Even ENT had a kitchen and cook. It was a running joke that we never saw him. We shall not talk about the final ENT episode. ENT had a lot of flaws. They even pushed the envelope with continuity. However I at least bought the fact that they came before TOS. STD is a dumpster fire.
fun fact one of the novels reveals the issues with Enterprise continuity was due to section 31 editing historical records to cover up things such as what the Romulans looked like.
Yeah but they don't have a actual name and sense they replicate food well it's just easier to call them replicators as it was the precursor to the modern day one. A flip phone is still a phone just like a iPhone is today
@@dratrav They DO have a name, and they're not replicators. In TOS they were called "food dispensers." They dispense food, they don't replicate it. They're closer to a vending machine than they are to a 3D printer.
I had a thought about that. There is no way the ship's kitchen would be able to keep up with the culinary demands for a "food dispenser." Perhaps, the food is made and then put into something like a transporter buffer, and then "beamed" in to the dispensers.
It would also make more sense in so many ways. And they could use interesting species (ferengi, Trill etc.) without shoehorning them in. But it does have more of a TOS (or even Voyager) feel to it.
Imagine being told by a computer you can't have a double latte... 99.99% there would be a "black market" from day one. People who don't like sweets/ coffee/ alcohol would sell or exchange them.
@@erichanastacio9695 yeah but still why would someone wanna get dismissed from duty for some ice cream? It can be done but if caught it will be not good for the engineer who did it
Cool, that blonde with the cards in original Trek clip was Lwaxana Troi in TNG. She was also Mrs. Gene Roddenberry for real. Sadly she passed in 2008. R.I.P. queen of Trek
She was also Number One (the original Number One... the first First Officer... er... Pike's sidekick) and the computer voice until she passed... in 2008. Majel Barrett was loved by all, I reckon. Star Trek didn't seem the same without her telling us "Unable to Comply."
My theory: When food synthesisers first began to be installed in starships, many people struggled to adjust to having unlimited amounts of every conceivable food suddenly available to them at all times. As a result, nutritional balance and obesity became a problem. To control this Starfleet first experimented with having the replicators directly control what people could have, but this antagonised users, so they then tried a system of issuing ration cards. Presumably by the TNG era people had become completely used to having replicated food available so it was no longer a problem. The crew of Voyager were simply mistaken in thinking replicators weren't yet widespread in Kirk's time.
Sidenote: Perhaps the more stoutly-proportioned Star Trek cosplayers out there are simply playing authentic officers from around that time when replicators were new and nobody could stop themselves synthesising endless Chicken McNuggets?
To be fair to Voyager, food synthesizers and replicators aren't the same thing. Food synthesizers work similarly to replicators but are far more basic, manipulating existing proteins and amino-acids and constructing them into food (although the food wasn't that great). Replicators manipulate matter at a sub-atomic level, being able to create basically anything, from a tricorder to a lobster, using raw energy to matter conversion. Voyager were probably referring to the fact they didn't have the luxury of being able to replicate anything they needed at a moments notice, or the likely more extensive menu of higher quality food and drink.
@@SirMangler Good point. I guess a food synthesizer is basically a 3D printer, which holds reservoirs of various basic organic molecules and combines them to construct foods (which would likely taste dreadful). Very different principle to a matter replicator.
I think it works if the DIS food synths can only do food and dishes, and if the uniform replicator can only do uniforms. I don’t know if they were shown or mentioned as capable of other things. I think that fits with the ENT synthesizers. As for the food cartridges, I think it works if we assume the food gets vastly more chemically complicated by TOS, requiring a switch to physical media. Or, everyone can carry around their favorite version of a dish in order to avoid the base dishes. The tribbles also indicate the food stations hold stock material which is contrary to statements about replicators being energy to matter devices, which fits with the VOY statement by Kim about no replicators in the past.
Zabe Denton the shows, TNG onwards, contradict the material stock idea. Voyager in particular, Chakotay relocates a good watch for Janeway, Janeway says to dereplicate it because they are suffering an energy crisis. Chakotay objects that he replicated it months ago, and Janeway says she doesn’t care, the energy is more important now. That shows the system is all energy to matter, and matter to energy. With stocks no energy would be recovered only consumed.
Does Discovery need canon? Klutzman replies: No, Discovery doesn't need cannons. Thus Star Trek Discovery was born, with a total lack of any Star Trek canon.
