@@koeithleomori6273 There are also things that the Dub does that the Sub does not. For instance, when Bertholdt is coming clean about living a double life in season 2, he refers to the group as "friends", implying that there is love there. In the sub he refers to them as "comrades", which just implies being together out of duty. 'Friend' is a much more impactful word in that scenario. Same speech the sub says, "we just couldn't come to terms with our sins" whereas the English dub says "we could live 1000 years and never again know peace. Try to imagine that darkness." Bruh... it ain't even close. That's some deep stuff right there coming from the English dub. Both have positives and negatives but the English dub just kills it in so many scenes.
@@koeithleomori6273 If you're a perfect Japanese and English speaker, then you must be Japanese so must be subjective. Overall Attack on Titan sub is better than dub and til this day I've only watched one anime with dub being better than sub, that being Vinland Saga but Erwin Smith dub beats the sub easily for me. Also Levi dub ain't bad but not as good as sub. But the voice actors of Eren, Armin, Mikasa and literally everyone else just sucks in dub. AoT has one of the worst dubs in anime history.
@@justincain2702yeah, I’m glad they didn’t use ‘fight’ in the dub though because it just doesn’t have as much emotion as ‘rage’ since at least in English, fight a much more of a technical word that one used for emotion most of the time
I think there is some misunderstanding of the translation. In Japanese, Erwin says "兵士よ怒れ/叫べ/戦え". which is, roughly, "my soldiers rage/scream/fight". I think "push forward" is fight. They changed the order maybe to have better sync with the visual. Fight and Rage are both used in both versions. Push forward is better for Erwin because it makes more sense in the situation, tatakae is a more broad term than fight. I guess "fight on" would work as well.
@@nanasyiiiiiiii7741"charge" would make more sense than "push forward" because it's shorter and it can be pronounced easily with scream and rage. or they could also use "attack" to replace "fight"
This was the scene that made me understand the mentality soldiers have when they say they'd follow their commander into hell and back if he led the charge. If AoT was real, I genuinely could see myself following Erwin anywhere he went even if meant my death
@@user-di9qw1nr6ya lot of the tracks have similar themes and motifs, but this specific one (Tooth-I: I think on the s3 soundtrack) has the main melody of APETITAN
Dub in this scene is absolutely amazing. I am sure that every Erwin (every voice actor of Erwin) can feel the magnificent emotion of “Erwin” in this scene thus lead them to outperform themselves ever before. This is how great story writing and OST is for this scene.
While, "Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world" sounds cool, "That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world" is one of the deepest and most haunting line of dialogue ever.
People be hating on anime dubs in general, say that dub voice actors aren't as talented as Japanese ones, etc. But then you see something like this and it's baffling people can hate. I watched AoT in dub and that speech had me crying AND pumped. That delivery made me want to get a tattoo of that ending part.
No the dub wasn't better because of the reason you just stated. It is supposed to be bloody epic, somber because it is a sucidial last fight. They are killing themselves.
@@user-nr2cg8hh5ufirst: I never said it was better for that reason the second part of my comment was supposed to just be an add-in that explains what I had found to be a neat thing Second: I don't think the dub was better for that reason, I think the dub is better because of personal preference
I don’t know why people dislike dub so much as long and it’s an anime with a good budget that can hire good English voice actors it’s as good or better than sub sometimes
Must admit, I was sceptical, but Mr. Tatum suprised me. he did a great job, he can definitely shake hands with Daisuke. both nailed this amazing scene.
The small change in pitch when he said "push forward" in the dub was a nice little touch, it's in the same vein as Goku's scream when it suddenly cracked during his x10 SSJB Kaioken power up against Hit in the dub. That's when dubs take the clear lead, really helps to sell the emotions happening in scenes like these.
I was ready to give my life for the legion first time i heard the english dub. Then i realized i was watching a tv show... and fall into a depresive vortex because this wasn't real. That's how good this dub is.
