As a beginner rider, who decided to start on a 250CC despite everyone yelling id regret. Seeing this video makes me glad im learning to ride before im buying an actual rocket. TY sir
Regret is whiskey throttling a litre bike into the side of a tram at 35mph, one second after hitting a bump mid turn in a city street. Fun is learning to ride a bike that you're comfortable on, that you can make mistakes on without it or the law punishing you and that you can thrash a bit. In my country, when I first got my learner's permit, back in the days when dinosaurs were still considered a road hazard, we had a 250 restriction for learner and probationer riders. All these years later and I've never heard a single one of my piers say that they hated their 250 or that it wasn't fun. Quite the opposite, in fact. Enjoy.
One of greatest joy's of riding is opening the full throttle, whether you have to wait for the power or it is on instant,even greatest joy is to daily have a place to do it,with 250 the fun is guaranteed and fatal mistakes are more easly avoided.Always have a super bike as a second bike(or first,but then you have to have a second haha)
When I did my motorcycle license training, they had a tu250x for the first rides before upgrading you to the 650 the law requires you to take the test on. That little 250 was the most fun bike they had.
My first bike was a Honda CB 500 (PC32), I loved that thing so much. You could push it to the "limits" and go nearly full throttle in a corner without anything happening and what a nimble thing it was. Pretty happy with my bikes now but I still think foundly back to that time.
I'm 72 years old and have ridden all capacity motorcycles regularly from 16 years old to 55 and never had a serious accident. This has given me a pretty good idea of how motorcycle performance has increased over the years. My last bike was a YZF R1, so I can't speak for how fast this model is now, but I assume it is a lot faster. I stopped riding at 55 because I knew my mind and body was not up to the task of riding a high perfomance modern motorcycle.I think this decision was a good one, but even younger people should ask themselves this same question. I still miss riding bikes but car drivers appear to have got a lot worse over the years in terms of ability and road sense, so I'll live with my decision.
@@AudfileUsed to have a Harley approx 25 years ago. Can't remember the model but I think it was a 1250cc. Frightened me to death. No brakes to speak of and grounded out everywhere. I have actually considered buying a sporster bur again I worry about the brakes/handling.
Anyone who turns their brain off while motorcycling might be in for a bad day, unless your on a single lane road out in the middle of nowhere, and thats assuming no animals jump out in front of you.
Yeap you never turn your brain off I think he meant that its less stress because a Sportbike is far more rigid and even a small bit of gravel sends the handling sketchy and twitchy. Where as a triumph tiger or gs can just ride through bad surface and you dont have to do anything the set up is made to ride thro all terrains. I think thats what he is getting at.
lol I turned off my brain when doing the most basic part turning it on lil gas clutch out roll away, well my brain dumped clutch and stalled then slowly dumped bike while over extending my leg to save it lol. The first time i've ever dumped my bike and in the dumbest way possible.
youve never rode a cruiser or goldwing lol. Brain off in the sense you don't have to worry about much because you're just riding with the flow of traffic
It's not turn off the brain. What he means is that as compared to the attention span of 1000 supersport, it is "like" a turn off the brain. Let's not nitpick
Wise man👍🏻 60mph that too in a controlled situation just think about an inexperienced guy jumping on this ...he would be signing his death warrant basically the first gears are really tall in these bikes they go upto 90-100mph that too very rapidly.
i just did the msf course 2 weeks ago i learned and passed the class on a 250cc bike ! i bought a 1100cc bike bmw sport cruiser bike right after . you can definitely go fast if you want to ! but u can also cruise i went riding with some honda groms and they dusted me lol i was crusing with the guys on the scooters 😂 but if i wanted to i coulldve left em all in the dust
@@AllTheRamenOnTheSky riding has alot to do with confidence. it sounds like u lack confidence in your riding ability/ just dont pull the throttle all the way if ur scared of going fast ( plus u need to be in like 3rd gear+ to get to any fastt speeed so just stay in second lol just keep riding and youll gain confidence . but if ur not confident dont hop on it . piece and
i started at 17 on a gsxr 1000, i honsedtly belive that the best way to stay alive for an extended period of time as a rider is to start on a bike that you are forced to respect, it teaches you so many lessons about riding that you cant learn on a 400cc "beginner" bike
@@c1fi364 I highly doubt anyone at 17 had or will have the emotional maturity to be "gun shy" riding a literal bullet. The reason people preach starting small and gradually upgrading is that smaller bikes forgive mistakes due to performance restrictions. The reason you can get an over 400 cc license at 25 (at least where im from) is because you're expected to be more mature/responsible compared to your teens. Highly doubt a kid of 17 with a mind still ruled by his cock got any "lessons" of respect riding a GSXR 1000 of all bikes.
The smooth power delivery of the FZR1000 Genesis is quite unlike any other 1000 I have had, super smooth and easy to ride, the Kwak ZX9 for example of the same vintage has an animal powerband in comparison..??
I have a feeling this channel is going to blow up. This guy is hitting ALL the tiny, relevant details that, out of the millions of moto instruction videos, NOBODY is talking about. It's fantastic.
@@skyoom12 amazing vids in a row! i appreciate your commitment! consistency is king. thanks for the smart tips. you might have saved a life! or a bike at the least.
It's probably because this is a no nonsense content. Most content these days are just clickbait poor quality videos supporting people's bias on one thing/ego posting. This video is just19 minutes straight facts.
I don't think people realize how the slightest bump of the throttle generates raw power so quickly. This is the best explanation of why TOO or NOT too buy one.
I have a 200cc 😂. I can hit about 70. I THOUGHT I wanted a 1000. Thank u . Now Im going to either a 4 or 600. Too much power. On a small cc , a small mistake may not be that costly. On a 1000, a small mistake can be the difference between existing or ceasing to exist. Thank u good sir. Might've saved my life and others. This deserves a sub.
Depending on your skill and how long you've been riding, jumping to a 1000+ isn't outside reality. You'd probably do just fine. Just remember that you have to be on your A game 100% of the time or the consequences could be very dire.
A 400cc sports bike is the way to go tbh,zx4 rr seems perfect 👌 my rvf 400 was my favorite bike because you can drive it on feel like a racer but are not hitting crazy speeds instantly
I've had 5 bikes in 6 years riding time. My first 3 motorcycles were all supersports. I started out on a CBR600F. After like 2 years of riding (20k miles) I thought it was time to buy a 1000. So I bought a CBR1000RR (2012) as well. I adjusted to it quite quickly and it was fun for the time. I was so in love with the looks of it, it was my dream bike. Even though I loved the bike I sold it within 3-4 months. Why? Because I realised I could never use all of that power. But what I also noticed during these months, the bike didn't feel as nimble as the 600. Cornering and roundabouts took more effort to take. Riding it felt in many cases so restricted, where as on the 600 it felt like a feather in the wind. So after that I bought a CBR600RR, and many people thought I was crazy for doing that. To this day I still love the 1000cc bikes, and who knows I might buy one again someday. But definitely not as a bike i'd daily ride.
As some one that just went from an R6 to and R1, I thought I was never going to sell my r6, and this doesn't go for everyone, as a tall rider it was just too uncomfortable for me, not even the power (I've own a zx6r, still have a cbr600rr) the r1 I felt the most at home on and comfortable knee position is a lot better too, added bonus is the power, I just like feeling it even knowing I can't use it all
I have a nightster 946cc. I would like to know how it compares to. 600 or a 1000 since it seems (to me) a very powerful machine, tho the power should be wisely kept to straight roads.
as someone who rides all manner of bikes and atvs, from 350 pound 400ccs to 600 or 700 pound harleys, they mostly feel the same to me wether going fast or cornering, i think you need to spend less time talking about how hard it is to corner a litre bike and more time practicing your riding, because they arent that much different when you dont suck at riding them.
I’ve been riding since I was 4-5 years old, I’m glad someone is giving proper advice without trying to sell something. Always wanted a 1000cc but no one could explain exactly what you did to me.
Bro lol… if you been riding since u we’re 4 or 5 and still haven’t jumped on a 1000cc then what are u doing… Don’t be afraid, be confident. If you have the experience riding since 4 years old you could easily jump on any bike u wanted. I been riding since I was about 8 or 9 and the only bike I’ve jumped on tht had “to much power” was a very early 2000s 250cc that just had insane torque everything after market..and the bike was stupid light. But I’ve jumped on 1000cc street bikes tht will never compare street bikes is a cake walk compared to a torquey ass dirtbike that is half the weight.. I’m no pro rider I don’t even wheelie but I got confidence on handling pretty much any bike.. if u know how to ride u can ride anything u want fr..
@@HanJukes Typical dick measuring. I've been riding for nearly 30yrs and never felt the desire to buy a liter bike. 600 class is all around far more useable and fun. There's no such thing as "outgrowing them" unless you are a professional racer.
@@HanJukes although I agree with you, its good that people should know their limits. if he been riding his whole life and still doesn't want a 1000 then he is probably correct on his judgement. know thyself lol. I feel like the video creator is over exaggerating on the powerband, but then again there's a lot of dipshits out there. I've also only driven a cbr1000 as a sportbike ( started on a cruiser) so maybe his gxr 1000 is way more powerful/sensitive, I've never tried.
@@HanJukesunless he's going to the racetrack there is literally no reason for him to own a 1000cc bike. The one other exception would be if he's wanting to ride with a passenger plus a crap ton of cargo.
Totally agree. I’m a re-learner (or hopefully will be) after 30 years off a bike. I’m not big enough to own a 1000cc and would never take something like this on but even if I was foolish enough to dream this has been very very instructive. Thank you. 🙏
In the first minute or two I thought you were about to go in the other direction, and was getting pissed off. Glad I kept watching because you hit the nail right on the head with this one boss. Great way of putting things into perspective for people that normally can't understand without actually trying it
After a few years riding VFR800's, I was riding a 900cc Fireblade accelerating to 70km/h away from traffic lights on a 6 lane road with a slight bend when a car going in the opposite direction initiated an illegal U-turn and stopped blocking most of my lane because they saw me coming. I panicked because it was a nightmare event and I was utterly stunned. As you are explaining my skill level was insufficient. My body position changed, I imagine I instinctively stomped on the rear brake like I was driving a car. Certainly as you say I 'disrupted' the suspension. I couldn't get the weight of the bike onto the front wheel to achieve the necessary disc braking. I also wasn't able to see that if I could get my eyes off the car and it stayed stopped, I could go around it. But in those few moments it was too much and I had no time to think and I skidded my way into a direct collision with the front fender/pillar. Smashed, handle bar slammed into tank, bike went down and sideways while I went over and bounced and spun to the far kerbside. Major injuries, thigh degloved, back arched, couldn't see with eyes screw shut, people on their way to work keeping me be calm and not try to move, thought I was going to die while waiting for ambulance, terrifying pain being lifted onto a stretcher, surgeries, prolonged rehab and specialist appointments and breakdowns, lifelong effects, chronic pain, fatigue, depression. I had always worn boots and gloves (and helmet of course) and a kevlar glove is why I had a repairable thumb. My right boot may have prevented my femur, pelvis and sciatic nerve from worse destruction, prevented worse wedging of my vertebrae and perhaps prevented a deadly internal arterial bleed. I have to assume my helmet prevented a traumatic brain injury at least. I wore a vest that day rather than my leather jacket and maybe I could have avoided a little of the liver laceration that almost killed me. It's been 18 years since the crash. I didn't get back on a bike because I said I was too grateful to all the people that had helped me get through all of that. Not least my girlfriend who I married once I was mostly recovered. But there were other things too. I was a very attentive rider and pretty good at reading traffic but I now knew that very unpredictable things could happen and I didn't have the skills of someone who did advanced riding courses and regularly rode at the track. If I had I might have stopped in time or swerved around the vehicle. I have to say your advice is spot on.
I've got 3 Motorbikes, a 535 cc Royal Enfield, a KTM RC 390 and a Honda 125. I'm 70 yrs old and my Favourite Bikes are on my X Box Series X Isle of Man Simulators !!! I can Ride very fast and never got hurt !!! And it's more Fun. (No Traffic Lights, Pot Holes, Traffic Jams or Car Drivers Pulling out in front of me ). And it Keeps my Brain Speeded Up !!!