The food replicator announcing your meal every time would get old fast. On Voyager I always took Kims' line to mean they couldn't copy items but still had food synthesizers.
Same reason why phones stopped beeping every time you touched a button (grant it, you can still have a sound, but now it's a discrete click). That whole bit in STD reeks of tired old "The Future" tropes from decades ago. We already know better--having the technology go "ermahgad I do something fer yu!" every time is intrusive.
At least part of this can be explained by a different understanding of technology in the 60s versus today. Predictions that seemed advanced then are seen as quaint or even the wrong solution today.
In Enterprise shuttlepod one there's a scene in the shuttle where they take like a food ration pack meal and put it in this like microwave slot then it heats the food and then they open it and eat it.
What's wrong with coconut and vanilla together? I've never tried the combination before but I've tasted each separately and my mind can't simulate the blend unpleasantly.
If this was possible, ships would just instantly repair themselves. You don't need to make tools or anything, just instantly create objects where they belong.
TOS takes place AFTER Discover, which is also after Star Fleet disabled, fleet wide, the highly advanced, "AI" systems that had been in place prior to Control needing to be fought. Which took Star Fleet ships from highly interconnected systems to being small memory units that required data cards with limited capacities to be swapped in an out. Thus, preserving canon.
also the Discovery and TOS 'food slots' were not replicators, but per dialog, "Food synthesizers". ENT actually introduces them as a vulcan technology, similar to the protein resenquencer used on the NX-01 but more advanced. basically a form of "3D printed food" where it takes a preexisting supply of simple molecules (fats, amino acids, etc) and assembles them into a result. presumably industrial versions existed that could produce polymers and fibers for fabric. Replicators would take the concept, but use transporter systems to literally assemble food atom by atom.
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@@MajorGrin Gotta love CBS, first they destroy all that is great about trek and than they kill off Axanar, the greatest fan movie and now targeting innocent youtubers
Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country Although I've seen the movie several times, I honestly don't remember the kitchen scene. Either it simply wasn't all that memorable, or perhaps it can only be seen when watching some kind of special edition with deleted scenes(although every time I watched this, I think it was on network TV so since those are edited for time and content this may have been left out).
I think the easiest way to reconcile it is to treat the food synthesizers and the uniform thing as fancy 3D printers, where they still need materials loaded up for everything used to make them and it can only do specific preprogrammed recipes. By contrast replicators can just make whatever and the computer can adjust recipes on the fly in various ways.
as a point tas is only considered soft canon (as it is animations of beta canon stories) thus if any star trek live action series contradicts it then the live action series is considered to be correct in canon (this rule also applied to star trek online up until the release of star trek Picard)
It's been said that Discovery is in a different timeline or universe than TOS and TNG and if you go by the technical manuals for the original Enterprise NCC 1701 you will see that they have something like food storage, dispensers, and protein resequencers which is what the cubes of food were. I still wonder how many high rank officers used to override the nutritional guidelines for the replicators on TNG, that bad part of the Discovery replicators is they used to say the calories of the food, which is bad if you are ordering a slice of Cheesecake or something high in calories.
@@jtenorj yes exactly what I mean also there are many moments in a Star Trek where people are taking hostage for a device such as that would be useful it would function a lot like a ghostbuster trap
The standing around and displaying pointless tech to fill time really bothers me. It's not even supposed to be more advanced than the original. I get it, the original tech is goofy, but they can still simplify theirs or not focus on it at all. But that would require actually interesting dialogue and plot.
Not sure why discovery is putting focus on the computer speaking. Literally never needed to do it in the past. Like the uniform for instance, the tray opening would be more than enough to inform us it was finished. Why the hell did we need "uniform synthesis complete"?!
they put money in cgi the process of how they make clothes in discovery....well it they arent in the John Wick Dog shit use of cg but tv shows and movies are getting even closer.
They're congruent (w Spock and Pike on Enterprise in) 2254, Disco starting 2255 to 2259, and TOS mission from 2265 to 2269 (to 2293 w/ Enterprise A movies) .
I personally think all Discovery's problems are easily solved by putting Discovery oh I dunno, after Nemesis (and not being super progressive and having better writers). Uniforms would need some slight change and maybe some other designs but other than that discovery would actually work technologically and would fit snug in the timeline.