@@user-nr2cg8hh5u All culture and characters were taken from Europe, even the architecture and weaponry. It's wrong to say that a Japanese voice fits this better than European. Also it's wrong to say that something is bad when you're not a part of that culture. If you're Japanese than Japanese is likely to sound better, if you're English than English is likely to sound better. But someone that's Japanese cannot say that English is worse, because that's is up to the people who actually understand the language and culture to decide.
most anime dubs, don't put as much effort, inflection or emotion into the voices, that's why English's dubbed anime has a bad rep, but that is not the case here, both versions give me the chills
When we die, does that make our lives meaningless? Does that mean there was no reason of being born. What about our fallen comrades. Were their lives meaningless. They were NOT!!! Their lives serve as an example to us all!!! The courageous fallen, the anguished fallen! Their lives have meaning because we the living refuse to forget them!! And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us!!!! Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when facing the cruelty of this world!!! My soldiers push forward, my soldiers scream out! MY SOLDIERS RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Erwin smith
I’m partial to Japanese when it comes to anime and English when it involves cartoons. I think cartoons portray less of the emotion visually and more so with the dialogue which works well with English voice actors as they have free reign to communicate their emotions through the dialogue how they see fit and the animation doesn’t feel slighted because of how simplified cartoons usually are. With anime 80% of the emotion is portrayed with the animation and it’s almost always over-exaggerated to emphasize the point being made. The other 20% seals the deal and the effort made by the voice actor to truly cement the emotions of the character that we see on screen makes the scene. This is a really good example of how that complex system plays out. Both voice actors are obviously extremely talented and know who they’re playing and what he stands for. There is one small difference that makes Onos performance stand apart and truly reach that 100% that makes the scene epic. Erwin’s face is communicating his humanity, he doesn’t look like a badass and brave leader who’s going to kill everything and is leading his men to battle. He has the weight of what he knows is going to be the death of him and all his subordinates on his shoulders. He looks scared, he looks like he wants to turn and run. Onos delivery of the lines portrays those feeling where Tatums misses the most important aspect of the delivery, and that’s the fear that goes with it.
@@Jordan_offline_Bro have you seen the Japanese voice actors? That’s the definition of cringe the little Loli girls make their voice all high and cringe. Can’t call yourself a man if u watch that
@@mcmemesbasement4455 Historically anime dubs were rushed and underfunded. Today and for more high profile shows, the dubs are usually very good. Still, voice acting is a much larger industry within Japan so there is a lot of competition leading to a lot of great performances.
@@justincain2702 "much larger industry". Son, are you unfamiliar with just how much voice acting material happens in the USA? Go look up Troy Baker or Matthew Mercer.
Both are good, bcuz they both make us feel inspired, it just sounds good to ur native language bcuz we have good voice actor that know how to make the viewer feel the emotions of the character.
The dubbing voice actor did justice to this speech😭
Tatum ALWAYS delivers
F*** yeah he did! Such passion!
rare dub W
Both actors did.
Damn it sounded Japanese
The german version sends my grandpa into shock
SIEG HEIL
Need to check that one real quick😅
😂
😂😂😂😂
yeah wait hol up with the way they're dressed maybe they should keep it limited to every language but german hahahaha
No matter which language, Erwin’s speech will always get you pumped up. That’s how good of a leader he was.
I use it for workouts when I need that extra umph
You can't not succeed when commander Erwin is ordering you to rage.
@@enomisv9830 same
if he told me this in dub im 92% sure id box prime mike tyson
Lmao same
😂😂😂
The 8% be like:we all have a plan till we get punched in the face
Damn, you gave Jake Paul ideas
@@shraeyas😂
“The dub can’t be that good” mfs when watching AOT dub: 😳
Sub still better
@@jagduwuweStay in denial buddy
Literally me
I was anti-dub until I finally got my dad to watch (he's a dub guy so we watched in dub). Now I have been converted
Only this specific scene is better. Overall sub is better.
@@jagduwuweyou can't even understand what they're saying, you're just another sheep 💀🗣️
"English Dub can't be good"
"I SAID ADVANCE, GODDAMMIT!"
"MY SOLDIERS RAGE!"
I am a perfect Japanese+English speaker. I would say if you watch dub, you'd miss out too much stuff.
