, The new lot 20 storage heaters as you are probably aware take 2 supplys if your future proofing
@@NBundyElectrical not just the Consumer units, there`s Artex everywhere and depending on its age Artex can be chock full of Asbestos, chasing through it releases fibres
@@codenamenel so does jointing compound , gen up on asbestos every six months !! LOL
Glad your both doing ok. Hope you get the job it will make a great video ripping that lot out ain’t seen an install that bad for a long time.
Great content! Im a plumbing heating engineer,but enjoy these.
We have missed you xx
Something about sparkies and their own homes comes to mind.
nice and clean place
sounds a fair price and good to see. Guessing you would be in the middle so spot on
My house is a lead incomer and the cut out burned out a while ago. The dno put a pme cut out onto it so I have 3 options now either the braided thing on the lead sheath with the 4 screw terminal block or the neutral terminal on the cut out. Or link them both. Seems an odd way of leaving it but I don’t care as it’s only my house. Excellent videos thanks.
Nice to see you back Nick with Adam. Nice garden but I would gut the house. It has a lot of potential for an older customer I can understand why they are less likely to want to do this:
Nice one Bateman 👍
5.7 Ohms is great for a TT, if it is one. It really ought to have an RCD (or VOELCB in such an ancient setup) fitted if it actually is a TT though! Those strip lights in the garage should be in a museums!
Unless it's in the middle of nowhere and fed overhead it can be converted to a PME supply can't remember how much it costs now although it will require digging up the drive if it's lead incommer get a proper earthbond to put on it (not a pipe bond)
Living on the edge at 17:35 hanging a metal saw next to that 240v live box!
Are you just rewiring like for like, so same number of sockets per room or do you add more ? How do you know how many your going to install or do you ask the customer what they're budget is first and work off that. Cheers
Great video. What are you doing about the garage? I’m thinking of getting back into house bashing myself. Is it necessary to doing a testing course? Something like C&G 2391
Great video, I was thinking about the same price as you. Let’s hope you get the job, as it would make an interesting video or two.
WTF with the door @ 2:00
Nice to have one of your videos to watch again 😀
Worth having a look at JW's vid on cooker circuits as he suggests that 6mm could be over egging it now and 4mm would be fine. Glad to see you back on the road again👍
Thought jw would love all those fuse boxes switchgear and ballasts
2x 4mm radials is a good shout
no you shouldnt 4 mm are good for most of them but a 6mm for future prof the installation , in 10 years if the client wants to buy a stronger cooker he will need a rewire
@@cocoino2307 7360 watts (32amp 4mm cable) should be plenty for any 600mm cooker
@@TheHambletonbiker i disagree , you should always future proof it , if the costumer wants to rebuild the kitchen in 10 years and chooses a big expensive cooker he would need to rewire the whole circuit because the cowboy spark wanted to save 10£ on the cable , I remember wiring a cooker with a 10 mm cable (i dont remember how much it asked but i was for a million dollar house ) , other thing lets say in 10 years the cooker thats there breaks and the guy buys one and it takes 8 9 kw he will either have to buy a new cooker or buy a smaller one
100th person to like ;) great videos as always - very interesting
Sounds about right for a non vat price ,I have to charge vat so I have to make it 20% cheaper than an electrician working from home with not many overheads so you would make more from it than me but luckily I'm normally pricing against other vat companies so normally get the jobs. Alot of new customers dont go with the cheapest but with the middle price so dont make it too cheap. 1 job we had was to change all the lights in 2 blocks of private flats .the cheapest was about £5000 I was £8000 and the 3rd was £12000 and I got the job , with many other jobs after that without any quotes
Never heard of any one else giving a 20% discount coz there vat registered. Personally I wouldn’t entertain that.
Couldn't hold in the laughter with the squeeky door? 🤣
I would of added a combined heat and Co alarm in the lounge and Dining room due to the gas heaters
But what about carpet / furniture fires / smoke? Wouldn't that delay the alarm going off?