In Enterprise, don't they have basic food synthesizers? (I think at least the Vulcans [or Vulcanians if you're a real Trekker] did, which would've been shared after the formation of the Federation) And, given the canonical information that states that the Enterprise is an older ship, it's evident that it's running older technology than the newer ships like the Discovery. If we choose to pursue that well-respected tradition of fan-speculation, it's not unreasonable to suggest that the power systems might not be able to accommodate the standard uniform fabricators and food synthesizers. The Discovery and Cabot are decades newer than the Starship-class Enterprise, and would therefore have updated tech. Additionally, Janeway said they didn't have replicators, which could simply mean the transition from food synthesizer to a replicator was just that much of an improvement in the flavor and texture fidelity. Who knows, it may have been like the transition from holo-projectors (STE/ENT, STT/TAS, STD/DSC) to holodecks (STT/TNG, STV/VOY, STD/DS9), and happened shortly before The Next Generation. I get this channel's whole shtick is mocking Discovery for any and all perceived violations of the holy and always coherent whole of prior Star Treks, but this, like several other videos, is flagrant in its disregard of other instances of continuity and reasonable assumptions.
There's plenty of things on Discovery to complain about, but IMO, using floppy disks to order food would've been really goofy in a 2010s tv show, especially now that we have Siri and Alexa IRL. Of course, the magic mushroom drive and the holograms are fair game
Theory to reconcile DISCO and TOS: 23rd century food synthesizers have two options, you could speak to the computer and select a predetermined menu item, or you could create your own personal recipes and keep them on “flavour cards”. DISCO and TAS mainly used voice menu selections but TOS preferred to use personal cards.
In the same way holographic communications were ripped out of the Enterprise at the end of season 2 Discovery, maybe the replicators were taken off the main computer grid to prevent a Control-like AI cooking up all sorts of nasties in them.
This seems to be more of a TOS had no continuity with itself on how food worked so needs to be ignored situation. (With the exception of the Kim and Janeway conversation. That is a legit plot hole for Discovery)
TOS had food dispensers not food replicators, the food dispensers were advanced dumb waiters. There's even a scene where Kirk was ordering the chef over the ship's intercom to make mock turkey for a holiday. The food synthesizers were in the kitchen with TOS and only made ingredients for the chef to prepare. Now in TOS, there was a scene where chicken soup was served from one of three food dispensers in a transporter room although there was no counter or table to eat at in the transporter room. Though, I'm sure nothing was intended by showing food dispensers in the transporter room, the rationalization of low quality transporter technology being used by the food dispensers and the three dispensers being for diagnostics by the transporter technicians would explain the existence of the dispensers in the transporter room. Note there was only one transporter room scene which showed food dispensers in TOS. Also, the food dispensers in TOS were shown in the mess hall/rec area except for the one transporter room scene. If we look at what was happening during the 1960's, it would be reasonable to assume that the food dispensers were like the automats common during the 50's and 60's and on the other side of that wall was a room of attendants filling the dispensers with the ordered food that had been delivered from the kitchen. Even if they had food dispensers in low traffic areas, there would still be non-transporter methods such as the advanced vending machines that we see in Japan, the food could still be just delivered in bulk from the kitchen. We didn't see anything about food replicators till TNG and everything in TOS not only shows the concept had not occurred to the writers but that there was kitchens and the food was just somehow delivered to those food dispensers by people and or technology. We did hear about food synthesizers in TOS presumably to make ingredients to prepare and Enterprise introduced us to protein sequencers/synthesizers, it wasn't till Discovery and Strange New Worlds that the writers broke the lore.
So you're saying Discovery continuity is rubbish because they haven't dumbed themselves DOWN to the low budget effects of a 1960s TV show?! It would look laughable if they did that. You'll be complaining that Discovery's captain isn't writing on a electronic clipboard 12 inches thick next. Get a grip people we have iPads now and it's only 2020.
No, the problem isn’t that the effects were upgraded, the problem is the utter replacement of established continuity. The replicators should’ve at least used a card system like in TOS or made the replicator sound and not the voice used.
It's done by replicating and then 3D Printing the products D.N.A. today we are already able to replicate Human Skin Tissue and some human organs as well as Human Ears on a 3D Printer machines as well as such complicated metal things as whole rocket engines and engine parts in fact we even now almost replicate anything on a 3D Printer machine.
The Discovery is a leap ahead in technology, compared to the Enterprise and other ships of that period. It's got the latest in technology that will eventually be added to the rest of the Starfleet but it's, scuse the pun, The Next Generation in technology. The Enterprise is CRT and the Discovery is LCD...