I fell in love with motorcycles because it gives me the same stimulus as flying a plane. It's so mentally active and when you accurately predict traffic and put yourself out of danger proactively, it feels like an achievement each time. That being said I love my RC390, banging gears to get up to 60 feels so fun every time. I'm planning on going for an S1000RR, and while I'm an extremely defensive and safe driver/rider, I feel like that amount of power being on tap gives no room for play in self-restraint or error (obviously more now with the computerized bikes.) This video was really a great reality check, thanks for this
Yeah I'm on a Ninja 400 right now, and I think I'd really be happiest with a 600 as I've heard you can have a similar chill riding experience to the little bikes when you keep the gears high and the revs low
@@36shadowboy I got a GSXF600 from 2001. bought it for 400euros. did my own maintenance for 100 euro. and new tires for 460 euro. Pretty cheap and reliable bike
Perhaps you could hire/borrow one (or something similar) before making the commitment. Faster and more powerful on a bike doesn't necessarily translate to more fun. It does for some, but not all. And going from something like your RC to the BMW isn't like going from a 152 to Vans RV7, it's like going from a Tiger Moth to an F18. It's a big step to take all at once. You could well make the choice to take another step up the ladder before going for the all out 200hp bike. SV 650, R7 or even a super sport of some description. Plenty of newer riders trade "up" from their "beginner" bike to their dream bike and before too long, they're regretting their decision. A mate of mine is in exactly that boat as we speak. Don't get me wrong. Ultimately, the S1000rr might be the right bike for you. I'm not you and you're not me. I can't judge for you. But I wouldn't be surprised that if you hired one for a couple of days, you'd start looking elsewhere for your next bike.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Big thing is I was a BMW fanboy when it came to cars for a long time and I've wanted the s1000rr since 2014. I know it's probably not the bike that I think I'll love, but I'll only want to ride sport bikes for so long and during that time I gotta get the dream bike even for just a season
This is exactly why lower power motorcycles are much more fun to ride. You still have to pay 100% attention to traffic/road situation, but you have much more forgiving control of the bike. And you can go full throtle and still be not too far from legal speed after few seconds of instead of liter monsters with which you would have gained speed that has nothing to do with safe riding on public roads (for you and others especially).
@@HRRRRRDRRRRR No, mine is based on the Honda CG engine, it’s probably the most simple four-stroke single you can find. A guy in my Condor 150 FB group just put his up for sale with 23,000mi on it, still running.
I had a ZRX 1200, a mild bike compared to a 1000 cc Supersport, and I could be doing 60 mph in less than 4 seconds, and I could crack 100 mph in the 1/8 mile. I miss it.
Yep. I ride the "Old man's gixxer", a GSXS1000GT+, and I fall in the "cruiser" category, but when the time is right, it can go full on Gixxer mode. After a few thousand miles, I ride it exclusively in "A" mode, but it has a few things the GSXR doesn't. One is the low speed clutch assist. It really helps in low speed handling, especially when one learns how to use rear brake and clutch feathering for control. Of course, the steering geometry and seating position are different, but what remains the same is that when you grab a handful of throttle, the horizon comes at you VERY fast. Even on a liter class sport tourer, one must have all of their riding wits about them, as it is still a very powerful motorcycle. But, for around town and daily riding, it's quite civilized, just practice judicious use of the throttle.
im really considering the GT, I have an FZ1, and it falls flat compared to new bikes after 100mph, How does the GT stack up in a real world with new bikes?
@panrak123 considering that the model debuted in 2022, it's still contemporary. Keep in mind that the GT, the GSXS naked and the Katana are essentially the same machine with different plastics. I went with the GT +, as for a few hundred dollars you get the panniers that cost over a thousand as an add on. Plus, without the bags and with the very well designed front fairing, as one wag put it, it looks like it's "all tits and no ass". As for handling at speed, I found myself one time passing on the highway, looking at the speedo reading 110 and didn't realize it, the acceleration was so smooth in 6th gear, and the fairing is so good there was no real increase in turbulence.
I'm learning on a 250 and I do understand why I could have gone bigger but this video puts into perspective the difference in how the bikes react to the smallest of inputs much appreciated man
In 2012 I started out on a 1000cc (2002 Yamaha R1) with a graves 1056cc big bore motor in it that came out of a homoligated road race bike. I never went down on it and havent been down once since I started riding. Not saying it won't ever happen because its not a matter of if , its a matter of when. The key is to respect the power the motorcycle has, dont ride like an idiot, be aware of your surroundings, dont ride outside of your comfort zone or experience level, dont push yourself to keep up with reckless or more experienced riders, and always wear proper gear (helmet, jacket. Gloves, pants, boots). Staying fit and keeping your reflexes in top shape does help a lot with reaction times well. Sure you can open the throttle up here and there but dont do it when you shouldn't. Starting on a 1000cc isnt a bad thing, but it isn't for every rider.
I just wanted to say, this is god sent. I was looking at upgrading to a 1000cc from a cb650r. I've been checking reviews on the 04-08 cbr1000rr, 02-2011 R1s and 06-10 zx10r. Never have i come across the insight of what a 1000cc actually requires from the rider. Thank you for sharing this valuable lesson. I would say my experience is adequate.. i think i should stay on the cb650r awhile longer and really prepare for a 1000cc. Thank you so much again! I just subbed to the channel ❤
Far as I'm concerned that cbr650r is one of the prettiest bikes ever produced and a bike I view extremely highly of. Definitely not a bad bike to keep around for a while longer :)
@@skyoom1 cb650r neo cafè is such a pretty bike, but i was also thinking to trade it for a vstrom 650 because i ride all seasons in the UK and need comfort lol. I only wanted a 1000cc for just riding during them warm days
This is funny, I also have cb650r, and I’m about to upgrade to either - 15’ bmw s1000rr or the new cbr600rr 2024 . I’m in Ireland I mostly do short spins in the mountain and some commuting.
I started on an 06 GSXR 1000 (been riding for a couple months), the 2 things I keep in mind is 1. Respect the bike 2. Be smooth. I’m naturally a pretty decent driver, I’m always scanning for potential hazards, checking my mirrors, reading traffic, and understanding other drivers tendencies. So the focus when riding the bike kinda came natural to me, if anything it’s more fun since I have more control on my positioning and escape routes. I absolutely love my bike and I know it’s bad to start on a 1000cc, but it was a gift from my dad (his old bike) so it was free and in great condition. I don’t have the money to buy a cheap 300 then upgrade to a 400, then 500, then 600, I’m way too broke for all that. I do speed, but it’s never like 186 through traffic, lane splitting and through turns and all that. (Highest Ive been was 170mph WIDE OPEN road with no crossings or those u turn lanes on a highway and 0 cars. Hardly any traffic ever). But even then, I hate speeding to that point because my cardo starts glitching out and it ruins my music. I make sure to be cognizant of what I’m doing at all times. I listen to my gut feeling, I remain calm when some unexpected shit happens and I stay focused. I don’t doubt myself, but I don’t underestimate myself either. I’m on a bike, I feel free on the road, and I enjoy my time riding while I’m blasting music on my cardo. I take it as a blessing. I truly love it.
I was like you too, I bought an MT07 and my experienced rider friends told me I would be a better rider if I started on a lower cc. Riding on the streets is really easy and yes you just need to be extra aware. But People make mistakes like accidentally throttling after hitting a pothole or clutch in when turning then letting go or adding a little throttle whilst leaning. These are just mistakes beginners tend to make and if you start on a 400cc, its more forgiving. Then you take it out on the twisties after 6 months and realize that you never understood the 1000cc's capabilities and either are going really slow or way too fast. Its just human, I came in the MSF thinking my experience with a smaller cc bike was enough but I learned so much I didn't knew. My advice is, if you're gonna buy that 1000cc, might wanna take some classes or really practice and understand the skills to riding and learn the bike's characteristics. No Motogp rider has ever started straight in the top class being a rockstar of a rider. They all start at a beginner level and work they're way up. Now you think you're a better rider and can skip all that ?
That’s good you’re confident, just don’t let it turn to complacency. Always keep your head on a swivel, always. When you can get a smaller CC bike. You might enjoy it more because it’ll be a lot easier to ride
Here is a story to not overestimate your ability / underestimate physics: I started on a 125cc at 16 and I drove quite aggressive. Right before I was allowed to upgrade to a big sports bike, I barely evaded a fatal accident on my 125cc. I was cocky, overtook a slow car before a turn and promptly needed to fit between two cars to survive. That barely worked out and I was cured from speeding. I did not buy a big bike yet (I am mid 30s now).
To be fair, passing is safer with a quicker bike. You can get around and away from people much faster. Sounds like you should go get that liter bike to me 😉
@@greenedout134OP’s problem was not the bike, it was judgement/ decision making. The worst accidents I gotten into happened when i was riding smaller bikes, young and stupid. I now ride a bike with 7 times as much hp as those earlier bikes, but It’s much safer now. Not because the bike is faster, but because I’m less stupid.
i've been riding liter bikes for about 20yrs. my MT10 was the first bike to ever "scare" me with its throttle response. doing about 75mph on an interstate at night - hit a bump which caused me to pull back a hair and the thing almost went out from underneath of me. had never experienced that level response before. it's still my favorite bike but i've got a whole new level of respect for the newer technology
If you have the skills this young bloke, is talking about and your body is fine with the seated position. Get one, these bikes bring a smile to the dial every ride
As a 10 year experience 1000cc rider from my 3rd month of riding, I was not surprised and agree 1000% with this quality video. I love all manual trans cars, so I have no problem with these bike dialing you in all the time, but only for an hour at a time
I rode dirt bikes for years before getting my bike license and starting on the the tiny cbr125! That little bike was an absolute blast to ride other than low power. I went to a 600 gsxr which I absolutely loved and had more than enough power to get into trouble. My mates all went straight to 1000cc or bigger sports bikes. Some of which almost died shortly after buying the bike! Way to many people think even a 600cc bike is slow!
Similar background here. I think that is the way to do it. Learn the dirt, then the road. And start out on wispy and wimpy, until you learn to control the weight and power of the bike.
This video is amazing! Not only does this video apply to 1k’s but also 600’s. This is a complete culmination of all the things I want to tell someone that wants to get their first bike. I have always advocated for smaller bikes because they are more forgiving, but never really could figured out what made them more forgiving as far as “less power.” My first bike was a 22 ninja 400 (now stunted) and seven months later I felt I out grew it, so I bought a 2008 R6S because I knew a 1k would be too much for me. I quickly realized how much BIGGER 1k’s are, I was able to have good throttle control over my R6 but there were still rare moments (even in the year and a half I owned it) where I forgot how much pull the bike had and ended up having a small whisky throttle. Always wanted an H2 but I knew I would never ride it because of how much power it has. Recently sold my R6 for a 15 Fz-07, absolute blast! I love the low end torque, but I can’t lie, I really miss that high end power and the sound of a screaming 6. All the best to you man! Hope to continue to see this channel grow!
1ks Bigger…how so? The GSXR s I’ve had (had many, all sizes multiple years and models) (same with other brands of sport bikes), the 600, 750, and 1ks were all pretty much identical sizes, and aside for a dozen pounds here and there, or an inch or two in height, all weighed about the same. I don’t follow!
I'm into motorcycles because of the capabilities of the machines and the way they force my mind to focus on riding. It's really therapeutic for me to be so immersed in the finer points of my riding technique. My current ride is a Tuono 660 with 100hp, but your video lends me to think I'd really enjoy the bigger Tuono!
Ride your 660 for awhile, and then move up to the big one. You will like it. Do a GP exhaust and a tune. Tuono V4 is the best sounding engine you can buy, when you do the GP exhaust.
I appreciate the feedback guys. Just so no one thinks I'm taking the decision lightly, I'm on my third season on my 660, and I have a couple track days and an advanced rider clinic under my belt on that bike. I am also considering moving to something "between" my bike and the V4, like one of the Street Triples, but until I decide I'm going to keep racking up track days and rider clinics.
@@JoshMeeks-b3lim excited for the day i get a 1k cc bike but also the idea of " lifting the front end " under accereration at almost any gear or rpm is wild. I will try to save money up and learn how to wheelie on my 2006 zx6r 636 before i look to upgrade now that the rest of my riding skills are much better
Interesting demo indeed, thanks. Actually confirms my suspicions. I've been riding for 20 years and still won't go near such an excellent but unforgiving machine. Happy with my torque-before-power Triumph Street Twin which is very easy to ride and still faster than I ever want to go.
40 years riding, the last 2 years on a litre bike. Along the way, I owned GPZ900R, CBX, KZ1300 and 20 others. A litre bike is easy to ride, fast and slow. The difference is, for a rider with low skill. You will get to a speed where you need extreme skill, in under 10 seconds. The bike doesn't know who is riding, it just reacts to input. You can go from 0 to dead in under 2 breaths, don't make them your last.
