How to safely brake in a curve.
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2022
- In this video I'll go over proper braking with the bike leaned over in a curve.
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Mr Palladino, I have been watching your videos for along time and have learned so much that has made me a better safer rider.I wanted to take a minute to tell you Thank You!You have done so much for the motorcycling community by freely sharing the videos in addition to the many other things you have done.I have been riding over 50 years,over 40 years on the road.I learn more everyday,but your techniques are things the average rider may never know.Thank you to you, and your wonderful wife.Ride safe✌🏻
I've been riding for several years. Been on a street glide for about a year and recently started touring with my wife on the back. I was riding through some mountain twisties today in the Sierras and remembered to have my fingers on the front breaks. Deer came out all of a sudden. You saved my life today. Thank you.
You have made me a better and safer driver. Thanks JP!
I have purchased your ride like a pro dvd and it works. I can now turn my Electraglide around like I never thought I could with ease. been riding many years this is my first different beast heavy cruiser, your technique works. Thank you Sir.
Every ride I take is a training experience because I try to implement and practice what I view in your videos. Great content.
Living in Florida for a couple year's some 20 years ago I can appreciate how hard it is to talk about curves when they are non existent in Florida lol
Here in New Mexico with actual mountain curves it is a skill that is a must to master.....
Slipping on sand is a Florida road hazard
Just completed my local MSF course in IL. They still teach, slow, look, press and roll. But it's good to know that you can still break in a curve.
Watch the pavement for anything shinny, water, oil, coolant spills. And objects.
Thanks Jerry, I've heard it a hundred times and I need to hear it a hundred more times, and most of all I need to practice it , you don't want to wait until you run into a box spring and mattress in a curve or a deer or a muffler off of a car.
Thanks Motorman. Great information as always. Gentle application makes all the difference.
Like Jeff Pugh, I have been riding for decades.
I live in NW Arkansas and the roads around here are nothing but twists and turns.
Three years ago, I went off the road in a curve and the bike high sided. They found me two hours later 25 feet down a ravine. My bike was still on the shoulder.
If not for the fact I was ejected from the bike leaving it on the shoulder, I very possibly would still be in that ravine.
I have no clue what happened as my last memory is going through an intersection a full 2 miles from where I left the road. My next memory is waking up 3 days later in the hospital ICU.
If I had been aware the technique you show in this video, I think I might not have had the crash.
I just made a decision that I will be purchasing your course and practicing the techniques that I do not already use until they become automatic.
I appreciate what you do here on UA-cam, and being a former LEO, I appreciate your service to the public when you worked in Law Enforcement.
Are you by any chance going to be at BB&B this year as a vendor? I normally try to avoid the crowds but if you are working the rally, I will find you and buy your course in person.
Glad to help. I have no plans to be at BB&B.
I hope you’re bunkered down & have plenty of supplies, it sounds like Ian is going to make landfall in your area. Good luck our prayers are with you 🙏🏻
I get so much out of your videos the knowledge I have gained just from watching you it’s been immense .thank you very much. 😎👍
..."adds a degree of comfort"... Indeed Good Sir.
The split view was very helpful. Your videos have helped me tremendously but I know I have more to work on.
Great tip on breaking along with awesome explanations. Also great point with the 2 fingers to prevent the ‘panic’ grab.
Very useful info Jerry, thanks for all the info u give us, always beneficial! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Good advice , But what I normally do is just let off the throttle I start slowing down Just depends on the corners Before I use my front brake ,
Have a good day Jerry
Of course, letting off the throttle will slow the bike down. However, if engine braking doesn't slow the bike down enough, the front brake will. Just don't snatch it, or grab it.
Spot on. I’ve been riding a long time and that’s just how I do it. I would like to add there is an exception to holding the front brake and using the throttle.
But that’s only when you want to smoke the back tire. LOL
Coolz...I been riding in the mountain roads this summer...Doing a ride and back to Lake Tahoe pretty soon from Empire Calif...400 mile day ride...