@@koeithleomori6273 There are also things that the Dub does that the Sub does not. For instance, when Bertholdt is coming clean about living a double life in season 2, he refers to the group as "friends", implying that there is love there. In the sub he refers to them as "comrades", which just implies being together out of duty. 'Friend' is a much more impactful word in that scenario.
Same speech the sub says, "we just couldn't come to terms with our sins" whereas the English dub says "we could live 1000 years and never again know peace. Try to imagine that darkness."
Bruh... it ain't even close. That's some deep stuff right there coming from the English dub.
Both have positives and negatives but the English dub just kills it in so many scenes.
I swear when Erwin said “I said advance, goddammit” I got chills
@@koeithleomori6273 If you're a perfect Japanese and English speaker, then you must be Japanese so must be subjective. Overall Attack on Titan sub is better than dub and til this day I've only watched one anime with dub being better than sub, that being Vinland Saga but Erwin Smith dub beats the sub easily for me. Also Levi dub ain't bad but not as good as sub. But the voice actors of Eren, Armin, Mikasa and literally everyone else just sucks in dub. AoT has one of the worst dubs in anime history.
Because it's not good. Japanese sounds waaaay more epic.
Both voice actors the GOAT!
No. English sucks
Rightttttt😌😌😌😌
Both are epic.
Nah japanese one sucks
@@feministpicnicfallsapartaf3644tf is this account bruv 💀
“My soldiers rage” is 1000x better than “my soldiers fight”
Using fight is better for the Japanese though. Tatakae has a stronger nuance and comes up a lot in the show as a motif.
@@justincain2702yeah, I’m glad they didn’t use ‘fight’ in the dub though because it just doesn’t have as much emotion as ‘rage’ since at least in English, fight a much more of a technical word that one used for emotion most of the time
I think there is some misunderstanding of the translation. In Japanese, Erwin says "兵士よ怒れ/叫べ/戦え".
which is, roughly, "my soldiers rage/scream/fight". I think "push forward" is fight. They changed the order maybe to have better sync with the visual. Fight and Rage are both used in both versions.
Push forward is better for Erwin because it makes more sense in the situation, tatakae is a more broad term than fight. I guess "fight on" would work as well.
@@nanasyiiiiiiii7741"charge" would make more sense than "push forward" because it's shorter and it can be pronounced easily with scream and rage.
or they could also use "attack" to replace "fight"
@@SalsaBila-pf1hu I think you’re right, but the writers didn’t think so. maybe there was a better way, but it works out as well.
Damn. I’d die listening to that too
This was the scene that made me understand the mentality soldiers have when they say they'd follow their commander into hell and back if he led the charge. If AoT was real, I genuinely could see myself following Erwin anywhere he went even if meant my death
Same here
@@video_game_royal4797me too omg
One thing is for sure that the BGM makes this speech so epic. That shit hits straight to my soul.
@@ExtraterrestrialEarthling i was talking about background music 🤦
Apetitan OST is the best background song in the show
@@real_macr0113 fr man but every ost is damn good.
What's the name of this bgm?
@@user-di9qw1nr6ya lot of the tracks have similar themes and motifs, but this specific one (Tooth-I: I think on the s3 soundtrack) has the main melody of APETITAN
Dub slaps harder than Will Smith
He don't slap hard tho 😂
Lmao.
Might have slapped Chris rock but he won’t slap Jada’s cheeks the same way August Alsina slaps hers.
@@marloyorkrodriguez9975 nah💀💀💀💀
@@MrJamb0ree but he claps
Hearing it dub for the first time was just heavenly. When he said “buckle or yield” that slapped harder than my alcoholic dad
Japanese sounds goofy
When did he say that?
@@Fly_CosLifeguardjust listen
@@jakebrowning2373Close to the end of his speech he says "because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when face with the cruelty of this world"
For me it was the part where he talks about the successors remembering them.
that dub still gives me goosbumps. I don't think I could resist a suicide charge if Erwin was my commander.