To be fair on TNG a replicator told Deanna Troi off for ordering a chocolate cake.
200 years later! Smh
*sundae
Chocolate sundae actually lol
Wasnt that cause she wanted real one not a replicated one.
1:14 that WTF on his face
The face of m8 in 20 years ur gonna regret giving me double white
Hes pissed
he just watched an episode of STD
“My chicken sandwich and coffee. This is my chicken sandwich and coffee.”
I still laugh at the Q affected replicator telling Janeway to make her own coffee.
Even ENT had a kitchen and cook. It was a running joke that we never saw him. We shall not talk about the final ENT episode.
ENT had a lot of flaws. They even pushed the envelope with continuity. However I at least bought the fact that they came before TOS. STD is a dumpster fire.
it should have been revealed to be Shatner instead of Frakes
Don't get me started on ENT episode "These Are The Voyages..." my friend. Just thinking about it pains me to no end.
@@MajorGrin At least both Kirk and Riker have shown interest in cooking.
It could have been Shatner, and would have been Shatner, but the show couldn't afford his fee, and he refused to negotiate
fun fact one of the novels reveals the issues with Enterprise continuity was due to section 31 editing historical records to cover up things such as what the Romulans looked like.
Seriously guys, replicators didn't appear in Star Trek until TNG. The things in TOS are just some kind of automated food dispenser like an automat.
Yeah but they don't have a actual name and sense they replicate food well it's just easier to call them replicators as it was the precursor to the modern day one. A flip phone is still a phone just like a iPhone is today
@@dratrav They DO have a name, and they're not replicators. In TOS they were called "food dispensers." They dispense food, they don't replicate it. They're closer to a vending machine than they are to a 3D printer.
@@Fayanora hey yeah you're right
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I had a thought about that. There is no way the ship's kitchen would be able to keep up with the culinary demands for a "food dispenser." Perhaps, the food is made and then put into something like a transporter buffer, and then "beamed" in to the dispensers.
1:08 Discovery in a nutshell.
why do they need the computers talking for every task?
so invisible people who look at you from the comfort of their own couch know what just happened... because the audience is fucking stupid, of course.
Because the target audience isn’t the same as it used to be 😢
To. Fill. Time.
To make the technology seem old and shoddy.
To prove its an untrustworthy narrator.
It seems as though nearly all the continuity problems would have been solved by setting Discovery after TNG.
It would also make more sense in so many ways. And they could use interesting species (ferengi, Trill etc.) without shoehorning them in. But it does have more of a TOS (or even Voyager) feel to it.
Also, it would have made it more palatable because we wouldn’t see our legacy characters, like Sarek, Spock, and Pike, get desecrated.
And the remaining problems would be solved by not doing Discovery at all.
@@khfan4life365 Exactly
@@IllidanS4 But that require them to care .
Imagine being told by a computer you can't have a double latte...
99.99% there would be a "black market" from day one. People who don't like sweets/ coffee/ alcohol would sell or exchange them.
It'll be easier if you are an engineer or programmer. You'd override those food replicators
@@erichanastacio9695 yeah but still why would someone wanna get dismissed from duty for some ice cream? It can be done but if caught it will be not good for the engineer who did it
@@kshitijarora2653
Cadet Kirk, on his third try, reprogrammed the Kobayashi Maru simulator and got awarded for it in the original timeline.
@@erichanastacio9695 cause in prime timeline most didn't knew that he actually hacked the simulation
But in Kelvin they did because Kelvin Kirk is kinda edgy and more reckless than prime timeline kirk
Cool, that blonde with the cards in original Trek clip was Lwaxana Troi in TNG. She was also Mrs. Gene Roddenberry for real. Sadly she passed in 2008. R.I.P. queen of Trek
She was also Number One (the original Number One... the first First Officer... er... Pike's sidekick) and the computer voice until she passed... in 2008. Majel Barrett was loved by all, I reckon. Star Trek didn't seem the same without her telling us "Unable to Comply."
Don't forget she also cameo'd as Lwaxana on DS9 a couple of times.
Every Trekkie knows this... Also we have eyes and ears
"Is this coconut or vanilla?"
"Oh sweety, don't be sad! There are a lot of good surprises and bad surprises!"
He says "It's coconut and vanilla, they're both white".
@@QWOP_Expert Then he spits in her face and throws the ice cream cone on the ground and picks up a knife. ahh the good old days.