Coming into areas where I needed to be careful, I used to practice the "OK" throttle grip, thumb and index finger on the throttle, the rest covering the front brake, but now I use that grip 100% of the time.
Being in a appropriate gear for the curve is a big help, too high a gear increases the chance of running wide.
Great video Jerry. Yes as you said the trick is to not jam on the front or rear brakes so u don't lock up. I do use a bit of front and rear brakes.
I’m so happy I found you on here,. Thank you for all you do and thank you for the service as an officer,.. My last three bikes was the VStar 650 classic,.. wish I could show you pictures,.. it’s been about 5 years since I had my bike,. I’ve been wanting to get another bike but I want a Harley, though about the Heritage, but my heart wants a Road King,.. I’m 5’6 at 180 pounds,.. I’m 58 yrs plod and want to ride more before I can’t no more,.. I’m a little intimidated of the Road King, the heritage probably 100 pounds more than the VStar and the Road king 100 more than the Heritage,.I’m not an aggressive rider, my thing is just cruising,..
Very helpful! Thank you so much for sharing your expertise Man!!
Good lesson! Decreasing radius turns make me edgy, especially if I have a passenger. Had that going down a steep mountain road with my wife on the back and a car riding my tail. I used a lot of rear brake fearing using too much front brake. Came out OK, but too much pucker factor!
Very true with the corner braking and trail breaking.
I know as well especially on tight twisting roads, a little of both works well, I use 70% rear and 30% front of pressure depending on speed and the corner camber etc.
I have found when we raced sports bikes on the road and I found myself in a situation more than once riding near cliff edges and I would not have made it around many corners had I not learnt these techniques, and for those occasions I used 90% hard pedal not grab but increasing fairly quickly which slowed the bike and not standing it up, I would have been of the cliff, so combining it with about 20% front brake,I survived. Very true, never grab front brake or you will end up on the other side of the road or in the ditch.
Had I not learnt those techniques I would not have survived.
Enjoy all of your videos
Nice simple natural common sense. If you are going a bit to fast you need to slow down that’s why they put the brakes on the bike.
Good demo thanks.
Look ahead if you might need them be ready to use them makes perfect sense.
Just got a new much bigger heavier more powerful bike. Time to get out and practice some more. Being able to stop seams like a good idea
Great tips.. I like the follow on
1. There ARE times when it's good technique to use multiple controls simultaneously. Using brakes and throttle together, if done properly, is a good thing.
2. Riding twisties with blind corners you need to be aware of your relationship to the "visual horizon". The "vh" is the point the road disappears over a rise or around a bend. This is how you should be regulating your speed:
* vh is getting closer = deceleration
* vh is staying same = maintain
* vh is moving away = acceleration
So on a blind decreasing radius turn, as you approach the vh gets closer you are already decelerating and if something appears in your lane you can decelerate more easily. In other words, covering the brake is only part of this technique. The key is coordinating speed with visual horizon.
Dude you should come up to Greenwich CT some of the hilliest curviest roads I've ever ridden on... definitely keeps you on your toes!!!
Be there in an hour. No, seriously...
Outstanding lesson sir !
Glad you liked it!
Great tips! Ride safe!!
Thanks, you too!
Two topics I get a kick out of on this channel from Florida are 1. riding in curves and 2. cold weather gear. These are 2 things Florida just doesn't have. I ride the old school way, slow down before the curve and accelerate through the curve. If I'm going a little too fast I just won't accelerate as early and use engine breaking or a little front brake as a last resort.
Thank you for your videos. Very helpful.
You are welcome!
Here in Scotland we have a fair amount of rain plus diesel residue .
Thanks Jerry
I myself apply a bit of pressure on the rear brake after downshifting if need be ✌🏼
Hi Jerry thanks for teaching us,I was trying to read your speed ?.
Thanks Motor man I live in Washington state I ride Highway two up to the summit called Stevens Pass and they have some curves tunnels beautiful roads if you don’t know the road you better ride it at a low speed I found out the hard way very first time I was riding I hit a blind curve I was going a little bit too fast and I wound up in the other lane if anyone was coming the other direction I would’ve hit him head on it would’ve been my fault so now I respect the roads I ride and carry a change of underwear and toilet paper ha ha thanks for your videos to be honest it was no laughing matter
Thanks for another great video.