German 😂
英語声優の迫力もすごいなぁ
契約してる悪魔教えてよぉ
English version is awful 😑
Japanese all day
@@beliall1592 yall sub people are so toxic
@@beliall1592shut up
@@beliall1592 how?
The voice crack in the dub makes it so much better.
At what part
The voice crack in sub is better
@rmogaming9771
@@jagduwuwe cap af🤡
You gotta be kidding me
Dub in this scene is absolutely amazing. I am sure that every Erwin (every voice actor of Erwin) can feel the magnificent emotion of “Erwin” in this scene thus lead them to outperform themselves ever before. This is how great story writing and OST is for this scene.
Rather if it's sub or dub, Commander Erwin is still an inspiration for us all
No bad version of this scene.
You right it is
this eng dub speech still makes me tear up
He sounds like he's about to bring out Star Platinum
スタープラチナ THE・WORLD！
literally the best motivational line Ive ever heard, like both the writting and dub are pretty much flawless
Truly one of the rare moments when an English and Japanese VA convey the same depth in character and emotion. Very well done.
どっちも鳥肌がたつ…
声優さんって本当に凄い
進撃のキャラは風貌が欧米や北西ヨーロッパ系だから、喋る言語が英語の方が合う気もするね
だとしても日本語やな。
Yes
Erwin is consistently top tier in the dubbed version
最後ののRAAAAGE！！はいいですね
Kudos to the translator who wrote the English script too!
While, "Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world" sounds cool, "That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world" is one of the deepest and most haunting line of dialogue ever.
Agreed the sub goes hard af
Weeaboo try not to meat ride japan challenge (impossible)
@@randynguyen6402sub is also very inaccurate often.
Now normally I’m pretty anti-military
But I would easily die following Erwin in a suicide charge
I hope you get recruited
@@michelesauro7086recruited? buddy will be getting drafted soon, no doubt about it
This is a rare moment when the dub is much better than sub, dub just sounds from the heart and full of rage
People just love dub because they can understand what they say/, not because the voise*.
Both voice actors did this scene justice. This scene is one of the most powerful scene in the anime/manga. It also gives us depth to Floch as well.
wowww the english version is amazing
Debatable
@@muhdsudhaifno
@@muhdsudhaifWell, considering that this topic is completely subjective, the Sub vs Dub argument will forever be "debatable."
@@muhdsudhaif no not debatable, it is good.
@@cinemaphar sounds generic tbh. .The sub sounds like an actual military commander.
Dub sounds like an average cartoon hero leader
日本人ですが、英語の声優の再現はとても良いと感じました。
Honestly theyre both as amazing as each other 👌
Agreed 💯
Only one can be picked
being military and listening to this i give credit to erwin fr
Both actors did an amazing job can’t spell Erwin without win!
John MIchael Tatum stopped watching AoT after erwins death. The Reason behind this sacrifice was, to honor his death.
What a Man
The English dub for AOT is the most goated dub there's ever been especially Erwin Smith and eren Yeager
And then the peace lovers say they should just give up to Marley and that Erwin wouldn't approve Erens methods.
my favorite song of AoT
THAT IS HOW YOUI DO A DUB! That was PERFECTION and SATISFYING! THE PASSION!!!
The English version was my most listened track for the last year on UA-cam music
Bro I was shivering atfer this godly speach I felt like I was ganna fight some Titians
このシーンはやっぱ相当な熱量ないとできんやろうからどっちも迫力がすごいよね
It's just something about the word rage as well. This wasn't a fight it's a suicide mission.
Tatake, more better for Japanese
Can we all agree that no matter which you prefer, both dubbed and subbed slap so fucking hard
I still get goosebumps when i listen to this speech
People be hating on anime dubs in general, say that dub voice actors aren't as talented as Japanese ones, etc. But then you see something like this and it's baffling people can hate. I watched AoT in dub and that speech had me crying AND pumped. That delivery made me want to get a tattoo of that ending part.
When voice actors go god mode
Honestly both were great but the dub was better
One thing I noticed is that sub has a more somber/epic mood while the dub sounds more motivational
Super comment
No the dub wasn't better because of the reason you just stated. It is supposed to be bloody epic, somber because it is a sucidial last fight. They are killing themselves.
