GW is a publicly traded company so their goal is only money. Same with Amazon. The 40K series is not for 40k fans. It will be an attempt by both companies to make as much cash as possible. Cavil has more fans than 40K I’m sure. So if Amazon and GW can attract them they won’t care about the 40K fanbase. The current political and social environment is all about destruction. Now it’s made it to our hobby.
"If you do not build a show for the fans you will lose them, if you lose the fans you get negative reviews and the show dies. If you build for the fans then they get excited and others will want to see why." THAT is what is being said at Amazon. Now beyond that I know nothing. But that I know
@@craigjones7343 The fact that you need to ask this means you honestly don't have a clue. Fallout has plenty of diversity in male and female, as well as various colors of skin and sexuality. Warhammer is not that. Warhammer has planets that exist solely to be mined dry, with populations that only exist to work, pray, eat a bit and prepare for the next day, if they don't get handed a shovel and a pistol and get forced to fight on the front lines of some war or another. People don't have time to tell their superior that they are highly sensitive or have different political views. They get shot in the fucking head for keeping up the line, and no one bats an eye. That's Warhammer. There is only war in that future. What Amazon wants to see if Wokehammer, which is why they are changing things around.
I remember saying when I first heard about this, the only way this works is if Henry has the final say over what happens. Amazon is the Platform it appears on, and the wallet providing backing, everything else needs to be under Henry's stamp of approval, where if he's not happy he can walk away and they get nothing because HE would have the rights to the series, not Amazon. That's the only way it's going to come to any manner of worthwhile fruition is if Amazon sits back, writes the checks and Lets him make the thing. It doesn't sound like the Rights to the property were arranged that way though? If his walking away leaves it to Amazon then I don't imagine it could be. Which is a pity because that means this show is pretty much doomed before it's gotten past the start line.
As soon as IP's are getting into the hobby, the big money starts to get into the hobby, and with them comes the influx of those who are not into games, but into IP's and the drama follows.
Henry literally had to stop the witcher interview to talk about how the chandelier in the interview room looks like a blackstone fortress. This man knows his stuff
I fucking hate this Nyrion guy for that. Watched one of his rings of power videos way back when that was released and in that AT LEAST it was based on some kind of facts, even if it still was just him shitting his pants about made up "wokeism". I also didn't really like RoP but it wasn't bad because of some kind of "wokeism", whatever that means. Not a single person I've come across could believably explain to me what that word means. It's a culture war perpetuated solely by the alt-right. All of these videos about the warhammer situation are literally fanfiction and ragebait. He's a pathetic loser.
@@tablesaltgames That's a bit silly. Firstly "what Amazon did" is contested and up for debate. A lot of people thought it was either ok or good. And secondly, it is unlikely that any of the same people from RoP will be involved in Warhammer stuff. Amazon is funding it, not writing scripts.
i don't see anything wrong with female custodies, they've had old female space marine models. the lore is what the fans make it, the lore is open for that. My Rogue Trader wears cowboy hats and has aztec space lizards and dwarves in his entourage.
The lore is what the fans make it, yes, not what's forced on us. A random guy somewhere turning Sisters of Battle into Brothers of Battle is perfectly fine, it's their hobby, but it doesn't need to be added to the actual lore. The all-male part of marines had been a part of the lore for so long, and is so ingrained, that suddently changing that also changes the thing we've loved. Some will be ok with such changes, other will no longer recognize what the fell in love with. The primaris marines were similar moment; suddenly marines were rolling from a production line instead of being incredibly hard to recruit and create. To me female marines take away from the idea that marines are the best of the best. The best physical specimen of humankind will always be men, no exceptions. Yes there are women out there stronger then me personally, but I'd also never be marine. It's extremely exclusive. "But it's a setting with monsters, who cares about realism". It's also a setting with gravity, mortality, and other basic concepts. You can't just ignore everything from the real world, you have to pick and choose which exceptions exist in your fantasy world. With no rules, there's no drama possible. The only counterargument I can think of, as I don't know biology in depth, might be that girls and boys in their pre-teens a phyisically mostly identical, so with hormones and such you might get the same outcome regardless of gender. But if you go that route, would the girl marines look anything like women, or just become men/trans (aside from the dong)? Anyway, quite a rant.
All that BlackRock DEI money and meddling. Sororitas, Inquisition, and Imperial Guard are already excellent and interesting avenues for female representation.
Knights as well. You want noble lines? You want Custodes but with less models and even simpler? Want to be an absolute princess/queen on the board? Play Knights!