My theory: When food synthesisers first began to be installed in starships, many people struggled to adjust to having unlimited amounts of every conceivable food suddenly available to them at all times. As a result, nutritional balance and obesity became a problem. To control this Starfleet first experimented with having the replicators directly control what people could have, but this antagonised users, so they then tried a system of issuing ration cards. Presumably by the TNG era people had become completely used to having replicated food available so it was no longer a problem.
The crew of Voyager were simply mistaken in thinking replicators weren't yet widespread in Kirk's time.
Sidenote: Perhaps the more stoutly-proportioned Star Trek cosplayers out there are simply playing authentic officers from around that time when replicators were new and nobody could stop themselves synthesising endless Chicken McNuggets?
Eh... I can see that.
@@AlastairjCarruthers 10/10 I agree
To be fair to Voyager, food synthesizers and replicators aren't the same thing. Food synthesizers work similarly to replicators but are far more basic, manipulating existing proteins and amino-acids and constructing them into food (although the food wasn't that great). Replicators manipulate matter at a sub-atomic level, being able to create basically anything, from a tricorder to a lobster, using raw energy to matter conversion. Voyager were probably referring to the fact they didn't have the luxury of being able to replicate anything they needed at a moments notice, or the likely more extensive menu of higher quality food and drink.
@@SirMangler Good point. I guess a food synthesizer is basically a 3D printer, which holds reservoirs of various basic organic molecules and combines them to construct foods (which would likely taste dreadful). Very different principle to a matter replicator.
2:58 What my brain sounds like during a diet.
I think it works if the DIS food synths can only do food and dishes, and if the uniform replicator can only do uniforms. I don’t know if they were shown or mentioned as capable of other things. I think that fits with the ENT synthesizers.
As for the food cartridges, I think it works if we assume the food gets vastly more chemically complicated by TOS, requiring a switch to physical media. Or, everyone can carry around their favorite version of a dish in order to avoid the base dishes. The tribbles also indicate the food stations hold stock material which is contrary to statements about replicators being energy to matter devices, which fits with the VOY statement by Kim about no replicators in the past.
Even in TNG they hold material stock for commonly used molecules. I don't know if it's mentioned on-screen, but it's in the TNG technical manual.
Zabe Denton the shows, TNG onwards, contradict the material stock idea. Voyager in particular, Chakotay relocates a good watch for Janeway, Janeway says to dereplicate it because they are suffering an energy crisis. Chakotay objects that he replicated it months ago, and Janeway says she doesn’t care, the energy is more important now. That shows the system is all energy to matter, and matter to energy. With stocks no energy would be recovered only consumed.
@@Exploder11 Yeah that episode never made sense to me. It should always take more energy to run the replicator than you could ever get out of it.
@@Exploder11 voyager ran out of the material stock and had to use energy.
toomanyaccounts I don’t remember any episode where they ran out of material stock. Do you have an episode name?
Does Discovery need canon?
Klutzman replies: No, Discovery doesn't need cannons.
Thus Star Trek Discovery was born, with a total lack of any Star Trek canon.
I would like to see every copy of STD fired from a cannon.
This is probably what happened.
STD has voice activated food synthesizers. Don't know where that replicator misconception came from.
@@DachshundDogStarluck19 I don't know...maybe for the fact we literally saw Burnham's uniform replicated before she first served on the Disocvery?
More room for torpedoes.
The food replicator announcing your meal every time would get old fast.
On Voyager I always took Kims' line to mean they couldn't copy items but still had food synthesizers.
Same reason why phones stopped beeping every time you touched a button (grant it, you can still have a sound, but now it's a discrete click). That whole bit in STD reeks of tired old "The Future" tropes from decades ago. We already know better--having the technology go "ermahgad I do something fer yu!" every time is intrusive.
At least part of this can be explained by a different understanding of technology in the 60s versus today. Predictions that seemed advanced then are seen as quaint or even the wrong solution today.
Exactly lol
This would make sense if we had anything like a replicator in the real world
In fact we're no closer to it than we were in the 60s
I know you're all angry, but this is making me hungry.
Hangry
@@sausage6984 Wanna get something to eat?
@@Ubermensch9240 yeah, sausages
@@sausage6984 Hot Dogs.
The boy who didn't like his WHITE ice cream must be a time traveler from 2020.
He's just not diverse enough.