@@user-nr2cg8hh5ufirst: I never said it was better for that reason the second part of my comment was supposed to just be an add-in that explains what I had found to be a neat thing
Second: I don't think the dub was better for that reason, I think the dub is better because of personal preference
@@user-nr2cg8hh5u if your commander was giving a speech during a suicide charge would you want it to be somber or motivational
J Michael Tatum is an amazing voice actor:)
j michael backstabber...nope
No matter language, It gives me gosebumbs
I get chills every single time.
Whenever I need inspiration to keep moving forward, I listen to this.
This moment is legendary!
both beautiful and well delivered 🗿🇯🇵🤝🏻🇺🇸🗿
I don’t know why people dislike dub so much as long and it’s an anime with a good budget that can hire good English voice actors it’s as good or better than sub sometimes
Prob bc of the dubbed titan roars
People will hate anything as long as it means that they can believe their opinion is superior.
It's because they're weird, it's only the inside dorks who prefers sub. A genuine person will choose dub 9/10 times.
Dunno why. But I don't care. I'll watch the dub for everything. I'd prefer to listen in a language I can understand.
@@theallsight7076 This guy gets it
No matter what language it is. I literally get goosebumps everytime I hear Erwin's speech🥶. May his soul RIP 🫡🫡
Both are goated but I gotta dub takes the cake here I can feel the weight and emotion behind every word and also understand what he’s saying
People just love dub because they can understand what they say/, not because the voise*.
Must admit, I was sceptical, but Mr. Tatum suprised me. he did a great job, he can definitely shake hands with Daisuke. both nailed this amazing scene.
as a pure sub only type of person, that english dub is as fire as the japanese, jesus
"It would take a professional con-artist at the top of his game to get them to make that charge."
I listen to this before going to work everyday 🥺🔥
Both of them are amazing but I loved the Japanese one, Daisuke Ono's Erwin is just a masterpiece ❤️ ✨️
Facts
The small change in pitch when he said "push forward" in the dub was a nice little touch, it's in the same vein as Goku's scream when it suddenly cracked during his x10 SSJB Kaioken power up against Hit in the dub. That's when dubs take the clear lead, really helps to sell the emotions happening in scenes like these.
I wish I was in the room when the English voice actor did that speech. That must have been incredible
Both VAs werr awesome. And the writing was incredible... definition of "Rage against the dying of the Light."
shit i would’ve followed Erwin after hearing that
I was ready to give my life for the legion first time i heard the english dub. Then i realized i was watching a tv show... and fall into a depresive vortex because this wasn't real. That's how good this dub is.
You say that because it is in english your mother language but it is better in sub originally
@@user-nr2cg8hh5u Spanish is my Mother language, still the english dub is amazing for me
@@user-nr2cg8hh5u All culture and characters were taken from Europe, even the architecture and weaponry. It's wrong to say that a Japanese voice fits this better than European.
Also it's wrong to say that something is bad when you're not a part of that culture. If you're Japanese than Japanese is likely to sound better, if you're English than English is likely to sound better. But someone that's Japanese cannot say that English is worse, because that's is up to the people who actually understand the language and culture to decide.
THE MOST PEAK MOMENT IN FICTION. I usually watch sub, but the ENG VOICE ACTOR?! MY SOLDIERS RAAAAGE
I will not back down when Jotaro Kujo is screaming to lay my life on the line for humanity
Both getting Goosebumps but I give it to Dub.
People just love dub because they can understand what they say/, lol*
most anime dubs, don't put as much effort, inflection or emotion into the voices, that's why English's dubbed anime has a bad rep, but that is not the case here, both versions give me the chills
the japanese one felt nostalgic because there was a certain someone in history who told his soldiers to do the same stuff (ride to death)
Commander Ewrin is the illest Commander character ever written still my favorite scout his speeches were executed perfectly by Michael J Tatum
That Tatakae makes me ready for battle!!