Blackrock was one of their first investors. And the addition came from the CUSTODES CODEX. Why would they focus on guard or sisters of battle in the Custodes codex?
@@justaguyperson Because there are plenty of avenues for good female representation in those other factions without having to change the lore of Custodes (or potentially Space Marines). That’s one of the topics this video is discussing, hence the relevance. BlackRock is BlackRock. DEI is their agenda, whether five years ago or today.
@@justaguyperson BlackRock today is BlackRock today. I’m not understanding your point about how long they’ve been around. I don’t see the relevance. Also, I’d encourage you to watch the numerous videos out there analyzing and discussing how the lore WAS changed, as it has been represented as “sons” and “brotherhood” for 30 years until the new codex. But if you like female Custodes in your army, by all means model them that way, as it’s your army. I could certainly understand cool hobby opportunities it can offer.
if your channel depends on warhammer and they give you free models and preview stuff to build and paint, your not gonna bite the hand that's feeding you. most content creators are scared to say the truth. or they actually want feminism to destroy the game.
None of the channels that play the game will say a word, as GW will blackball them and they won't get to playtest and get free things months in advance.
@@tablesaltgames I agree, its why you don't mix work with your hobbies when you are dependent on appeasing a fickle master. No one gets free things from a company without a price.
Tabletop Content Creators Are Afraid To Call Out GamesWorkshop And Amazon because they want free stuff from them Its as simple as that because those who dont want free stuff talk about it a lot
Let's be quite frank: You don't know anything. There has been very little released. I work with partners in the industry and I know very little. What I do know is the discussions that came out of Rings of Power and it was this: If you do not build a show for the fans you will lose them, if you lose the fans you get negative reviews and the show dies. If you build for the fans then they get excited and others will want to see why. THAT is what is being said at Amazon. Now beyond that I know nothing. But that I know
Here is the thing that the people opposing female Adeptus Custodes don't understand. For purposes of this issue: The lore doesn't matter. Your nostalgia doesn't matter. Existing female representation doesn't matter. There is only one thing that matters and when you understand it, you understand that female Custodes and Space Marines must exist. It is this; Custodes and Space Marines must be inclusive because they are described as being the best of the best of the human race. Whats more, Space Marines are the face of 40K. If you say women can't be a part of the best of the best, than you are saying women are inherently inferior to men. Thats the shameful 40 year old message they wrote into their lore. That message is not only untrue; it is abhorrent to any fair minded person. 40K has existed with this implicit statement as part of it's IP so far because it is not even a blip on the average person's radar. But things are changing. Games Workshop and Warhammer 40k are entering larger spheres. They must fix this problem in the lore if they are going to be accepted in those spheres. Games workshop knows this. Amazon knows this. Female Custodes are here. Female Space Marines are coming. This holds true for BIPOC & LGBTQ+ representation as well. You can't tell people they are lesser because they aren't white males. It's not true and it's not right.
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I'd be more interested by 5 more minutes of Astartes than by a 8 hour W40k trilogy powered by Disney
GW is a publicly traded company so their goal is only money. Same with Amazon.
The 40K series is not for 40k fans. It will be an attempt by both companies to make as much cash as possible.
Cavil has more fans than 40K I’m sure. So if Amazon and GW can attract them they won’t care about the 40K fanbase.
The current political and social environment is all about destruction. Now it’s made it to our hobby.
All commercial products are created to make money. If you thing anything is not made to make money you are a moron.
"If you do not build a show for the fans you will lose them, if you lose the fans you get negative reviews and the show dies. If you build for the fans then they get excited and others will want to see why." THAT is what is being said at Amazon. Now beyond that I know nothing. But that I know
@@gingedss you have more faith than me. I hope you’re right.
Heretics, the whole lot of them lol
100% Amazon will do to 40k what they did to LOTRs.
Make a great series?
@@xLAZY666 Nice bait, troll.
@@xLAZY666 xd
They did not go it to Fallout. How do you explain that?
@@craigjones7343 The fact that you need to ask this means you honestly don't have a clue. Fallout has plenty of diversity in male and female, as well as various colors of skin and sexuality.
Warhammer is not that. Warhammer has planets that exist solely to be mined dry, with populations that only exist to work, pray, eat a bit and prepare for the next day, if they don't get handed a shovel and a pistol and get forced to fight on the front lines of some war or another.