Me and my friend bought our first bikes together, and we both did our licence together as well. I only did the A2 Licence (in the UK allows you to ride up 47 bhp) he did his full A Licence (ride a bike of any bhp you want). I'm not into big bikes or sports bikes. I like retro looking cafe cruisers. Following me passing my A2 and him passing his A, we went to a dealership together to buy our bikes. I already had my mind set before I'd even learnt to ride and went home with an amazing Honda CL500. My friend, on the other hand, is the opposite to me he adores sports bikes and the idea of riding track days eventually. After some searching around, he found a Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade. It was an older bike (2012) but had been used as a display piece at this patricular dealer, so it had very low miles on it. The dealer seemed happy to sell it to him. However, I was very sceptical. I didn't like the idea of him jumping right on a superbike. A couple of weeks go bye and due to poor weather we aren't really able to ride our bikes together. (I used my CL500 regularly throughout this time as it's great in all weather) My mates honda, however, didn't enjoy the wet, so he stayed of it. Following this two week pause, we went out for our first big ride together. I ride to his house, and we set off and zero word of a lie he bins it on the first roundabout right in front of me. He was unharmed, but the bike was written off. He literally rode it twice one time to ride it home and then again when he binned it. He slightly added too much power when conering, and it slid out from underneath him. He's since bought himself a Royal Enfield Classic 350 and has lost all interest in riding superbikes and even trackdays (the crash shook him up). Me and him just enjoy heading to the british superbikes on our machines now. The moral of the story folks is don't buy a 1000cc monster as your first bike, start small and work your way up.
@aliray7979 That would be fine, mate, as it's more of a naked bike than a sports bike. It's not really about engine size. To be honest, it's all about BHP and how the bike handles. Sports bikes are more difficult to control and require a different riding style. We both have got rid of the Royal Enfields due to various quality control issues. I've got a Honda CL500, and he's got a Kawasaki Z650 RS.
I just got myself a CFmoto 450ss which is of course 450cc. I'm a new rider, and got a lotta back talk about not getting a 600 or 1000 from folks. I loved your video a ton man, and this is what I figured when I was out lookin' for bikes. lol. Glad someone really showed and explained it, perfect video. I'm happy with my choice, later on i'll move up of course, but for now i'm content with it. Cheers man.
I've only ever ridden 1000cc sportbikes, but the first time I ever hit the throttle stop and left it there was on a racetrack. It was slightly terrifying. Now I only ride track.
Bought my first street bike last year, 07 cbr1000. These were all great points to consider for anyone shopping for theirs. It’s manageable as long as you respect it at all times, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right bike for you…it is very specifically for someone that wants to be in attack mode all day IMO.
I love my 'little' 650cc V2 naked bike. I've notice mistakes when I make them while riding, but the bike is forgiving. The other thing is that for beginner riders it is needed to practice shifting between gears and not just changing between 1st and 2nd gear.
This is excellent insight man. You cover all the small details to riding that I picked up in the process in of learning that I just never saw anywhere else, and it’s cool to see those little details amped up to the extreme on the GSXR. Keep it up.
Tried my dad's BMW R1100 R. I rode it for 5 minutes and came back, put it in the barn and got back on my Triumph Bonneville and decided to never touch that BMW again. 1100cc is terrifyingly powerful.
It's nice to see someone countering the all-too-common narrative that starting out on a 1000cc is an immediate death sentence. Of course the margin for error is much smaller than on smaller bikes, but that's obviously to be expected when going up in power. Just be careful, use any driver aids that your bike may have available to you (like a "B mode" or rain mode, wheelie control, etc.), and exercise a little bit of self-control and you'll be fine.
Changing the class from naked to sport-touring or super sport needs a complete skill upgrade. Had a 600 Fazer and changed to a VFR800 - it was scary and uncomfortable that my so embedded skills were useless regarding the size, the class, and handling of the bike... Had to learn a new set of skills, research and practice alot. Your content is amazing debunking many myths about motorcycling and big cc engine bikes - the rider's skills are the ones that matter first. 👏👏👏🏍️
Great point bringing up the different classes. Are a 1000cc supersport and a 1000 cc sports tourer both going to demand the equal amount of alertness? Not in my.books. A supersport is a razor sharp scalpel and a sports tourer is a utility knife. Both will cut you, but that scalpel is ALWAYS ready to mess you up.
I had a VFR800 and loved how smooth it was. Made a mistake and sold it. Now have a SV1000s and it does my head in. But it's more fun. I'm 80 this year.
True, each time you progress to a different class or cc, you need to repeat all the practice drills you already did. You always start from 0. Take all the same courses again.
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and I really liked it. The only thing I think you could have added would be a discussion of how fast that bike goes full throttle in first gear. I think that’s a wake up call for people as well. Keep up the good work.
Watching this even though I'm going to be on a 125 for the next good while but still awesome to see an in depth explanation about how big these bikes really are, great content!
The exponential power curve of these bikes is not noob friendly. I just started riding and I’m so glad I got a smaller bike with a nice linear power curve. It’s made it a lot easier to focus on the fundamentals rather then omg I’m going to die.
Nice detailed video. Been riding street since the late 80s, dirt since I was a kid in the 70s. Sold my liter bike last year as I never rode it much, as I spend most of my time on my Super Tenere. Ya, I went from sport bike guy to an ADV dork, but hey, at least I'm not on a bagger, that will have to wait until I hit 70! What I turned into as a rider is described perfectly at 8:38 which is aided and abetted by having cruise control. I live in Colorado and there are cool far away places to see, and a big comfy ADV bike with a big tank for long range is great for that. Liter bikes are great for experienced riders due to their broad powerbands - they effortlessly thrust around at casual RPM and that is awesome. Liter bikes are bad for new riders due to their broad powerbands as the video explains so well. Liter class bikes on the cam are ferocious things that can't really be contained on the confines on the street. I did a few track days on my sport bike, that was an eye opener when it came to what the bike was casually capable of. Still riding a KTM 300 XC dirt bike, that keeps me sharp on the street. Bought a Husky 701 Enduro to replace my sport bike last year. Being a hooligan, I might be in more trouble on the big thumper. It is Rottweiler tuned, and it does wheelies, lots of wheelies, and being a dirt biker I am powerless to resist. I am so screwed - was safer from the cops on my sport bike 😆
Great video the exact points u said about being lazy and not fully focused is what caused me to crash my 2024 gsxr 750. The other day. U really have to lock in on any sports bike !!! Great video 👍🏿
This is great. Exactly what I would expect and yet people keep recommending me 1000cc bikes as my first. Watching this confirms my believe that I'll be much more comfortable on a 650 and have way more fun. Thank you!
Don't let people talk you out of that 650 saying it'll bore you or they're too slow either, wonderful class of bike with way more punch and capability than the "influencer" crowd will ever admit to
@@skyoom1 I'm probably not getting it brand new, so it depends on whats available, but I'd prefer the black/green (pearl storm green) or the white/green (pearl blizzard white) :)
I started on a FZ-07, and within 6 months I had ridden a Hayabusa. I had some interesting moments on the FZ07 as it was, and I wouldn't recommend people start on something more powerful. I do love riding liter bikes though. PS. You hit some important points man. Great job.
I think it's because you're going into detail about a lot of things other videos just brush over. Id love to hear you talk about the differences between a 600 and a thousand
Liter bikes are not dangerous for beginners because of how fast they can go but because of how fast they can climb speeds and how little input needed so they could start climbing
Amazing job. People who have never ridden a supersport or superbike will actually benefit from your videos. This level of insight is shockingly rare. Sadly 99% of videos on these bikes only go as far as screaming while at half throttle below their power band as a means to convince people that only serious track riders should touch them.
Hello from Manchester, England. I was probably about 10 years into my riding career before getting my first litre bike. Since then, I've had a few Fireblades, and a couple of RC51's (they take some mastering!). However, nowadays, I'm back with small bikes. I've a Honda CRF300L, and an SV650. The reasons? Primarily because I don't ride trackdays anymore, plus they are just too frustrating for me on the road. So much power, you never get the chance here to wind them up. Too many traffic police, average speed cameras and dashcam warriors around also. For me, it's simply more fun now to ring the neck of a slow bike on the back roads....!
I have an S1000R (naked) and agree 100%, there's a huge difference between a liter super sport and a liter naked... I also have 30 years experience in the saddle. A big naked can be ridden very aggressively, or just lazily lugged around town and still be fun. I started on a 500 )a million years ago), then a 700, then a 750, then a 1050 triple which I still own, now this bike and I also have a 125 Grom in garage. Small bikes are still a blast, but my 1000cc naked w some aftermarket wind protection is just a great do anything bike. Super sports are much too task specific to be every day riders IMHO.
I didn't know this channel existed until this video showed up as a UA-cam recommendation. I am so glad it did. It wasn't a ramble, it was a helpful insight, explanation and demonstration. Liked and Subscribed!
I think what you said about being attentive is what makes them a bad idea for beginners. The margin for error is the problem. 1000cc are heavier than a 300cc or 400cc motorcycles but not drastically. The power increase to a 1000cc motorcycle is drastically different though. Obviously, starting on a 1000cc motorcycle isn't impossible, it's just increases the risk that most people aren't ready for. I have a 2022 Z900 (948cc). It's my 1st bike. I bought it brand new, and I have about 11k miles on the bike. I trusted myself to not take the power and weight of that bike for granted, and I've been good so far. At the end of the day, I think riders have genuine care for the safety of other riders. Either way, you made excellent points in your video, so thank you. Continue to be safe out there 👊🏾. Side note: what kind of gloves are you wearing?
Exactly I noticed that I was progressing really slow on my MT07 because I was just programmed to be careful on everything so I never understood the limit of riding and sometimes even become too safe that I lost confidence in making a turn or things like that. Most people think its being "safe" but its more about being attentive, having good judgement and taking action before its too late. "Respecting the throttle" dosen't really do shit because all you're doing is being mindful of the bike instead of scanning your environment. When you need to hard brake until you stoppie you'll freeze and crash because you haven't got the experience or not ready for the situation.
I’ve been riding for over 20 years, and every time I teach a first timer, they are scared. Not because of the bike, but because some fool took them for a ride and scared the shit out of them for fun. Proper education and nothing about a motorcycle is dangerous. Stupidity and ignorance is the danger. I’m happy to finally see someone willing to put the time into education. Thank you.
I can die in a recliner at home. Why add a motor? Superbikes is what motorcycles tried to be from their first iterations, hence people souping up their old bikes
Absolutely correct on the level of attentiveness needed. I had a BMW K1200S. It was scary powerful and scary fast and I loved it. DO NOT underestimate their power.
What a LEGIT educational tidbit? I'm glad you come from a pro perspective and I appreciate my newfound awareness of what exactly scares me about these bikes. 100% of attention & focus is the minimum safe zone. 9MPH (13 MPH was my guess) is thoroughly doable. But, add the twitch & up & over you go! (Ax me how I know!) Am I capable of riding one? Yes, but I choose NOT too for a variety of reasons (enjoyment?) A lot of work but completely satisfying when done well! Day to day, 900cc's seems to be just right. 100Hp/50+ ft./Lbs. seems to be enough for a spirited ride w/o the demands of 80% focus & once settled in- even less is needed! What a great way to face the concerns, address the risk, identify the twitch risk, etc & so forth! Well done.
I would not recommend a new rider to a 1000cc super bike. The level of self control and experience required is no joke. Sure new bikes have riding modes but what about the older models most people would likely buy given their affordability? Yes you can drive it slow but that’s not the issue… resisting the power is the problem. Accidentally bumping the throttle could throw you off or skid the back out. Yes 100% attention and awareness are crucial at all times and a lot of people aren’t that capable. I love super bikes and have 2 myself. But I didn’t start on a 1000cc. 600cc is what I started on which still I don’t recommend to everyone. Driving skill and awareness is critical and if you struggle in a car then probably don’t start on a supersport. Great video putting the dangers into perspective. Main advice: if you’re unaware of surrounding traffic and road conditions you should not start on such a powerful machine. I’ve almost been bucked a few times from bumps myself but haven’t gone down yet knock on wood😂 I have 11 years riding experience on supersport class bikes and mainly ride my tuned concours14 that does 185mph+ at 670lbs… a heavy supersport!