The water pipe is being used as the electrode as was the norm many years ago, but for it definitely being a TT , I’d expected there to be a VOELCB at the origin.
I want one of those old ivory wylex consumer unit for my collection
😃🤓
Hi Nick, good to see you again, never thought of running 3c & e for light switches, that would mean that you still run to the ceiling rose? I'm continuing with a rewire tomorrow(Tuesday) and I've got to run the cables in tomorrow so I might try it in this way
Doctor Electric An electrician that hasn't thought / heard of taking a neutral to the switch is a worrying prospect! It's been discussed as good practice for years given the expected rise in home automation.
Hi mate would you not fit mains powered carbon monoxide alarms on your smoke circuit? In the rooms with gas fires and a combined heat and smoke in the kitchen? Aico alarms can transfer stored data straight to your phone through a series of beeps! Should check it out
Cover Nantwich in Cheshire? Need some outdoor lighting done down to some decking, garage lights etc.
Western Power would most likely do free upgrade for cut out, to 80A/!00A fuse, instead current 60A fuse I presume.Have them doing free upgrade here in two weeks. Seen earth rods tarmac over in the past....
Western Power will normally provide a TNS or TNC-S free of charge unlike UK power Networks!
Are you using pricing software if so which one?
Its sad that first impression due to your youthful looks would make people think lack of experience but having watched a few of your videos i am really impressed by your knowledge and approach to your work. You’ve restored my faith in youth of today! I would hire you to work in a jiffy!
Does everyone love loud Exhausts around there? 🤣 But another great vid and topic!
Lol yeah 😂
Welcome to Staffordshire 🤣👍
I don't price much as I'm mostly subby at moment. As you went through the Items I built a figure in my head of where I'd want to be. I thought £4600. Then you said £4565, I wasn't far off with my guestimate ;-)
Hi Nick, enjoy the videos and find them very helpful, just curious does the price include chasing or do you just mark it up for someone else. Thanks
it does
Do you use a dedicated app on the iPad when surveying what’s required or just take notes ?
No just notes at the moment
@@NBundyElectrical Site audit pro is a good app for doing this
That old socket that fed the cooker hood is an old Clock connection socket for an electric clock!
I'd heard that the reason light fittings were put nearer the window is so that the first electric lights mimicked natural daylight. The off centre pendants were definitely a thing from at least the 30s right through to the 60s. In hindsight though I've come across small terraced houses from 1900-1910 both sides of the Pennines where they've asked me to add a central pendant to a dining/living room with only wall lights, and upon taking up the board in the middle of the bedroom there's been a defunct gas pipe centrally
Edit: I'm in Sheffield, similar spec but Crabtree board and only T&E to switches, no VAT, no making good, estimate off the top of my head would be 4-5k. If the switch drops will pull into existing conduit/capping think I'd give the customer the option of surface mounted sockets above the skirting to save on the making good other than the kitchen. If you need to put an earth rod in I'd be lifting one of those flags at the side of the garage I think. Out of interest would you put the board somewhere like 1.2-1.5m from the floor in that cupboard, with maxi trunking up and down?
the lights put near windows so as not to cast a shadow in front of the window while you was in the room
socket outlets have to min 450 to bottom switches max 1200 to top on all new installs gone are the days of sockets on top of skirtings!
With that age of property and installation they used to use the old water pipe as the main earth many years ago. 👍🏼
Just need to install a new earth rod with the rewire. I'm suprised there is not a voltage operated trip that must had been removed. 🙉
Recently got my main fuse changed as I looking at getting an EV and they changed me from TT to TN-S at the same time . Everything thing done free of charge by UK power networks..
Here in Canada that job would easily be $12k CAD. And we for the most part have wood frame walls with drywall or lap and plaster. A lot easier to deal with then the solid plaster / concrete / brick you seem to deal with a lot. Hard to find good honest contractors, glad your town has you to rely on.