Wow, an experimental ship will not have a voice command rather than flavor "cards"?
deepak chowdary yeah, when the ship was built before anything like that was invented!
Punch cards
In Enterprise shuttlepod one there's a scene in the shuttle where they take like a food ration pack meal and put it in this like microwave slot then it heats the food and then they open it and eat it.
R.I.P "charlie" Robert walker (April 15, 1940 - December 5, 2019)
Blew my mind when I saw him (rather briefly and randomly) in Easy Rider.
What's wrong with coconut and vanilla together? I've never tried the combination before but I've tasted each separately and my mind can't simulate the blend unpleasantly.
And why are the colour relevant? And vanilla is black not white...? So confusing!
3:04 when you have Flint Lockwood design your replicators
Where are the bits with the readhead from that isn't getting her food?
I really can't place it.
If this was possible, ships would just instantly repair themselves. You don't need to make tools or anything, just instantly create objects where they belong.
TOS takes place AFTER Discover, which is also after Star Fleet disabled, fleet wide, the highly advanced, "AI" systems that had been in place prior to Control needing to be fought.
Which took Star Fleet ships from highly interconnected systems to being small memory units that required data cards with limited capacities to be swapped in an out.
Thus, preserving canon.
also the Discovery and TOS 'food slots' were not replicators, but per dialog, "Food synthesizers". ENT actually introduces them as a vulcan technology, similar to the protein resenquencer used on the NX-01 but more advanced. basically a form of "3D printed food" where it takes a preexisting supply of simple molecules (fats, amino acids, etc) and assembles them into a result. presumably industrial versions existed that could produce polymers and fibers for fabric.
Replicators would take the concept, but use transporter systems to literally assemble food atom by atom.
Love the white and gold outfit the kid on the left is wearing at 00:36
FISH!
Today's fish is trout a la créme. Enjoy your meal.
FISH!
Today's fish is trout a la créme. Enjoy your meal.
FISH!
Today's fish is trout a la créme. Enjoy your meal.
FISH!
Today's fish is trout a la créme. Enjoy your meal.
FISH!
Today's fish is trout a la créme. Enjoy your meal.
I will.
"So what is it?"
Also in Star Trek: Short Stories, Calypso, the computer replicates the clothes to fit him better.
Wait....isn't that Archer the super spy at 0:23? Or aka John Benjamin has a van or something?
Re-uploaded?
got blocked by cbs because it was too long probably so i'm reuploading it in 2 shorter parts
@@MajorGrin oh, ok :)
@@MajorGrin 2 bite-sized parts?
@@v.sandrone4268 when its shorter than 5 minutes they don't block it
@@MajorGrin Gotta love CBS, first they destroy all that is great about trek and than they kill off Axanar, the greatest fan movie and now targeting innocent youtubers
Yo god damn my girl Chapel going savage af telling that kid life sucks, deal with it.
2:20 which movie is it
Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country
Although I've seen the movie several times, I honestly don't remember the kitchen scene. Either it simply wasn't all that memorable, or perhaps it can only be seen when watching some kind of special edition with deleted scenes(although every time I watched this, I think it was on network TV so since those are edited for time and content this may have been left out).
3:14 my head cannon, Kim knows nothing and this is why he is an Ensign
I think the easiest way to reconcile it is to treat the food synthesizers and the uniform thing as fancy 3D printers, where they still need materials loaded up for everything used to make them and it can only do specific preprogrammed recipes. By contrast replicators can just make whatever and the computer can adjust recipes on the fly in various ways.
The Red Dude from the cartoon always on The Bridge
as a point tas is only considered soft canon (as it is animations of beta canon stories) thus if any star trek live action series contradicts it then the live action series is considered to be correct in canon (this rule also applied to star trek online up until the release of star trek Picard)
It's been said that Discovery is in a different timeline or universe than TOS and TNG and if you go by the technical manuals for the original Enterprise NCC 1701 you will see that they have something like food storage, dispensers, and protein resequencers which is what the cubes of food were. I still wonder how many high rank officers used to override the nutritional guidelines for the replicators on TNG, that bad part of the Discovery replicators is they used to say the calories of the food, which is bad if you are ordering a slice of Cheesecake or something high in calories.
One of my favorite replicator uses was as a storage device and video game Star Trek Voyager elite Force One and two
Do you mean the miniature transporter buffer on the belt of your hazard suit for storing all your weapons?