Granted I rode dirt bikes off road from about the time I learned to walk, but my first street bike was a heavily modified ZX-9 that put down in the mid 140s to wheels so around 165-170 crank hp. Not far from modern liters. I moved to a zx12 and then back down through a series of zx10s and other various liter bikes. Yes liter bikes are crazy fast, even bone stock. Yes you can get into danger quickly. Starting small to me doesn't help you out here. All the people I've ridden with over the years showed me that most people don't have any common sense, and lack any respect and fear for their motorcycles. I had a proper level of fear and respect for my sport bikes from my very first ride so I've never had any issues. These people whether they are riding an R3 or an R1 are going to get into bad scenarios regardless since they lack this basic respect. Moral of the story, if you want to get into a modern liter bike whether you're green or seasoned, if you're missing that respect its going to likely end badly. He also makes a great point here about panicking and disrupting the suspension. This is a very important point as well, but for ALL riders regardless of bike style or power.
I got my first 1000cc bike at age 42, a 2005 carbureted Yamaha FZ1, I rode it for the first time after I purchased it! I was instantly hooked! I’ve since had a Kawasaki ZX14 a Honda CBR1000rr , a Triumph 675r, a BMW S1000rr and my current bike, at age 60 is a BMW S1000r,probably my last bike, and I absolutely love it, with riding modes from docile to manic! Modern, fuel injected bikes are very rideable for most experienced riders. I don’t see the need for 600cc RR bikes with today’s technology, just my humble opinion. By the way my favorite is split between the Honda and the S1000rr.
My first bike was a 100hp 600cc sportbike. No issues at all, went on daytrips to France and back in a day (speed didn't drop below 100mph). After 4-5 years a 135hp 1000cc supersport. I admit I didn't keep practicing things like street U-turns, didn't need it much. But I just stayed defensive while riding, kept it easy, and stayed within the limits of the bike. No 'grandma riding' at all, but adapted to the traffic and road conditions at hand. If in doubt about an action, didn't do it. Crawled through city traffic (no fun with the long first gear, but still), speedy highways, filtered traffic jams, carved twisty roads on weekends in Germany...Never had issues. Nowadays a 750cc and a 1200cc that are a bit more relaxed geometrically (retro bikes), I appreciate a more relaxed riding style over speedy riding, but there's still an itch whenever I see those tasty supersports :-)
I bought a Moto Morini 125 recently. I just want to enjoy local riding but have no experience of bikes. Honestly it feels fast enough to me! Great video.
Very well presented demonstration. I've been driving manual transmission cars for the past 12 years or so, and I love the engagement whilst driving. I dont understand why people would want a DCT/automatic when owning a sports car--it takes all of the fun and skill out of driving, IMO. I've been researching bikes for the past several months and I'm considering getting an R7 for my first bike. It seems like the sweet spot for a street bike, IMO, and I love the torque/power curve it has, especially for the streets. I may consider getting a 600 at some point afterwards, but I think that's as far as I'll go. Perhaps I may change my mind over time, but I think I'll be content with the R7 for quite a while lol. Again, fantastic video. It really puts into perspective how powerful liter bikes are to those that already don't understand. I already knew they were like this, but like many people have said, I've really never seen anyone demonstrate it this way on UA-cam. I think a lot of people that intended on buying liter bikes are reevaluating that decision after watching this video.
Started with an 01 cbr600f4i. Then went to an 04 zx10. Added a 954. Then went sp2. With a gsxr1000 after and then back to another 04 zx10. Never tracked any of them. Only street. Now after 10 years on the same bike I’m ready to move on…it’ll be a speed triple or supermotard. Great vid. And people don’t forget…the perfect number of bikes is…..one more.
Bought a GSXR 1000 as my 1st bike, never rode anything other than a bicycle before. Hopped on and yes it’s crazy but as long as you know your limits it’s an amazing 1st bike. The power isn’t scary until you get into throttle and the suspension and brakes give real confidence cruising around and pushing the bike
I have a dyna superglide 1340 and used to have a gsxr750, and a spotrster 1200. Just bought a 2024 cbr1000rr and you are absolutely right about everything you say. They must be respected as I’ve always been taught, but the power can get you out of trouble as much as it can get you into it. They are streetable if you have the strength and awareness. Also helps to be confident and familiar with your equipment, suspension settings, brakes, control adjustments and riding maps if you have them.
Excellent points made. People think they can just ride anything. I made the same mistake in 2010, I went and bought a '09 Honda 450R dirt bike because "I liked to ride" and it was horrible. It was so stupid quick, it felt like it was powered by C4 and rocket fuel. It was just stupid responsive and felt like it was trying to murder you all of the time ( no selectable maps). I kept it for 2 months and rode it for maybe 4 hours before selling it back to the guy I bought it from. Even paid him $100 to come get it. Bikes have gotten so insanely powerful that you really need to research and ride before buying. I will never own another 450 dirt bike or likely ride one. Take care.
I actually prefer driving the shit out of a smaller bike than sit on a big supersport being scared to give too much throttle in the wrong situation. I had a RD(RZ)350Ypvs back in the days, kept it for many years. Cant explain how fun those 60hp was, only the people that haad one knows :) Tried bigger bikes but it was not good for my blood pressure 😂
Im just over 2 years on 2 wheels. I moved up from a cbr250 to a gaxs750 last year and it is a WORLD of difference. My wife learned and started on a r6. B4 i met her, She eventually totalled it but walked away. She encouraged me to start small and work my way up. Glad i did. 750cc is all i need. Couldnt imagine riding a 600/1000cc... yet. And if i never do, thats cool.
All 4 of the motorcycle’s I’ve owned have been 1000cc’s. 03 SV1000s, 05 zx10r, 06 GSXR 1000, & 2017 zx10r. You just have to respect them, respect them as in learn all the specific details of braking, cornering, being smooth & loose on the controls, & keep your eyes on EVERYTHING. Do that & you’ll be good. The clutch ups & dragging knees/elbows will come much much later especially starting on a liter bike.
The amount of views this video has shows peoples mindset. Everybody wants the biggest and baddest bike. I would have thought the video on Ergos would have had more views. Keep up the good work. Love to see the growth
100% agreed, they do take attention and some skill to ride comfortably. As a MSF coach for many years, I can tell you that the issue is when an inexperienced rider is presented with an emergency situation. They do not have the skills or fine motor control to avoid "grabbing" and handful of brake or throttle while operating the bars and body position properly to control the power. No shame or lack of fun with a smaller bike.
You have a valid point. Absolutely. However. There is something to be said in having discipline, and not having to ever bother upgrading and just having the fastest bike from the start. I haven't ridden in 20 years and just bought a 1000cc. Doing fine. I know that I won't be able to handle the bike fully for years, and I understand that.
Wow excellent points. I've never heard that argument of its a bike that will focus all of your attention to it. The power is there like you said, but if requires a rider who is willing to accept they're going to be busy with their own attention span rather than how hard they can hang on. Cool shit, man. Thanks for this
what a great video, I started riding motobikes when i was a young boy and then transferred to street three or so years ago. Bought a klx300sm and it was the best purchase i could have made for my first street bike. Of course i wanted to go fast but something small to learn the feel of the street, riding, turning, braking, counter-steering on instinct was a life or death decision in hindsight. Got a gsxr 750 now and i can only imagine a liter bike on the road. You're playing a totally different ballgame riding that 750 around vs the supermoto. Absolutely excellent video, thank you for putting this into perspective. keep the content coming!!
very well said. apart from the "brain off easy rider" vs. "brain on racer" is a flase dichotomy. but it is still useful to get the point across that this beast requires a whole different level of concentration and honestly a fairly high skill floor as you point out.
Started with a ninja 400 for my first 2 years from 16-18 then onward ive had my Z1000. I absolutely love everything about my Z and have done everything to it i wish to. Ceramic breaks, flashed, yoshimura straight lipe exhaust everything. But with all this said its more important than anything that i systted with that 400 so i could fully learn what a bike can do before uograding and expanding my possibilities. I still remember my first reaction to my z1000 being astonished and amazed at what i had gotten feeling like i was holding onto the horns of a bull. Granted now ive gotten used to it and dream of getting an h2 but even now i still reccomend nobody to start with a 1000 as it legitimately will horribly injure you.
I've been riding a long time and been on many different bikes and this is the most well stated 1000cc super sport explanation I've ever heard. Very similar to explaining 450cc moto cross bikes to people just how crazy they are.
On bikes I appreciate less twitchy modes like “normal”that still give you the full hps and torque, to avoid involuntary inputs on imperfect roads. Yes, you don’t buy a monster to keep it tamed all the time, so you don’t buy a 1000 to ride it in rain mode when it’s not raining, but having linear progression on the throttle is my favorite setting. To me the thing that make bigger displacements dangerous for beginners is that you WILL inevitably find yourself too hot in a curve. When (non if, when) it happens, it’s way easier to have heavily misjudged your entry speed on bigger bikes, so it’s easier to learn to correct misjudgments on a bike that makes you arrive there slower and that’slighter and easier to correct. Also wider tires require more lean angle for the same curve, so the bigger tire the harder you gotta lean
I get it depends on what kind of bike you want, but i started on an 1800 valkyrie. Now im on a 1250 and im just super glad that i never took anyones advice and started on a smaller bike. Id only ever tell someone to get a smaller bike if it was a strength issue
Once watched someone posted himself riding a CBR1000RR Fireblade in gear 1 and up until it's max speed before needing to shift. It went from 0 to 148km/h (0 to 91mph) before hitting the limiter in just probably around 90 meters. 1000cc bikes are just different.
As a beginner rider, who decided to start on a 250CC despite everyone yelling id regret. Seeing this video makes me glad im learning to ride before im buying an actual rocket. TY sir
Regret is whiskey throttling a litre bike into the side of a tram at 35mph, one second after hitting a bump mid turn in a city street. Fun is learning to ride a bike that you're comfortable on, that you can make mistakes on without it or the law punishing you and that you can thrash a bit. In my country, when I first got my learner's permit, back in the days when dinosaurs were still considered a road hazard, we had a 250 restriction for learner and probationer riders. All these years later and I've never heard a single one of my piers say that they hated their 250 or that it wasn't fun. Quite the opposite, in fact. Enjoy.
One of greatest joy's of riding is opening the full throttle, whether you have to wait for the power or it is on instant,even greatest joy is to daily have a place to do it,with 250 the fun is guaranteed and fatal mistakes are more easly avoided.Always have a super bike as a second bike(or first,but then you have to have a second haha)
When I did my motorcycle license training, they had a tu250x for the first rides before upgrading you to the 650 the law requires you to take the test on. That little 250 was the most fun bike they had.
My first bike was a Honda CB 500 (PC32), I loved that thing so much. You could push it to the "limits" and go nearly full throttle in a corner without anything happening and what a nimble thing it was. Pretty happy with my bikes now but I still think foundly back to that time.
A 250 is just fun man. Its more fun to be fast on a slow bike, than slow on a fast one
I'm 72 years old and have ridden all capacity motorcycles regularly from 16 years old to 55 and never had a serious accident. This has given me a pretty good idea of how motorcycle performance has increased over the years. My last bike was a YZF R1, so I can't speak for how fast this model is now, but I assume it is a lot faster. I stopped riding at 55 because I knew my mind and body was not up to the task of riding a high perfomance modern motorcycle.I think this decision was a good one, but even younger people should ask themselves this same question. I still miss riding bikes but car drivers appear to have got a lot worse over the years in terms of ability and road sense, so I'll live with my decision.
As you watch this video!? There are plenty of "modern bikes" out there that aren't land missiles. You don't HAVE to live with it.
Get yourself a Harley Sportster and fall in love all over again with the friendliest rhino you ever met.
@@AudfileUsed to have a Harley approx 25 years ago. Can't remember the model but I think it was a 1250cc. Frightened me to death. No brakes to speak of and grounded out everywhere. I have actually considered buying a sporster bur again I worry about the brakes/handling.
@@rogerwilson6367 get an 883r. It's only 50 hp. Low center of gravity, low seat, just enough torque for a great solo up.
72 is not old.😃.At 72 i still ride a K1300S,K1200S and GSX1300R, just put your leg over the rest takes care of itself.
Anyone who turns their brain off while motorcycling might be in for a bad day, unless your on a single lane road out in the middle of nowhere, and thats assuming no animals jump out in front of you.