Good information
Thanks
Great tips
Glad it was helpful!
Yup…the unanticipated tightening of a curve, with exception of a 911 🛑…is the only time I really use my front brake…always have the rear covered..but can’t remember ever using it…for me and my bike that is…your video just made me think of that…huh…Good contenDude👊🇺🇸👊
The issue with using rear break is if you don't have ABS then you could fishtail if you hit them too hard in an emergency and can potentially go down because of it. I had that happen to me about a year ago. I bought a 2013 Electra Glide without ABS and learned that the hard way. Luckily the damage was minor to the bike and I just had a few scratches. I was able to get back on the bike and ride on, but it's when I realized the importance of Abs, for now I mostly use the front brakes. I wish there was a kit to add Abs to a bike easily without major modifications.
There is a kit to get anti lock brakes (ABS) It's called practice, practice and more practice. 20 minutes a week at various speeds until you get it right. After that, 5 minutes a week for life.
@@fabioqa have to admit..my bike is over glorified with the controls, abs and modes etc..and no clutch to worry about…it’s almost made it to trusting in all situations, gonna bite me one day when I go back to clutch…but for how I ride and..my respective age of over 50 and riding a Grampa Goldwing….ABS will be one option I seek in any bike from here on out. Keep on keeping on and Cheers from Alaska, AK49….where I’m destroying this goldwing via AK Road Construction and using it at times like ADV😂🇺🇸👊🇺🇸
@@motorman857 lol, you're probably right on that one 😅. I'd like to ride every day, but there's too much traffic here in LA.
You’ll always get a big 👍 from me Brother 💯
I really enjoyed your video, Jerry. I've been riding motorbikes in Vietnam for five years, a 150 Honda. While my skills here, where most of the traffic is other motorbikes, are pretty good considering there is someone pulling out in front of you every 5 seconds and the speeds are so slow compared to back in the US. But I'm planning to get my motorcycle license back in Wisconsin this summer when I return. I was never a motorcycle owner/rider and at 71 years old, not sure I would be prepared for the speeds and mostly car and truck traffic in the US but I'm planning to enroll in a motorcycle training/safety course when I return. Just wondering if you would recommend getting a motorcycle back in the states or stick with riding a motorbike in Vietnam? I look forward to watching more of your content. Thanks!!
great - thank you!
You are welcome!
Hi great movie very nice filmed ;)
I don't hear ride experts talk nearly enough about downshifting (with appropriate engine RPM matching) when entering more aggressive corners. IMO, downshifting to use engine breaking and rear wheel friction is a far better setup than dragging the front brake. It also sets you up for a proper power exit out of the corner if done properly. The front brake should be used only as a supplement, not the main action in these maneuvers.
Problem is it doesn't trigger your brake lights. If a car is behind you, you put yourself in danger.
If I wasn’t so far away I’d like to take your class
Really appreciate all your tips and tricks…I am definitely a better, safer rider because of them! What road were riding in this video? I’m always on the lookout for some roads in this area of Florida that have some turns on them.
This is Osowan Blvd in Aripeka, right off of US Highway 19 in the Hudson/Aripeka area...it's a great ride.
Do you keep the throttle in the same position as you use the front brake? Thought I heard the eng bogged down. Love your videos. Keep u the good work.
No. No throttle when applying the brake.
Nice
Thanks
Got a question for ya. down in florida it gets pretty hot and humid. do you have air on your bikes.
Does the RDRS system change any of your riding techniques? I have it on my Harley-Davidson Electra Glide and the only thing I really notice is the hill hold feature.