@@jtenorj yes exactly what I mean also there are many moments in a Star Trek where people are taking hostage for a device such as that would be useful it would function a lot like a ghostbuster trap
Before voice command, there was cards or keypads.
Do chefs still exist?
I want to locate and raid a kitchen somewhere
I forgot season 1 Tilly wasn't fat.
Would someone explain tng and tos to me
TOS = the old series (Kirk and Spock)
TNG = the next generation (Picard and Riker)
Further proof that Discovery takes place in an alternate universe from the pre 2017 shows and movies.
I'd like a big juicy burger with melted cheese and crispy bacon on it, make it hot. Make it 2 of those. Thanks.
Food synthesizers were easier than matter replicatiors
The replicators are like US food
Nothing is THAT bad!
The standing around and displaying pointless tech to fill time really bothers me. It's not even supposed to be more advanced than the original. I get it, the original tech is goofy, but they can still simplify theirs or not focus on it at all. But that would require actually interesting dialogue and plot.
Not sure why discovery is putting focus on the computer speaking. Literally never needed to do it in the past.
Like the uniform for instance, the tray opening would be more than enough to inform us it was finished. Why the hell did we need "uniform synthesis complete"?!
To be fair.....
In TOS they were not replicators. They explained that the card would just bring it up from the kitchen.
they put money in cgi the process of how they make clothes in discovery....well it they arent in the John Wick Dog shit use of cg but tv shows and movies are getting even closer.
Discovery happens like 200 years after TOS
Be silent, fool, for you know not what you speak of.
They're congruent (w Spock and Pike on Enterprise in) 2254, Disco starting 2255 to 2259, and TOS mission from 2265 to 2269 (to 2293 w/ Enterprise A movies) .
3:12 Bruh first that dum dum thinks a 1936 car is a hovercar now thinks that Entreprise crew didnt have replicators.
I personally think all Discovery's problems are easily solved by putting Discovery oh I dunno, after Nemesis (and not being super progressive and having better writers). Uniforms would need some slight change and maybe some other designs but other than that discovery would actually work technologically and would fit snug in the timeline.
Yeah,Discovery looks more futuristic than TNG.
In Enterprise, don't they have basic food synthesizers? (I think at least the Vulcans [or Vulcanians if you're a real Trekker] did, which would've been shared after the formation of the Federation)
And, given the canonical information that states that the Enterprise is an older ship, it's evident that it's running older technology than the newer ships like the Discovery. If we choose to pursue that well-respected tradition of fan-speculation, it's not unreasonable to suggest that the power systems might not be able to accommodate the standard uniform fabricators and food synthesizers.
The Discovery and Cabot are decades newer than the Starship-class Enterprise, and would therefore have updated tech.
Additionally, Janeway said they didn't have replicators, which could simply mean the transition from food synthesizer to a replicator was just that much of an improvement in the flavor and texture fidelity. Who knows, it may have been like the transition from holo-projectors (STE/ENT, STT/TAS, STD/DSC) to holodecks (STT/TNG, STV/VOY, STD/DS9), and happened shortly before The Next Generation.
I get this channel's whole shtick is mocking Discovery for any and all perceived violations of the holy and always coherent whole of prior Star Treks, but this, like several other videos, is flagrant in its disregard of other instances of continuity and reasonable assumptions.
food synthesizer is fancy way of saying turn mush into what looks like food. Enterprise NX-01 was a brand new ship.
Look how technology’s advancing now. No way we have punch card shit in the 2260s in addition to starships. Y’all seriously calm down.
There's plenty of things on Discovery to complain about, but IMO, using floppy disks to order food would've been really goofy in a 2010s tv show, especially now that we have Siri and Alexa IRL. Of course, the magic mushroom drive and the holograms are fair game
Not all of them are Replicators though ...
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
The Discovery writers never had any care for the franchise.
I love Ensign Tilly's "you're dead to me" look 😍
The frequent continuity errors aren't even the biggest reason why I'll be deep in the cold cold ground before I acknowledge Discovery as canon.
Theory to reconcile DISCO and TOS: 23rd century food synthesizers have two options, you could speak to the computer and select a predetermined menu item, or you could create your own personal recipes and keep them on “flavour cards”. DISCO and TAS mainly used voice menu selections but TOS preferred to use personal cards.
In the same way holographic communications were ripped out of the Enterprise at the end of season 2 Discovery, maybe the replicators were taken off the main computer grid to prevent a Control-like AI cooking up all sorts of nasties in them.