Yeap you never turn your brain off I think he meant that its less stress because a Sportbike is far more rigid and even a small bit of gravel sends the handling sketchy and twitchy. Where as a triumph tiger or gs can just ride through bad surface and you dont have to do anything the set up is made to ride thro all terrains. I think thats what he is getting at.
lol I turned off my brain when doing the most basic part turning it on lil gas clutch out roll away, well my brain dumped clutch and stalled then slowly dumped bike while over extending my leg to save it lol. The first time i've ever dumped my bike and in the dumbest way possible.
youve never rode a cruiser or goldwing lol. Brain off in the sense you don't have to worry about much because you're just riding with the flow of traffic
@@GunflameI don’t turn my brain off not even driving a car, to much idiots on the road
It's not turn off the brain. What he means is that as compared to the attention span of 1000 supersport, it is "like" a turn off the brain. Let's not nitpick
"It's better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow" - Marcus Aurelius
Considering that Marcus Aurelius lived and wrote in the first century AD, that advice is only going to get better and better
"If it jams, full send it. If you break the laws of physics, they needed to be replaced anyway"
- Murphy
It’s better to ride a fast bike fast
@@JohnCoates-l2oIt was originally about chariots.
@@SludgedBYes, but you don’t have the needed talent
Zero plans of starting on a 1000, and the first couple minutes of this video just solidified that. Barely moving your wrist and going 60 mph is crazy.
Wise man👍🏻 60mph that too in a controlled situation just think about an inexperienced guy jumping on this ...he would be signing his death warrant basically the first gears are really tall in these bikes they go upto 90-100mph that too very rapidly.
i just did the msf course 2 weeks ago i learned and passed the class on a 250cc bike ! i bought a 1100cc bike bmw sport cruiser bike right after . you can definitely go fast if you want to !
but u can also cruise i went riding with some honda groms and they dusted me lol i was crusing with the guys on the scooters 😂 but if i wanted to i coulldve left em all in the dust
@@chokeeartist More power to you, but absolutely not something I'm going to do
@@AllTheRamenOnTheSky riding has alot to do with confidence. it sounds like u lack confidence in your riding ability/ just dont pull the throttle all the way if ur scared of going fast ( plus u need to be in like 3rd gear+ to get to any fastt speeed so just stay in second lol just keep riding and youll gain confidence . but if ur not confident dont hop on it . piece and
@@chokeeartist There's also a thing called over confidence... Which it sounds like you have.
I started at 19 years old with a Yamaha fzr1000. First time I'd ever ridden any kind of bike. Glad to still be around at 42 to tell the story!
i started at 17 on a gsxr 1000, i honsedtly belive that the best way to stay alive for an extended period of time as a rider is to start on a bike that you are forced to respect, it teaches you so many lessons about riding that you cant learn on a 400cc "beginner" bike
@@c1fi364 I highly doubt anyone at 17 had or will have the emotional maturity to be "gun shy" riding a literal bullet. The reason people preach starting small and gradually upgrading is that smaller bikes forgive mistakes due to performance restrictions. The reason you can get an over 400 cc license at 25 (at least where im from) is because you're expected to be more mature/responsible compared to your teens. Highly doubt a kid of 17 with a mind still ruled by his cock got any "lessons" of respect riding a GSXR 1000 of all bikes.
@@theopap6110well when I was young I still knew not to do shit that could kill me so I get what he’s saying
@@theopap6110there’s little kids in other countries riding 1000 bro…. It’s really not that unbelievable
The smooth power delivery of the FZR1000 Genesis is quite unlike any other 1000 I have had, super smooth and easy to ride, the Kwak ZX9 for example of the same vintage has an animal powerband in comparison..??
I have a feeling this channel is going to blow up. This guy is hitting ALL the tiny, relevant details that, out of the millions of moto instruction videos, NOBODY is talking about. It's fantastic.
Means a lot man truly, thank you!!
Exactly man
@@skyoom12 amazing vids in a row! i appreciate your commitment! consistency is king. thanks for the smart tips. you might have saved a life! or a bike at the least.
Yeap, covering things that clearly he thinks about deeply himself and shares his thoughts with practical demo.
It's probably because this is a no nonsense content. Most content these days are just clickbait poor quality videos supporting people's bias on one thing/ego posting. This video is just19 minutes straight facts.
I don't think people realize how the slightest bump of the throttle generates raw power so quickly. This is the best explanation of why TOO or NOT too buy one.
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I have a 200cc 😂. I can hit about 70. I THOUGHT I wanted a 1000. Thank u . Now Im going to either a 4 or 600. Too much power. On a small cc , a small mistake may not be that costly. On a 1000, a small mistake can be the difference between existing or ceasing to exist. Thank u good sir. Might've saved my life and others. This deserves a sub.
Depending on your skill and how long you've been riding, jumping to a 1000+ isn't outside reality. You'd probably do just fine. Just remember that you have to be on your A game 100% of the time or the consequences could be very dire.
Try a R3 or Ninja 300.
@@jimstenlund6017 i can't recommend an r3 or a ninja 400 enough i have an R3 but ive ridden a ninja 400 and i wouldn't trade my R3 for a ninja 400
ZX4RR is also an option now, if a Ninja 400 or R3 doesn't cut it for you
A 400cc sports bike is the way to go tbh,zx4 rr seems perfect 👌 my rvf 400 was my favorite bike because you can drive it on feel like a racer but are not hitting crazy speeds instantly
I've had 5 bikes in 6 years riding time. My first 3 motorcycles were all supersports. I started out on a CBR600F. After like 2 years of riding (20k miles) I thought it was time to buy a 1000. So I bought a CBR1000RR (2012) as well. I adjusted to it quite quickly and it was fun for the time. I was so in love with the looks of it, it was my dream bike. Even though I loved the bike I sold it within 3-4 months. Why? Because I realised I could never use all of that power. But what I also noticed during these months, the bike didn't feel as nimble as the 600. Cornering and roundabouts took more effort to take. Riding it felt in many cases so restricted, where as on the 600 it felt like a feather in the wind. So after that I bought a CBR600RR, and many people thought I was crazy for doing that. To this day I still love the 1000cc bikes, and who knows I might buy one again someday. But definitely not as a bike i'd daily ride.
As some one that just went from an R6 to and R1, I thought I was never going to sell my r6, and this doesn't go for everyone, as a tall rider it was just too uncomfortable for me, not even the power (I've own a zx6r, still have a cbr600rr) the r1 I felt the most at home on and comfortable knee position is a lot better too, added bonus is the power, I just like feeling it even knowing I can't use it all
I have a nightster 946cc. I would like to know how it compares to. 600 or a 1000 since it seems (to me) a very powerful machine, tho the power should be wisely kept to straight roads.
as someone who rides all manner of bikes and atvs, from 350 pound 400ccs to 600 or 700 pound harleys, they mostly feel the same to me wether going fast or cornering, i think you need to spend less time talking about how hard it is to corner a litre bike and more time practicing your riding, because they arent that much different when you dont suck at riding them.
Not even in the same domain. A 1K is WAY faster.@@williamtaittinger4529
@c1fi364 You sound like a clown bud.
Nobody should take advice from a guy that can't notice the clear differences between how certain bikes behave.
I’ve been riding since I was 4-5 years old, I’m glad someone is giving proper advice without trying to sell something. Always wanted a 1000cc but no one could explain exactly what you did to me.
Bro lol… if you been riding since u we’re 4 or 5 and still haven’t jumped on a 1000cc then what are u doing… Don’t be afraid, be confident. If you have the experience riding since 4 years old you could easily jump on any bike u wanted. I been riding since I was about 8 or 9 and the only bike I’ve jumped on tht had “to much power” was a very early 2000s 250cc that just had insane torque everything after market..and the bike was stupid light. But I’ve jumped on 1000cc street bikes tht will never compare street bikes is a cake walk compared to a torquey ass dirtbike that is half the weight.. I’m no pro rider I don’t even wheelie but I got confidence on handling pretty much any bike.. if u know how to ride u can ride anything u want fr..
@@HanJukes Typical dick measuring. I've been riding for nearly 30yrs and never felt the desire to buy a liter bike. 600 class is all around far more useable and fun. There's no such thing as "outgrowing them" unless you are a professional racer.
@@HanJukes although I agree with you, its good that people should know their limits. if he been riding his whole life and still doesn't want a 1000 then he is probably correct on his judgement. know thyself lol. I feel like the video creator is over exaggerating on the powerband, but then again there's a lot of dipshits out there. I've also only driven a cbr1000 as a sportbike ( started on a cruiser) so maybe his gxr 1000 is way more powerful/sensitive, I've never tried.
@@HanJukesunless he's going to the racetrack there is literally no reason for him to own a 1000cc bike. The one other exception would be if he's wanting to ride with a passenger plus a crap ton of cargo.
@@HanJukeshes 14 i guess
Absolutely terrific content for beginner riders - bravo!
Totally agree. I’m a re-learner (or hopefully will be) after 30 years off a bike. I’m not big enough to own a 1000cc and would never take something like this on but even if I was foolish enough to dream this has been very very instructive.
Thank you. 🙏
In the first minute or two I thought you were about to go in the other direction, and was getting pissed off. Glad I kept watching because you hit the nail right on the head with this one boss. Great way of putting things into perspective for people that normally can't understand without actually trying it
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After a few years riding VFR800's, I was riding a 900cc Fireblade accelerating to 70km/h away from traffic lights on a 6 lane road with a slight bend when a car going in the opposite direction initiated an illegal U-turn and stopped blocking most of my lane because they saw me coming.
I panicked because it was a nightmare event and I was utterly stunned.
As you are explaining my skill level was insufficient. My body position changed, I imagine I instinctively stomped on the rear brake like I was driving a car. Certainly as you say I 'disrupted' the suspension. I couldn't get the weight of the bike onto the front wheel to achieve the necessary disc braking. I also wasn't able to see that if I could get my eyes off the car and it stayed stopped, I could go around it. But in those few moments it was too much and I had no time to think and I skidded my way into a direct collision with the front fender/pillar.
Smashed, handle bar slammed into tank, bike went down and sideways while I went over and bounced and spun to the far kerbside. Major injuries, thigh degloved, back arched, couldn't see with eyes screw shut, people on their way to work keeping me be calm and not try to move, thought I was going to die while waiting for ambulance, terrifying pain being lifted onto a stretcher, surgeries, prolonged rehab and specialist appointments and breakdowns, lifelong effects, chronic pain, fatigue, depression.
I had always worn boots and gloves (and helmet of course) and a kevlar glove is why I had a repairable thumb. My right boot may have prevented my femur, pelvis and sciatic nerve from worse destruction, prevented worse wedging of my vertebrae and perhaps prevented a deadly internal arterial bleed. I have to assume my helmet prevented a traumatic brain injury at least. I wore a vest that day rather than my leather jacket and maybe I could have avoided a little of the liver laceration that almost killed me.
It's been 18 years since the crash. I didn't get back on a bike because I said I was too grateful to all the people that had helped me get through all of that. Not least my girlfriend who I married once I was mostly recovered.
But there were other things too. I was a very attentive rider and pretty good at reading traffic but I now knew that very unpredictable things could happen and I didn't have the skills of someone who did advanced riding courses and regularly rode at the track. If I had I might have stopped in time or swerved around the vehicle.
I have to say your advice is spot on.
I've got 3 Motorbikes, a 535 cc Royal Enfield, a KTM RC 390 and a Honda 125. I'm 70 yrs old and my Favourite Bikes are on my X Box Series X Isle of Man Simulators !!! I can Ride very fast and never got hurt !!! And it's more Fun. (No Traffic Lights, Pot Holes, Traffic Jams or Car Drivers Pulling out in front of me ). And it Keeps my Brain Speeded Up !!!
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I fell in love with motorcycles because it gives me the same stimulus as flying a plane. It's so mentally active and when you accurately predict traffic and put yourself out of danger proactively, it feels like an achievement each time. That being said I love my RC390, banging gears to get up to 60 feels so fun every time. I'm planning on going for an S1000RR, and while I'm an extremely defensive and safe driver/rider, I feel like that amount of power being on tap gives no room for play in self-restraint or error (obviously more now with the computerized bikes.) This video was really a great reality check, thanks for this
Yeah I'm on a Ninja 400 right now, and I think I'd really be happiest with a 600 as I've heard you can have a similar chill riding experience to the little bikes when you keep the gears high and the revs low
@@36shadowboy I got a GSXF600 from 2001. bought it for 400euros. did my own maintenance for 100 euro. and new tires for 460 euro. Pretty cheap and reliable bike
Perhaps you could hire/borrow one (or something similar) before making the commitment. Faster and more powerful on a bike doesn't necessarily translate to more fun. It does for some, but not all. And going from something like your RC to the BMW isn't like going from a 152 to Vans RV7, it's like going from a Tiger Moth to an F18. It's a big step to take all at once.