"And as we ride to certain death" 🔥🔥🔥
When we die, does that make our lives meaningless? Does that mean there was no reason of being born. What about our fallen comrades. Were their lives meaningless. They were NOT!!! Their lives serve as an example to us all!!! The courageous fallen, the anguished fallen! Their lives have meaning because we the living refuse to forget them!! And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us!!!! Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when facing the cruelty of this world!!! My soldiers push forward, my soldiers scream out! MY SOLDIERS RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Erwin smith
I literally doing the shinzu o sasageyo gesture while watching that scene,, with a tear.
I like both versions, but usually for me the sub version sounds better.
Erwin is giving me Optimus prime level of speech my god this make any soldier ready for battle
That speech hits my soul
I’m partial to Japanese when it comes to anime and English when it involves cartoons. I think cartoons portray less of the emotion visually and more so with the dialogue which works well with English voice actors as they have free reign to communicate their emotions through the dialogue how they see fit and the animation doesn’t feel slighted because of how simplified cartoons usually are. With anime 80% of the emotion is portrayed with the animation and it’s almost always over-exaggerated to emphasize the point being made. The other 20% seals the deal and the effort made by the voice actor to truly cement the emotions of the character that we see on screen makes the scene.
This is a really good example of how that complex system plays out. Both voice actors are obviously extremely talented and know who they’re playing and what he stands for. There is one small difference that makes Onos performance stand apart and truly reach that 100% that makes the scene epic. Erwin’s face is communicating his humanity, he doesn’t look like a badass and brave leader who’s going to kill everything and is leading his men to battle. He has the weight of what he knows is going to be the death of him and all his subordinates on his shoulders. He looks scared, he looks like he wants to turn and run. Onos delivery of the lines portrays those feeling where Tatums misses the most important aspect of the delivery, and that’s the fear that goes with it.
TATAKAE
I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE DUBS BUT THIS IS PUREEE TAAALEEEENNNNTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have never understood why people hate the dubs, is it the voice acting or something else?
@@mcmemesbasement4455 it just feels cringe 😬... most of the time
@@Jordan_offline_Bro have you seen the Japanese voice actors? That’s the definition of cringe the little Loli girls make their voice all high and cringe. Can’t call yourself a man if u watch that
@@mcmemesbasement4455 Historically anime dubs were rushed and underfunded. Today and for more high profile shows, the dubs are usually very good. Still, voice acting is a much larger industry within Japan so there is a lot of competition leading to a lot of great performances.
@@justincain2702 "much larger industry". Son, are you unfamiliar with just how much voice acting material happens in the USA? Go look up Troy Baker or Matthew Mercer.
One of the few scenes that sound good in many langueges
Both are good, bcuz they both make us feel inspired, it just sounds good to ur native language bcuz we have good voice actor that know how to make the viewer feel the emotions of the character.
"Eishi yo tatakae!"
"My soldiers rage!!"
Heishi👍
I disliked english dub for anime but for my opinion this time this scene both version sounds good in different way
Ew
初めて英語版のアフレコ聞きました。英語版もすごくいいですね
First time supporting english dub
The way the English VA goes "rageeeee" is great
Erwin is the badass character ever
both the voicesss. just wowwwww
One of the view times I loved both equally!
If the duber was japan ww 2 leader, they would definitely win the war lol😂
I'd disagree but the Japanese would definitely not lack courage!
AoT subbed is like asmr lmao
Your mom should’ve swallowed you
????????????
Usually, anime dubs sound so bad it hurts to hear
But Erwin's dubbed speech... it's gorgeous
Bro just watching this still pumps me up this is tuff 😤
Dub hits harder than my dad
I agree but that took a dark turn
I agree but that took a dark turn
Sub better
@@user-xu3ii7dy7l yeah ok lmao biased
@@user-xu3ii7dy7lbetter than the substitute weapon your dad uses to beat you.
i rather the arabic part of this way better
Its shit it doesn't have the best line "because my soldiers dont yealed or buckle faced with the cruelty of this world "
Erwins and Jotaro from JJBA have the same voice actor
I was fully expecting "ORAORAORAORAORA" after this