Bay Areas First Electric Garbage Truck - BYD Curbtender HammerPak
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2018
- I'm in no way, shape, or form endorsed by GreenWaste of Palo Alto, Curbtender, or BYD
First off I have to say WOW! After seeing this truck in person man do I have a different view and opinion on it. This combo is fairly new so i'll quickly go over it. Here is a BYD (Build Your Dreams) ALL electric class 8 truck paired with a Curbtender (and yes it says Wayne on the hopper shield) HammerPak. To my knowledge this is the first video of a HammerPak on YT so that just shows how few of these are out on the road. Yes there are pro's and con's but damn it looks good paired with the BYD cab. Probably your first question is can it finish a whole route? well...no. From the time I found it to when it left for the transfer station it was roughly 3 hours. The driver switches trucks after about that 3 hour period and continues to finish his assigned route. Now the driver that drove out the replacement truck drives the truck and dumps. Man this truck is quite to especially when the PTO cuts out after about a minute of idling. I have to say the side PTO really reminds me of old 50’s trucks and I like it. I really hate writing descriptions so i’ll leave it at that if you have any questions comment them down bellow. Here's a few links that hopefully and helpful in answering some of your questions
Link from BYD-www.byd.com/news/news-396.html
Spec sheet (speed, range, ect.)-goo.gl/iJQ6Lb
Curbtender HammerPak-curbtender.com/products/hamme... - Авто та транспорт
The vehicle drive train might be minimal noise but that large hydraulic power unit is rather loud. Better than diesel with a pump drive on the PTO. However, still sounds in the 75-85 decibel range. What they can do is have an oil submerged motor-pump group in the reservoir with a boat load of sound-proofing around it. Instead of an axial piston pump (presumably with Load Sensing), they could use a radial piston pump and dampening silencers on the discharge lines. Use oversized proportional valves for the various actuators to reduce squealing. They definitely need to do something about those arms. They're a little klugey and need to try and dampen all of the pinch points and reduce the mechanical resonance.
But, that mother fucker sounds good when it accelerates. Those EV sounds really amazing on acceleration. Very futuristic
Thank you for the great video! This is our all-electric full-size refuse truck, and it’s the first one in the US! GreenWaste of Palo Alto is very proud to test this prototype, and collects data on its range and performance to help improve the design for future electric vehicles. Currently EV-1 takes about 2.5 hours to charge fully and has a range up to 60 miles, and we can’t wait to see how much better they can get!
I told Its Nissan Curbtender HammerPak
this truck sucks
well well! never knew about this being the FIRST EVER electric truck!
Man this is AWESOME! Thanks for filming this! The arm could definitely use some work, as Mike said. Could thicken the metal up a bit or something. The arm kinda looks like a modern version of the McNeilus AFE arm. It would cool to see these popping up around the country, it always is cool to see new trucks tho. Nice vid! Glad you got this.
Wow talk about quiet! Glad you found this, been excited to see it. I must say it looks pretty good overall. Cool to see that there is a pendulum packer in this truck. Awesome find!
I’m glad you got this new truck on video Nick! I’ve been very interested to see and hear it in operation. I know everyone is saying the arm is too flimsy, but I think we all need to remember, the arm only needs to be strong enough to pick up the heaviest cart it has to service. Also, if the arm was made out of heavier gauge steel, it would take a lot more electricity to run its operations, and would make the battery run down much quicker. If this was to happen, it would not allow this truck to be a viable acquisition for companies to put on route. As we can see now, the battery only lasted like 3 hours, from what you say, and if the arm was beefier, it would most likely only last half that time, and no company would buy the truck. Other than that, awesome video and damn glad you caught this innovation on film!
Glad to see one of these ones filmed
This is quite a good video! It was very neat to see this truck in action in the first long format video of this truck. From going out in person, this truck is very interesting in its design and you did an excellent job in focusing on the arm, which was thing I was most curious about. Nonetheless, excellent work.
Wow this is one hell of an awesome truck! bloody cool how its all electric! great video!
Well I have been wanting to see this thing in action ever since I saw a pic on insta. Really nice job. Im really glad it was on Garbage too, as there was a much better cart variety. It’s funny, BYD Looks just like a Peterbilt, and the arm operates just like an AFE. Really enjoyed this vid. Nice job
Great catch! It's cool to see an electric ASL collecting, I just wish they'd speed up the arm so it can flip lids.