You could well make the choice to take another step up the ladder before going for the all out 200hp bike. SV 650, R7 or even a super sport of some description.
Plenty of newer riders trade "up" from their "beginner" bike to their dream bike and before too long, they're regretting their decision. A mate of mine is in exactly that boat as we speak.
Don't get me wrong. Ultimately, the S1000rr might be the right bike for you. I'm not you and you're not me. I can't judge for you. But I wouldn't be surprised that if you hired one for a couple of days, you'd start looking elsewhere for your next bike.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Big thing is I was a BMW fanboy when it came to cars for a long time and I've wanted the s1000rr since 2014. I know it's probably not the bike that I think I'll love, but I'll only want to ride sport bikes for so long and during that time I gotta get the dream bike even for just a season
@@jacksonsingleton I get it. I really do.
This is exactly why lower power motorcycles are much more fun to ride. You still have to pay 100% attention to traffic/road situation, but you have much more forgiving control of the bike. And you can go full throtle and still be not too far from legal speed after few seconds of instead of liter monsters with which you would have gained speed that has nothing to do with safe riding on public roads (for you and others especially).
My Chinese 150 agrees with you !
@@jimstenlund6017 .. Inbetween coughing up pieces of engine.
@@HRRRRRDRRRRR No, mine is based on the Honda CG engine, it’s probably the most simple four-stroke single you can find. A guy in my Condor 150 FB group just put his up for sale with 23,000mi on it, still running.
@nohandlefound. Right, and I’m only imagining that it runs great, has both electric and kickstart…
I had a ZRX 1200, a mild bike compared to a 1000 cc Supersport, and I could be doing 60 mph in less than 4 seconds, and I could crack 100 mph in the 1/8 mile. I miss it.
Yep. I ride the "Old man's gixxer", a GSXS1000GT+, and I fall in the "cruiser" category, but when the time is right, it can go full on Gixxer mode. After a few thousand miles, I ride it exclusively in "A" mode, but it has a few things the GSXR doesn't. One is the low speed clutch assist. It really helps in low speed handling, especially when one learns how to use rear brake and clutch feathering for control. Of course, the steering geometry and seating position are different, but what remains the same is that when you grab a handful of throttle, the horizon comes at you VERY fast. Even on a liter class sport tourer, one must have all of their riding wits about them, as it is still a very powerful motorcycle. But, for around town and daily riding, it's quite civilized, just practice judicious use of the throttle.
I love absolutely adore those bikes
im really considering the GT, I have an FZ1, and it falls flat compared to new bikes after 100mph, How does the GT stack up in a real world with new bikes?
@panrak123 considering that the model debuted in 2022, it's still contemporary. Keep in mind that the GT, the GSXS naked and the Katana are essentially the same machine with different plastics. I went with the GT +, as for a few hundred dollars you get the panniers that cost over a thousand as an add on. Plus, without the bags and with the very well designed front fairing, as one wag put it, it looks like it's "all tits and no ass". As for handling at speed, I found myself one time passing on the highway, looking at the speedo reading 110 and didn't realize it, the acceleration was so smooth in 6th gear, and the fairing is so good there was no real increase in turbulence.
I'm learning on a 250 and I do understand why I could have gone bigger but this video puts into perspective the difference in how the bikes react to the smallest of inputs much appreciated man
In 2012 I started out on a 1000cc (2002 Yamaha R1) with a graves 1056cc big bore motor in it that came out of a homoligated road race bike. I never went down on it and havent been down once since I started riding. Not saying it won't ever happen because its not a matter of if , its a matter of when. The key is to respect the power the motorcycle has, dont ride like an idiot, be aware of your surroundings, dont ride outside of your comfort zone or experience level, dont push yourself to keep up with reckless or more experienced riders, and always wear proper gear (helmet, jacket. Gloves, pants, boots). Staying fit and keeping your reflexes in top shape does help a lot with reaction times well. Sure you can open the throttle up here and there but dont do it when you shouldn't. Starting on a 1000cc isnt a bad thing, but it isn't for every rider.
Exactly. Respect the power, always. You do that, actually do that, and you'll be fine.
I just wanted to say, this is god sent. I was looking at upgrading to a 1000cc from a cb650r. I've been checking reviews on the 04-08 cbr1000rr, 02-2011 R1s and 06-10 zx10r. Never have i come across the insight of what a 1000cc actually requires from the rider. Thank you for sharing this valuable lesson. I would say my experience is adequate.. i think i should stay on the cb650r awhile longer and really prepare for a 1000cc. Thank you so much again!
I just subbed to the channel ❤
Far as I'm concerned that cbr650r is one of the prettiest bikes ever produced and a bike I view extremely highly of. Definitely not a bad bike to keep around for a while longer :)
@@skyoom1 cb650r neo cafè is such a pretty bike, but i was also thinking to trade it for a vstrom 650 because i ride all seasons in the UK and need comfort lol. I only wanted a 1000cc for just riding during them warm days
@@KppG-dn6zf sounds like 2 bikes may be the solution you're looking for haha
This is funny, I also have cb650r, and I’m about to upgrade to either - 15’ bmw s1000rr or the new cbr600rr 2024 . I’m in Ireland I mostly do short spins in the mountain and some commuting.
@@KppG-dn6zf The Trident 660 is a pretty nice bike too, and very fun to ride
The full-engagement dynamic of riding sport bikes is what pulled me into the life
I started on an 06 GSXR 1000 (been riding for a couple months), the 2 things I keep in mind is
1. Respect the bike
2. Be smooth.
I’m naturally a pretty decent driver, I’m always scanning for potential hazards, checking my mirrors, reading traffic, and understanding other drivers tendencies. So the focus when riding the bike kinda came natural to me, if anything it’s more fun since I have more control on my positioning and escape routes.
I absolutely love my bike and I know it’s bad to start on a 1000cc, but it was a gift from my dad (his old bike) so it was free and in great condition.
I don’t have the money to buy a cheap 300 then upgrade to a 400, then 500, then 600, I’m way too broke for all that.
I do speed, but it’s never like 186 through traffic, lane splitting and through turns and all that.
(Highest Ive been was 170mph WIDE OPEN road with no crossings or those u turn lanes on a highway and 0 cars. Hardly any traffic ever).
But even then, I hate speeding to that point because my cardo starts glitching out and it ruins my music.
I make sure to be cognizant of what I’m doing at all times. I listen to my gut feeling, I remain calm when some unexpected shit happens and I stay focused. I don’t doubt myself, but I don’t underestimate myself either. I’m on a bike, I feel free on the road, and I enjoy my time riding while I’m blasting music on my cardo. I take it as a blessing.
I truly love it.
I was like you too, I bought an MT07 and my experienced rider friends told me I would be a better rider if I started on a lower cc. Riding on the streets is really easy and yes you just need to be extra aware.
But People make mistakes like accidentally throttling after hitting a pothole or clutch in when turning then letting go or adding a little throttle whilst leaning. These are just mistakes beginners tend to make and if you start on a 400cc, its more forgiving.
Then you take it out on the twisties after 6 months and realize that you never understood the 1000cc's capabilities and either are going really slow or way too fast. Its just human, I came in the MSF thinking my experience with a smaller cc bike was enough but I learned so much I didn't knew. My advice is, if you're gonna buy that 1000cc, might wanna take some classes or really practice and understand the skills to riding and learn the bike's characteristics.
No Motogp rider has ever started straight in the top class being a rockstar of a rider. They all start at a beginner level and work they're way up. Now you think you're a better rider and can skip all that ?
That’s good you’re confident, just don’t let it turn to complacency. Always keep your head on a swivel, always. When you can get a smaller CC bike. You might enjoy it more because it’ll be a lot easier to ride
Here is a story to not overestimate your ability / underestimate physics: I started on a 125cc at 16 and I drove quite aggressive. Right before I was allowed to upgrade to a big sports bike, I barely evaded a fatal accident on my 125cc. I was cocky, overtook a slow car before a turn and promptly needed to fit between two cars to survive. That barely worked out and I was cured from speeding. I did not buy a big bike yet (I am mid 30s now).
To be fair, passing is safer with a quicker bike. You can get around and away from people much faster. Sounds like you should go get that liter bike to me 😉
Passing before a turn is retarded.
@@greenedout134OP’s problem was not the bike, it was judgement/ decision making.
The worst accidents I gotten into happened when i was riding smaller bikes, young and stupid.
I now ride a bike with 7 times as much hp as those earlier bikes, but It’s much safer now. Not because the bike is faster, but because I’m less stupid.
i've been riding liter bikes for about 20yrs. my MT10 was the first bike to ever "scare" me with its throttle response. doing about 75mph on an interstate at night - hit a bump which caused me to pull back a hair and the thing almost went out from underneath of me. had never experienced that level response before. it's still my favorite bike but i've got a whole new level of respect for the newer technology
After 25 years on Sports Bikes 600's have always been the sweet spot for me, Love that dual personality of flat low down and screaming top end.
If you have the skills this young bloke, is talking about and your body is fine with the seated position.
Get one, these bikes bring a smile to the dial every ride
there’s naked ones
hope this channels pops off, really good content so far
Honestly! I was surprised he only has a month or so of videos based on how high the quality and info is. Definitely earned a sub here
As a 10 year experience 1000cc rider from my 3rd month of riding, I was not surprised and agree 1000% with this quality video.
I love all manual trans cars, so I have no problem with these bike dialing you in all the time, but only for an hour at a time
I rode dirt bikes for years before getting my bike license and starting on the the tiny cbr125! That little bike was an absolute blast to ride other than low power. I went to a 600 gsxr which I absolutely loved and had more than enough power to get into trouble. My mates all went straight to 1000cc or bigger sports bikes. Some of which almost died shortly after buying the bike!
Way to many people think even a 600cc bike is slow!
Similar background here. I think that is the way to do it. Learn the dirt, then the road. And start out on wispy and wimpy, until you learn to control the weight and power of the bike.
This video is amazing! Not only does this video apply to 1k’s but also 600’s. This is a complete culmination of all the things I want to tell someone that wants to get their first bike. I have always advocated for smaller bikes because they are more forgiving, but never really could figured out what made them more forgiving as far as “less power.” My first bike was a 22 ninja 400 (now stunted) and seven months later I felt I out grew it, so I bought a 2008 R6S because I knew a 1k would be too much for me. I quickly realized how much BIGGER 1k’s are, I was able to have good throttle control over my R6 but there were still rare moments (even in the year and a half I owned it) where I forgot how much pull the bike had and ended up having a small whisky throttle. Always wanted an H2 but I knew I would never ride it because of how much power it has. Recently sold my R6 for a 15 Fz-07, absolute blast! I love the low end torque, but I can’t lie, I really miss that high end power and the sound of a screaming 6. All the best to you man! Hope to continue to see this channel grow!
1ks Bigger…how so? The GSXR s I’ve had (had many, all sizes multiple years and models) (same with other brands of sport bikes), the 600, 750, and 1ks were all pretty much identical sizes, and aside for a dozen pounds here and there, or an inch or two in height, all weighed about the same. I don’t follow!
I'm into motorcycles because of the capabilities of the machines and the way they force my mind to focus on riding. It's really therapeutic for me to be so immersed in the finer points of my riding technique. My current ride is a Tuono 660 with 100hp, but your video lends me to think I'd really enjoy the bigger Tuono!
Ride your 660 for awhile, and then move up to the big one. You will like it. Do a GP exhaust and a tune. Tuono V4 is the best sounding engine you can buy, when you do the GP exhaust.
Take your time with the 660 the 1100 is an animal a light front end and it will 100% catch you out if you don't know what you're doing.
I appreciate the feedback guys. Just so no one thinks I'm taking the decision lightly, I'm on my third season on my 660, and I have a couple track days and an advanced rider clinic under my belt on that bike. I am also considering moving to something "between" my bike and the V4, like one of the Street Triples, but until I decide I'm going to keep racking up track days and rider clinics.
@@JoshMeeks-b3l Get the Tuono V4. You will like it.
@@JoshMeeks-b3lim excited for the day i get a 1k cc bike but also the idea of " lifting the front end " under accereration at almost any gear or rpm is wild. I will try to save money up and learn how to wheelie on my 2006 zx6r 636 before i look to upgrade now that the rest of my riding skills are much better
Interesting demo indeed, thanks. Actually confirms my suspicions. I've been riding for 20 years and still won't go near such an excellent but unforgiving machine. Happy with my torque-before-power Triumph Street Twin which is very easy to ride and still faster than I ever want to go.