Are you using the clutch and the break at the same time? Or shifting gears down? Just curious. Hitting sturges this summer . Need to learn more on turns
Jerry, I agree that trail breaking is a good technique to learn and use, but most riders have a "fear limit" that makes them incapable of using that technique. I use to watch a gal on UA-cam ride the hills outside of Southern CA. She was out of control and going over the double yellow line to take the turns. I commented to her that she was an accident waiting to happen. She said she could handle it. She is dead. She ran off the road going to fast in a corner. The solution is simple. Look at the "risk verses rewards" for going to fast, period... The risk is death and the rewards are a "riding high" that lasts until the next turn... Most riders ride with 10% of the abilities that they think they have. Watch the video series "Street Smarts 1,2,3" on UA-cam for free. Street Smarts 2 asks RACERS what they do in situations. The racers say to get off the breaks in a turn, but if you "must" put on the breaks, you will have to stand the bike up for HARD breaking. Slow down and review the "risk vs rewards", unless you like pushing up daisies.
(Edit), in Street Smarts 2 one racer said that he would just apply rear brakes if he was going to go off the road and let the bike slide out from under him (Dave Memdee). He said it beat going off the road, hitting a rock or a tree. Well, not long after that making that video, Dave, was going too fast, again in the hills of Southern CA, and he went off the road. Dave died. Risk vs Reward. No reward, risk equaled death.
Does this braking apply to the same as a trike.
I was always trained to use your rear break for leaning in curves
Well then you were trained incorrectly. I tend to listen to professional riders and especially if they happen to be champion riders.
@@motorman857 I was always taught - by professional riding coaches that using the front brake could literally make the bike skid out of from underneath you. So, for years I have used the rear brakes.
Guess I'm lucky I haven't flown into a tree.
@@ArmyBikerVet Watch and listen to the actual pro's ua-cam.com/video/Wvrgn5akOm4/v-deo.html
@@motorman857 Question: I am not trying to cause an argument.
At 56, and riding for more than 30 years - I keep my hand off my front brake when going around corners at a high speed (anything above 20/25) because I was told by pros - using the front brake could cause the brake to lock up and put me in a skid.
I have used my rear brake for years (lightly) in low speeds and high speeds tried to avoid using the brakes at all; keeping steady speed, but if I had to use the brake, use lightly and in case of an emergency stop, bring the bike verticle and stop.
I'm not doubting what you are saying, as I have watched your video for years and have learned a great deal.
But I am confused why so many "so called pros / couches" told people to keep hands off front brakes in a turn at high speeds.
@@ArmyBikerVet Here's what the real pros do ua-cam.com/video/Wvrgn5akOm4/v-deo.html and this one, ua-cam.com/video/gPE67XqGsV4/v-deo.html and this one ua-cam.com/video/8ug6u-1hqG8/v-deo.html
So your rolling off the throttle completely before gently squeezing the front brake? Thank you.
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as your going into the curve and applying, let's say 2% of the brake, are you on the throttle so its not engine braking or do you allow the engine brake?
The biggest thing I do is look up and past the curve. People panic and stare straight ahead and jam on their brakes
Thumbs me up if you want to see Jerry do a track day!
This November at Champ school in Homestead Fl..
Lol, I've done that! Make it around a curve and think man how'd I male that?!
Northern Minnesota have deer, bears, turkeys, turtles and dumb drivers. Lots of curves.
Compression is your friend? Utilize downshifting too?
If engine braking isn't enough. You use the brakes as I showed in the video.
@@motorman857 Great channel!
Will the Harley ABS dump you if you grab a handful of front brake in these examples?
ABS will only work if the bike is straight up. With ABS and RDRS you can brake with the bike in a lean but it can't overcome stupid, as in ''grab'' or stomp on the brakes in a severe lean. It's best to learn proper braking and not depend on electronics.
@@motorman857 Good to know. Thanks.
did you brake during this riding?
When you're leaning on the brake around cornets,are you letting off the throttle at the same time?
You don't mention what you're left hand is doing on the throttle
You NEVER want to use the front brake and throttle at the same time.
I have a 240mm rear tire on my vrod
The edge tread is deep and nice but the middle . The tread is barley visible
Should I get new tires? Or can I wait till the tread in the middle is not visible at all?
Great video by the way
Usually an inspector will measure the thinnest section of tread, no less than 2/32nds if I’m not mistaken. On a motorcycle tire, there isn’t much rubber between bald and cords showing.