Damn Wayne back at it again with electric trucks huh?? Great video Nick this truck was like a combination between a bunch of things LOL though it sounded weird as hell ha ha I really enjoyed the video and hope to see more in the future!
Wow... not long ago I saw that mini New Way electric RL and now I'm seeing this full electric ASL! First of all the truck doesn't look too bad, pretty nice design/shape overall :D Cool to see a pendulum type packer - appreciated the hopper cam shot, because the top-mounted pack cylinder threw me off from street level. Looks and sounds like the hydraulic system is run by a separate motor to that of the truck - can see the pump beside the lifter with the adjoining box compartment, then there's that distinct starting sound as it powers up. During lifter cycles, the sound reminds me of a stationary compactor at a shopping centre, got that real intense electric whine to it... then the truck itself has that smooth and soft battery noise which reminds me of a train haha Definitely looks like there has been some Aussie influence with the lifter at least, maybe the packer/hopper set-up was also adopted from down under? Lifter needs some beefing up for sure, but seems like it's already being worked according to other comments. Interested to see where all this ends up in future, definitely intriguing and the start of something big... always going to be a loud grumbling diesel fan but :P Get the impression battery duration and torque power are a couple of big issues with electric trucks... bring on those bolts of lightning during stormy weather! lol
In 2008 Automators were retired, 10 years later they come with this...
RGV Sanitation yooo why’d it take so long to see the resemblance 😂. All it needs is the BFI paint job and 1990’s Diesel Chassis
Looks awesome
We recently partnered with BYD to make a short video providing some of the technical details like range and battery capacity of this exciting vehicle. Check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/XtVMXACxxqQ/v-deo.html
This great for when you're trying to sleep in the morning but terrible when you're putting trash out in the morning
sounds like the bat mobile driving away
Pretty cool design, has a lot of potential but needs a lot of work, primarily in beefing up that twig arm. Id like to see them change the geometry of the leveling too. Would be ideal for the arm to stay perfectly level until at least 4 ft off the ground. Looks like it begins tipping almost immediately. Looks good for haulers primarily using small carts. Boxes and other bulky stuff would probably jam up in the hopper with how small that opening appears in the hopper shot you got. Gripper speed should be slowed too, but more importantly the upper finger on the tri-grip could just be removed. That gripper is so much heavier than the single side that its whats causing the arm to twist so badly.
Super glad you found this and got a video of its earliest staged. Definitely enjoyed it and truly hope they feel its worth investing in and dont abandon it like damn near everyone else has with this general arm design. The body looks awesome too and even the cab is pretty nice on the eyes. Not sure how I feel about electric but I wont have much say on the matter in years to come when theyll probably be required by law. Also worth noting that I didnt expect it to have such a good grip on the little pencil thin IPLs.
3amrepmike3 if they could work out the right side of the arm being significantly heavier then I could see the twiggieness be less of an issue, but it would still need a lil beefing.
Just needs better shock absorbing. Maybe gentler hydraulics.
Great for regenerative braking... Thanks for sharing
Hey my man this one is a perfect performance of the electronic truck arm clif but this one it's a really good for the garbage shift and that is a very good and yet you'll see how much the 2:30 trash and that is a fantastic job my friend be Bless God bless you and God bless your family and friends as well God bless the United States of America California and I just wanted to make sure that r you ok since really good job Mr blister
While the media & public go "gaga" over Teslas, the real thing that would change the environment for the better is EV public service vehicles - specifically public services & transit. CA has electric trolley buses, but imagine if the city switches from all diesels to electric buses + electric garbage collection. That will make a greater impact for the 10% of the people who switches from a V8 luxury car to an electric Tesla.
WOW! Chassis has a Peterbilt vibe but not a fan of it... Body/Arm are cool, has somewhat of an Aussie vibe. I really like those grippers too. Excellent video no doubt!
Awsome! All Trucks should be electric!
Awesome video man the arm may need some improvement but other than that this truck sounds neat when driving pretty neat designed truck other than the arm being all wobbly had some container issues as well but neat truck nun the less how many of these trucks they got ? Great Video bro
I'm very glad one of you Bay Area guys finally got videos of this thing! It's a pretty neat product overall. It has it's flaws ABSOLUTELY. Especially that wiggly, shake and bake arm it's rocking. It's like the everything I loathed about the Autoreach and much much worse! I do dig that BYD and the pendulum packer, very smart. While I'm a huge advocate of alternative energy commercial vehicles, I just wished they could figure out a way to extend the range on them and eliminate the need for traditional brakes and drive line systems.