40 years riding, the last 2 years on a litre bike. Along the way, I owned GPZ900R, CBX, KZ1300 and 20 others.
A litre bike is easy to ride, fast and slow. The difference is, for a rider with low skill. You will get to a speed where you need extreme skill, in under 10 seconds.
The bike doesn't know who is riding, it just reacts to input. You can go from 0 to dead in under 2 breaths, don't make them your last.
Me and my friend bought our first bikes together, and we both did our licence together as well. I only did the A2 Licence (in the UK allows you to ride up 47 bhp) he did his full A Licence (ride a bike of any bhp you want). I'm not into big bikes or sports bikes. I like retro looking cafe cruisers.
Following me passing my A2 and him passing his A, we went to a dealership together to buy our bikes. I already had my mind set before I'd even learnt to ride and went home with an amazing Honda CL500. My friend, on the other hand, is the opposite to me he adores sports bikes and the idea of riding track days eventually. After some searching around, he found a Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade. It was an older bike (2012) but had been used as a display piece at this patricular dealer, so it had very low miles on it. The dealer seemed happy to sell it to him. However, I was very sceptical. I didn't like the idea of him jumping right on a superbike. A couple of weeks go bye and due to poor weather we aren't really able to ride our bikes together. (I used my CL500 regularly throughout this time as it's great in all weather) My mates honda, however, didn't enjoy the wet, so he stayed of it. Following this two week pause, we went out for our first big ride together. I ride to his house, and we set off and zero word of a lie he bins it on the first roundabout right in front of me. He was unharmed, but the bike was written off. He literally rode it twice one time to ride it home and then again when he binned it. He slightly added too much power when conering, and it slid out from underneath him. He's since bought himself a Royal Enfield Classic 350 and has lost all interest in riding superbikes and even trackdays (the crash shook him up). Me and him just enjoy heading to the british superbikes on our machines now.
The moral of the story folks is don't buy a 1000cc monster as your first bike, start small and work your way up.
Thanks for this. Any thoughts on starting on something like a Honda CB650R?
@aliray7979 That would be fine, mate, as it's more of a naked bike than a sports bike. It's not really about engine size. To be honest, it's all about BHP and how the bike handles. Sports bikes are more difficult to control and require a different riding style. We both have got rid of the Royal Enfields due to various quality control issues. I've got a Honda CL500, and he's got a Kawasaki Z650 RS.
Ever grateful the AI landed me to your content. Bonus points for doing the video in the wet
I just got myself a CFmoto 450ss which is of course 450cc. I'm a new rider, and got a lotta back talk about not getting a 600 or 1000 from folks. I loved your video a ton man, and this is what I figured when I was out lookin' for bikes. lol. Glad someone really showed and explained it, perfect video. I'm happy with my choice, later on i'll move up of course, but for now i'm content with it. Cheers man.
I love the 1000cc super bikes. They’re the best. You’re right here. You must have excellent throttle control and you cannot take a break mentally.
I've only ever ridden 1000cc sportbikes, but the first time I ever hit the throttle stop and left it there was on a racetrack. It was slightly terrifying. Now I only ride track.
Bought my first street bike last year, 07 cbr1000. These were all great points to consider for anyone shopping for theirs. It’s manageable as long as you respect it at all times, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right bike for you…it is very specifically for someone that wants to be in attack mode all day IMO.
Most eye opening video I've seen. Switching from a 650 to a 600 this year and I think I'll be staying there for a few years.
Try a trackday!
I love my 'little' 650cc V2 naked bike. I've notice mistakes when I make them while riding, but the bike is forgiving. The other thing is that for beginner riders it is needed to practice shifting between gears and not just changing between 1st and 2nd gear.
Going from 650 to a 600 will be a huge jump in performance. You won’t get bored with the power either. Ride safe
This is excellent insight man. You cover all the small details to riding that I picked up in the process in of learning that I just never saw anywhere else, and it’s cool to see those little details amped up to the extreme on the GSXR. Keep it up.
Tried my dad's BMW R1100 R. I rode it for 5 minutes and came back, put it in the barn and got back on my Triumph Bonneville and decided to never touch that BMW again. 1100cc is terrifyingly powerful.
It's nice to see someone countering the all-too-common narrative that starting out on a 1000cc is an immediate death sentence. Of course the margin for error is much smaller than on smaller bikes, but that's obviously to be expected when going up in power.
Just be careful, use any driver aids that your bike may have available to you (like a "B mode" or rain mode, wheelie control, etc.), and exercise a little bit of self-control and you'll be fine.
Changing the class from naked to sport-touring or super sport needs a complete skill upgrade. Had a 600 Fazer and changed to a VFR800 - it was scary and uncomfortable that my so embedded skills were useless regarding the size, the class, and handling of the bike... Had to learn a new set of skills, research and practice alot. Your content is amazing debunking many myths about motorcycling and big cc engine bikes - the rider's skills are the ones that matter first. 👏👏👏🏍️
Great point bringing up the different classes.
Are a 1000cc supersport and a 1000 cc sports tourer both going to demand the equal amount of alertness?
Not in my.books. A supersport is a razor sharp scalpel and a sports tourer is a utility knife.
Both will cut you, but that scalpel is ALWAYS ready to mess you up.
I had a VFR800 and loved how smooth it was. Made a mistake and sold it. Now have a SV1000s and it does my head in. But it's more fun. I'm 80 this year.
True, each time you progress to a different class or cc, you need to repeat all the practice drills you already did. You always start from 0. Take all the same courses again.
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and I really liked it. The only thing I think you could have added would be a discussion of how fast that bike goes full throttle in first gear. I think that’s a wake up call for people as well. Keep up the good work.
Watching this even though I'm going to be on a 125 for the next good while but still awesome to see an in depth explanation about how big these bikes really are, great content!
The exponential power curve of these bikes is not noob friendly. I just started riding and I’m so glad I got a smaller bike with a nice linear power curve. It’s made it a lot easier to focus on the fundamentals rather then omg I’m going to die.
Nice detailed video.
Been riding street since the late 80s, dirt since I was a kid in the 70s. Sold my liter bike last year as I never rode it much, as I spend most of my time on my Super Tenere. Ya, I went from sport bike guy to an ADV dork, but hey, at least I'm not on a bagger, that will have to wait until I hit 70! What I turned into as a rider is described perfectly at 8:38 which is aided and abetted by having cruise control. I live in Colorado and there are cool far away places to see, and a big comfy ADV bike with a big tank for long range is great for that.
Liter bikes are great for experienced riders due to their broad powerbands - they effortlessly thrust around at casual RPM and that is awesome. Liter bikes are bad for new riders due to their broad powerbands as the video explains so well. Liter class bikes on the cam are ferocious things that can't really be contained on the confines on the street. I did a few track days on my sport bike, that was an eye opener when it came to what the bike was casually capable of.
Still riding a KTM 300 XC dirt bike, that keeps me sharp on the street. Bought a Husky 701 Enduro to replace my sport bike last year. Being a hooligan, I might be in more trouble on the big thumper. It is Rottweiler tuned, and it does wheelies, lots of wheelies, and being a dirt biker I am powerless to resist. I am so screwed - was safer from the cops on my sport bike 😆
Great video the exact points u said about being lazy and not fully focused is what caused me to crash my 2024 gsxr 750. The other day. U really have to lock in on any sports bike !!! Great video 👍🏿
Maaaaan the 2024 too that hurts, but more importantly glad you're alive!
Man , you didn't even have that thing 3 months!
This is great. Exactly what I would expect and yet people keep recommending me 1000cc bikes as my first. Watching this confirms my believe that I'll be much more comfortable on a 650 and have way more fun. Thank you!
Don't let people talk you out of that 650 saying it'll bore you or they're too slow either, wonderful class of bike with way more punch and capability than the "influencer" crowd will ever admit to
I ride a 400 as my first. It's a lot of fun!
@@skyoom1 dont have my license yet, but went to a dealership yesterday to get a feel for the z650 and I am sold.
@@Dr.BenjiBuddy Hell yeah man awesome bike, which color you leaning towards
@@skyoom1 I'm probably not getting it brand new, so it depends on whats available, but I'd prefer the black/green (pearl storm green) or the white/green (pearl blizzard white) :)
I started on a FZ-07, and within 6 months I had ridden a Hayabusa.
I had some interesting moments on the FZ07 as it was, and I wouldn't recommend people start on something more powerful.
I do love riding liter bikes though.
PS. You hit some important points man. Great job.
I ALWAYS send this video to dorks that think they can go from zero experience to a liter bike. Very informative 👏
The way youre going about these videos is really interesting, appreciate it as someone about to make the jump from a 400 to a 600.
I think it's because you're going into detail about a lot of things other videos just brush over. Id love to hear you talk about the differences between a 600 and a thousand
400 sport to 600 supersport is a huge huge jump! Take her easy for a while till you learn the bike. Ride safe brother🎉
Liter bikes are not dangerous for beginners because of how fast they can go but because of how fast they can climb speeds and how little input needed so they could start climbing
Amazing job. People who have never ridden a supersport or superbike will actually benefit from your videos. This level of insight is shockingly rare.
Sadly 99% of videos on these bikes only go as far as screaming while at half throttle below their power band as a means to convince people that only serious track riders should touch them.
Hello from Manchester, England. I was probably about 10 years into my riding career before getting my first litre bike. Since then, I've had a few Fireblades, and a couple of RC51's (they take some mastering!). However, nowadays, I'm back with small bikes. I've a Honda CRF300L, and an SV650.
The reasons?
Primarily because I don't ride trackdays anymore, plus they are just too frustrating for me on the road. So much power, you never get the chance here to wind them up. Too many traffic police, average speed cameras and dashcam warriors around also.
For me, it's simply more fun now to ring the neck of a slow bike on the back roads....!
I have an S1000R (naked) and agree 100%, there's a huge difference between a liter super sport and a liter naked... I also have 30 years experience in the saddle. A big naked can be ridden very aggressively, or just lazily lugged around town and still be fun. I started on a 500 )a million years ago), then a 700, then a 750, then a 1050 triple which I still own, now this bike and I also have a 125 Grom in garage. Small bikes are still a blast, but my 1000cc naked w some aftermarket wind protection is just a great do anything bike. Super sports are much too task specific to be every day riders IMHO.
I didn't know this channel existed until this video showed up as a UA-cam recommendation. I am so glad it did. It wasn't a ramble, it was a helpful insight, explanation and demonstration. Liked and Subscribed!
the way you described the difference between cruisers and sportbikes got you a new subscriber :D
I think what you said about being attentive is what makes them a bad idea for beginners. The margin for error is the problem. 1000cc are heavier than a 300cc or 400cc motorcycles but not drastically. The power increase to a 1000cc motorcycle is drastically different though. Obviously, starting on a 1000cc motorcycle isn't impossible, it's just increases the risk that most people aren't ready for. I have a 2022 Z900 (948cc). It's my 1st bike. I bought it brand new, and I have about 11k miles on the bike. I trusted myself to not take the power and weight of that bike for granted, and I've been good so far. At the end of the day, I think riders have genuine care for the safety of other riders. Either way, you made excellent points in your video, so thank you. Continue to be safe out there 👊🏾.
Side note: what kind of gloves are you wearing?
Exactly I noticed that I was progressing really slow on my MT07 because I was just programmed to be careful on everything so I never understood the limit of riding and sometimes even become too safe that I lost confidence in making a turn or things like that.
Most people think its being "safe" but its more about being attentive, having good judgement and taking action before its too late. "Respecting the throttle" dosen't really do shit because all you're doing is being mindful of the bike instead of scanning your environment. When you need to hard brake until you stoppie you'll freeze and crash because you haven't got the experience or not ready for the situation.
I’ve been riding for over 20 years, and every time I teach a first timer, they are scared. Not because of the bike, but because some fool took them for a ride and scared the shit out of them for fun. Proper education and nothing about a motorcycle is dangerous. Stupidity and ignorance is the danger.
I’m happy to finally see someone willing to put the time into education. Thank you.
Thank you for informing our newer riders, been riding for 6 years and still watched in full. Good stuff.
Bro’s got them Nintendo Switch gloves lol. Nice vid by the way 👍
That's why I like my cruisers, I putz around like an old fuck and enjoy the scenery
I can die in a recliner at home. Why add a motor? Superbikes is what motorcycles tried to be from their first iterations, hence people souping up their old bikes
Probably got lost in the other comments but asked before what gloves are they bro ?