@@Kwhopperfan thanks , it will be like $1500 but I also don’t want a flat tire at 65 mph
You need new tires.
@@redbullwiseman4805 I’m sorry to hear that they charge that much. I do all my own work. I have yet to have more than $200 in replacing any tire. I would shop around, tires are pricey now I will give you that, but on a basic cruiser, not much involved removing either tire
@@Kwhopperfan in Williston nd not very many options exept Harley dealership and the tires from and back are $890 and I’m guessing labor is few hundred
I work 70 hrs a week and I can’t have an armature messing things up
I'm surprised you didn't stress to the folks never to down shift while in a turn. Never!
A smooth down shift, if need be, while in a turn can be helpful. Thus I didn't mention ''never''.
I strongly disagree with this one, but i like your other videos. The situation you are describing, and the target audience you have with this one is noobies panicking when entering the turn. As you say this is over their skill level. So they are probably panicking, and target fixating. The last thing they need is pressing the front brake, making the bike stand up and go off the trail even more. They will target fixate even more because they'll notice that the bike is going off, and they will panic even more. Like in twist of the wrist. I think the number one advice is to learn that when you panic, you look into the curve, like how you say in your other videos. The second advice may be to use racing lines, learn countersteering, and maybe also body position (although i am not riding super heavy bikes, so maybe you dont find that as effective). Also maybe use trail brake to chose entry speed and you'll never have a problem with too much speed in a corner. (Very different than what you were describing). Although invisible bumps can really mess up trail braking.
The second reason i disagree is that a lot of times, when several factors play in bad traction (wet road, cold tires, bad asphalt, bumps etc), just a little pressure is enough to lose the front wheel. So having the front brake as a panic button in the middle of a turn is a bad idea. If you really have to stop or lose speed quickly: aim the bike to the longest straight line that you find inside the curve (this is why you go in from the outside), straighten the bike, break hard, and then trailbrake again.
Covering the brakes with one-two fingers on a straight line is good practice though.
if you go slow enough, you don't need to use any brakes in a curve, knowing good technique and how to use trail braking, as I stated, is a technique all riders should have in their bag of tricks. And, it's something a rider can practice on the street or even in a parking lot. As for a rider using the front brake and the bike standing up in the corner, not true. If you snatch or grab the front brake in a corner, the front tire will tuck under and the bike will go down. Riders who don't know how to use the brakes, will never be able to first straighten up the bike, then apply maximum braking. Riding skillfully is a learning process that should never end. I tend to listen and learn from the very best professional riders. It might be beneficial to you to do some research right here on youtube and listen to what the pro's are saying about trail braking. ua-cam.com/video/Fy1AIAc76Qo/v-deo.html here's another good video ua-cam.com/video/gPE67XqGsV4/v-deo.html
@@motorman857 I like trail braking but I think it is used at the beginning, and not in the middle when you are panicking. Those are two different things. At 1:38 first video he says "if you wanna add more lean angle, you give away break pressure".
I am arguing because it happened to me a lot that i thought i can give a little bit of brake but i felt i lost the front, or even two times i actually lowsided the bike because of it. A lot of times i was able to use a little brake, but i think it is dangerous because you never know how much traction you have left. And at the same time i also remember how much focusing on looking where i want to go helps when i panicked in a corner.
@@MeisVlk If you ''lost'' the front, it was because you went into the turn too fast and applied too much pressure, or snatched/grabbed the front brake. If that happened to you ''a lot'' you need to practice proper technique. I'd suggest some good track day training. Check out Champ U ua-cam.com/video/Fy1AIAc76Qo/v-deo.html
Jerry I appreciate all you do for the cycling community, much good info,but the speed at which you enter the small unnamed community is a bit above the posted speed limit of 10 mph there is a street to the west and a blind spot is present for both directions of traffic . Please slow down. Again thanks for all you do.
Or you could do it the UA-cam way, and let the guardrail slow you down . . .
Jerry you are good.
Thanks again,