How long would a rewire like that take? 3 days? 5 days?
welcome back, dses are doing a sideline in haircuts now give him a bell!
hi guys I thank you for making these videos as they do help a lot but when you are speaking sometimes about what you might be using please slow down as you know what your saying but just be aware that its not all sparks that are watching etc thx
Hi Nick thanks for sharing your video with me and I would like to see more of your videos and why do all electricians need to wear rubber gloves 🧤 and I never wear rubber gloves 🧤 would I have to wear the gloves 🧤
I'd be putting heat and Co combined detectors in the rooms with gas heaters
Check out John Ward's video on cooker circuits. 4mm is sufficient for a 32amp breaker rather than 6mm. 6mm was only used because of the correction factor associated with a 30amp bs3036 fuses. We've all been wasting money on 6mm we didn't need 🤣🤣
That would be dependant on the reference method and length of run in many scenarios .
Hi. I'm in my mid 30's and decided to take full scope electrician course on line with practical. Needed a change of career. It takes about 2 years to complete. I've loved watching your videos to get feel of life as an electrician. One question. With no previous experience in construction, once I'm trained... Where would you suggest looking for work?
What’s the cost for ripping out all the old wiring? Or is that factored into the cost of the new fittings?
Yeah Inc in the cost
@@NBundyElectrical Thanks.
How many mirrors do you have in your house.
Considering the age of the house and assuming low income there are grants to help this fella out
Hi nick. Whose boards are you using to get 19 rcbo’s in that price ??
It'll be Fusebox i would imagine for that price
Al Hughes that would be my guess
Or lewden control gear .
Just an estimate but as I'm vat registered it would be £4800 + vat. That would be a Kent price. London would be 20 to 30 % higher to allow for parking/travel and general London agro.
Zone 1 with street parking restrictions and an hours drive to any suppliers, +50% zone 3 where I am with none of those hassles +10% please.
20-30% for London parking/travel.....good luck with your business model!
Did you get the job? Can we see the finished work?
3 core for switch... Not feed the switch?
I did think of that too but thinking about it, doing it with 3c & e for switch wire would be better wouldn't it?
Also good price mate.
I don’t think I could sleep safely and soundly knowing that my electrics were like that. The idea of non-earth harks back to the days when it was considered that any metal enclosure that was earthed had the potential to be at 240 V in a fault situation.
Been a sparky 4 years and only done 1 rewire 👀 would love to see some footage if you get the job!
Bloody hell. Who are you working for?!
M H just don’t do them 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve only been a sparky for four years as well but I’ve re-wired countless houses bungalows even a new build block of 28 flats🤷🏻♂️
A lot of suppliers no longer offer economy 7 or night storage. If meter replaced that subscription may go and customer left with a redundant fuse board and heaters not working. Maybe timers in consumer unit on rcbos would be better for heaters or change a few heaters, night storage radiators much more expensive to buy than ordinary radiators.
Jane South There are literally dozens, if not hundreds of time of use / economy seven type tariffs available, and I'm not convinced that a meter change would have any impact whatsoever on the customers current deal either. Night storage heaters are a relic from a bygone age I agree, although if they serve an elderly customers needs it's probably more economical to leave them in and just supply them properly and safely- a new future owner will replace them with gas central heating anyway.
I've seen some instagram stories, thought it that bad till I watched this.... oh god... HOW IS THAT HOUSE NOT BURNED DOWN?! How is possible with all power hungry storage heater heating?! 😱😱😱
Regarding tiled wall in the kitchen, could you be able to feed cable on other side of the wall into socket? Or routed elsewhere out of sight?
We have safe zones where we can run buried cables, professional-electrician.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/021_PE_DEC17-copy.jpg
You cant run cables on the back side of the walls unless you can see the accessory from the other side of the wall
@@codenamenel Speaking under correction shouldn't anything outside of zones should be done in metal capping or piping?
@@TheHambletonbiker metal capping isn't the required thickness for mechanical protection from penetration. You could potentially use metal conduit as long as it was properly installed, but thats a much bigger ball ache than removing a few tiles etc
at 23:00 those big closets sometimes they have a socket inside
so did you end up getting the job?