Star Trek Discovery in not cannon, and is total shit.
Me looking at the 2020 presidential ballot, "But they're both white."
"Well that was your unpleasant surprise."
Well hello racist
The Original Series is the best. It's so simple.
I am gonna remind you that discovery is a much newer ship than enterprise.
Cool
This seems to be more of a TOS had no continuity with itself on how food worked so needs to be ignored situation. (With the exception of the Kim and Janeway conversation. That is a legit plot hole for Discovery)
The thing at 0:10 is not a replicator.
1:08
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TOS had food dispensers not food replicators, the food dispensers were advanced dumb waiters. There's even a scene where Kirk was ordering the chef over the ship's intercom to make mock turkey for a holiday. The food synthesizers were in the kitchen with TOS and only made ingredients for the chef to prepare. Now in TOS, there was a scene where chicken soup was served from one of three food dispensers in a transporter room although there was no counter or table to eat at in the transporter room. Though, I'm sure nothing was intended by showing food dispensers in the transporter room, the rationalization of low quality transporter technology being used by the food dispensers and the three dispensers being for diagnostics by the transporter technicians would explain the existence of the dispensers in the transporter room. Note there was only one transporter room scene which showed food dispensers in TOS.
Also, the food dispensers in TOS were shown in the mess hall/rec area except for the one transporter room scene. If we look at what was happening during the 1960's, it would be reasonable to assume that the food dispensers were like the automats common during the 50's and 60's and on the other side of that wall was a room of attendants filling the dispensers with the ordered food that had been delivered from the kitchen. Even if they had food dispensers in low traffic areas, there would still be non-transporter methods such as the advanced vending machines that we see in Japan, the food could still be just delivered in bulk from the kitchen. We didn't see anything about food replicators till TNG and everything in TOS not only shows the concept had not occurred to the writers but that there was kitchens and the food was just somehow delivered to those food dispensers by people and or technology. We did hear about food synthesizers in TOS presumably to make ingredients to prepare and Enterprise introduced us to protein sequencers/synthesizers, it wasn't till Discovery and Strange New Worlds that the writers broke the lore.
So the special effects got better. That's not a continuity contradiction.
The only contractions are with that abortion of a show discovery where they didn't even try to stay true to Trek.
it was true enough.
Discovery was it's own thing. It's own ship. A whole OTHER adventure
Get over it...
For a modern series promoting diversity i sure see a lot of similar looking humans in nutrek
So you're saying Discovery continuity is rubbish because they haven't dumbed themselves DOWN to the low budget effects of a 1960s TV show?! It would look laughable if they did that. You'll be complaining that Discovery's captain isn't writing on a electronic clipboard 12 inches thick next. Get a grip people we have iPads now and it's only 2020.
No, the problem isn’t that the effects were upgraded, the problem is the utter replacement of established continuity. The replicators should’ve at least used a card system like in TOS or made the replicator sound and not the voice used.
@@hendrikbaas8918 Yet the original series takes place from 2265 to 2268.
It's done by replicating and then 3D Printing the products D.N.A. today we are already able to replicate Human Skin Tissue and some human organs as well as Human Ears on a 3D Printer machines as well as such complicated metal things as whole rocket engines and engine parts in fact we even now almost replicate anything on a 3D Printer machine.
discovery is trying to erase T.o.s from the timeline. In previous iterations of Star Trek, Spock had never mentioned a sister.
Discovery is not canon. Simple
The Discovery is a leap ahead in technology, compared to the Enterprise and other ships of that period. It's got the latest in technology that will eventually be added to the rest of the Starfleet but it's, scuse the pun, The Next Generation in technology. The Enterprise is CRT and the Discovery is LCD...
Discovery isn't set in the Prime timeline, it is in its own timeline, thus it cannot contradict TOS.
even the animated series seems bearable by comparison to STD and STP and Sh*t-Treks
Honestly, both are bad
@@kenpoarniceguy1 no denying that from what i saw of the animated series
Who cares. TOS is too old
Discovery was Garbage. May one day we see another Trek that is actually made by fans.
Food slots... Synthesizers resequensers are not replicators
I'm not watching that STD garbage.
It's not that bad. I just watched it as if it was set in an alternative reality and got quite in to it, after the first few eps.
I watched the first season, and got a few episodes into the second. You made the right call.