Nintendo Switch gloves
Bison
@@skyoom1 thanks bro didn't realize they were all custom actually really nice since its kind of hard to find gloves in colors I want
Absolutely correct on the level of attentiveness needed. I had a BMW K1200S. It was scary powerful and scary fast and I loved it. DO NOT underestimate their power.
I went from my CBR600RR to the 1000 RR and I love it I'll never go back down. City, Highway, Country Roads doesn't matter
What a LEGIT educational tidbit? I'm glad you come from a pro perspective and I appreciate my newfound awareness of what exactly scares me about these bikes.
100% of attention & focus is the minimum safe zone. 9MPH (13 MPH was my guess) is thoroughly doable. But, add the twitch & up & over you go! (Ax me how I know!)
Am I capable of riding one? Yes, but I choose NOT too for a variety of reasons (enjoyment?) A lot of work but completely satisfying when done well!
Day to day, 900cc's seems to be just right. 100Hp/50+ ft./Lbs. seems to be enough for a spirited ride w/o the demands of 80% focus & once settled in- even less is needed!
What a great way to face the concerns, address the risk, identify the twitch risk, etc & so forth! Well done.
I grew up on dirtbikes. Quads snow mobiles... first bike i jumped on was a Hayabusa on 80 94.
I retired from riding that day.
I would not recommend a new rider to a 1000cc super bike. The level of self control and experience required is no joke. Sure new bikes have riding modes but what about the older models most people would likely buy given their affordability? Yes you can drive it slow but that’s not the issue… resisting the power is the problem. Accidentally bumping the throttle could throw you off or skid the back out. Yes 100% attention and awareness are crucial at all times and a lot of people aren’t that capable.
I love super bikes and have 2 myself. But I didn’t start on a 1000cc. 600cc is what I started on which still I don’t recommend to everyone. Driving skill and awareness is critical and if you struggle in a car then probably don’t start on a supersport.
Great video putting the dangers into perspective.
Main advice: if you’re unaware of surrounding traffic and road conditions you should not start on such a powerful machine.
I’ve almost been bucked a few times from bumps myself but haven’t gone down yet knock on wood😂
I have 11 years riding experience on supersport class bikes and mainly ride my tuned concours14 that does 185mph+ at 670lbs… a heavy supersport!
Granted I rode dirt bikes off road from about the time I learned to walk, but my first street bike was a heavily modified ZX-9 that put down in the mid 140s to wheels so around 165-170 crank hp. Not far from modern liters. I moved to a zx12 and then back down through a series of zx10s and other various liter bikes.
Yes liter bikes are crazy fast, even bone stock. Yes you can get into danger quickly. Starting small to me doesn't help you out here. All the people I've ridden with over the years showed me that most people don't have any common sense, and lack any respect and fear for their motorcycles. I had a proper level of fear and respect for my sport bikes from my very first ride so I've never had any issues. These people whether they are riding an R3 or an R1 are going to get into bad scenarios regardless since they lack this basic respect.
Moral of the story, if you want to get into a modern liter bike whether you're green or seasoned, if you're missing that respect its going to likely end badly. He also makes a great point here about panicking and disrupting the suspension. This is a very important point as well, but for ALL riders regardless of bike style or power.
I got my first 1000cc bike at age 42, a 2005 carbureted Yamaha FZ1, I rode it for the first time after I purchased it! I was instantly hooked! I’ve since had a Kawasaki ZX14 a Honda CBR1000rr , a Triumph 675r, a BMW S1000rr and my current bike, at age 60 is a BMW S1000r,probably my last bike, and I absolutely love it, with riding modes from docile to manic!
Modern, fuel injected bikes are very rideable for most experienced riders. I don’t see the need for 600cc RR bikes with today’s technology, just my humble opinion.
By the way my favorite is split between the Honda and the S1000rr.
My first bike was a 100hp 600cc sportbike. No issues at all, went on daytrips to France and back in a day (speed didn't drop below 100mph). After 4-5 years a 135hp 1000cc supersport. I admit I didn't keep practicing things like street U-turns, didn't need it much. But I just stayed defensive while riding, kept it easy, and stayed within the limits of the bike. No 'grandma riding' at all, but adapted to the traffic and road conditions at hand. If in doubt about an action, didn't do it. Crawled through city traffic (no fun with the long first gear, but still), speedy highways, filtered traffic jams, carved twisty roads on weekends in Germany...Never had issues. Nowadays a 750cc and a 1200cc that are a bit more relaxed geometrically (retro bikes), I appreciate a more relaxed riding style over speedy riding, but there's still an itch whenever I see those tasty supersports :-)
You saved lives and prevented injuries with this video.
👍🏼
Regards from India.
I bought a Moto Morini 125 recently. I just want to enjoy local riding but have no experience of bikes. Honestly it feels fast enough to me! Great video.
Very well presented demonstration. I've been driving manual transmission cars for the past 12 years or so, and I love the engagement whilst driving. I dont understand why people would want a DCT/automatic when owning a sports car--it takes all of the fun and skill out of driving, IMO.
I've been researching bikes for the past several months and I'm considering getting an R7 for my first bike. It seems like the sweet spot for a street bike, IMO, and I love the torque/power curve it has, especially for the streets.
I may consider getting a 600 at some point afterwards, but I think that's as far as I'll go. Perhaps I may change my mind over time, but I think I'll be content with the R7 for quite a while lol.
Again, fantastic video. It really puts into perspective how powerful liter bikes are to those that already don't understand. I already knew they were like this, but like many people have said, I've really never seen anyone demonstrate it this way on UA-cam. I think a lot of people that intended on buying liter bikes are reevaluating that decision after watching this video.
Started with an 01 cbr600f4i. Then went to an 04 zx10. Added a 954. Then went sp2. With a gsxr1000 after and then back to another 04 zx10. Never tracked any of them. Only street. Now after 10 years on the same bike I’m ready to move on…it’ll be a speed triple or supermotard. Great vid. And people don’t forget…the perfect number of bikes is…..one more.
Bought a GSXR 1000 as my 1st bike, never rode anything other than a bicycle before. Hopped on and yes it’s crazy but as long as you know your limits it’s an amazing 1st bike. The power isn’t scary until you get into throttle and the suspension and brakes give real confidence cruising around and pushing the bike
You’re actually insane
I went from an R3, to a 2021 MT09SP. That step up was HUGE, and yet, the MT09 is not even close to a GSXR1000 / R1. Great video
MT09 will keep up with most liter bikes until 100 mph. Then they will start pulling away fast.
@drewmoto732 yeh I'm aware. It's about 120kmh from my experiences pulling with one.
I have a dyna superglide 1340 and used to have a gsxr750, and a spotrster 1200. Just bought a 2024 cbr1000rr and you are absolutely right about everything you say. They must be respected as I’ve always been taught, but the power can get you out of trouble as much as it can get you into it. They are streetable if you have the strength and awareness. Also helps to be confident and familiar with your equipment, suspension settings, brakes, control adjustments and riding maps if you have them.
Excellent points made. People think they can just ride anything. I made the same mistake in 2010, I went and bought a '09 Honda 450R dirt bike because "I liked to ride" and it was horrible. It was so stupid quick, it felt like it was powered by C4 and rocket fuel. It was just stupid responsive and felt like it was trying to murder you all of the time ( no selectable maps). I kept it for 2 months and rode it for maybe 4 hours before selling it back to the guy I bought it from. Even paid him $100 to come get it. Bikes have gotten so insanely powerful that you really need to research and ride before buying. I will never own another 450 dirt bike or likely ride one. Take care.
I can remember pulling out of the work car park and going over the smallest speed bump sitting to high up and nearly flipping the bike
I actually prefer driving the shit out of a smaller bike than sit on a big supersport being scared to give too much throttle in the wrong situation. I had a RD(RZ)350Ypvs back in the days, kept it for many years. Cant explain how fun those 60hp was, only the people that haad one knows :) Tried bigger bikes but it was not good for my blood pressure 😂
Im just over 2 years on 2 wheels. I moved up from a cbr250 to a gaxs750 last year and it is a WORLD of difference. My wife learned and started on a r6. B4 i met her, She eventually totalled it but walked away. She encouraged me to start small and work my way up. Glad i did. 750cc is all i need. Couldnt imagine riding a 600/1000cc... yet. And if i never do, thats cool.
All 4 of the motorcycle’s I’ve owned have been 1000cc’s. 03 SV1000s, 05 zx10r, 06 GSXR 1000, & 2017 zx10r. You just have to respect them, respect them as in learn all the specific details of braking, cornering, being smooth & loose on the controls, & keep your eyes on EVERYTHING. Do that & you’ll be good. The clutch ups & dragging knees/elbows will come much much later especially starting on a liter bike.
After 4 years of riding a 125 im moving on to a 600cc. This video has helped a lot
The amount of views this video has shows peoples mindset. Everybody wants the biggest and baddest bike. I would have thought the video on Ergos would have had more views. Keep up the good work. Love to see the growth
100% agreed, they do take attention and some skill to ride comfortably.
As a MSF coach for many years, I can tell you that the issue is when an inexperienced rider is presented with an emergency situation. They do not have the skills or fine motor control to avoid "grabbing" and handful of brake or throttle while operating the bars and body position properly to control the power. No shame or lack of fun with a smaller bike.
You have a valid point. Absolutely.
However. There is something to be said in having discipline, and not having to ever bother upgrading and just having the fastest bike from the start.
I haven't ridden in 20 years and just bought a 1000cc. Doing fine. I know that I won't be able to handle the bike fully for years, and I understand that.
Wow excellent points. I've never heard that argument of its a bike that will focus all of your attention to it. The power is there like you said, but if requires a rider who is willing to accept they're going to be busy with their own attention span rather than how hard they can hang on. Cool shit, man. Thanks for this
VERY useful demonstration. Thank you👍🏼 enjoy your riding season and may God protect you
what a great video, I started riding motobikes when i was a young boy and then transferred to street three or so years ago. Bought a klx300sm and it was the best purchase i could have made for my first street bike. Of course i wanted to go fast but something small to learn the feel of the street, riding, turning, braking, counter-steering on instinct was a life or death decision in hindsight. Got a gsxr 750 now and i can only imagine a liter bike on the road. You're playing a totally different ballgame riding that 750 around vs the supermoto. Absolutely excellent video, thank you for putting this into perspective. keep the content coming!!
very well said. apart from the "brain off easy rider" vs. "brain on racer" is a flase dichotomy. but it is still useful to get the point across that this beast requires a whole different level of concentration and honestly a fairly high skill floor as you point out.
Started with a ninja 400 for my first 2 years from 16-18 then onward ive had my Z1000. I absolutely love everything about my Z and have done everything to it i wish to. Ceramic breaks, flashed, yoshimura straight lipe exhaust everything. But with all this said its more important than anything that i systted with that 400 so i could fully learn what a bike can do before uograding and expanding my possibilities. I still remember my first reaction to my z1000 being astonished and amazed at what i had gotten feeling like i was holding onto the horns of a bull. Granted now ive gotten used to it and dream of getting an h2 but even now i still reccomend nobody to start with a 1000 as it legitimately will horribly injure you.
I've been riding a long time and been on many different bikes and this is the most well stated 1000cc super sport explanation I've ever heard. Very similar to explaining 450cc moto cross bikes to people just how crazy they are.
"Don't shock the frame, don't surprise the tire."
Cool video. Loving my r7, getting an r9 when it comes out. This is helpful.
On bikes I appreciate less twitchy modes like “normal”that still give you the full hps and torque, to avoid involuntary inputs on imperfect roads.
Yes, you don’t buy a monster to keep it tamed all the time, so you don’t buy a 1000 to ride it in rain mode when it’s not raining, but having linear progression on the throttle is my favorite setting.
To me the thing that make bigger displacements dangerous for beginners is that you WILL inevitably find yourself too hot in a curve. When (non if, when) it happens, it’s way easier to have heavily misjudged your entry speed on bigger bikes, so it’s easier to learn to correct misjudgments on a bike that makes you arrive there slower and that’slighter and easier to correct. Also wider tires require more lean angle for the same curve, so the bigger tire the harder you gotta lean
I get it depends on what kind of bike you want, but i started on an 1800 valkyrie. Now im on a 1250 and im just super glad that i never took anyones advice and started on a smaller bike. Id only ever tell someone to get a smaller bike if it was a strength issue
Once watched someone posted himself riding a CBR1000RR Fireblade in gear 1 and up until it's max speed before needing to shift. It went from 0 to 148km/h (0 to 91mph) before hitting the limiter in just probably around 90 meters. 1000cc bikes are just different.