But where did you twos get your lockdown haircuts from?! 😜😂
£281.02 for a PME includes an isolator though
Looks like pilc cable ? Can see lead plumb but can't see earth that is normally connected . Ask your dno for a reading directly to the lead and if all ok provide a 16mm earth
19:24 wait I recognize that walk...
Nice vid think that price is a little cheap I'd be putting in a buffer of about 500 in case your there a extra day or so 👍
Some nice old fluorescent fittings in that house someone would pay decent for them
where was this video filmied what area due to i recognise the accent and i think your local
Stafford bud
Where are you based?
Leaving roughly 3grand labour/profit on that mate? How long do you reckon it’ll take you and Adam? Also is it lived in?... good luck to ya, you seem a grafter and a good lad!
Cheers
Storage heaters have dp switches on the off peak supply, do they not? Wired some recently. Fused spurs arent meant for sustained high power tasks like storage heating, dp switches are better suited. Also some storage heaters have 3.6kw elements.
Also why storage heaters and gas?!
I was thinking why storage heaters when there is a gas boiler.
With the switched fused spurs for double pole switches I agree I've seen plenty spurs with the fuse carrier welded in and over heat marks on the back because of the thermal effects of the load current on 2.6 and 3kw Storage heaters
Ceiling light fixtures hanging from their power cords ? Electrical devices in the shower ? U.K. houses seem to be very dangerous.
Pendant light fittings are designed to be that way & are used all over the world. The only electrical device in the shower is the shower unit itself... again nothing unusual in that, the heater that was in the bathroom was powered from outside the room using an extension lead & isn't normal.
British Electrical standards are one of the best. I’ve worked in many countries and can tell you it’s better than the US NEC and Australia’s AS/NZS. What you’ve seen here is the bottom of the barrel
Farmer Dave ceiling fixtures are designed to support a 5kg load, they are used all over the planet. Obviously heavier fittings use a chains onto a hooked rose. As previously mentioned the U.K. has some of the strictest regulations and safest standards in the world.
They put the bedroom light close to the window to stop your shadow going on the curtains when your undressing.....👀👌
I paused too soon, you know it..🥴
and Shagging
So when was this time when people didn't have curtains? I don't remember that.
What was the price/quote ? Didn't catch it, the captioning is a bit messy.
11:40 ..........i think its just "greased shut" lol
wow those olde BC ended fluros...
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What hourly rate we should all be charging not London/ Inner city of course which all are more !
Lived in rewire just finished 3rd and last one never again
Yep, I don’t do them either, far too much agg
I did a two year stint of lived in rewires, got two weeks for the average house, included plastering up all chases, used to take 8 working days on average, got in such an easy routine that I quite liked doing them
Damn. I’m a electrician in germany. And the difference is insane. The fuse box in the beginning ng looks like a mess. Is it normal like that?
NO!!! I don't think so! 😂 It's soooo old, this is first time I've seen entire wiring in this such state! I am amazed how that house has not burned down, with all that power hungry storage heater heating! 😱😬
Ali Salih Yes you are so right. I was shocked for a second that this is normal in the US. I mean I know that it is a bit different. But damn that’s dangerous 😂
It both is & isn't normal. Modern installs are much better (or should be!), but older ones have tended to be adapted over the years hence why there's so many fuse boards. Up until 2005 it was common for householders and unqualified persons to have a go at wiring, but in 2005 it came under the building regulations so most electrical works now require a sign off from a registered electrician.
@@jeanhomuth6376 Not sure if that was typo or something, we are actually based in the UK. I was actually shocked and amazed as more and more he show around the house, the more dangerous it get! 😬
@@farmersteve129 Yeah I agree, I can see it been adapted / added over the time until it form into a major clusterf*ck! It's so bad and I am amazed 😳
Hopefully that gas water heater in the bathroom is not working any more..that's realy dangerous.
Here in Portugal there used to be many like that, but it's been made illegal several years ago.
It's funny to see how different things are even between european countries. I've remodeled an old 1960's house and the wiring was terrible..everything running on 1mm2 cable, on just one circuit without any earth..