People don't have time to tell their superior that they are highly sensitive or have different political views. They get shot in the fucking head for keeping up the line, and no one bats an eye. That's Warhammer. There is only war in that future.
What Amazon wants to see if Wokehammer, which is why they are changing things around.
"privy to that information," is the correct phrase.
I couldn’t not get it out 🤦🏾♂️. My wife called me out on it too. Lol
I remember saying when I first heard about this, the only way this works is if Henry has the final say over what happens. Amazon is the Platform it appears on, and the wallet providing backing, everything else needs to be under Henry's stamp of approval, where if he's not happy he can walk away and they get nothing because HE would have the rights to the series, not Amazon. That's the only way it's going to come to any manner of worthwhile fruition is if Amazon sits back, writes the checks and Lets him make the thing. It doesn't sound like the Rights to the property were arranged that way though? If his walking away leaves it to Amazon then I don't imagine it could be. Which is a pity because that means this show is pretty much doomed before it's gotten past the start line.
I agree with you 100%
This is why the only GW product I play is Battlefleet Gothic. Its a dead game but has a loyal following, so GW shenanigans can't screw it up.
Mordheim would like to know your location.
Don’t forget about LotR MSBG. One of the best games GW has ever done in my humble opinion.
Ok that’s nonsense, there’s plenty of Warhammer content creators that call out GW, they just also happen to either be super racist or full of shit
The most they’ll say is, they don’t like a particular sculpt or complain about a price hike. And the bigger channels won’t even to go there.
Source: trust me bro
All these scoop videos souce a reddit post that said they lmow cuz their uncle works for nintendo. It was a troll.
As soon as IP's are getting into the hobby, the big money starts to get into the hobby, and with them comes the influx of those who are not into games, but into IP's and the drama follows.
Facts
Henry literally had to stop the witcher interview to talk about how the chandelier in the interview room looks like a blackstone fortress. This man knows his stuff
The industry needs to let him cook (as the kids say lol)
The Rings of Power sucks more than a Dyson in a tornado and Amazon is going to screw over 40K as well
It’s times like this I’m happy Conan isn’t being considered for a remake. 😅
The only people talking about this are the ragebait creators, there's no evidence of any of this outside of these peoples videos.
I fucking hate this Nyrion guy for that. Watched one of his rings of power videos way back when that was released and in that AT LEAST it was based on some kind of facts, even if it still was just him shitting his pants about made up "wokeism". I also didn't really like RoP but it wasn't bad because of some kind of "wokeism", whatever that means. Not a single person I've come across could believably explain to me what that word means. It's a culture war perpetuated solely by the alt-right.
All of these videos about the warhammer situation are literally fanfiction and ragebait. He's a pathetic loser.
We’ll see where the chips fall soon enough.
Is there a source for any of this, or just some made-up nonsense rumours for bias-confirming clickbait?
There's no credible evidence for any of it.
@@dmchodge No. That doesn't seem to stop people constructing their own in-depth takes on it though!
Given what Amazon did to Rings of Power, I’d say the rumors have some merit.
@@tablesaltgames That's a bit silly. Firstly "what Amazon did" is contested and up for debate. A lot of people thought it was either ok or good. And secondly, it is unlikely that any of the same people from RoP will be involved in Warhammer stuff. Amazon is funding it, not writing scripts.
@leejamesburns who? Who said Rings was "good"? Hell even the Gaurdian admitted in the end that it was an absolute shit show, pretty, but shit.
I respect Henry Cavill so much for having a spine and standing up for what he believes in. Good man.
You do realise nothing this Nyrion loser says about Henry Cavil is based on any truth or fact WHATSOEVER, right?
Because it's hard to report on nothing unless you're cool with making stuff up.
i don't see anything wrong with female custodies, they've had old female space marine models. the lore is what the fans make it, the lore is open for that. My Rogue Trader wears cowboy hats and has aztec space lizards and dwarves in his entourage.
The lore is what the fans make it, yes, not what's forced on us. A random guy somewhere turning Sisters of Battle into Brothers of Battle is perfectly fine, it's their hobby, but it doesn't need to be added to the actual lore.
The all-male part of marines had been a part of the lore for so long, and is so ingrained, that suddently changing that also changes the thing we've loved. Some will be ok with such changes, other will no longer recognize what the fell in love with. The primaris marines were similar moment; suddenly marines were rolling from a production line instead of being incredibly hard to recruit and create.