MrBillT Friction brake is still needed as last resort. The regenerate system can be tuned to be stronger, but it's brake affect is also diminished as speed decrease so the last few kli. need friction brake as well.
Oh I'm sure that's the only way to get a commercial electric vehicle to last at all. I've talked to a few guys driving the Frito-Lays electric trucks and they've told me that those trucks wouldn't last more than an hour at most without the regenerative brakes. What I'm referring to is having a hydraulic/air braking system at all. It's nothing but dead weight, and an added complication to an electric system. It should be electro-magnetic brakes and direct hub drive. No need for any of the legacy drive systems... But I suspect DOT has something to say about that.
MrBillT just fyi, traction brake as you mention the electric mag, brake is pretty power hunger as well. It has been used by electric train (local motor and emu) It is more or less reversing the polarity of the stator but introducing a surge current. It's affect diminish along with the speed decrease as well, but it provides much greater brake force compare to regen system. And you are right, I am sure DOT will likely not very appreciate the idea of having one system handling both traction and brake without redundancy. And I am pretty sure those lawyers are going ape shit even if someone manage to got a DOT approval no friction brake design.
Good point. Perhaps the technology isn't quite there yet for mag-elec brakes on a mobile unit like a commercial truck. But every day we get closer to it.
Great video Nick! Really enjoyed truck because of how odd it is. Does it have a joystick, or does it have Amrep type finger controls?
Wow is right! That's one unique looking truck! I've never even heard of the HammerPak but it reminds me of garbage trucks in Australia and the Pendpak with the hopper packer. Do you know how long it takes to recharge and is this the only one they have? It wouldn't surprise me if in the next few years that Recology is running the BYD chassis in San Francisco.
Nice truck wane has made some cool trucks it almost looks like an truck from Australia
This truck reminds me of the old BFI McNeilus Automators, Electric trucks need more R&D in my opinion before they start making them for more diverse uses, I had electric buses in my area when I was younger and the charge on the batteries would run out on route.
MetroBoston Trash Trucks oh trust me worse is an eletric train that breaks down on a level crossing bc the power goes out. We in south aust have two eletric buses im aware of I never been on one but on a hot day it would be shit for one
Heat and eletric engines dont go well
No a/c bcof lack of power supply
And finally it is average speed but if it breaks downur fucked till the mechanic comes with a couple new batteries
you hit the money shot with that hopper can clip. The arm speed is great, very interesting to see it powered by the rotary actuator as opposed to the cylinders that we’re used to seeing. The tailgate is meh. I guess lack plastic light bars go well with a cab that’s also loaded with plastic but it’s still ugly. As mike said the hopper is awfully small, so they might need to open that space up if they want to sell these outside of cities where 20-30 gallon trash carts are extremely common.
I support the development of electric vehicles and hope that they’ll take off someday, but there’s no excuse for a 3 hour battery life. Until the scientists work that out I don’t expect to see these cabs outside of experimental demos like this one. Needless to say that’s great news for fans of traditional fuels.
Keep in mind the 3 hour battery life was on a prototype unit which has only about 60% the battery capacity of the planned production units. This particular unit also had to travel about 15 miles to get on route, which is where a lot of the battery loss occurs. Battery density is increasing really fast, but in the near term customers using electric are going to need to use them closer to transfer stations so they can stay on route longer and capitalize on the regenerative braking. The technology is developing very fast though, and we're really excited to be building electric garbage trucks!
Regards,
Mark Watje
President/Owner
Curbtender, Inc.
Nice electric sound.
What about the sound from distance for pedestrians?
Sounds similar to the Peterbilt 520 the city has although its diesel. Even though this one’s electric it sound like a diesel accelerating.
At first I thought this was filmed in Europe!
Ha Ha definitely could be mistaken.
I thought the electric vehicle s werent on the road onto 2020
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Byd is stupid and they are junk sell your piece of garbage in Asia don't sell it in america we prefer peterbilt or autocar if they made an electric ones....
god the squeaky arm drives me crazy
Can anybody tell what is the range ?