The "only safety feature" is that we run much lower amps to the houses here..most people have the basic tariff which limits the available power to 15amps..limiting the possibility of those wires melting..
Price seems fair. Be interesting to know what you expect materials / time split to be. I would guess something like £700 and 7 days ? And you would expect the 2 of you can do it in less than 7 but have to price that as there will surely be some challenges given the way that place looks to have been built and maintained.
Ha ha. You're having a laugh.
10 days at least.
Hmm not a bad price at all I was thinking 4K plus vat from me 👍 well done on the run though good for clients to see and take note on what’s involved
For Stafford you need to add 10% to your prices as your a bit cheap.
Looks a nightmare job, I always warn the customer of the problems ,like you did ,but I would have mentioned any surface trunking that was needed,price sounds ok with me.good luck .
Where have you been? Hiding
In a food coma by the looks of things 😞
No enough free stuff for him to flog 😉
Great video, possibly don't go down the road of commenting/showing a customers hygiene habits.. Remember they are paying you. 👍
agreed.
I 3rd that.
They may even see this video. 😂
Yeah I meant to edit this bit out 🤭
Hmmm Laptop on the bed - nice touch
Take note you young lads fresh out of college there are thousands of properties still wired like this all over the UK. They look modern on the outside new windows roof plumbing etc but 1950`s electrical systems
acespark1 You see this a lot if you are house hunting, particularly here in London. Any old house that has been "recently renovated" needs very careful attention- many amateur "property developers" think nothing of installing new kitchens, bathrooms and flooring throughout without ever bothering to check the wiring. I have seen countless properties that look fantastic, only to find that most of the new kit needs to be ripped out to get to the sixty year old wiring beneath and replace it. There are tens of thousands of houses still out there with ancient four way Bakelite Wylex boards from the 1940's still powering the entire house.
Is this DSES old house 😂
He should at least be offered a low cost simple board change with one plug until can spend more and run things on extension lead as that installation will fail shortly leaving completely cut off.
Jane South Running everything on extension leads is a recipe for disaster. If the homeowner doesn't trip and break their neck in the first week, they will end up burning the house down through overloading.
Any Sussex electricians on here? I need one!
i would of said 5.5K + vat , as you said we are all different, lifting carpets , relaying, furniture moving , now i know why i enjoy commercial install , + theres more money in commerical, i just feel for all the hard graft in domestic the reward is very little, just my opinion , but good luck
Can earn really good money in domestics aswell, hes charging over 4k for about a week and half weeks work.
Commercial tends to be hourly rate most of the time and if its jib rates its shit.
I wouldnt choose to go into domestics myself, but these lads on youtube get some good jobs and will get decent money for them.
Honi soit qui mal y pense good luck doing that in a week and a half !! There’s a grand in materials also . Horrible job being occupied also I’d walk away - no actually run !
@@honisoitquimalypense1316 i assume you dont do commerical , its hardly ever hourly rate, nomally its priced, 1 prefer 3 phase , panel works, personally domestic is for apprentices and basic sparks , apart from good route planning, and neatness theres no hardship of design expertise involved , mainly rule of thumb , plus a lot less money , we do alot of school, church , office works and believe me you earn more on commerical than domestic
@@pault4793 I worked commercial for many years, admittedly mostly cards in though, but even self employed it was hourly rate, i worked on stadiums, schools, hospitals, offices etc which was hourly rate, even worked at the bae systems aswell which was hourly rate, my mate works on the power plants which is hourly rate, i know lads on the rigs which is hourly rate, ive very rarely come across electricians who do price work, dont get me wrong its good that you've managed to work price all the time but from my experience and from people I know price work is rare.
I was simply pointing out that domestics can earn good money and I have no doubt these youtubers do pretty well, domestics are not something I would like to go into myself (foreigners are enough)
@@Marco-mg9tv even if it was 2 weeks and 1k on materials, its still around 1.5k per week which isnt bad really.
i'm so far behind, catching up...
I would recommend 10mm for shower
Good fair price. I was thinking around 6k