To me female marines take away from the idea that marines are the best of the best. The best physical specimen of humankind will always be men, no exceptions. Yes there are women out there stronger then me personally, but I'd also never be marine. It's extremely exclusive. "But it's a setting with monsters, who cares about realism". It's also a setting with gravity, mortality, and other basic concepts. You can't just ignore everything from the real world, you have to pick and choose which exceptions exist in your fantasy world. With no rules, there's no drama possible.
The only counterargument I can think of, as I don't know biology in depth, might be that girls and boys in their pre-teens a phyisically mostly identical, so with hormones and such you might get the same outcome regardless of gender. But if you go that route, would the girl marines look anything like women, or just become men/trans (aside from the dong)?
Anyway, quite a rant.
The last thing warhammer (and any other niche hobby) need is to "go mainstream".
All that BlackRock DEI money and meddling. Sororitas, Inquisition, and Imperial Guard are already excellent and interesting avenues for female representation.
Knights as well. You want noble lines? You want Custodes but with less models and even simpler? Want to be an absolute princess/queen on the board? Play Knights!
Blackrock was one of their first investors. And the addition came from the CUSTODES CODEX. Why would they focus on guard or sisters of battle in the Custodes codex?
@@justaguyperson Because there are plenty of avenues for good female representation in those other factions without having to change the lore of Custodes (or potentially Space Marines). That’s one of the topics this video is discussing, hence the relevance.
BlackRock is BlackRock. DEI is their agenda, whether five years ago or today.
@@cadiastands8 what about if it’s 20 years ago? Also it’s not like it broke the lore of Custodes, it just added to it
@@justaguyperson BlackRock today is BlackRock today. I’m not understanding your point about how long they’ve been around. I don’t see the relevance.
Also, I’d encourage you to watch the numerous videos out there analyzing and discussing how the lore WAS changed, as it has been represented as “sons” and “brotherhood” for 30 years until the new codex. But if you like female Custodes in your army, by all means model them that way, as it’s your army. I could certainly understand cool hobby opportunities it can offer.
if your channel depends on warhammer and they give you free models and preview stuff to build and paint, your not gonna bite the hand that's feeding you. most content creators are scared to say the truth. or they actually want feminism to destroy the game.
Either way, they’ve showed they’re a bunch of simps lol
Who cares about any of this when Battlespace is a far better game than warhammer anyway!
Never heard of it. Now I'll look it up
Thanks brotha, and I can guarantee I won’t bend the knee lol.
None of the channels that play the game will say a word, as GW will blackball them and they won't get to playtest and get free things months in advance.
A bunch of pansies looking for handouts if you ask me lol.
@@tablesaltgames I agree, its why you don't mix work with your hobbies when you are dependent on appeasing a fickle master. No one gets free things from a company without a price.
Tabletop Content Creators Are Afraid To Call Out GamesWorkshop And Amazon
because they want free stuff from them
Its as simple as that because those who dont want free stuff talk about it a lot
So true brotha, I may never get freebies but I’m much happier saying what is on my mind to the community.
Let's be quite frank: You don't know anything. There has been very little released. I work with partners in the industry and I know very little. What I do know is the discussions that came out of Rings of Power and it was this: If you do not build a show for the fans you will lose them, if you lose the fans you get negative reviews and the show dies. If you build for the fans then they get excited and others will want to see why. THAT is what is being said at Amazon. Now beyond that I know nothing. But that I know
Here is the thing that the people opposing female Adeptus Custodes don't understand.
For purposes of this issue:
The lore doesn't matter.
Your nostalgia doesn't matter.
Existing female representation doesn't matter.
There is only one thing that matters and when you understand it, you understand that female Custodes and Space Marines must exist.
It is this; Custodes and Space Marines must be inclusive because they are described as being the best of the best of the human race. Whats more, Space Marines are the face of 40K.
If you say women can't be a part of the best of the best, than you are saying women are inherently inferior to men. Thats the shameful 40 year old message they wrote into their lore. That message is not only untrue; it is abhorrent to any fair minded person.
40K has existed with this implicit statement as part of it's IP so far because it is not even a blip on the average person's radar.
But things are changing. Games Workshop and Warhammer 40k are entering larger spheres. They must fix this problem in the lore if they are going to be accepted in those spheres.
Games workshop knows this.
Amazon knows this.
Female Custodes are here.
Female Space Marines are coming.
This holds true for BIPOC & LGBTQ+ representation as well. You can't tell people they are lesser because they aren't white males. It's not true and it's not right.
Reaction videos are lazy. Just make your own content.
I like doing both 😁