5:20 Is it just me or that that car is following the truck because he never seen a truck like that before
arm wobbly as anything, other than that, smexy
Wow that arm is shit. The Australians have already perfected it, how hard can cribbing them be? JJ Richard's version being my personal favorite. With it's linkage arrangement and hydraulic cylinders rather than rotary actuator, a robust and inexpensive design. Figures the people who actually run the damn things build the best ones. Granted this is an early model, but I really hope Curbtender Inc. recognizes it as a prototype needing a shitload of improvment and refinement. Otherwise I don't have much hope for the new Wayne Engineering. Their stupid articulated arm front loader doesn't exactly seem promising either.
As for the electric power, I love a roaring diesel just as much as any enthusiast but a quieter truck is much less fatiguing. And makes for happier customers. I can't find any actual information on how the powertrain is setup. Do they really use a PTO off the main drive? A seperate smaller electric motor would make a lot more sense. Save weight and complexity with fewer mechanical components. Then you could do away with any sort of load sensing hydraulics, instead controlling flow with the dedicated electric motor. Again a weight savings / simplification. The torque characteristics of an electric motor make them perfect for the stop-start-iest application of all, refuse collection. Battery technology still has a looooooooong way to go to achieve the required range and low aquisition cost to the hauler to become viable. My money would be on an internal combustion-electric setup like a modern locomotive. A nice lightweight turbine is promising for weight sensitive trucking. And simple for cost concious trucking. And bad ass as fuck for all the long nose Pete super truckers. And much more easily implemented.
Nice catch. Something uniqe, cool to watch, and thought provoking.
Good guess, it does have a Aux. motor to power the hydraulic system.
Hey George! This body and arm was designed specifically for electric trucks. It weighs about 4,000 lbs less than a traditional unit and has far less energy consumption due to its hydraulic design. We're beefing up the arm quite a bit from what you're seeing in the video as well as a result of beta units we've had in the field for multiple years and a arm doing a million cycle test on a bench stand right now. The idea with this arm is that it is extremely simple to maintain, light weight, and cost effective. We still offer our traditional "Power Arm" for most customers and it can be mounted on any of our automated body styles.
We're good friends with the Aussies and have their arm style in our testing and development. Likely to be an option in the near future.
The articulated arm front loader is called the Titanium and it is designed for very specific applications- people who want a conventional cab chassis. It allows a $50,000 lower price tag. Right now the arm is rated for 4,000lb but we are coming out with a 6,000lb rating soon. The Titanium can also be sold with a traditional one piece arm that works in conjunction with a Cabover chassis and had 8,000lb arm ratings. The body weighs thousands of pounds less than a traditional front loader (even in 40yd configuration) and has a built in sump for organics collection.
Electric is further along than you think! This prototype unit has only about 60% of the battery capacity BYD plans on using for its production model. Meaning a full day's route won't be a problem for OEM's like Curbtender that designed lighter weight bodies with less power consumption.
Regards,
Mark Watje
President/Owner
This makes me feel like China
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You get a chance to ask the driver how he likes it?
Driver told me he likes it more than the Peterbilt 320
I believe it. I'm fortunate enough to where I drive a tesla model s for my commute, and the closest thing I can compare it to is a golf cart, a really powerful golf cart.
What collects recycling
I kinda don’t like this truck I like this truck but if they change all the trucks to electric I would miss the McNeilus Zr and the McNeilus M/A in Daly City and all trucks in there
Ugh, it's just as loud as a regular truck. My biggest problem is that the trucks are so loud.
Why the truck is rhd?
Mail trucks are also rhd. That makes it easier to operate the clamp.
I don't know what's worse this arm or a Bridgeport arm
Depends on what maintenance you do
It's cool but you still, need to charge the battreus8so there's still a carbon foot print.
In a brief summary no. If its charged by a renewable source it definitely lowers the impact but the infrastructure for that renewable source probably has a nice footprint
Still a FAR better option than gas, irregardless of your carbon footprint.
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Packer system sucks just like the mcneilus zr and the arm does to . I wanna see him do single family recycle in that truck especialy after Christmas.. labrie automizer #1 in my opinion!
Francisco Aguilar Labrie hopper cant keep up on some of my routes. But it is the best ASL Ive operated yet
Wobbly arm can be fixed.
That arm needs some grease.
Still loud AF
#Electric waste trucks save tens of thousands apiece per year too! 💰
And still loud as fuck lol. Leave it to industrial companies to figure out how to take a silent vehicle and make it loud. The brakes are squealing, the hydraulic arms sound like leaking turbines, and the truck has poor fit and finish with all that metal banging around. 🤦🏻♂️
Looks kinda dumb not practical.